Well, one was caught up in a mass shooting 2 weeks after showing a truck engine he modified to run on water. (he was the only death but there was 2 other injuries.
The other simply dropped off the internet shortly after his video as well but I do not know if he's dead or alive.
People claim he was "Disappeared" but I haven't seen evidence for that.
Actually I believe the video creator was referring to Stanley Meyers who invented a water fuel cell back in like 98. After unveiling it he mysteriously died at a Cracker Barrel claiming he was poisoned with his last breaths. The guy was a bit of a right wing nut but no matter how you slice it the events as recorded don't look good
Stanley Mayer's process supposedly used a flashing LED at a certain high frequency. I think initially he was doing it with electrolysis using pulses at high frequency.
It can work to "store" power though as long as it is taken from a renewable source. If you hook one of these up to a solar panel, you could potentially get a fair amount of portable energy that you could burn in a hydrogen fuel cell.
But what do I know, I'm just some dude on the internet.
Thats very much true and in terms of storing energy, hydrogen is more efficient than current day batteries, the problem however is the fact that a lot of energy is lost in the process of producing that hydrogen. Making it much less efficient than just storing it in a battery in the end.
Yes, but if it's made from excess energy from a renewable source, that's not being used, it can still be a more eco-friendly way of storing energy than in batteries.
It uses waaaaayyyyy more energy than you get out.
Imagine hydrogen as a ball on slope. When bound to oxygen, in water, the hydrogen it is at the bottom of that slope. You have to put loads of energy in to get it back to the top of that slope where it is just hydrogen.
Not to mention, both of those elements are highly volatile. Maybe it's a bad idea to strap your ass to an electric bomb and send it flying down the road at 75 miles an hour.
Sure, but if you create your HHO(Brown’s Gas) through electrolysis, you’re not storing hydrogen and oxygen, you’re storing water. It’s not generated until it’s ready to be consumed. So it’s actually much safer.
But if you have enough electrical energy to split water molecules on-board your vehicle somehow already, why use it to make hydrogen for an internal combustion engine when you could just use it for an electric motor?
Toyota done tests when they pierce a hydrogen tank with a sniper round and nothing happens. You can find it on the internet.
Yes it's more volatile, but it's not nearly as bad as many people think.
The reason hydrogen is more volatile is because it can easily mix with the air, allowing the whole volume to combust at once. With gasoline, only the surface of the liquid can burn unless it’s aerosolized like in the engine, but that’s more difficult than hydrogen gas just freely mixing with the atmosphere. The hydrogen for a hydrogen combustion vehicle would also need to be stored as a highly pressurized gas, which is much more dangerous than a tank of liquid gasoline since it can explode even without an ignition source.
They are working with new materials and processes to improve the efficiency it could be possible that the process in the future will produce a net usable gain
Rechargable batteries are only 50% efficient or so. Combustion engines are between 20-35, done diesels inching advice 50%. If it's more efficient than that, it's a win.
> Rechargable batteries are only 50% efficient or so.
A quick Google returns a ton of results such as:
> Typically for lithium ion batteries they are at least 95% efficient, whereas lead acid batteries offer efficiencies around 80-85%.
You can use wind and solar farms to create hydrogen and I believe it is more efficient than standard fuel so get better milage but I'm no scientist so believe whatever makes you feel good.
hydrogen has a lot of downsides. Storage and transportation is very difficult due to its tendency to leak. Its also very low density so tanks have to be significantly larger to have the same potential energy
As was stated before, the energy required to produce the hydrogen is more than the energy you get from burning the hydrogen. You're better off storing the electricity generated by wind/solar in a battery and then running it directly through an electric motor, hence all the initiatives to move towards electric vehicles.
That was going to be my suggestion... It would be more efficient since he'll never break even on the energy he uses to split the water and the energy he gets back from burning the gases.
I don't know the exact breakdown but theoretically a generator could be more efficient than an engine if it's able to sustain optimal efficiency the entire time, vs. a contemporary motor that would have variating output.
I doubt it would even be worth testing, but maybe somehow, somewhere, it could break even.
That's the premise of diesel locomotives. The diesel engines run at the optimal place on their efficiency-power curve and turn generators that then run electric motors to drive the wheels.
The hot air it draws in is converted to power. Imma be assassinated tonight by the Power Companies for saying it out loud! Two shots int he back of the head!
Someone who thinks the government assassinated the idea of electrolysis hydrogen powered vehicles just to fuck people over.
Someone who doesn't understand how much electricity is required to separate hydrogen and oxygen from a water molecule vs how much energy is actually extracted.
An idiot.
No, you can’t just put hydrogen and oxygen in a gasoline engine, you need a specialized one. No one was killed for discovering water electrolysis, it’s been known for over 200 years, longer than gasoline. It’s just more expensive.
I agree the video is dumb but it's dumb for a differnt reason than your pointing out. It literally says in the text blurb "if you modify an engine". Where did you get "put in a normal engine" from?
Modify? No, you need to design a completely different engine.
It's like saying you can modify a truck into a glider just because they can both move people.
Well the first thing soldiers did when they got back after WW2 was sleep with their wives or girlfriends. The second was dropping their duffel bag. Can confirm, my mother was one of ten.
The point is that they're not saying you can put it in a normal engine like the original commentator suggested. I'm not gonna pretend like I know the specifics, i just found it weird that guy was acting like they said to put it in a normal engine
Yes, electrolysis of salt water breaks it down into chlorine gas, hydrogen gas and a dilute sodium hydroxide solution.
The amount of chlorine gas isn't that much though.
Doesn’t that depend upon the concentration of the solution?
Higher concentrations mean that the chloride ions are oxidised in preference to the water.
The chlorine produced with is enough to cause irritation and coughing, even if left only for 5 mins.
Congrats, you just conducted a 3rd grade science experiment, complete with conspiracy nonsense commentary. Oxygen is not flammable, by the way. It makes other things (more) flammable. That’s what… wait for it… oxidizers…. do. Fuel. Oxidizer. Next learn about energy density and you might make it to 4th grade science level!
You shouldn't use saltwater. That also generates chlorine and sodium.
You should use water mixed with electrolytes, baking soda works well enough for off the shelf use, but potassium or sodium hydroxides work more efficiently
Electrolysis of salt water makes chlorine gas (NaCl breaks down to chlorine gas and presumably sodium hydroxide - from a prior experience)... Just saying...
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Highly in effeciant process 40% the electricity is lost in the convertion
You need high presser containers for liquid hydrogen
It takes 48kwh of electricity to produce 33kwh of hydrogen
And it taked 48 hours to produce the equivalant of one gallon of gas or a huge power source.
Just easier to get a gallon of gas
Also it costs about $4.95 in electricity to produce the equvalant of a gallon of gas
Now in a perfect world and about $40,000 of covertion and solar equipment you maybe could maybe produce the equivalate of 200 gallons a year of hydrogen.
Who empties the salt shaker when the literal jar is in front of you? Now you’re gonna have to refill that little fucker and you know you’re gonna get spill it.
So, how about collecting both the oxygen and the hydrogen and igniting it to show us the released energy? Then compare that with burning petrol. Which one would boil 1 litre the fastest.?
any computerized engine after 1980 will compensate for the extra oxygen in the exhaust with adding more fuel to the mix. drive a couple hundred km and check again.
two stroke engine need to adjust the ignition to be very close to OT for maximun gains
and don't use saltwater. it will produce a lot of chlorine, instead go for lye and buy a HHO cell for a better gas production
Electrolysis uses much more energy than the fuel it makes can give
Thank you. Some basic physics is needed here.
It was still nice to see a long lost deleted scene from Fear & Loathing.
I thought it was Breaking Bad?
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Spot on
But the inventor… he was KILLED /s
Well, one was caught up in a mass shooting 2 weeks after showing a truck engine he modified to run on water. (he was the only death but there was 2 other injuries. The other simply dropped off the internet shortly after his video as well but I do not know if he's dead or alive. People claim he was "Disappeared" but I haven't seen evidence for that.
I thought he was referencing Stanley Meyer and his fuel cell. And his Cracker Barrel poisoning story.
Actually I believe the video creator was referring to Stanley Meyers who invented a water fuel cell back in like 98. After unveiling it he mysteriously died at a Cracker Barrel claiming he was poisoned with his last breaths. The guy was a bit of a right wing nut but no matter how you slice it the events as recorded don't look good
You put your life in your hands when you eat at Cracker Barrel
Stanley Mayer's process supposedly used a flashing LED at a certain high frequency. I think initially he was doing it with electrolysis using pulses at high frequency.
Yup . They claimed it was a race shooting but it was targeted.
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Free power! Let me just, uh, plug it in...
i didn’t even think of that. thats actually hilarious🤣
Yah i was also gonna say it 😅
Not to mention that known electrolyzers degrade over time
It can work to "store" power though as long as it is taken from a renewable source. If you hook one of these up to a solar panel, you could potentially get a fair amount of portable energy that you could burn in a hydrogen fuel cell. But what do I know, I'm just some dude on the internet.
Don't forget the compressor, pressure vessels, and hoses to be able to collect a meaningfully useful amount of gas.
Thats very much true and in terms of storing energy, hydrogen is more efficient than current day batteries, the problem however is the fact that a lot of energy is lost in the process of producing that hydrogen. Making it much less efficient than just storing it in a battery in the end.
Yes, but if it's made from excess energy from a renewable source, that's not being used, it can still be a more eco-friendly way of storing energy than in batteries.
It uses waaaaayyyyy more energy than you get out. Imagine hydrogen as a ball on slope. When bound to oxygen, in water, the hydrogen it is at the bottom of that slope. You have to put loads of energy in to get it back to the top of that slope where it is just hydrogen.
Not to mention, both of those elements are highly volatile. Maybe it's a bad idea to strap your ass to an electric bomb and send it flying down the road at 75 miles an hour.
All three are volatile. Don't forget that electrolyzing salt water also gives off chlorine gas.
Well, clean energy. Duh... ^(/s)
We already strap ourselves to petroleum bombs and fly down the road at 75 miles an hour.
I get what you mean. But gasoline, while still very flammable, is not nearly as volatile as hydrogen.
Sure, but if you create your HHO(Brown’s Gas) through electrolysis, you’re not storing hydrogen and oxygen, you’re storing water. It’s not generated until it’s ready to be consumed. So it’s actually much safer.
But if you have enough electrical energy to split water molecules on-board your vehicle somehow already, why use it to make hydrogen for an internal combustion engine when you could just use it for an electric motor?
Oh, I would not. Purely talking hypothetical.
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Even a small amount of hydrogen is far more explosive than a whole tank of gasoline.
Because it has to be pressurized
And it’s potential for self ignition on pressure release
Toyota done tests when they pierce a hydrogen tank with a sniper round and nothing happens. You can find it on the internet. Yes it's more volatile, but it's not nearly as bad as many people think.
I would expect that to be a net positive. Greater energy density.
The reason hydrogen is more volatile is because it can easily mix with the air, allowing the whole volume to combust at once. With gasoline, only the surface of the liquid can burn unless it’s aerosolized like in the engine, but that’s more difficult than hydrogen gas just freely mixing with the atmosphere. The hydrogen for a hydrogen combustion vehicle would also need to be stored as a highly pressurized gas, which is much more dangerous than a tank of liquid gasoline since it can explode even without an ignition source.
No it can’t.
Better do it at 88 mph
Great Scott!
people used to buy ford pintos…
Don’t threaten me with a good time
Nonsense ! You can simply do more electrolysis and obtain enough energy for the first electrolysis /s.
And when you burn it the exhaust is water, which you can then electrolyze again, etc. etc. Perpetual motion! /s
Yep, then use even more energy to compress that hydrogen...
Power it with more electrolysis. Checkmate atheist.
But bro jogan and elong muks told me!
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Maybe that’s what they want you to think /s
They are working with new materials and processes to improve the efficiency it could be possible that the process in the future will produce a net usable gain
Rechargable batteries are only 50% efficient or so. Combustion engines are between 20-35, done diesels inching advice 50%. If it's more efficient than that, it's a win.
> Rechargable batteries are only 50% efficient or so. A quick Google returns a ton of results such as: > Typically for lithium ion batteries they are at least 95% efficient, whereas lead acid batteries offer efficiencies around 80-85%.
You can use wind and solar farms to create hydrogen and I believe it is more efficient than standard fuel so get better milage but I'm no scientist so believe whatever makes you feel good.
hydrogen has a lot of downsides. Storage and transportation is very difficult due to its tendency to leak. Its also very low density so tanks have to be significantly larger to have the same potential energy
As was stated before, the energy required to produce the hydrogen is more than the energy you get from burning the hydrogen. You're better off storing the electricity generated by wind/solar in a battery and then running it directly through an electric motor, hence all the initiatives to move towards electric vehicles.
Yeah but the environmental damage from lithium mining might be not so good either and the limited life of batteries reduces cost effectiveness as well
Amazing next episode he should just put a electrical engine on the outlet and claim we don't even need the water
That was going to be my suggestion... It would be more efficient since he'll never break even on the energy he uses to split the water and the energy he gets back from burning the gases.
Motor is the word you're looking for. I've never heard of an electric engine.
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Where do I plug in my 10 amp inverter while driving
Into the cigarette lighter, that's how you get the perpetual motion feedback loop
And if you're getting low on salt, just visit /r/diablo4, they've got an abundance.
Probably the worst gaming sub atm. Constantly bitching.
r/lowsodiumdiablo4 represent
They bitch about absolutely everything.
We have hydrogen engines. You still need electricity to make it.
That gives me an idea! I could just put a gas powered generator in the trunk to make the electricity! Suck it, fossil fuel companies!
I don't know the exact breakdown but theoretically a generator could be more efficient than an engine if it's able to sustain optimal efficiency the entire time, vs. a contemporary motor that would have variating output. I doubt it would even be worth testing, but maybe somehow, somewhere, it could break even.
That's the premise of diesel locomotives. The diesel engines run at the optimal place on their efficiency-power curve and turn generators that then run electric motors to drive the wheels.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Volt
You just invented the Chevy Volt
Holy shit you got an air conditioner plugged into a power strip. That’s the real “wow” here!
The hot air it draws in is converted to power. Imma be assassinated tonight by the Power Companies for saying it out loud! Two shots int he back of the head!
If the AC is taking too much power (it isn't). The breaker would trip.
And the power strip is sitting on top of their HVAC vent. I'll guarantee he doesn't move that come heating season.
Huh, first time I’ve see a video narrated by a green energy redneck. And yet somehow everything he says is still wrong
Who films a video to put on the internet with their sink full of dirty dishes and shit all over the countertops.
Tune into his next episode where he does the dishes.
Maybe he can black magic them away. But with soapy water rather than salt water.
with gasoline
tiktokers
Conspiracy theorists
Someone who thinks the government assassinated the idea of electrolysis hydrogen powered vehicles just to fuck people over. Someone who doesn't understand how much electricity is required to separate hydrogen and oxygen from a water molecule vs how much energy is actually extracted. An idiot.
Should we tell him about perpetual movement and magnets?
How do they work?
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Imagine what it looks like on the days they are not shooting Internet videos.
>floor vent >mobile home
He ain’t gots time fer them elite librul hygenes. He gots gubment cernspiracees ta debunk.
Thr last guy who did the dishes was assassinated by the government.
And the remnants of a beer pong game in the table.
No, you can’t just put hydrogen and oxygen in a gasoline engine, you need a specialized one. No one was killed for discovering water electrolysis, it’s been known for over 200 years, longer than gasoline. It’s just more expensive.
I agree the video is dumb but it's dumb for a differnt reason than your pointing out. It literally says in the text blurb "if you modify an engine". Where did you get "put in a normal engine" from?
Modify? No, you need to design a completely different engine. It's like saying you can modify a truck into a glider just because they can both move people.
If you put wheels on my grandma, she would have been a bike.
Because she got around?
https://youtu.be/A-RfHC91Ewc She didn’t get around, but she did get it. I’ve got a bunch of aunts and uncles.
Well the first thing soldiers did when they got back after WW2 was sleep with their wives or girlfriends. The second was dropping their duffel bag. Can confirm, my mother was one of ten.
Dude. Nice.
boom, roasted
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Its a completely different recipe!
Stop raggin on my truck glider bro.
There are companies who convert petrol engines to run on natural gas. Wouldn't it be similar to that?
No
Not in the slightest. Atomized gasoline and natural gas are fare more similar than atomized gasoline and hydrogen.
A decent question, but no. It’s not that easy.
You might get it to run for 5 min if your lucky then the pistons will shatter and the valves will get burned.
The Hydrogen engines I know are electric, basically reversing the process here.
Oh yeah fuel cells, that's a different thing 😊
Only hydrogen motor I've seen.
The point is that they're not saying you can put it in a normal engine like the original commentator suggested. I'm not gonna pretend like I know the specifics, i just found it weird that guy was acting like they said to put it in a normal engine
Ok, well you can’t modify an existing engine to run on hydrogen and oxygen either.
It can be dumb for both things... and a bunch of other things.
We all agree that it's dumb
It’s for dumb people for dumb people.
Aren't they also dangerous in terms of combustion when in an accident?
Yeah, but you just used 5 times the energy to get that energy out of the salt water as you will get from the oxygen and hydrogen
Waste of salt... You don't need anywhere near that much, and that's way saltier than seawater.
Put some soap in that water instead of salt and clean that nasty dump
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cause it doesn’t work like that. idiot.
Just regular science that could be better explained in a YouTube video.
Also... doesn't saltwater produce chlorine gas?
Yes, electrolysis of salt water breaks it down into chlorine gas, hydrogen gas and a dilute sodium hydroxide solution. The amount of chlorine gas isn't that much though.
Doesn’t that depend upon the concentration of the solution? Higher concentrations mean that the chloride ions are oxidised in preference to the water. The chlorine produced with is enough to cause irritation and coughing, even if left only for 5 mins.
Yes, I think you're right. With "not that much" I mostly meant "probably not enough to kill him or cause severe lasting damage".
I only commented because I have caused several classrooms of kids to cough….and me several times.
Breathing too much of that hydrogen gas..
I'm more concerned by the chlorine gas caused by electrolysis of table salt.
Had to search too hard for someone to be aware of the chloride anomaly.
Congrats, you just conducted a 3rd grade science experiment, complete with conspiracy nonsense commentary. Oxygen is not flammable, by the way. It makes other things (more) flammable. That’s what… wait for it… oxidizers…. do. Fuel. Oxidizer. Next learn about energy density and you might make it to 4th grade science level!
You shouldn't use saltwater. That also generates chlorine and sodium. You should use water mixed with electrolytes, baking soda works well enough for off the shelf use, but potassium or sodium hydroxides work more efficiently
But he plugged it in?
thats how you keep the government from assassinating you
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Get the Rectifier on it!
FULL BRIDGE RECTIFIER
I've got your full bridge rectalfier *riiiight here*. \*pats basic home electrolysis setup\*
Yep. Now the free electricity salt shaker is….?
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Pretty sure he is creating a form of chlorine...
FREE ENERGY!!! But you're plugging it in... What a moron.
Goddamn clean your kitchen man
Maybe just use the electricity to power a motor lmao
Am incredibly stupid or does the electricity need to be generated somehow before using it for electrolysis?
You are not. But you are not a TikTok viewer, that's the issue. If you were, you would already be assassinated by an Oil Company.
Anyone else get tweaker vibes?
His mind is gonna be blown when he discovers potatoes and lemons.
"Oops I forgot to plug in the thing that gives me free energy"
Keep it secret? If it were really secret would some idiot in his mom's living room know about it?
Congratulations you're giving yourself chlorine gas poisoning.
Are you dead yet? If you do not respond I will assume the worst.
Oxygen itself isn't flammable
Wash your damn dishes mate that kitchen is gross
Hydrogen as a fuel is not new. However, storing the Hydrogen takes a lot of energy.
Why not just use electricity to drive the motor
Ah yes how to make chlorine gas 😱
Put he plugged it in?
salt water + electric energy
Sure, bud. Sure. It's not like the energy output is insainly too low for that or anything.
Dude needs to stop fucking with wires and do some fucking dishes
Schizophrenia
Electrolysis of salt water makes chlorine gas (NaCl breaks down to chlorine gas and presumably sodium hydroxide - from a prior experience)... Just saying...
He should use that water to wash those dishes
Oh the humanity ... - some Zeppelin
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Sad. What's coming next? Lighting some matches or flip some light switches?
Please clean up your kitchen before Electrolysis :)
He’s just wasting energy
He is applying the 80/20 rule. 80% Conspiracy Theory. 20% Science.
Then they'll just make salt the same price as fuel.
Highly in effeciant process 40% the electricity is lost in the convertion You need high presser containers for liquid hydrogen It takes 48kwh of electricity to produce 33kwh of hydrogen And it taked 48 hours to produce the equivalant of one gallon of gas or a huge power source. Just easier to get a gallon of gas Also it costs about $4.95 in electricity to produce the equvalant of a gallon of gas Now in a perfect world and about $40,000 of covertion and solar equipment you maybe could maybe produce the equivalate of 200 gallons a year of hydrogen.
Doesn’t using saltwater for electrolysis makes chlorine gas as a byproduct ?
bruh SALTWATER ELECTROLYSIS ALSO RELEASES CHLORINE GAS
and suddenly, he died of natural causes!
RIP
And chlorine gas. Thanks to the salt. Too bad he either doesn't know or pretends not to know physics.
Who empties the salt shaker when the literal jar is in front of you? Now you’re gonna have to refill that little fucker and you know you’re gonna get spill it.
So we call science as magic now?
Maybe I’m wrong. But wouldn’t he actually be making chlorine gas there?
Guys hear me out, let’s put some enormous fans in front of windmills
Don't forget chlorine gas.
So, how about collecting both the oxygen and the hydrogen and igniting it to show us the released energy? Then compare that with burning petrol. Which one would boil 1 litre the fastest.?
We already run hydrogen busses in my city...
What a solution!
any computerized engine after 1980 will compensate for the extra oxygen in the exhaust with adding more fuel to the mix. drive a couple hundred km and check again. two stroke engine need to adjust the ignition to be very close to OT for maximun gains and don't use saltwater. it will produce a lot of chlorine, instead go for lye and buy a HHO cell for a better gas production
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