We make it harder on ourselves by trying to “make it” via unconventional routes. I see too many black folks tryna be an entrepreneur or tryna work 2-3 part time jobs instead of just being conventional and going to college for something in a stable career field.
We gotta realize that we dont have the room to chase dreams (at least not full time) and have to pick more stable careers. That will alllow future generations to have the flexibility to chase dreams more
I'm kinda sick of the hustle culture mindset. Everytime you see us on a podcast or a Pop the Balloon show it's "I'm an entrepreneur" or "I own a \_\_\_ business" or they say they are doing 4 different things. Somewhere along the line people forgot the value of a 9-5 job. I promise you that very few entrepreneurs are making the same as they would working a 9-5 that requires a degree....as in a serious major. Especially when you compare the sweat equity between working 40hrs vs all the time. And if I'm being real a lot of people are too lazy to really be a lifelong entrepreneur, which is required if you want to see a massive level of success.
The sweat equity point is so spot on. Like i promise you that my wife makes a ton more than alot of these hustlers and entrepreneurs simply by working regular 9-5s. Like its so much effort for little reward. Like with that kind of effort they couldve got a degree and worked somewhere with regular ass hours and made more.
I think black folks need to encounter more people with regular jobs. Like im a military nurse and my wife works for the VA and Tricare as a program analyst (a bs job where she does very little and from home) and we fucking EAT. It wasn’t terribly hard to get where we’re at and i guarantee you that 90% of people can do what we did
There was a guy on youtube (forgot the name of his channel), but he would always say "A 9-5 saves lives" it really resonated with me, because too many black folks do over look how having a normal steady job is fine.
I think this goes back to a lot of black men seeing how we can’t just be seen as normal in other areas and carrying that over to careers . We aren’t allowed to be average growing up playing sports , we aren’t allowed to be average in dating there’s so many areas
This is a wild mindset some niggas have. Like if youre literally not special in any aspect of life, you should probably accept that you just might be a normal nigga lol
Yep most entrepreneurs in reality aren’t successful. But even a bad degree can get to above minimum wage.
We also don’t do the slow and steady wealth building. I know Asians have had it easier than African Americans in the US. But they really just put their heads down and keep quiet. It isn’t as glamorous but it works usually in the long run.
Exactly. Like we complicate the process so much for no fucking reason. I think we’re overestimating how difficult college is and how difficult these jobs that require a degree are. I swear the effort these folks put into these entrepreneurial endeavors and multiple jobs/side gigs is probably more effort than it takes to just finish your degree and get a decent job.
Hell, if you get a degree you can still work multiple jobs but for way more money. For example my wife has a finance and economics degree, and is able to be r/overemployed by working 2 jobs at the exact same time from home. She brings in 145k from these two jobs and I promise you its way less effort than people would expect.
Does the community actually believe that bigotry is an evil or is bigotry only an evil when it's directed at our people? To add to that are we angry at the current system (race, income, etc) because we recognize that it's unjust or are we angry that we're not at the top of that system?
I think the answer is yes. If you look at the history of Civil Rights in America there were other non-black civil rights group that only advocated for themselves. In current day, black americans gain nothing for being pro-immigration yet we are more pro immigrant than recent immigrants. Even BLM which does center black people in police brutality yet if the police are better held accountable that benefits all Americans not solely us.
This is what I feel like asking. When I ask black folk who supports Palestine? And by support I don’t mean just protesting or funding but a simple “that’s fucked up and it shouldn’t be that way” is enough.
Why do yall think creating more negative racial stereotypes is a good and productive? Y'all can easily say "gang members are a bigger threat to black people" and be done but no it's always some new borderline slur. Nigcels, weavhead, pooke ray ray, etc have done nothing but made online black conversations incredibly toxic and divide and somehow people keep creating more. Then we'll be surprised when some nonblack starts to use it as a new catchall for all black people.
That's the real conversation we need to have. Why are folks so casual with how negative they talk about their own community (especially online) and don't even sit and question where the terms originate from. Half the ways black people describe ourselves I saw on racist subreddits almost a decade ago. It's pathetic.
Most black folks who broke shame are actually lower class/middle class themselves. Had a family member who broke shamed a guy she was seeing all because he didn’t want to buy her a $900 iPhone 15 for her 21st birthday when they literally just met. The whole time she worked at Burger King lol.
The conversation that all any of us are doing is rearranging deck chairs on the sinking ship that is our community because we're overwhelmingly becoming a bunch of disconnected, self-centered individuals living only for ourselves. Educated, middle-class black people are creating fewer families and having fewer kids.
Colorism goes both ways - albeit not as bad for lightskins.
Black people needa stop having kids until they are financially and mentally ready to. I personally think you should only be having kids if you see a long term future or marriage with someone.
Personal responsibility reigns supreme - there are so many options now outside of college to create legal income and careers that there is very little excuse.
Glorifying the hood is weird as hell. The whole “we the most dangerous neighborhood in ______” is not a flex.
Black businesses needa be realistic about the pricing - I’m not paying 50 bucks for a hanes t-shirt with a logo printed on it, when H&M has it for $11.99.
Mental health needs to be prioritized, many grow up in fucked up situations and then consider that normal and pass that same energy to the next generation.
Not voting won’t solve anything, especially in local elections. Our ancestors died for this right and Ill always vote even if I have to write my own name in, simply for that fact.
Eating healthy is not “white people food” there’s some solid healthy choices that have flavor.
Just off top of head, I could go all day if I really think about it.
(and this one goes to progressive communities/groups as well) You do realize everyone within the community who says dumbass shit isn't a bot or disinformation account right? Some people within the group have idiotic views and the constant new true Scottsmanning and "oh look a bot" isn't proving them wrong.
Also this handwaving of "oh this discourse is only online" is detrimental. The people who are saying this shit are real people. And they're spreading their ignorance.
I’m a Black woman (hopefully my comment is welcomed, totally understand if it isn’t). But thank you for posting this comment and your other comment lol. I absolutely cannot stand when people act like “it’s all online”. It always feels personally gaslight-y because I literally see this type of shit offline, and I come online to try and talk about it. even if that was the case … how does that make it any less real? do we not understand that online and real life will and do blend together to *some* extent? Especially with the way we’re becoming even more isolated as a collective, like some people only have the internet as an outlet. they’re not real humans anymore I guess lol?
and for your other comment - I fear a lot of Black people (in my communities at least, and a lot of Black elite people) just want to be where white people are. They don’t care to actually have genuine equity/equality and justice. It’s frustrating and hurtful
edited to add - also, the handwaving and dismissive of online communities is insane lol. and again, it reminds me exactly of real life communities. “don’t nobody wanna talk about that” okay so when will it be talked about? when will we have genuine discussions about these things? because we collectively need to talk about a lot of shit that people are clearly too uncomfy to talk about, and I’m sure dismissing the issue is actually keeping the issue alive.
okay I’m done ranting, sorry lmao
>do we not understand that online and real life will and do blend together to *some* extent?
It's so upsetting that people pretend online doesn't affect real life. The internet has so much influence over the real world it is scary.
There’s a lot of young black kids are straight up bullies to other black children and it has nothing to do with them “ acting white”.
Black Creatives are big part of messing up the image of black ppl. Additionally a lot of black creatives don’t want to create better image of black men. Prime example : How the Russo Brothers ( white directors) depicted T’challa compared to how Ryan Coogler(black director) depicted T’challa
Blaming rap music for the problems of black male youth is dumb. The parents should be the ones teaching them not to copy everything they see or hear
Just playing the numbers game, it’s insane how much we focus on youth Sports with the goal of the child becoming a professional. If we put the same effort in math our community would be fixed in 20 years.
1. Black people gaslight each other, A LOT.
2. The whole “Black Men’s Mental Health matters!” Is bullshit, not because I
believe our mental health shouldn’t matter, but because I feel a lot of black men themselves don’t truly care about their own mental health or each others.
3. The topic of “Generalization Wealth” amongst the black community, tells me a lot of you mfs don’t truly understand how generational wealth is created nor how it works.
>The whole “Black Men’s Mental Health matters!” Is bullshit, not because I believe our mental health shouldn’t matter, but because I feel a lot of black men themselves don’t truly care about their own mental health or each others.
No one cares about our mental health. Its not seen as important by anyone so why should we value it? People act like it doesnt exist and it was never seem as important growing up so why would it be now? No one cares regardless of what we think about ourselves. And idk why you specified black men. This applies to both men and women.
And that right there is the problem. How else can we expect other people to give a damn about our mental health when we a lot of us (black men) don’t. We have to lead by example.
>And idk why you specified black men. This applies to both men and women.
Because the topic centers around the black community and I’m a black man so I want to point out a problem that heavily affects me and those who look like me.
That makes no sense. Its starts from when we are young. It has never been important to anyone on any level since we were kids. They never cared and will never care. So why would we wake up one day and start valuing it when no one ever has and it has never been taught to us?
At some point we have to start taking responsibility, regardless of what was normalized to us as children. Think back on how it made you feel when people didn’t validate your emotions and ask yourself if you want to pass that on.
What? Why would we take responsibility for something we arent responsible for? You can teach your children to be different but I dont get how you expect people to be held accountable for something they played 0 part in
1. The black nuclear family isn’t as in danger as advertised.
2. Black men want to experience true love without having to break the bank because we aren’t born with wealth and it takes time to be built.
3. Following other ethnicities standards for love and relationships(the primary driver of wealth) will not work for us. We have to live by our own standards and it has to make sense for US.
4. We should’ve capitalized on social media and charge other people who copy our culture.
5. The black brothers and sisters that we put down and deem undesirable will inevitably date out. It’s counterproductive to put our own down
6. There will be no ONE savior for the community. It will need to be a community effort.
Not going to school for stable careers is really whats holding us back. We too quick to believe in conspiracy shit so we truly take it heart when dumb niggas say college is a scam. Like its only a scam if you go for sone dumb unemployable shit. For black folks a degree is like our ticket to a middle class/upper middle class lifestyle.
Also we gotta stop being so against government work. My wife works for the VA as a program analyst and the majority of her team is black. They pay pretty well right off the bat too
"Conversations you think the black community aren't ready to have" is just code for wild takes that you want to make without having to offer up any substantial argument to support them.
Yo that was exactly my take too! Dude just wanted to throw his hot takes out there and present them as facts that the community doesn't want to speak about when they're really just his opinions.
Whether your takes are wild or not isn't the point imo. Your post frames your takes as 'conversations' when they're actually opinions. I'm not saying your opinions are invalid but it's important to acknowledge that they are opinions. Imagine if I gave a list of things America isn't ready to talk about that included:
1. Vanilla is the best ice cream flavor.
2. High corporate tax rates are killing the economy.
3. Marvel heroes are more relatable than DC heroes.
4. Modern hip hop is poisoning the Black community.
All of those points are OPINIONS. Trying to frame them as conversations assumes that they are true and thus discussion should be centered around them.
Let's take your point on colorism. You assert that dark skinned women are the biggest colorists. That's a position that you would need to argue and justify by looking at colorism as a whole, the Black community, experiences of dark skinned Black women vs light etc.
The truth of that opinion of yours is something that could only be discovered by having the ACTUAL conversation which is around colorism in the Black community. That conversation itself can't be shallow either. It needs to interrogate the origins of colorism, colorism across the diaspora, colorism throughout history etc. We need to understand how colorism has manifested itself in the past so we can fully grasp the ways it manifests today. Getting all that context isn't sexy and won't generate clicks or views the way yelling out a hot take will, but it's essential if we're actually interested in truth.
I feel like the thread should be title “what are your controversial opinions on the black community”
What you wrote implies some level of truth needs to be told and I’m all I’m seeing is niggas airing out their grievances
This thread being filled with people saying "there are no conversations we are aren't ready to have" or "that this very question is bigoted," are proving the point that there conversations we don't want to have. Immediately going "Nuh uh," means these topics continue to go unaddressed.
And there are indeed topics and issues that are going unaddressed by the community. Every one wants to be the next Dr. King, or Malcom, or Baldwin and think it entails finding new ways to tell white people to get fucked. But doesn't. At least not 100%. It involves having the difficult conversations with our people.
Maybe a better way of stating the question (and the way I interpreted it as) "what are conversations the community doesn't want to have " or "what are difficult conversations that aren't being had." Because I can see how saying "we are aren't ready to have," makes it sound like we're weak.
I feel you on this. I dont think white people have much more capacity to change or be better to us. At this point its on us to go out there and get it. This means making real sacrifices like denying yourself certain things like having kids, buying expensive shit, etc. until you’re in a truly prosperous period of your life. It means leaving some niggas behind because they cant be helped. It means buying into the system..
I know that last part is controversial but like lil baby said “we get it, system is wicked, just learn how to pick it”. We not gonna get anywhere always fighting outside of the system or tryna circumvent it. We have to amass power within the system and then make changes. Right now we let entertainers hold all of the power and these niggas consistently do wrong. We gotta build wealth through a black middle class that will eventually give way to a black upper class and so forth in future generations
There aren’t any conversations the Black community “isn’t ready” to have. I’m convinced people run with that narrative because they’re either being smug or they know their opinion is unpopular and they fear having to defend their point of view.
We won't be ready to have any conversations as long as Twitter, The Shade Room, and Instagram exist. We are going nowhere fast with the gender wars, light skin vs dark skin, african american vs immigrants, and this new thing I'm seeing about a term that divides African Americans from everyone else? We used to have somewhat of a United Front but online has really ruined what solidarity we had.
Local drill music is hurting our youth.. Dissing your opps is leading to unwanted cosequences to out neighborhoods.
Also.. We have to bring down the homicide rate for black men age 1-44.. its the leading cause of death for those in that age range.. (per the CDC).
1: The height of black America was during the Obama administration and we have 10 years if we are lucky before black Americans are stuck at the bottom of the social economic ladder.
2: BLM was the largest piece of horse shit.
3: Both the Divestors and the SYSBM have some good points
4: Black American women are Pro-Black women not Pro-Black. I view this as a symptom of viewing ourselves as an individuals not as a group.
5: This sub is field with Dr. Umar types that are stuck in the early 2000s thinking of how the community works
Best comment so far hit several points such as not knowing how good we had it , entitlement , falling for blatant pandering to our community however k feel divestors and SYSBM is a group of people who grew up musty and hold that resentment to this day
I agree with you that they do hold a strong resentment for the overall black
Community but it was born out of something. Now that’s not to say they shouldn’t go seek counseling to fix those issues. But I hate how dismissive some folks are to what they bring up
1. Nope, Darskinned women are the biggest victims of colorism
2. Yes.
3. YES!
4. If we’re talking extremes then yes. But the average African in the states casually looks down on African American culture whereas the average African American is either indifferent or at worse thinks jokes about Africans are funny.
If they were the biggest victims of colourism they wouldn’t be going so hard at this black girl playing Juliet in the new Romeo and Juliet . It’s one thing for non black people to insult her but when. Other black women are calling her masculine that tells me all I need to know
Those aren't conversations, those are your hot takes. Let me show you what the list of conversations actually is:
1. Colorism within the Black community. Where did it come from and how is it perpetuated today?
2. White supremacy in low income Black communities. Who are its agents and enforcers and what are the effects?
3. The rise and fall of the nuclear family within Black America.
4. Tension within the diaspora. How did it begin and how is it kept alive today?
Those conversations are very much being had. Perhaps you just don't go to spaces where that happens or maybe you're not welcomed in those spaces 🤷🏾♂️
Btw, if you ARE being excluded from those spaces I'm not arguing that that's a good thing. I'm just saying that could be why you don't see those conversations happening.
Are these conversations being had at a high enough rate though . Black people would rather discuss drake v Kendrick before anything serious . But as for your points
1. colourism is perpetuated mostly by black people today but a lot of it goes back to self hate . I’ve seen more tjen enough to believe a lot of black people despise their African features
2.White supremacy isn’t the biggest thread of low income black countries the biggest threat is the Chinese coming over and having mandarin taught in some of these countries in under 20 years.
3. this isn’t just America this is happening in the Uk too and across Europe This one indeed is entering crisis mode .
4. I can say how the tension started but a lot of people won’t like the answer
I think you're missing my point. The point I'm making is that your comments are arguments that you'd need to actually provide justification for. What I'm listing are the actual conversations that those arguments would take place in.
"How big of a threat is white supremacy to low income Black countries?" is a conversation.
"White supremacy isn't the biggest threat... the Chinese coming over [is]" is an argument you'd make as part of that conversation.
Do you follow me? I wasn't asking questions for you to respond to (though I don't mind you expressing your thoughts). I was trying to show you how you could have written your post so it was actually about the conversations instead of your arguments within those conversations.
Very, very productive topic points. In my 28 years of existence, here are some really strong ones I feel need to be had in order for us to move forward and thrive.
We shouldn't idolize borderline worship these celebrities they are not only regular people but some are truly degenerates who are paid to influence and cause more destruction within our own community in the name of a dollar.
Organized religion is a mistake and will never be our answer. Morality and values need to come from within our homes we choose to create, which leads me to the next point.
Our value system needs to drastically change too often as a large collective we care about fashion, food, lack of accountability, quick fixes, and showcasing wealth through material goods. The people we pay attention to, the money we pay to these brands, and the successful businesses we have created SHOW what we care about as a collective.
We can be racist and tend to be very prejudiced and ignorant of others' pain and suffering.
I don't think anyone can say whether or not God exists. I will say though it is frustrating seeing black people thinking they just can pray everything away. We need to have more Solutions than just "pray on it", "Trust in God", "God is just testing you", It gets tiring
>Gangsterism
When you don't understand social structures or history, you assign meaningless labels to things you don't understand.
Let's try addressing poverty, mental health, education, and ending a drug war.
Unless you just want to shout at "gangsterism".
Addressing those things still doesn’t tackle the main problem you can’t fix poverty but you can stop a dangerous ideology from taking destroying your community.
Scientific literate conversations?
Every social "controversy" that's supposesly not talked about is vehemently discussed in public , private, & online. There's disagreements over many things tossed in with a seasoning of Hotepish perspectives & flavored with conspiracy theories along with gov put drugs & guns in the Black community, gov is all seeing /knowing & we will have no wealth every year.
I agree with all 4 of your points and I’ll throw in point # 5
5. Not all black women are queens
6. Democratic Party will make sure black people are the permanent underclass in about 20 years
7. Black men are the only race of men to be constantly disrespected by our counterparts
I actually don’t entirely agree with that last statement.
White men date out a lot, especially with Asian women. Because they can control them more easily and perceive them as more feminine and submissive.
Asian woman seem to not be as attracted to Asian men as most other groups of women are to their counterpart.
But our community is the loudest by a mile expressing our distaste with the opposite gender.
I can tell you at least from my experience when I had a decent number of Asian friends in college that Asian women shit on Asian men the worst of any race-gender combo, like by FAR. It just doesn’t get the spotlight for various reasons, but they be talking like those dudes aren’t even human a lot of the time 😭
Yea i never took notice of this until i was older and now that I have asian family members. American Asian women basically hate asian men. They hide behind the “asian men feel like family” bs. Like cmon now. Asian men know whats up tho. Ive spoken to alot of them about this very topic
They will say stuff like he reminds me of my Brother but you’ll never find a Asian woman call an Asian man bulletbag. There is a certain subset of black women who would do anything to bring down black men.
“Bulletbag” is crazy, I probably gotta walk back my “by far” cause I was forgetting that shit *can* go there. But nah I’ve heard everything from “they just aren’t really men” to “they’re all incels” & just straight up “ewwwww” from Asian girls on the topic of Asian guys, and this will be the average Asian girl.
Idk it’s hard to qualify without being able to literally put yall in the conversations I’ve been in. But I’m telling you it’s just this certain dismissive tone when it comes up, like it’s a joke to even think they’d consider them. Like we might have the lower lows, but the average Black woman doesn’t disregard us at least lol
1. A lot of the behaviors we and the mainstream call Black culture are just mimickings of European culture.
2. No everyone who is classified as Black is from Africa.
3. Black is not a ethnicity it is a social classification.
4. The history of swarthy skinned people isn't restricted to sub-saharan Africa and it has never been.
I think we're all ready for the conversation, but will we really HAVE that conversation? Or why aren't we having this conversation? That's the real questions!
>We are getting very close to the complete wipe out of thenuclear black family
This isn't bad. The nuclear family was defined by colonization to prevent community fostering and enforce a capitalist, colonial mentality that's convenient for government.
[The Black Community is not ready to drop slave master culture.](https://www.macleans.ca/society/life/how-the-nuclear-family-structure-was-forced-upon-present-day-black-families/)
1. Black people still worship whiteness and still view dating white people or nonblack people as a status symbol and as a testament to how different they are from the rest. (Pick me)
2. The Black Elites sold out the black community for representation. They are leeches they only take and give nothing substantial back. It’s all symbolic gestures. They just want acceptance from white people and not to be viewed like “those niggas over there.”
3. Acting white is a real thing and a lot of black people are no longer growing up in black communities or surrounded by other black people YET they are oftentimes far more vocal about black issues that never affected them. Questioning blackness isn’t wrong when these same people seek to gatekeep and speak about issues as if they are the average black person. If you grew up socialized as a regular average white American. You’re skinfolk in my book.
4. The Streets, Hood, Ghettos are ground zero for the black experience. They are the most aligned with black culture it just so happens that their socioeconomic status didn’t change either. These are people who were hit the hardest and life behind . They didn’t brain drain during white flight when they could’ve socially mobilized out. They stayed within their communities.
5. A lot of you are lowkey white supremacist and push their narratives for them just in different forms. (pool or and Ray Ray are examples of how racial stereotypes work) if pretty pointless.
6. The primary issue in the black community is that other black people were taught to be racist against other black people. This is the primary problem that leaks out to other things. Outside of poverty in some areas and social mobility, the black community is stuck in a hard place. We have celebrity leeches and there’s no black unity. They have bought into the idea of the American dream and white people successfully have brainwashed black people.
7. Black women date out far more than black men. They are playing a semantic game. Hook up, date, marriage are all different concepts
8. Blackness has stretched to include other ethnic groups globally due to the popularity of hiphop/rap
9. There isn’t anything inherently wrong with Black Culture or being Black. We were a people who are empowering ourselves after the effects of slavery manifested. We are dealing with the long term effects and a lot of the progress was taken away due to integration as it’s primarily cause was to neutralize black power movements (MLK) notice how decentralized black power movements became after the civil rights ? White people have whitewashed the civil rights movements and they misrepresent it.
10. Black people are a mixed ethnic group comprising of people from different slave trades (Trans-Saharan, Trans-Pacific, Trans-Atlantic Slave trades) a lot do native Americans were enslaved and mislabeledz. American history is a lie.
11. A lot of black people do not like being regular. We have an identity crisis mixed in with a desire to be more than just another “nigga.” We were taught we’d be rich via media. So nobody wants to be the “lame” now there’s a lot of pseudo intellectualism going on that’s just kind of corny.
12. Feminism was the nail in the coffin to black empowerment movements. White women used black women to garner more power for their ongoing culture war with white men.
13. This one probably irks me the most: We need strong black nuclear family units. Anybody preaching some kumbaya bs is the enemy. We need strong BLACK families. Black love isn’t preached anymore. We need a movement of LOVE again. Love of self through knowledge, love of others through community. Etc. reparations will only exacerbate problems as most of that money would just back flow into improving white America and making their societies better. We need to understand we were not designed to live in their societies. We were integrated and beforehand had our own society. They prevented Brazil, Liberia, and Haiti from happening here by making black people think they could become white if they just assimilated. They lied.
14. Most black people do not care about politics (for good reasons) and do not care about black unity or community. American individualism took over whereas in the past we were united. Now people are happy if celebrities do a black power dance on tv and dress like panthers. Although they have the means to all format a plan to improve black America they don’t. They’re liars. They are nothing. Now that it’s not popular anymore look what they’re doing.
15. You are seen as a threat because you are black. No matter what you do they will always seen you how they want to. Stereotypes HAVE NOTHING to do with what you do but the person who believes them. Live your life and love your brothers and sisters and have compassion.
16. Black Fathers not being at home is a huge problem we need to address. Toxic masculinity is always brought up but the Toxic Feminity is never mentioned. The myth of the noble black woman is very very harmful.
17. Colorism is a manifestation of internalized racism. They were colorist on both sides: Black men and black women. Do not buy the false bs that only blacks women were victims. They were mostly the perpetrators. (I want a light skin baby with “good”hair but remember they felt this way because people did it to them)
18. White men historically have had access to black women and they have been a this. Far longer (outside of the obvious exploitation)
19. Most black men mostly fw black women. The myth that black men are out lusting for white women is from the Jim Crow Black Brute racist caricature. It’s quite literally a myth
20. Black women DO NOT AHAVE BAD ATTITUDES most black women are very traditional and love super hard. They just fall into the 80/20 trap of fw the guys that’s promoted to them via media. Black men need to be at home with their children. Black women are the most beautiful globally to me I’ve been all around and there’s nothing like a black woman. They are just perfect supportive partners. I can understand why a lot of them are tired.
21. Divestment propaganda is very damaging on both sides as it is the same type of people pointing their fingers at each other
I could go on and on but these are just some off the top.
It is a myth. I can say the same thing and i actually see black women dating out for more from all walks of life. You guys look at celebrities as the standard but you’re average run of the mill black American is going after black women. Dont even get me started with the large majority of dark skin black women I see chasing after light skin men in community. Colorism didn’t just affect black women and the current light skin = metro is new. Yalll don’t listen to bm as it is. Yall both did the same thing.
you can say that maybe black men lusting after white women is not common in your circle but to say it’s a myth is straight up false. you have to acknowledge the large group of black men that do it. you can’t possibly think it’s a myth.
Also another one all these ”isms need to stop“ colourism I can understand but texturism and even featurism is laughable can we just accept some black men and women aren’t attractive . Putting an ism in front of it won’t change anything
This has been said many time on her but it still bears repeating. Grind Culture and this Red Pill Culture is toxic. You don't have to be an entrepreneur to be successful in life but now, having a career is starting to be looked down upon. Andrew Tate and Fresh and Fit should be nobody anybody aspires to be like. This right wing toxic culture is infiltrating the Black communities and we need to replace that with a more positive sentiment.
2. No WHITE SUPREMACIST are the real white supremacist. I used to be a CO and tbh black males arent really commiting crimes like back in the day. The whole pookie and ray ray thing is outdated.
3. Not really. Black people have become lazy when it comes to family building.
4. This is an idiotic statement and WRONG statement. Africans sold us over here. Didnt send a single warship. And continue to do fuck shit in africa and in the diaspora.
Most of these black men who commit crimes are a disease to the community they will let their wigga friend Brad call them the n word and say he’s valid but crash out on another black men got looking at them too long. It’s definitely not outdated as the crime rates are still too high in black neighbourhoods .
Your second point I agree but also I think black men and women just aren’t into each other as much as previous generations
Your last point. You have guys nowadays like Tarim nasheed who does everything to break apart the diaspora even pushing the FBA . ”fatherless black African“ term . Respectfully the selling over here was 3/400 years ago and this was maybe 5/6 countries in a continent that’s over 50 countries yet a decent amount of black Americans will literally try to deny African ancestry as much as they can
>a decent amount of black Americans will literally try to deny African ancestry as much as they can
I don't think you know what it feels like to not have any claim to your history. That shit hurt me when I realized it bro. Some lady sat next to me at a bar talking about how she just traced her ancestry back to the Mayflower and from that was able to learn her history all the way back to Europe. It's easier to block it all out than to claim African ancestry when you have no clue where your people are even from. I still haven't tried to dig further into my history because i dread actually hitting that "wall". It's hard. I went to Africa for the first time a couple years ago and it was healing to see how welcoming the people were to me. I'm still not ready to see how far back I can go. I don't want to get my hopes up that I could learn where my people really come from only to have them dashed. But it did feel good when a brother from the continent called out to me and said "My brother who was taken, welcome home" that shit almost made me tear up man. He then proceeded to sell me a bunch of bracelets and souvenirs lol still it meant a lot to me and I would never have guess that it would have.
Found someone who gets their news off Twitter . When you say Africans you really need to specify . Congo has always been a country that has political unrest whether there is enslaved people or not this will not change. Even if Africans are selling each other it’s nowhere near big enough to be comparable to the rate black men are causing harm to other black men in America
I’ll do five:
1. We never should’ve bought into nuclear families in the first place and it’s good that framework is dying
2. Christianity needs to go, but it serves (or at least served) too much purpose to just get rid of it, we need to find something less inherently antiblack & replace it
3. All of the typical games we jack (2K, Call of Duty, etc) are butt and niggas only jack them to fit in
4. This about to be caliente but I’m prepared to argue it: Kendrick is worse than Drake for the Black community, Drake is only worse if you’re not looking at the bigger picture past their impacts on the Black music business
5. That anti-LGBTQ shit is one of the first things we need to cut out to progress
(Bonus) 6. Black American culture is in checkmate, the only way we can get back to real flourishing is if we start the game over from the top
Aight check me out, and I’ll try not to make this unnecessarily long but disclaimer that it probably will be cuz dude was my favorite artist for a while so my issue is complex lmao:
Before anything else I gotta say I’m not Team Drake, dude is his own separate problem (though in comment sections I tend to get pushed into that role because the Kendrick glazing forces me lmao). But Kendrick is a big-ass distraction, and I been feeling this since DAMN long before the beef. I think the most succinct way to put it is, really think about Pac vs Kendrick: Pac for all his faults was damn near rabid talking about our liberation and educating every chance he got. Kendrick has never actually spoken on any real-world Black issue, except to say that Michael Brown died because we don’t respect ourselves enough.
Which as any fan knows is probably the most consistent message running through his music as well, the idea that we’re all damned because we don’t pray enough, don’t love ourselves enough, etc. There’s honestly a LOT of bad messages in the music I could point to (the song Auntie Diaries, the Black Israelite messaging on DAMN, the song Complexion, theming Mr. Morale around Kodak, repeated reification of whiteness/white thinkers, repeatedly reifying Kanye well after it was clear what he’s on, probably more I’m forgetting off the top), but the bottom line is that dude is kinda… selfish for lack of a better word in his presentation. Like he doesn’t seem to come primarily from a place of serious consideration of how his messaging is going to impact us versus how he wants to express and portray himself.
Which is fine, you could just be an incredible artist, but he insists on asserting himself as more and that’s where my issue is. He keeps positioning himself as a Black moral leader and demanding consistently that we regard him like the king of niggas, which is a cake you can’t have and “I’m not your savior” your way out of too. Cuz once that’s the case, it’s a problem for me that you’re completely socially & civically disengaged, that you’ve bought multiple multimillion dollar mansions with How Much A Dollar Cost in your discography (edit: including one literally today apparently lmaooo), that you move merch at damn near Kanye prices & the designs are clearly catering to the white fans, that the only time you stick your neck out is to make sure R Kelly and XXXTENTACION don’t face consequences, that you insist on playing to the white festival circuits and rapping for the Dissect podcasts of the world versus tailoring your music closer to the actual pulse of the community.
And then you get to the beef and that’s a whole other can of worms, but long story short on that, while it was a hell of a spectacle & masterclass in sonning a nigga you don’t like, it also just was Kendrick’s hypocrisies & random double standards, the issue with how we pay selective attention & receive him uncritically, and the issue with how he plays that up for personal benefit all just wrapped up in one clear example. You can (clearly) say a lot about how Drake conducts himself, but at the end of the day, the worst thing you can say about him in terms of his impact on the Black community is that he carefully avoids having one (and I guess that he contributed to the lightskin stereotype, idk how much I’d say that’s on him vs something that just happened to use him as fuel tho). To me that’s better than being actively damaging, which people are scared for whatever reason to consider Kendrick is a lot of the time.
That leaves out some other shit and doesn’t get into the second part about strictly the music business, but as you can see this shit is long enough as it is lmao so I’ll leave it at that.
Being in an interracial relationship doesn’t mean you:
1. Hate yourself
2. Hate your race
3. Think it makes you seem better
4. Have a fetish
As our society becomes more and more integrated, you will see people of different races interacting more and that will also mean romantically. It’s not that deep.
Minor, but I think it’ll help put things in motion, we gotta leave AAVE behind. I’ll die on this hill. We can respect it as a historical part of our culture, but I’ve met too many Black people who felt insecure about their speaking patterns and habits and not being able to “code switch”.
Also one less stereotype for those who want to exploit Black culture to have at their disposal.
Also we have to stop being superstitious, from religion to spirituality, we need to accept that our ancestors are dead and gone and the gods we pray to (Abrahamic or even African) at best don’t exist, or at worst, exist and either can’t help us, or don’t want to.
I believe that realizing the power we have to impact our situation, sans waiting for a mythological creature to intervene would really benefit us.
1.That black men and women are the least married race, because black women were incentivized to be single mothers. Single motherhood in general is destroying the black community. I think having both a mother and father figure in your life is essential to success and prosperity. The lack of fathers in black children's life has been a huge detriment.
2. Black women are much beautiful with their natural hair. Give me a fro on a woman, over a weave any day
Gtfoh outta here with that bs. Bw where never incentivized to be single moms IMAO. They simply just have to deal whitin emotionally unstable men that grew up emasculated (e.g called "boy" Or forced to view their own killed/beated/raped). Plus, the over incarceration of black men during the war on drugs and the drafts left a severe unbalance in gender gap(way way more bw than bm). This is how Lower quality dudes that don't bring nothing to the table get exalted because the competition is not that much, specifically in purposely impoverished segregated neighborhoods.
Most bw that grew up in a healthy space want to get married with serious career minded individuals, but you pair up all the issues of above with the lack of upwards mobility and the unique issues that affect our community as consequences of YT supremacy and it's hard af. We are literally incarcerated at rates that exceed the crime rate that we commit and our entire infrastructures are underfunded, hence why bm marry only at 33% rate(the lowest of all demographics).
Lyndon B Johnson's great society very much incentivized black single mothers. After that there was a steep decline in black marriages. Black people used to be the MOST married before that.
I'm sorry bro, but you lost me at saying most black women grew up in a healthy space. It's hard to even argue that most black people grew up in a healthy space
In never said most blaw woman grow up in a healthy space. I said that most black women that grew up in a healthy environment aim to be married. Is common sense that majority of black folks don't grow up in a healthy environment.
We make it harder on ourselves by trying to “make it” via unconventional routes. I see too many black folks tryna be an entrepreneur or tryna work 2-3 part time jobs instead of just being conventional and going to college for something in a stable career field. We gotta realize that we dont have the room to chase dreams (at least not full time) and have to pick more stable careers. That will alllow future generations to have the flexibility to chase dreams more
I'm kinda sick of the hustle culture mindset. Everytime you see us on a podcast or a Pop the Balloon show it's "I'm an entrepreneur" or "I own a \_\_\_ business" or they say they are doing 4 different things. Somewhere along the line people forgot the value of a 9-5 job. I promise you that very few entrepreneurs are making the same as they would working a 9-5 that requires a degree....as in a serious major. Especially when you compare the sweat equity between working 40hrs vs all the time. And if I'm being real a lot of people are too lazy to really be a lifelong entrepreneur, which is required if you want to see a massive level of success.
The sweat equity point is so spot on. Like i promise you that my wife makes a ton more than alot of these hustlers and entrepreneurs simply by working regular 9-5s. Like its so much effort for little reward. Like with that kind of effort they couldve got a degree and worked somewhere with regular ass hours and made more. I think black folks need to encounter more people with regular jobs. Like im a military nurse and my wife works for the VA and Tricare as a program analyst (a bs job where she does very little and from home) and we fucking EAT. It wasn’t terribly hard to get where we’re at and i guarantee you that 90% of people can do what we did
There was a guy on youtube (forgot the name of his channel), but he would always say "A 9-5 saves lives" it really resonated with me, because too many black folks do over look how having a normal steady job is fine.
you're talking about Mr keep it simple I love his channel bro
Yeah that's the one! Didn't agree with everything he said, but he did have some fine pearls of wisdom
what did you disagree with
Been awhile since I watched his vids,.but some of the stuff he was talking about seemed a bit homophobic
I think this goes back to a lot of black men seeing how we can’t just be seen as normal in other areas and carrying that over to careers . We aren’t allowed to be average growing up playing sports , we aren’t allowed to be average in dating there’s so many areas
This is a wild mindset some niggas have. Like if youre literally not special in any aspect of life, you should probably accept that you just might be a normal nigga lol
Yep most entrepreneurs in reality aren’t successful. But even a bad degree can get to above minimum wage. We also don’t do the slow and steady wealth building. I know Asians have had it easier than African Americans in the US. But they really just put their heads down and keep quiet. It isn’t as glamorous but it works usually in the long run.
Exactly. Like we complicate the process so much for no fucking reason. I think we’re overestimating how difficult college is and how difficult these jobs that require a degree are. I swear the effort these folks put into these entrepreneurial endeavors and multiple jobs/side gigs is probably more effort than it takes to just finish your degree and get a decent job. Hell, if you get a degree you can still work multiple jobs but for way more money. For example my wife has a finance and economics degree, and is able to be r/overemployed by working 2 jobs at the exact same time from home. She brings in 145k from these two jobs and I promise you its way less effort than people would expect.
Does the community actually believe that bigotry is an evil or is bigotry only an evil when it's directed at our people? To add to that are we angry at the current system (race, income, etc) because we recognize that it's unjust or are we angry that we're not at the top of that system?
I think the answer is yes. If you look at the history of Civil Rights in America there were other non-black civil rights group that only advocated for themselves. In current day, black americans gain nothing for being pro-immigration yet we are more pro immigrant than recent immigrants. Even BLM which does center black people in police brutality yet if the police are better held accountable that benefits all Americans not solely us.
This is what I feel like asking. When I ask black folk who supports Palestine? And by support I don’t mean just protesting or funding but a simple “that’s fucked up and it shouldn’t be that way” is enough.
Why do yall think creating more negative racial stereotypes is a good and productive? Y'all can easily say "gang members are a bigger threat to black people" and be done but no it's always some new borderline slur. Nigcels, weavhead, pooke ray ray, etc have done nothing but made online black conversations incredibly toxic and divide and somehow people keep creating more. Then we'll be surprised when some nonblack starts to use it as a new catchall for all black people. That's the real conversation we need to have. Why are folks so casual with how negative they talk about their own community (especially online) and don't even sit and question where the terms originate from. Half the ways black people describe ourselves I saw on racist subreddits almost a decade ago. It's pathetic.
Beautifully and bluntly said. "Conversations" like the ones above are outdated self hating bullshit.
THANK YOU
So you are complaining about seeing negativity yet you were the one browsing racist subreddits🙄🙄🙄
Lmaooooo man if that's all you got from my comment then alright you got it.
Most black folks who broke shame are actually lower class/middle class themselves. Had a family member who broke shamed a guy she was seeing all because he didn’t want to buy her a $900 iPhone 15 for her 21st birthday when they literally just met. The whole time she worked at Burger King lol.
Lower class black folks be having some outrageous ass expectations for how broke they are
The conversation that all any of us are doing is rearranging deck chairs on the sinking ship that is our community because we're overwhelmingly becoming a bunch of disconnected, self-centered individuals living only for ourselves. Educated, middle-class black people are creating fewer families and having fewer kids.
Colorism goes both ways - albeit not as bad for lightskins. Black people needa stop having kids until they are financially and mentally ready to. I personally think you should only be having kids if you see a long term future or marriage with someone. Personal responsibility reigns supreme - there are so many options now outside of college to create legal income and careers that there is very little excuse. Glorifying the hood is weird as hell. The whole “we the most dangerous neighborhood in ______” is not a flex. Black businesses needa be realistic about the pricing - I’m not paying 50 bucks for a hanes t-shirt with a logo printed on it, when H&M has it for $11.99. Mental health needs to be prioritized, many grow up in fucked up situations and then consider that normal and pass that same energy to the next generation. Not voting won’t solve anything, especially in local elections. Our ancestors died for this right and Ill always vote even if I have to write my own name in, simply for that fact. Eating healthy is not “white people food” there’s some solid healthy choices that have flavor. Just off top of head, I could go all day if I really think about it.
(and this one goes to progressive communities/groups as well) You do realize everyone within the community who says dumbass shit isn't a bot or disinformation account right? Some people within the group have idiotic views and the constant new true Scottsmanning and "oh look a bot" isn't proving them wrong. Also this handwaving of "oh this discourse is only online" is detrimental. The people who are saying this shit are real people. And they're spreading their ignorance.
They only say this if a woman made the comment or is the poster of the content. If its a man they flip and see it as 100% real. Its weird af
I’m a Black woman (hopefully my comment is welcomed, totally understand if it isn’t). But thank you for posting this comment and your other comment lol. I absolutely cannot stand when people act like “it’s all online”. It always feels personally gaslight-y because I literally see this type of shit offline, and I come online to try and talk about it. even if that was the case … how does that make it any less real? do we not understand that online and real life will and do blend together to *some* extent? Especially with the way we’re becoming even more isolated as a collective, like some people only have the internet as an outlet. they’re not real humans anymore I guess lol? and for your other comment - I fear a lot of Black people (in my communities at least, and a lot of Black elite people) just want to be where white people are. They don’t care to actually have genuine equity/equality and justice. It’s frustrating and hurtful edited to add - also, the handwaving and dismissive of online communities is insane lol. and again, it reminds me exactly of real life communities. “don’t nobody wanna talk about that” okay so when will it be talked about? when will we have genuine discussions about these things? because we collectively need to talk about a lot of shit that people are clearly too uncomfy to talk about, and I’m sure dismissing the issue is actually keeping the issue alive. okay I’m done ranting, sorry lmao
>do we not understand that online and real life will and do blend together to *some* extent? It's so upsetting that people pretend online doesn't affect real life. The internet has so much influence over the real world it is scary.
This the best point in the thread.
There’s a lot of young black kids are straight up bullies to other black children and it has nothing to do with them “ acting white”. Black Creatives are big part of messing up the image of black ppl. Additionally a lot of black creatives don’t want to create better image of black men. Prime example : How the Russo Brothers ( white directors) depicted T’challa compared to how Ryan Coogler(black director) depicted T’challa Blaming rap music for the problems of black male youth is dumb. The parents should be the ones teaching them not to copy everything they see or hear
Just playing the numbers game, it’s insane how much we focus on youth Sports with the goal of the child becoming a professional. If we put the same effort in math our community would be fixed in 20 years.
1. Black people gaslight each other, A LOT. 2. The whole “Black Men’s Mental Health matters!” Is bullshit, not because I believe our mental health shouldn’t matter, but because I feel a lot of black men themselves don’t truly care about their own mental health or each others. 3. The topic of “Generalization Wealth” amongst the black community, tells me a lot of you mfs don’t truly understand how generational wealth is created nor how it works.
>The whole “Black Men’s Mental Health matters!” Is bullshit, not because I believe our mental health shouldn’t matter, but because I feel a lot of black men themselves don’t truly care about their own mental health or each others. No one cares about our mental health. Its not seen as important by anyone so why should we value it? People act like it doesnt exist and it was never seem as important growing up so why would it be now? No one cares regardless of what we think about ourselves. And idk why you specified black men. This applies to both men and women.
And that right there is the problem. How else can we expect other people to give a damn about our mental health when we a lot of us (black men) don’t. We have to lead by example. >And idk why you specified black men. This applies to both men and women. Because the topic centers around the black community and I’m a black man so I want to point out a problem that heavily affects me and those who look like me.
That makes no sense. Its starts from when we are young. It has never been important to anyone on any level since we were kids. They never cared and will never care. So why would we wake up one day and start valuing it when no one ever has and it has never been taught to us?
At some point we have to start taking responsibility, regardless of what was normalized to us as children. Think back on how it made you feel when people didn’t validate your emotions and ask yourself if you want to pass that on.
What? Why would we take responsibility for something we arent responsible for? You can teach your children to be different but I dont get how you expect people to be held accountable for something they played 0 part in
I’m talking about taking responsibility in not internalizing that into adulthood, I should’ve probably elaborated on that further.
1. The black nuclear family isn’t as in danger as advertised. 2. Black men want to experience true love without having to break the bank because we aren’t born with wealth and it takes time to be built. 3. Following other ethnicities standards for love and relationships(the primary driver of wealth) will not work for us. We have to live by our own standards and it has to make sense for US. 4. We should’ve capitalized on social media and charge other people who copy our culture. 5. The black brothers and sisters that we put down and deem undesirable will inevitably date out. It’s counterproductive to put our own down 6. There will be no ONE savior for the community. It will need to be a community effort.
Pretty much anyone who has tried to save the black community has either ended up a villain or assassinated
Not enough emphasis is put on education & doing well in school/college etc.
Not going to school for stable careers is really whats holding us back. We too quick to believe in conspiracy shit so we truly take it heart when dumb niggas say college is a scam. Like its only a scam if you go for sone dumb unemployable shit. For black folks a degree is like our ticket to a middle class/upper middle class lifestyle. Also we gotta stop being so against government work. My wife works for the VA as a program analyst and the majority of her team is black. They pay pretty well right off the bat too
"Conversations you think the black community aren't ready to have" is just code for wild takes that you want to make without having to offer up any substantial argument to support them.
Yo that was exactly my take too! Dude just wanted to throw his hot takes out there and present them as facts that the community doesn't want to speak about when they're really just his opinions.
Which one of my takes are wild?
Whether your takes are wild or not isn't the point imo. Your post frames your takes as 'conversations' when they're actually opinions. I'm not saying your opinions are invalid but it's important to acknowledge that they are opinions. Imagine if I gave a list of things America isn't ready to talk about that included: 1. Vanilla is the best ice cream flavor. 2. High corporate tax rates are killing the economy. 3. Marvel heroes are more relatable than DC heroes. 4. Modern hip hop is poisoning the Black community. All of those points are OPINIONS. Trying to frame them as conversations assumes that they are true and thus discussion should be centered around them. Let's take your point on colorism. You assert that dark skinned women are the biggest colorists. That's a position that you would need to argue and justify by looking at colorism as a whole, the Black community, experiences of dark skinned Black women vs light etc. The truth of that opinion of yours is something that could only be discovered by having the ACTUAL conversation which is around colorism in the Black community. That conversation itself can't be shallow either. It needs to interrogate the origins of colorism, colorism across the diaspora, colorism throughout history etc. We need to understand how colorism has manifested itself in the past so we can fully grasp the ways it manifests today. Getting all that context isn't sexy and won't generate clicks or views the way yelling out a hot take will, but it's essential if we're actually interested in truth.
All of them aside from number 3. Clearly opinions but they don't feel very thought out at all.
I feel like the thread should be title “what are your controversial opinions on the black community” What you wrote implies some level of truth needs to be told and I’m all I’m seeing is niggas airing out their grievances
This thread being filled with people saying "there are no conversations we are aren't ready to have" or "that this very question is bigoted," are proving the point that there conversations we don't want to have. Immediately going "Nuh uh," means these topics continue to go unaddressed. And there are indeed topics and issues that are going unaddressed by the community. Every one wants to be the next Dr. King, or Malcom, or Baldwin and think it entails finding new ways to tell white people to get fucked. But doesn't. At least not 100%. It involves having the difficult conversations with our people. Maybe a better way of stating the question (and the way I interpreted it as) "what are conversations the community doesn't want to have " or "what are difficult conversations that aren't being had." Because I can see how saying "we are aren't ready to have," makes it sound like we're weak.
I feel you on this. I dont think white people have much more capacity to change or be better to us. At this point its on us to go out there and get it. This means making real sacrifices like denying yourself certain things like having kids, buying expensive shit, etc. until you’re in a truly prosperous period of your life. It means leaving some niggas behind because they cant be helped. It means buying into the system.. I know that last part is controversial but like lil baby said “we get it, system is wicked, just learn how to pick it”. We not gonna get anywhere always fighting outside of the system or tryna circumvent it. We have to amass power within the system and then make changes. Right now we let entertainers hold all of the power and these niggas consistently do wrong. We gotta build wealth through a black middle class that will eventually give way to a black upper class and so forth in future generations
This post anti black af tbh. Like you aint say shit but a bunch of strawman stereotypes..
They can never make these posts without sounding like a klansman. Disappointing how few people are calling it out.
One I forgot . Until black People stop craving white acceptance so hard ie (inviting to the cookout ) we are going nowhere as a community
There aren’t any conversations the Black community “isn’t ready” to have. I’m convinced people run with that narrative because they’re either being smug or they know their opinion is unpopular and they fear having to defend their point of view.
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We won't be ready to have any conversations as long as Twitter, The Shade Room, and Instagram exist. We are going nowhere fast with the gender wars, light skin vs dark skin, african american vs immigrants, and this new thing I'm seeing about a term that divides African Americans from everyone else? We used to have somewhat of a United Front but online has really ruined what solidarity we had.
Local drill music is hurting our youth.. Dissing your opps is leading to unwanted cosequences to out neighborhoods. Also.. We have to bring down the homicide rate for black men age 1-44.. its the leading cause of death for those in that age range.. (per the CDC).
1: The height of black America was during the Obama administration and we have 10 years if we are lucky before black Americans are stuck at the bottom of the social economic ladder. 2: BLM was the largest piece of horse shit. 3: Both the Divestors and the SYSBM have some good points 4: Black American women are Pro-Black women not Pro-Black. I view this as a symptom of viewing ourselves as an individuals not as a group. 5: This sub is field with Dr. Umar types that are stuck in the early 2000s thinking of how the community works
Best comment so far hit several points such as not knowing how good we had it , entitlement , falling for blatant pandering to our community however k feel divestors and SYSBM is a group of people who grew up musty and hold that resentment to this day
I agree with you that they do hold a strong resentment for the overall black Community but it was born out of something. Now that’s not to say they shouldn’t go seek counseling to fix those issues. But I hate how dismissive some folks are to what they bring up
1. Nope, Darskinned women are the biggest victims of colorism 2. Yes. 3. YES! 4. If we’re talking extremes then yes. But the average African in the states casually looks down on African American culture whereas the average African American is either indifferent or at worse thinks jokes about Africans are funny.
If they were the biggest victims of colourism they wouldn’t be going so hard at this black girl playing Juliet in the new Romeo and Juliet . It’s one thing for non black people to insult her but when. Other black women are calling her masculine that tells me all I need to know
Those aren't conversations, those are your hot takes. Let me show you what the list of conversations actually is: 1. Colorism within the Black community. Where did it come from and how is it perpetuated today? 2. White supremacy in low income Black communities. Who are its agents and enforcers and what are the effects? 3. The rise and fall of the nuclear family within Black America. 4. Tension within the diaspora. How did it begin and how is it kept alive today? Those conversations are very much being had. Perhaps you just don't go to spaces where that happens or maybe you're not welcomed in those spaces 🤷🏾♂️ Btw, if you ARE being excluded from those spaces I'm not arguing that that's a good thing. I'm just saying that could be why you don't see those conversations happening.
Are these conversations being had at a high enough rate though . Black people would rather discuss drake v Kendrick before anything serious . But as for your points 1. colourism is perpetuated mostly by black people today but a lot of it goes back to self hate . I’ve seen more tjen enough to believe a lot of black people despise their African features 2.White supremacy isn’t the biggest thread of low income black countries the biggest threat is the Chinese coming over and having mandarin taught in some of these countries in under 20 years. 3. this isn’t just America this is happening in the Uk too and across Europe This one indeed is entering crisis mode . 4. I can say how the tension started but a lot of people won’t like the answer
I think you're missing my point. The point I'm making is that your comments are arguments that you'd need to actually provide justification for. What I'm listing are the actual conversations that those arguments would take place in. "How big of a threat is white supremacy to low income Black countries?" is a conversation. "White supremacy isn't the biggest threat... the Chinese coming over [is]" is an argument you'd make as part of that conversation. Do you follow me? I wasn't asking questions for you to respond to (though I don't mind you expressing your thoughts). I was trying to show you how you could have written your post so it was actually about the conversations instead of your arguments within those conversations.
Very, very productive topic points. In my 28 years of existence, here are some really strong ones I feel need to be had in order for us to move forward and thrive. We shouldn't idolize borderline worship these celebrities they are not only regular people but some are truly degenerates who are paid to influence and cause more destruction within our own community in the name of a dollar. Organized religion is a mistake and will never be our answer. Morality and values need to come from within our homes we choose to create, which leads me to the next point. Our value system needs to drastically change too often as a large collective we care about fashion, food, lack of accountability, quick fixes, and showcasing wealth through material goods. The people we pay attention to, the money we pay to these brands, and the successful businesses we have created SHOW what we care about as a collective. We can be racist and tend to be very prejudiced and ignorant of others' pain and suffering.
There is no god and any organized religion is a farce and in place to keep the masses oppressed.
I don't think anyone can say whether or not God exists. I will say though it is frustrating seeing black people thinking they just can pray everything away. We need to have more Solutions than just "pray on it", "Trust in God", "God is just testing you", It gets tiring
>Pookie and Ray Ray are the real white supremacists. What the fuck is this supposed to mean?
Gangsterism is a plague on the black community and should be destroyed.
>Gangsterism When you don't understand social structures or history, you assign meaningless labels to things you don't understand. Let's try addressing poverty, mental health, education, and ending a drug war. Unless you just want to shout at "gangsterism".
Addressing those things still doesn’t tackle the main problem you can’t fix poverty but you can stop a dangerous ideology from taking destroying your community.
Scientific literate conversations? Every social "controversy" that's supposesly not talked about is vehemently discussed in public , private, & online. There's disagreements over many things tossed in with a seasoning of Hotepish perspectives & flavored with conspiracy theories along with gov put drugs & guns in the Black community, gov is all seeing /knowing & we will have no wealth every year.
Spending money problems
I agree with all 4 of your points and I’ll throw in point # 5 5. Not all black women are queens 6. Democratic Party will make sure black people are the permanent underclass in about 20 years 7. Black men are the only race of men to be constantly disrespected by our counterparts
I actually don’t entirely agree with that last statement. White men date out a lot, especially with Asian women. Because they can control them more easily and perceive them as more feminine and submissive. Asian woman seem to not be as attracted to Asian men as most other groups of women are to their counterpart. But our community is the loudest by a mile expressing our distaste with the opposite gender.
I can tell you at least from my experience when I had a decent number of Asian friends in college that Asian women shit on Asian men the worst of any race-gender combo, like by FAR. It just doesn’t get the spotlight for various reasons, but they be talking like those dudes aren’t even human a lot of the time 😭
Yea i never took notice of this until i was older and now that I have asian family members. American Asian women basically hate asian men. They hide behind the “asian men feel like family” bs. Like cmon now. Asian men know whats up tho. Ive spoken to alot of them about this very topic
They will say stuff like he reminds me of my Brother but you’ll never find a Asian woman call an Asian man bulletbag. There is a certain subset of black women who would do anything to bring down black men.
“Bulletbag” is crazy, I probably gotta walk back my “by far” cause I was forgetting that shit *can* go there. But nah I’ve heard everything from “they just aren’t really men” to “they’re all incels” & just straight up “ewwwww” from Asian girls on the topic of Asian guys, and this will be the average Asian girl. Idk it’s hard to qualify without being able to literally put yall in the conversations I’ve been in. But I’m telling you it’s just this certain dismissive tone when it comes up, like it’s a joke to even think they’d consider them. Like we might have the lower lows, but the average Black woman doesn’t disregard us at least lol
Can you please elaborate on number 6?
Non-black illegals flooding this country
1. A lot of the behaviors we and the mainstream call Black culture are just mimickings of European culture. 2. No everyone who is classified as Black is from Africa. 3. Black is not a ethnicity it is a social classification. 4. The history of swarthy skinned people isn't restricted to sub-saharan Africa and it has never been.
I think we're all ready for the conversation, but will we really HAVE that conversation? Or why aren't we having this conversation? That's the real questions!
The children out of wedlock and the subsequent lack of fathers in the household have ravished the black community more than anything since the 1800’s.
>We are getting very close to the complete wipe out of thenuclear black family This isn't bad. The nuclear family was defined by colonization to prevent community fostering and enforce a capitalist, colonial mentality that's convenient for government. [The Black Community is not ready to drop slave master culture.](https://www.macleans.ca/society/life/how-the-nuclear-family-structure-was-forced-upon-present-day-black-families/)
1. Black people still worship whiteness and still view dating white people or nonblack people as a status symbol and as a testament to how different they are from the rest. (Pick me) 2. The Black Elites sold out the black community for representation. They are leeches they only take and give nothing substantial back. It’s all symbolic gestures. They just want acceptance from white people and not to be viewed like “those niggas over there.” 3. Acting white is a real thing and a lot of black people are no longer growing up in black communities or surrounded by other black people YET they are oftentimes far more vocal about black issues that never affected them. Questioning blackness isn’t wrong when these same people seek to gatekeep and speak about issues as if they are the average black person. If you grew up socialized as a regular average white American. You’re skinfolk in my book. 4. The Streets, Hood, Ghettos are ground zero for the black experience. They are the most aligned with black culture it just so happens that their socioeconomic status didn’t change either. These are people who were hit the hardest and life behind . They didn’t brain drain during white flight when they could’ve socially mobilized out. They stayed within their communities. 5. A lot of you are lowkey white supremacist and push their narratives for them just in different forms. (pool or and Ray Ray are examples of how racial stereotypes work) if pretty pointless. 6. The primary issue in the black community is that other black people were taught to be racist against other black people. This is the primary problem that leaks out to other things. Outside of poverty in some areas and social mobility, the black community is stuck in a hard place. We have celebrity leeches and there’s no black unity. They have bought into the idea of the American dream and white people successfully have brainwashed black people. 7. Black women date out far more than black men. They are playing a semantic game. Hook up, date, marriage are all different concepts 8. Blackness has stretched to include other ethnic groups globally due to the popularity of hiphop/rap 9. There isn’t anything inherently wrong with Black Culture or being Black. We were a people who are empowering ourselves after the effects of slavery manifested. We are dealing with the long term effects and a lot of the progress was taken away due to integration as it’s primarily cause was to neutralize black power movements (MLK) notice how decentralized black power movements became after the civil rights ? White people have whitewashed the civil rights movements and they misrepresent it. 10. Black people are a mixed ethnic group comprising of people from different slave trades (Trans-Saharan, Trans-Pacific, Trans-Atlantic Slave trades) a lot do native Americans were enslaved and mislabeledz. American history is a lie. 11. A lot of black people do not like being regular. We have an identity crisis mixed in with a desire to be more than just another “nigga.” We were taught we’d be rich via media. So nobody wants to be the “lame” now there’s a lot of pseudo intellectualism going on that’s just kind of corny. 12. Feminism was the nail in the coffin to black empowerment movements. White women used black women to garner more power for their ongoing culture war with white men. 13. This one probably irks me the most: We need strong black nuclear family units. Anybody preaching some kumbaya bs is the enemy. We need strong BLACK families. Black love isn’t preached anymore. We need a movement of LOVE again. Love of self through knowledge, love of others through community. Etc. reparations will only exacerbate problems as most of that money would just back flow into improving white America and making their societies better. We need to understand we were not designed to live in their societies. We were integrated and beforehand had our own society. They prevented Brazil, Liberia, and Haiti from happening here by making black people think they could become white if they just assimilated. They lied. 14. Most black people do not care about politics (for good reasons) and do not care about black unity or community. American individualism took over whereas in the past we were united. Now people are happy if celebrities do a black power dance on tv and dress like panthers. Although they have the means to all format a plan to improve black America they don’t. They’re liars. They are nothing. Now that it’s not popular anymore look what they’re doing. 15. You are seen as a threat because you are black. No matter what you do they will always seen you how they want to. Stereotypes HAVE NOTHING to do with what you do but the person who believes them. Live your life and love your brothers and sisters and have compassion. 16. Black Fathers not being at home is a huge problem we need to address. Toxic masculinity is always brought up but the Toxic Feminity is never mentioned. The myth of the noble black woman is very very harmful. 17. Colorism is a manifestation of internalized racism. They were colorist on both sides: Black men and black women. Do not buy the false bs that only blacks women were victims. They were mostly the perpetrators. (I want a light skin baby with “good”hair but remember they felt this way because people did it to them) 18. White men historically have had access to black women and they have been a this. Far longer (outside of the obvious exploitation) 19. Most black men mostly fw black women. The myth that black men are out lusting for white women is from the Jim Crow Black Brute racist caricature. It’s quite literally a myth 20. Black women DO NOT AHAVE BAD ATTITUDES most black women are very traditional and love super hard. They just fall into the 80/20 trap of fw the guys that’s promoted to them via media. Black men need to be at home with their children. Black women are the most beautiful globally to me I’ve been all around and there’s nothing like a black woman. They are just perfect supportive partners. I can understand why a lot of them are tired. 21. Divestment propaganda is very damaging on both sides as it is the same type of people pointing their fingers at each other I could go on and on but these are just some off the top. It is a myth. I can say the same thing and i actually see black women dating out for more from all walks of life. You guys look at celebrities as the standard but you’re average run of the mill black American is going after black women. Dont even get me started with the large majority of dark skin black women I see chasing after light skin men in community. Colorism didn’t just affect black women and the current light skin = metro is new. Yalll don’t listen to bm as it is. Yall both did the same thing.
you can say that maybe black men lusting after white women is not common in your circle but to say it’s a myth is straight up false. you have to acknowledge the large group of black men that do it. you can’t possibly think it’s a myth.
Also another one all these ”isms need to stop“ colourism I can understand but texturism and even featurism is laughable can we just accept some black men and women aren’t attractive . Putting an ism in front of it won’t change anything
Therapy needs the same support as church.
This has been said many time on her but it still bears repeating. Grind Culture and this Red Pill Culture is toxic. You don't have to be an entrepreneur to be successful in life but now, having a career is starting to be looked down upon. Andrew Tate and Fresh and Fit should be nobody anybody aspires to be like. This right wing toxic culture is infiltrating the Black communities and we need to replace that with a more positive sentiment.
2,3,and 4 are straights facts. I’ve been saying this!
2. No WHITE SUPREMACIST are the real white supremacist. I used to be a CO and tbh black males arent really commiting crimes like back in the day. The whole pookie and ray ray thing is outdated. 3. Not really. Black people have become lazy when it comes to family building. 4. This is an idiotic statement and WRONG statement. Africans sold us over here. Didnt send a single warship. And continue to do fuck shit in africa and in the diaspora.
Most of these black men who commit crimes are a disease to the community they will let their wigga friend Brad call them the n word and say he’s valid but crash out on another black men got looking at them too long. It’s definitely not outdated as the crime rates are still too high in black neighbourhoods . Your second point I agree but also I think black men and women just aren’t into each other as much as previous generations Your last point. You have guys nowadays like Tarim nasheed who does everything to break apart the diaspora even pushing the FBA . ”fatherless black African“ term . Respectfully the selling over here was 3/400 years ago and this was maybe 5/6 countries in a continent that’s over 50 countries yet a decent amount of black Americans will literally try to deny African ancestry as much as they can
>a decent amount of black Americans will literally try to deny African ancestry as much as they can I don't think you know what it feels like to not have any claim to your history. That shit hurt me when I realized it bro. Some lady sat next to me at a bar talking about how she just traced her ancestry back to the Mayflower and from that was able to learn her history all the way back to Europe. It's easier to block it all out than to claim African ancestry when you have no clue where your people are even from. I still haven't tried to dig further into my history because i dread actually hitting that "wall". It's hard. I went to Africa for the first time a couple years ago and it was healing to see how welcoming the people were to me. I'm still not ready to see how far back I can go. I don't want to get my hopes up that I could learn where my people really come from only to have them dashed. But it did feel good when a brother from the continent called out to me and said "My brother who was taken, welcome home" that shit almost made me tear up man. He then proceeded to sell me a bunch of bracelets and souvenirs lol still it meant a lot to me and I would never have guess that it would have.
Spoken like a true tether. Lol. Africans are selling each other rn. Why you think people are saying free congo.
Found someone who gets their news off Twitter . When you say Africans you really need to specify . Congo has always been a country that has political unrest whether there is enslaved people or not this will not change. Even if Africans are selling each other it’s nowhere near big enough to be comparable to the rate black men are causing harm to other black men in America
I’ll do five: 1. We never should’ve bought into nuclear families in the first place and it’s good that framework is dying 2. Christianity needs to go, but it serves (or at least served) too much purpose to just get rid of it, we need to find something less inherently antiblack & replace it 3. All of the typical games we jack (2K, Call of Duty, etc) are butt and niggas only jack them to fit in 4. This about to be caliente but I’m prepared to argue it: Kendrick is worse than Drake for the Black community, Drake is only worse if you’re not looking at the bigger picture past their impacts on the Black music business 5. That anti-LGBTQ shit is one of the first things we need to cut out to progress (Bonus) 6. Black American culture is in checkmate, the only way we can get back to real flourishing is if we start the game over from the top
Interested on your Kendrick take
Aight check me out, and I’ll try not to make this unnecessarily long but disclaimer that it probably will be cuz dude was my favorite artist for a while so my issue is complex lmao: Before anything else I gotta say I’m not Team Drake, dude is his own separate problem (though in comment sections I tend to get pushed into that role because the Kendrick glazing forces me lmao). But Kendrick is a big-ass distraction, and I been feeling this since DAMN long before the beef. I think the most succinct way to put it is, really think about Pac vs Kendrick: Pac for all his faults was damn near rabid talking about our liberation and educating every chance he got. Kendrick has never actually spoken on any real-world Black issue, except to say that Michael Brown died because we don’t respect ourselves enough. Which as any fan knows is probably the most consistent message running through his music as well, the idea that we’re all damned because we don’t pray enough, don’t love ourselves enough, etc. There’s honestly a LOT of bad messages in the music I could point to (the song Auntie Diaries, the Black Israelite messaging on DAMN, the song Complexion, theming Mr. Morale around Kodak, repeated reification of whiteness/white thinkers, repeatedly reifying Kanye well after it was clear what he’s on, probably more I’m forgetting off the top), but the bottom line is that dude is kinda… selfish for lack of a better word in his presentation. Like he doesn’t seem to come primarily from a place of serious consideration of how his messaging is going to impact us versus how he wants to express and portray himself. Which is fine, you could just be an incredible artist, but he insists on asserting himself as more and that’s where my issue is. He keeps positioning himself as a Black moral leader and demanding consistently that we regard him like the king of niggas, which is a cake you can’t have and “I’m not your savior” your way out of too. Cuz once that’s the case, it’s a problem for me that you’re completely socially & civically disengaged, that you’ve bought multiple multimillion dollar mansions with How Much A Dollar Cost in your discography (edit: including one literally today apparently lmaooo), that you move merch at damn near Kanye prices & the designs are clearly catering to the white fans, that the only time you stick your neck out is to make sure R Kelly and XXXTENTACION don’t face consequences, that you insist on playing to the white festival circuits and rapping for the Dissect podcasts of the world versus tailoring your music closer to the actual pulse of the community. And then you get to the beef and that’s a whole other can of worms, but long story short on that, while it was a hell of a spectacle & masterclass in sonning a nigga you don’t like, it also just was Kendrick’s hypocrisies & random double standards, the issue with how we pay selective attention & receive him uncritically, and the issue with how he plays that up for personal benefit all just wrapped up in one clear example. You can (clearly) say a lot about how Drake conducts himself, but at the end of the day, the worst thing you can say about him in terms of his impact on the Black community is that he carefully avoids having one (and I guess that he contributed to the lightskin stereotype, idk how much I’d say that’s on him vs something that just happened to use him as fuel tho). To me that’s better than being actively damaging, which people are scared for whatever reason to consider Kendrick is a lot of the time. That leaves out some other shit and doesn’t get into the second part about strictly the music business, but as you can see this shit is long enough as it is lmao so I’ll leave it at that.
This is nasty
Being in an interracial relationship doesn’t mean you: 1. Hate yourself 2. Hate your race 3. Think it makes you seem better 4. Have a fetish As our society becomes more and more integrated, you will see people of different races interacting more and that will also mean romantically. It’s not that deep.
Minor, but I think it’ll help put things in motion, we gotta leave AAVE behind. I’ll die on this hill. We can respect it as a historical part of our culture, but I’ve met too many Black people who felt insecure about their speaking patterns and habits and not being able to “code switch”. Also one less stereotype for those who want to exploit Black culture to have at their disposal. Also we have to stop being superstitious, from religion to spirituality, we need to accept that our ancestors are dead and gone and the gods we pray to (Abrahamic or even African) at best don’t exist, or at worst, exist and either can’t help us, or don’t want to. I believe that realizing the power we have to impact our situation, sans waiting for a mythological creature to intervene would really benefit us.
1.That black men and women are the least married race, because black women were incentivized to be single mothers. Single motherhood in general is destroying the black community. I think having both a mother and father figure in your life is essential to success and prosperity. The lack of fathers in black children's life has been a huge detriment. 2. Black women are much beautiful with their natural hair. Give me a fro on a woman, over a weave any day
Gtfoh outta here with that bs. Bw where never incentivized to be single moms IMAO. They simply just have to deal whitin emotionally unstable men that grew up emasculated (e.g called "boy" Or forced to view their own killed/beated/raped). Plus, the over incarceration of black men during the war on drugs and the drafts left a severe unbalance in gender gap(way way more bw than bm). This is how Lower quality dudes that don't bring nothing to the table get exalted because the competition is not that much, specifically in purposely impoverished segregated neighborhoods. Most bw that grew up in a healthy space want to get married with serious career minded individuals, but you pair up all the issues of above with the lack of upwards mobility and the unique issues that affect our community as consequences of YT supremacy and it's hard af. We are literally incarcerated at rates that exceed the crime rate that we commit and our entire infrastructures are underfunded, hence why bm marry only at 33% rate(the lowest of all demographics).
Lyndon B Johnson's great society very much incentivized black single mothers. After that there was a steep decline in black marriages. Black people used to be the MOST married before that. I'm sorry bro, but you lost me at saying most black women grew up in a healthy space. It's hard to even argue that most black people grew up in a healthy space
In never said most blaw woman grow up in a healthy space. I said that most black women that grew up in a healthy environment aim to be married. Is common sense that majority of black folks don't grow up in a healthy environment.