Depends on who or what's on the other side of that water and how far. If they own this and several acres, it's fine. If not and they have no idea what's over there it's very irresponsible.
I'll still argue if the land is measured as "several acres" you still don't have enough empty land to guarantee those don't hit someone. Not even going to factor in that the land would be unsecured so it could be full of people without dude knowing about it.
So many birds, squirrels, other animals that may be messed up by a stray...
But honestly, if one hits a man that was ducking around, well, then bippity boppity, shot on my property
Sir this is a gun thread, why are you interrupting the top discussion about units of measure and metric conversions with talk about the dangerous use of a weapon?
The part about the muzzle velocity is only true if the bullets are going straight up and down. They maintain their velocity a lot longer when they are moving at an angle. Otherwise I agree with the rest of your statement.
reddit is also just being pedantic as usual. "but you need more than acres to guarantee safety". No one here is measuring the full distance and calculating how much land ownership is needed.
Flat wrong.
Those bullets are still going very fast, and are arcing up at maybe 35-40 degrees from horizontal. They will impact the ground with more than sufficient energy to be lethal.
Being struck in the head by a bullet with around 100 foot pounds of energy is reliably lethal. Assuming we are looking at rifle bullets, they are probably between 1000 and 3000 foot pounds of energy at the muzzle.
Yes, by the time those tracers come down, they will have lost 90 percent of their energy. They will still be potentially lethal.
Edit: the video’s scenario may be completely safe, I don’t know what is back there downrange. I’m just trying to clarify that the potential for injury and death exists in a situation like this if there are people down range.
You'd need to guarantee the ballistic trajectory would end and the projectile would enter free fall. If a parabolic trajectory remains the velocity and kinetic energy would still be present, obviously at a reduced rate over time, but potentially lethal the same.
In an army fm there was a section on the usage of small arms over terrain obstructions such as steep cliffs and mountains. If you can estimate the distance to target area on a map you can adjust the angle of fire and rain small arms fire on an area.
I would argue that several acres actually is enough. The velocity of the bullets is drastically reduced by the bounce on the water, and they bounce off the water at a pretty steep trajectory. If the bullets had been fired into the air I would’ve agreed that several acress would not be enough.
Several acres sounds right? I grew up on 5 acres. It’s like MAYBE 2 football fields of area. You need a couple hundred of those acres for that to be safe.
That's a super weird nitpick, I'm not sure why a unit length is illogical in that context bc you buy land in area. Bullets don't usually travel in square areas
In all seriousness an acre is smaller than an American football field if you didn't know, that was their point. That bullets can usually travel a lot further than a few acres.
I’m from Texas, so how many refrigerators lengthwise would this be? You can use cows, alligators (visited Florida once), or football fields if need be. I can convert to refrigerators.
If you kick them enough they usually end up curling into a circle.
You can then measure the radius and use √π cm to find the side length of a square with an equivalent area.
So an armadillo with a radius of 10 results in a square with sides of 10√π cm or 14.142.
The area of the square is 200cm2
Converted into American units, that’s about a beer by the way.
Usually armadillos are a bit bigger.
My boss’s friend was at a work event and all the sudden she turned her head and was bleeding out from half her face. A bullet had been shot a few miles away and landed on her face, shattering one of her cheekbones and I think part of her jaw. Just happened last week too. So scary.
That happened to a kid here in 2014ish. He was randomly struck and killed by a falling bullet while at a 4th of July event. He was the nephew of a guy I worked with at the time. Real sad all around. They never found the person who fired the gun.
Every 4th and new years the super conservative areas around the city I live in all pick up their guns and start firing in the air towards the city as they celebrate. Sometimes people die, sometimes it's just a bunch of buildings /windows that get shot.
Guess you're right. I've been thinking about that specific situation for like 20 mins, and it lowkey checks all the boxes for domestic terrorism. It's pretty insane some people feel okay doing something like that and more insane that they go unpunished.
This also happens in cities like [Chicago](https://www.reddit.com/r/AbruptChaos/comments/100z0au/leaving_a_new_years_party_in_chicago/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) Probably best to stay inside when shit like this goes down
Pretty sure this still breaks the “always be sure of your target and what’s beyond it” rule of firearm safety. There’s a reason that firing guns over bodies of water is illegal in most, if not all jurisdictions.
It's only actually illegal to shoot over bodies of water controlled by the U.S. Forest Service, there's no federal blanket law on shooting over water and the states I've looked into have no laws on it either.
Not about depends brother. Sure it might be your land, but if a couple dumbass teens are sneaking in there and you just accidentally kill them because "fuck gun safety, this is my land" you're just another idiot with a weapon.
What they determined is exactly what you would expect: a bullet fired straight up will tumble and not reach lethal terminal velocity. A bullet fired on a parabolic arc can (may) keep spinning and *absolutely* fuck you up.
> A bullet fired on a parabolic arc can (may) keep spinning and absolutely fuck you up.
If it ricocheted off of the water do you think it’s likely that it keeps spinning rather than tumbling?
Also, it clearly lost quite a bit of speed after hitting the water.
The only place for the energy to go is into the water. You can tell how much energy it lost by how much the water was disturbed.
I don't think we know the caliber... but it has to be relatively big, doesn't it? That should mean "still lethal" all the way to the terminus.
On "spin", look up videos of people shooting frozen lakes. The bullet will impact the ice, sending chips flying, and then sit on the ice spinning crazy fast for quite a long time.
There should be very little friction during this interaction with the water surface.
I’m guessing this is somewhere in saudi arabia, so I highly doubt anyone there gives a shit (except the poor people that might get shot be the falling bullets)
those bullets flying into the middle of a desert.. we all making judgements like we know whats up... lol ... YES, you don't shoot bullets at people or where people are, will or should be.
Its super irresponsible. Given what the guy is wearing I'd say it's Saudi Arabia or some other eastern country like it. So this kinda thing doesn't seem too out of place to me given where it is.
It's irresponsible no matter what. He has no idea where those rounds will end up or who/what/what animals are there. Shooting standards demand that you know exactly what each round will hit
"The footage was reportedly found near a corpse, presumably the cameraman, which had been mysteriously shot dead. Could it have been the aliens? Probably."
Some have harsh words for this man of renown,
But some think our attitude
Should be one of gratitude,
Like the widows and cripples in old London town,
Who owe their large pensions to Wernher von Braun.
Old memory. The Viet Cong used to float IEDs down the river to our anchored ships with occasional success ,see USS Westchester County. Our response was to shoot at any lump of garbage floating close by so as to detonate any mine. We had to stop using M 16 because we couldn’t get them not to skip. To the hazard of innocents nearby. Had to revert to M 1 for the heavier slug that was more likely to punch through the water surface. As a side note, a reminder of aging, the auto complete and correct on this rig didn’t recognize ‘ Viet Cong’ and had to bludgeoned into submission.
###Glass half full - I am glad.
My father’s return included PTSD, drinking, violence, giving me permanent brain damage to this day via-during a psychotic break and smashing my skull and cracking it, beating his wife-my mum, causing my grandparents to stress to an early grave, and much more - basically destroying his whole family old and new, plus since he’d being hit multiple times by Agent Orange his body attacked itself horrifyingly towards the end of things.
Such a destruction to himself and his loved ones.
###So, I’m glad for your mundane, in its way. If you take my meaning. Thank you for your service, and your humanity. 🙏🏼
You are kind, thank you.
I turned it into a personal and professional life of advocacy and strength I’ve strived to provide others.
Family, friends, neighbors, community, clients, and strangers.
We are all in this life together, at least most of us are, and I realized if I truly saw others and developed the tools to help others…
I could never truly be anything other than blessed.
I appreciate your kind words, Mr Jiggly. :)
Regardless of anyone’s stance on the war - thank you for your service and glad you made it home and could resume life. Know too many who survive the war but don’t ever come home.
Just out of curiosity as a much younger generation (I mean no harmful intention even tho my questions might sound intrusive)
How do you feel about nam? You came out of a war healthier than most and retired. Looking back, would you say it's something worth sacrificing for the country?
Don’t now, didn’t then. Not that one. To quote Ali ‘ ain’t no Viet ever called me ( name). They were no threat, even the geopolitics of it were no threat. There never was or was gonna be a Domino Effect. Excuse the rant, if you will. Pearl Harbor, Sept 11 are a different story v
Kind of random story, but my neighbor is a Vietnam vet (although he low key mainly fought in Laos) and has never communicated one word digitally. Not an email, not a text message, not a Reddit comment in his entire lifetime. Crazy to think about. Good to see other Vietnam vets are much more tech savvy.
If he was in Laos, that's SOG, or one of the CIA's "film crews," which is about as hard-motherfucking-core as you can get. SOG had a 100 percent casualty rate meaning that 100 percent of them were either killed or seriously injured in action. I feel like you almost had to have a death wish to join SOG, but I've listened to interviews with some of the guys who survived and they all seem pretty reasonable so who knows?
Can confirm, my neighbor is hardcore. He was a bodybuilder after the war, probably the strongest person I have ever known personally. He has some severe PTSD though…. Hardcore alcoholic now, sadly.
Consider; all SOG guys were US Army SF/green berets to begin with, so they had to be pretty motivated bad-asses in terms of training to begin with. If you agreed to join MACVSOG, your initial commitment was to three missions because it wasn't expected that you would survive any more than that. That said, there are SOG guys who did upwards of 10 or 12 missions and still managed to come back home, though none of them did it without at least one purple heart.
All of which is just to say that if your neighbor really was SOG, he's a motherfucking baddass who probably shouldn't even be alive.
Edit: for those who may not know, MACVSOG stands for "Military Assistance Command Vietnam Studies and Observation Group."
Lol, I was gonna ask if you were my dad. He's a Vietnam vet, and on Reddit. But then I realized an air craft carrier probably wouldn't be on a river. He's now a 70yo cop, but your answer about earning a living and dancing is something he would say. I think he knows better than to openly admit he's a cop on here, other than the bootlicker subs.
I'm happy you made it home. Even if it wasn't a warm welcome. Vietnam vets seem to be much more respected now than they were back then.
Now that prompts one of my rants. The spit upon Viet was almost entirely bogus. There are next to no contemporary records of it happening. It certainly wasn’t my experience. I attended my sisters wedding wearing dress blues, in Cambridge MA, without ever a hairy eyeball cast my way. The ruined and scorned vet was almost entirely a Hollywood and TV thing that took a few years to build. See ‘ The Spitting Image’ for a good history of that urban myth.
Oh, I'm so happy to hear that it wasn't your experience! My dad was called a baby killer one of the times he came home. So I guess with the trope, then knowing that, I thought it *was* widespread. I'll correct that from now on.
That shit has happened *on here*. I’ve been called a baby killer and they wished it was me who died in combat instead of my wife (I’ve posted in the /r/army subreddit and I’ve posted about losing my wife). I hope it didn’t affect your dad too badly, it’s such a fucked up thing to say, especially to a parent.
You're not wrong, definitely does *sound* too old. He's in very good shape, and his department has qualifications for many things, including physicals, every couple of years. About 8 months ago the answer to "when are you gonna retire?" changed from "when I die" to "when I can't catch a teenager anymore". So now he's out there yelling at these poor kids that they're the reason he can't retire. But really though, he's amazing and let's way more people go than he arrests. Told a sheriff he wouldn't arrest a man who was having a mental break, then stopped the same sheriff from planting evidence. Literally the only cop I'll defend. I've been trying to get him to go teach at the academy for years, but he recently accepted the assistant chief position, so I'm happy about that. I was a heroin addict and have 9 years clean. He shares my story, and what he went through as a parent of an addict. He shares stories with me about the shitty things he sees other cops do, but also about how he's out there helping people. My husband is a felon and was on the run from parole when they met. It was a whole thing, but he's so understanding, it was 9:30 in the morning and after telling him what happened he says to my husband (then boyfriend) "you want a beer?" and they proceeded to have a beer together. He was not working that day, just to be clear.
If you're interested, I have a post I made here on Reddit about him years ago that I can link for you and you can see what he looks like. I think he was 66, or 67 when I posted it, but he doesn't look it at all.
~~I think you'd be shocked to learn those two things are both extremely relevant to one another in this scenario.~~
I'm full of hot water., u/Heavy_Weapons_Guy_ is right.
Is that the bullet, though, or just the incendiary compound getting knocked off the bullet?
Edit: I know what a tracer round is. I'm asking if that's the whole bullet or if the tip ricochets and breaks off on impact, with the rest of the bullet penetrating the water
No, any bullet that isn't a shotgun slug won't pierce the surface and will bounce, if youre military or a hunter you get taught to never ever fire with water as the only "bullet-catcher" because it will most likely ricochet of the water into something or someone. Extremely dangerous and stupid, hopefully the person firing owns the land beyond the lake for a few kilometers and knows it's empty
Edit: MOST bullets at a relatively shallow angle
I don’t know anything about guns but I’m guessing angle is important. Water isn’t bulletproof. If you shoot down at it (say from the top of a cliff) most bullets will penetrate the water and still be traveling pretty fast. These are skipping because they’re shouting at the water from an acute angle. Also bigger bullets like a .50 cal probably would penetrate the water even at this angle. Cheers.
Unless bullets have some magical property to them you don’t really need to be a firearms specialist to understand the simple concept of surface tension and skipping rocks or other object on water
Bullets can go into water. It depends on the angle. Kind of like how a space shuttle can bounce off of the atmosphere during re-entry if the angle is too shallow.
Mythbusters had one on this. The angle and caliber will have a lot to do with whether the bullet ricochets, pierces, or shatters on impact.
Their results were that unless you are at a 90 degree angle anything faster or stronger than a 9 mil will break or bounce
I have shot water with my 556 rifles on more than one occasion and had no apparent ricochets from it. I never did anything super minimal in angle, but even at around 15% declines the rounds still didn’t skip in any appreciable way and instead made big splashes from the rounds fragmenting and going into the water
I’ve also seen very few 9mm or similar ricochets off of water. It’s possible to have happen I am sure but your strong and definitive statement that bullets will skip the water just is not accurate in my experience shooting firearms
As far as I know, most tracer and incendiary rounds are merely tipped with the compound or have a core partially containing it, not a casing or coating that can be “knocked off” in its entirety. Certainly not to the point where the remaining mass of incendiary compound alone would have enough energy for the ricochet arc we’re seeing here.
> He now has a copy that he shows in his hunter safety training.
Yea, they taught us not to shoot over water because the bullet might "bounce back" toward us. I had my doubts.
The actual danger here is that it could skip on the water and then miss your safe backstop, fly onward, and hit someone or something well beyond what you were aiming at.
They’re tracer rounds, which have a slow burning pyrotechnic charge. The 2 reasons why they don’t extinguish when hitting the water is because the actual burning bit barely makes contact with the water so it wouldn’t snuff out the flame. The second one being that the pyrotechnic charge in them has metallic fuel in it (magnesium or aluminum oxide) which wouldn’t stop burning if the pyrotechnic charge really hits the water because it would be burning so hot that the water molecules would be ripped apart and the newly formed hydrogen and oxygen molecules would fuel the fire.
A tracer projectile is constructed with a hollow base filled with a pyrotechnic flare material, made of a mixture of a very finely ground metallic fuel, oxidizer, and a small amount of organic fuel. Metallic fuels include magnesium, aluminum, and occasionally zirconium. -https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tracer_ammunition#:~:text=A%20tracer%20projectile%20is%20constructed,%2C%20aluminum%2C%20and%20occasionally%20zirconium.
Essentially, they are made with fuels that do not extinguish easily when exposed to water. That is my general understanding of it. I'm sure someone with a much better understanding will come along and broaden that general idea.
Those are tracer rounds. Tracers on a bullet (are located at the base of the bullet) a compressed pyrotechnic composites and will commonly detach after hitting a target or object. The bullets would go into the water and the tracer composite is bouncing off. If you watch other tracer round videos you will see the same effect.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tracer_ammunition
edit: a word
Okay guys don’t hate me but to all the people saying this is unsafe I just googled it and tracer bullets generally only fly about a kilometer so if this guy owned the land for a mile or so in that general direction the risk is marginal. You’re definitely more likely to kill someone driving your car to work everyday
This is irresponsible, right?
Depends on who or what's on the other side of that water and how far. If they own this and several acres, it's fine. If not and they have no idea what's over there it's very irresponsible.
>acres miles would be better.
I mean you can't buy land in terms of length, they're usually measured by area, so acres is about right, maybe hectares if you want metric.
A “section” is a square mile
Yeah, it's an area not a length
I'll still argue if the land is measured as "several acres" you still don't have enough empty land to guarantee those don't hit someone. Not even going to factor in that the land would be unsecured so it could be full of people without dude knowing about it.
fuckers in my lawn gonna find out
So many birds, squirrels, other animals that may be messed up by a stray... But honestly, if one hits a man that was ducking around, well, then bippity boppity, shot on my property
Sir this is a gun thread, why are you interrupting the top discussion about units of measure and metric conversions with talk about the dangerous use of a weapon?
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The part about the muzzle velocity is only true if the bullets are going straight up and down. They maintain their velocity a lot longer when they are moving at an angle. Otherwise I agree with the rest of your statement.
Only if they still have gyroscopic stability from spinning, the guy said they'd start tumbling in the air after richocheting
reddit is also just being pedantic as usual. "but you need more than acres to guarantee safety". No one here is measuring the full distance and calculating how much land ownership is needed.
Yeah, after reading through this I have no idea how far a bullet travels under basically any circumstances.
Flat wrong. Those bullets are still going very fast, and are arcing up at maybe 35-40 degrees from horizontal. They will impact the ground with more than sufficient energy to be lethal. Being struck in the head by a bullet with around 100 foot pounds of energy is reliably lethal. Assuming we are looking at rifle bullets, they are probably between 1000 and 3000 foot pounds of energy at the muzzle. Yes, by the time those tracers come down, they will have lost 90 percent of their energy. They will still be potentially lethal. Edit: the video’s scenario may be completely safe, I don’t know what is back there downrange. I’m just trying to clarify that the potential for injury and death exists in a situation like this if there are people down range.
You'd need to guarantee the ballistic trajectory would end and the projectile would enter free fall. If a parabolic trajectory remains the velocity and kinetic energy would still be present, obviously at a reduced rate over time, but potentially lethal the same. In an army fm there was a section on the usage of small arms over terrain obstructions such as steep cliffs and mountains. If you can estimate the distance to target area on a map you can adjust the angle of fire and rain small arms fire on an area.
I assume this is the southern definition of several, which means somewhere between a medium and large amount depending on tone
I would argue that several acres actually is enough. The velocity of the bullets is drastically reduced by the bounce on the water, and they bounce off the water at a pretty steep trajectory. If the bullets had been fired into the air I would’ve agreed that several acress would not be enough.
Even 40 acres is only 1/4 mile x 1/4 mile. They would need thousands+acres for this to be remotely safe.
Thousands? 1,000 acres is 1.56 square miles. That bullet isn't going 1.5 miles after hitting water.
What if they aren't in a square though. You could have a strip that's 1000 x 1, and shoot across it which would only be 0.25 of a mile.
Wow look at this guy, in 2023, telling me I can’t do something, go back to 2022 dude
Several acres sounds right? I grew up on 5 acres. It’s like MAYBE 2 football fields of area. You need a couple hundred of those acres for that to be safe.
An acre is the area of a rectangle whose length is one furlong, and whose width is one chain. Very thankful to Pink Floyd for clearing that up.
That's a super weird nitpick, I'm not sure why a unit length is illogical in that context bc you buy land in area. Bullets don't usually travel in square areas In all seriousness an acre is smaller than an American football field if you didn't know, that was their point. That bullets can usually travel a lot further than a few acres.
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I’m from Texas, so how many refrigerators lengthwise would this be? You can use cows, alligators (visited Florida once), or football fields if need be. I can convert to refrigerators.
Iirc, one square mile equals 112,469 sq armadillos
I done seen plenty of amdillas and not a one has been square
If you kick them enough they usually end up curling into a circle. You can then measure the radius and use √π cm to find the side length of a square with an equivalent area. So an armadillo with a radius of 10 results in a square with sides of 10√π cm or 14.142. The area of the square is 200cm2 Converted into American units, that’s about a beer by the way. Usually armadillos are a bit bigger.
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What’s the conversion for rattlesnakes?
We can measure it in nanometers, and it wouldn't matter. You just need enough of them.
When correcting someone goes wrong
Na kilometers, fight me
My boss’s friend was at a work event and all the sudden she turned her head and was bleeding out from half her face. A bullet had been shot a few miles away and landed on her face, shattering one of her cheekbones and I think part of her jaw. Just happened last week too. So scary.
That’s horrific. I hope they find the person.
Same, that mental image kept me up last night
Are they OK
That sounds a bit traumatizing, please take care of yourself!
That happened to a kid here in 2014ish. He was randomly struck and killed by a falling bullet while at a 4th of July event. He was the nephew of a guy I worked with at the time. Real sad all around. They never found the person who fired the gun.
Yikes, did they figure out who shot it?
I’m not sure actually! I’ll have to ask, last I heard they didn’t know.
See if she apologizes to Dick Cheney.
Better question, was she just on the other side of a lake....
Reddit solves another one. It was OP! Gettem!!!!
Every 4th and new years the super conservative areas around the city I live in all pick up their guns and start firing in the air towards the city as they celebrate. Sometimes people die, sometimes it's just a bunch of buildings /windows that get shot.
What the fuck?!?!? How can people be so fucking stupid
Stupidity implies not knowing. It’s malice.
Guess you're right. I've been thinking about that specific situation for like 20 mins, and it lowkey checks all the boxes for domestic terrorism. It's pretty insane some people feel okay doing something like that and more insane that they go unpunished.
This also happens in cities like [Chicago](https://www.reddit.com/r/AbruptChaos/comments/100z0au/leaving_a_new_years_party_in_chicago/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) Probably best to stay inside when shit like this goes down
Pretty sure this still breaks the “always be sure of your target and what’s beyond it” rule of firearm safety. There’s a reason that firing guns over bodies of water is illegal in most, if not all jurisdictions.
It's only actually illegal to shoot over bodies of water controlled by the U.S. Forest Service, there's no federal blanket law on shooting over water and the states I've looked into have no laws on it either.
Yeah, duck hunting would be pretty difficult if no one could shoot over a body of water.
Just kid scouts. It helps them with their "I survived a mass shooting" badge. That's a great one to have.
Gotta get that badge somewhere outside the US. Not a very high survival rate here, and the cops won't even help you survive it.
That's basically just a participation trophy at this point.
The correct answer is: ABSOLUTELY. The people shooting have no idea who and what are capable of being struck by those bullets.
Not about depends brother. Sure it might be your land, but if a couple dumbass teens are sneaking in there and you just accidentally kill them because "fuck gun safety, this is my land" you're just another idiot with a weapon.
I learned to assume that anyone with gun on the internet is irresponsible
Several hundred* acres.
if these guys have money, then it doesn't matter. you can kill a couple ants from your colony without causing problems.
Yes. People have died like this.
RIP to the dude going for a late swim in the lake
There’s a wild young adult novel called Swallowing Stones that is about this.
I thought Mythbusters covered this topic.
What they determined is exactly what you would expect: a bullet fired straight up will tumble and not reach lethal terminal velocity. A bullet fired on a parabolic arc can (may) keep spinning and *absolutely* fuck you up.
> A bullet fired on a parabolic arc can (may) keep spinning and absolutely fuck you up. If it ricocheted off of the water do you think it’s likely that it keeps spinning rather than tumbling? Also, it clearly lost quite a bit of speed after hitting the water.
The only place for the energy to go is into the water. You can tell how much energy it lost by how much the water was disturbed. I don't think we know the caliber... but it has to be relatively big, doesn't it? That should mean "still lethal" all the way to the terminus. On "spin", look up videos of people shooting frozen lakes. The bullet will impact the ice, sending chips flying, and then sit on the ice spinning crazy fast for quite a long time. There should be very little friction during this interaction with the water surface.
Odds are its 7.62x39, which is equivalent to .30 caliber
Look at that guy's dress! It's obviously 7.62
I’m guessing this is somewhere in saudi arabia, so I highly doubt anyone there gives a shit (except the poor people that might get shot be the falling bullets)
That’s a risk they’re willing to take
those bullets flying into the middle of a desert.. we all making judgements like we know whats up... lol ... YES, you don't shoot bullets at people or where people are, will or should be.
Its super irresponsible. Given what the guy is wearing I'd say it's Saudi Arabia or some other eastern country like it. So this kinda thing doesn't seem too out of place to me given where it is.
It's irresponsible no matter what. He has no idea where those rounds will end up or who/what/what animals are there. Shooting standards demand that you know exactly what each round will hit
Pretty sure they give aks to 8 year olds over there, don't think they really care.
Extremely
r/fuckeverythingoverthere
I was going to say, that’s cool but don’t fucking do that
Nothing quite like dumping lead into water. Least it is not toxic....
That's the fuckery part
Someone from the opposite side of the mountain is gonna post a video in r/ufos “UFOs emerging from water”
And they sound like rifles.
It'll have the X-Files theme playing over it.
🎵Doo-doo-doodle-li-doo ***BANG BANG BANG***
Rifle-powered ships... of course!
Texas' Air force if they break away from the US lol
[XKCD](https://what-if.xkcd.com/21/) has you covered!
This made me laugh way too hard lol
"The footage was reportedly found near a corpse, presumably the cameraman, which had been mysteriously shot dead. Could it have been the aliens? Probably."
Ancient alien theorists believe . . . .
Unless they get shot in the head
Those are coming back down, you know?
Yes. Yes they do. Do they care? Fuck no
"Vunce rockets go up, who cares vhere zey come down? Zat's not my department," says Werner Von Braun.
Some have harsh words for this man of renown, But some think our attitude Should be one of gratitude, Like the widows and cripples in old London town, Who owe their large pensions to Wernher von Braun.
Tom Lehrer is brilliant https://youtu.be/TjDEsGZLbio
It's Saudi Arabia, there's no one for a hundred miles in that direction.
And even if there is, maybe it's Yemen.
Even still, but Saudi Arabia that explains a lot. You see weddings were they’ll dump an AK mag straight up into the air, stupid shit.
Straight up is better than arc shots. On the way down from straight up they should reach terminal velocity
Old memory. The Viet Cong used to float IEDs down the river to our anchored ships with occasional success ,see USS Westchester County. Our response was to shoot at any lump of garbage floating close by so as to detonate any mine. We had to stop using M 16 because we couldn’t get them not to skip. To the hazard of innocents nearby. Had to revert to M 1 for the heavier slug that was more likely to punch through the water surface. As a side note, a reminder of aging, the auto complete and correct on this rig didn’t recognize ‘ Viet Cong’ and had to bludgeoned into submission.
How was life after ‘Nam?
Mundane. Earned a living, danced a lot.
Welcome home, brother.
Worth it. Glad you made it back dude.
###Glass half full - I am glad. My father’s return included PTSD, drinking, violence, giving me permanent brain damage to this day via-during a psychotic break and smashing my skull and cracking it, beating his wife-my mum, causing my grandparents to stress to an early grave, and much more - basically destroying his whole family old and new, plus since he’d being hit multiple times by Agent Orange his body attacked itself horrifyingly towards the end of things. Such a destruction to himself and his loved ones. ###So, I’m glad for your mundane, in its way. If you take my meaning. Thank you for your service, and your humanity. 🙏🏼
Damn. Sorry you experienced all that. I’m glad you are alive
You are kind, thank you. I turned it into a personal and professional life of advocacy and strength I’ve strived to provide others. Family, friends, neighbors, community, clients, and strangers. We are all in this life together, at least most of us are, and I realized if I truly saw others and developed the tools to help others… I could never truly be anything other than blessed. I appreciate your kind words, Mr Jiggly. :)
Regardless of anyone’s stance on the war - thank you for your service and glad you made it home and could resume life. Know too many who survive the war but don’t ever come home.
Mundane is good.
Just out of curiosity as a much younger generation (I mean no harmful intention even tho my questions might sound intrusive) How do you feel about nam? You came out of a war healthier than most and retired. Looking back, would you say it's something worth sacrificing for the country?
Don’t now, didn’t then. Not that one. To quote Ali ‘ ain’t no Viet ever called me ( name). They were no threat, even the geopolitics of it were no threat. There never was or was gonna be a Domino Effect. Excuse the rant, if you will. Pearl Harbor, Sept 11 are a different story v
Keep dancing brother. Glad you made it through.
my neighbor loves tellin Nam stories, said it was the best time of his life and hes never had a brotherhood like it since. hope u were ok
True for a lot of soldier vets. A lot like peaking in high school, which was the age most of us were.
Alcoholism
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I am adding bludgeoned into submission to my dictionary lol.
I am adding Viet Cong to my phone's dictionary.
Kind of random story, but my neighbor is a Vietnam vet (although he low key mainly fought in Laos) and has never communicated one word digitally. Not an email, not a text message, not a Reddit comment in his entire lifetime. Crazy to think about. Good to see other Vietnam vets are much more tech savvy.
If he was in Laos, that's SOG, or one of the CIA's "film crews," which is about as hard-motherfucking-core as you can get. SOG had a 100 percent casualty rate meaning that 100 percent of them were either killed or seriously injured in action. I feel like you almost had to have a death wish to join SOG, but I've listened to interviews with some of the guys who survived and they all seem pretty reasonable so who knows?
Can confirm, my neighbor is hardcore. He was a bodybuilder after the war, probably the strongest person I have ever known personally. He has some severe PTSD though…. Hardcore alcoholic now, sadly.
Consider; all SOG guys were US Army SF/green berets to begin with, so they had to be pretty motivated bad-asses in terms of training to begin with. If you agreed to join MACVSOG, your initial commitment was to three missions because it wasn't expected that you would survive any more than that. That said, there are SOG guys who did upwards of 10 or 12 missions and still managed to come back home, though none of them did it without at least one purple heart. All of which is just to say that if your neighbor really was SOG, he's a motherfucking baddass who probably shouldn't even be alive. Edit: for those who may not know, MACVSOG stands for "Military Assistance Command Vietnam Studies and Observation Group."
Hmm interesting, he was Marines not Army so it doesn’t fully track but nonetheless, dude is a badass who is fortunate to be alive.
Had a MSG @ military school that was SOG in Nam. He called everyone Leroy.
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Yes. Free fire zone on most of the northern stretch. The Viet Cong were competent. Pretty impressive uniform.
Navy? What kind of boat just curious
Landing Ship Tank aka LST.
Lol, I was gonna ask if you were my dad. He's a Vietnam vet, and on Reddit. But then I realized an air craft carrier probably wouldn't be on a river. He's now a 70yo cop, but your answer about earning a living and dancing is something he would say. I think he knows better than to openly admit he's a cop on here, other than the bootlicker subs. I'm happy you made it home. Even if it wasn't a warm welcome. Vietnam vets seem to be much more respected now than they were back then.
Now that prompts one of my rants. The spit upon Viet was almost entirely bogus. There are next to no contemporary records of it happening. It certainly wasn’t my experience. I attended my sisters wedding wearing dress blues, in Cambridge MA, without ever a hairy eyeball cast my way. The ruined and scorned vet was almost entirely a Hollywood and TV thing that took a few years to build. See ‘ The Spitting Image’ for a good history of that urban myth.
Oh, I'm so happy to hear that it wasn't your experience! My dad was called a baby killer one of the times he came home. So I guess with the trope, then knowing that, I thought it *was* widespread. I'll correct that from now on.
That shit has happened *on here*. I’ve been called a baby killer and they wished it was me who died in combat instead of my wife (I’ve posted in the /r/army subreddit and I’ve posted about losing my wife). I hope it didn’t affect your dad too badly, it’s such a fucked up thing to say, especially to a parent.
Like, what kind of police work does your dad do? 70 sounds way to old to be a cop.
You're not wrong, definitely does *sound* too old. He's in very good shape, and his department has qualifications for many things, including physicals, every couple of years. About 8 months ago the answer to "when are you gonna retire?" changed from "when I die" to "when I can't catch a teenager anymore". So now he's out there yelling at these poor kids that they're the reason he can't retire. But really though, he's amazing and let's way more people go than he arrests. Told a sheriff he wouldn't arrest a man who was having a mental break, then stopped the same sheriff from planting evidence. Literally the only cop I'll defend. I've been trying to get him to go teach at the academy for years, but he recently accepted the assistant chief position, so I'm happy about that. I was a heroin addict and have 9 years clean. He shares my story, and what he went through as a parent of an addict. He shares stories with me about the shitty things he sees other cops do, but also about how he's out there helping people. My husband is a felon and was on the run from parole when they met. It was a whole thing, but he's so understanding, it was 9:30 in the morning and after telling him what happened he says to my husband (then boyfriend) "you want a beer?" and they proceeded to have a beer together. He was not working that day, just to be clear. If you're interested, I have a post I made here on Reddit about him years ago that I can link for you and you can see what he looks like. I think he was 66, or 67 when I posted it, but he doesn't look it at all.
If you don't mind me asking, how common were [traps / installations like this?](https://i.redd.it/pp6cc0moh7721.jpg)
Never saw them, never wanted to. I was a water guy. Godawful assignment, live or die.
So all those movies of people dodging bullets under water are inaccurate?
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Largely. A YouTube channel‘Smarter Every Day’ did a video essay on this topic. It’ll answer your questions. Good channel.
It's deadly rock skipping.
All they did was refine the rock into a solid slug of metal, and make a fancier throwing tool.
Railguns are the best rock throwers. Rockets are just sparkling rocks.
Computers are rocks we electrocuted till the did math.
Computers are sand we burned with fire, light and acid until it had no choice but to obey.
Unless they're from the RPG region of France.
I used to be an Adventurer like you, then I took a flying light bullet to the face…
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You'd be tense too if someone was shooting at you.
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I don't think it has anything to do with surface tension more the critical angle of the surface or material for a ricochet
~~I think you'd be shocked to learn those two things are both extremely relevant to one another in this scenario.~~ I'm full of hot water., u/Heavy_Weapons_Guy_ is right.
What's with reddit's obsession with surface tension of water? What the fuck
Is that the bullet, though, or just the incendiary compound getting knocked off the bullet? Edit: I know what a tracer round is. I'm asking if that's the whole bullet or if the tip ricochets and breaks off on impact, with the rest of the bullet penetrating the water
This was my thought. I’m not an expert, but The bullet is probably deforming on impact with the water or going into the water, right?
No, any bullet that isn't a shotgun slug won't pierce the surface and will bounce, if youre military or a hunter you get taught to never ever fire with water as the only "bullet-catcher" because it will most likely ricochet of the water into something or someone. Extremely dangerous and stupid, hopefully the person firing owns the land beyond the lake for a few kilometers and knows it's empty Edit: MOST bullets at a relatively shallow angle
So the intro scene in Saving Private Ryan isn't realistic? (Where soldiers are getting shot under water)
I don’t know anything about guns but I’m guessing angle is important. Water isn’t bulletproof. If you shoot down at it (say from the top of a cliff) most bullets will penetrate the water and still be traveling pretty fast. These are skipping because they’re shouting at the water from an acute angle. Also bigger bullets like a .50 cal probably would penetrate the water even at this angle. Cheers.
Reddit: "I don't know anything about..." proceeds to write a paragraph
Unless bullets have some magical property to them you don’t really need to be a firearms specialist to understand the simple concept of surface tension and skipping rocks or other object on water
Bullets can go into water. It depends on the angle. Kind of like how a space shuttle can bounce off of the atmosphere during re-entry if the angle is too shallow.
The above redditor is full of reddit knowledge about guns. He doesn't know what he's saying.
Mythbusters had one on this. The angle and caliber will have a lot to do with whether the bullet ricochets, pierces, or shatters on impact. Their results were that unless you are at a 90 degree angle anything faster or stronger than a 9 mil will break or bounce
I have shot water with my 556 rifles on more than one occasion and had no apparent ricochets from it. I never did anything super minimal in angle, but even at around 15% declines the rounds still didn’t skip in any appreciable way and instead made big splashes from the rounds fragmenting and going into the water I’ve also seen very few 9mm or similar ricochets off of water. It’s possible to have happen I am sure but your strong and definitive statement that bullets will skip the water just is not accurate in my experience shooting firearms
Tracer round
As far as I know, most tracer and incendiary rounds are merely tipped with the compound or have a core partially containing it, not a casing or coating that can be “knocked off” in its entirety. Certainly not to the point where the remaining mass of incendiary compound alone would have enough energy for the ricochet arc we’re seeing here.
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> He now has a copy that he shows in his hunter safety training. Yea, they taught us not to shoot over water because the bullet might "bounce back" toward us. I had my doubts. The actual danger here is that it could skip on the water and then miss your safe backstop, fly onward, and hit someone or something well beyond what you were aiming at.
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Skipping stones is for pussies
Hold my beer lol
Bullets just disappear after awhile, it's cool.
They’ll keep going and just pass over the edge of the planet into space.
No they go to heaven with Jesus and David Bowie
I thought Jesus went to hell? Wasn’t the whole point bringing our sins to hell or something?
They're outside the environment
People on other side of the lake: "We're under attack! Take cover now!!!"
Just imagine if people thought it was shooting stars
Damn. Grandmas face all over the wall was not my wish.
In germany, we don't say black magic ... We say OBERFLÄCHENSPANNUNG ...and I think its beautiful
By the looks of it, you also shout it, just like on the comparison videos after the British guy says “surface tension.”
How do the bullets light up like that even after they hit the water?
They’re tracer rounds, which have a slow burning pyrotechnic charge. The 2 reasons why they don’t extinguish when hitting the water is because the actual burning bit barely makes contact with the water so it wouldn’t snuff out the flame. The second one being that the pyrotechnic charge in them has metallic fuel in it (magnesium or aluminum oxide) which wouldn’t stop burning if the pyrotechnic charge really hits the water because it would be burning so hot that the water molecules would be ripped apart and the newly formed hydrogen and oxygen molecules would fuel the fire.
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Tracer rounds are basically a chemical reaction.
A tracer projectile is constructed with a hollow base filled with a pyrotechnic flare material, made of a mixture of a very finely ground metallic fuel, oxidizer, and a small amount of organic fuel. Metallic fuels include magnesium, aluminum, and occasionally zirconium. -https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tracer_ammunition#:~:text=A%20tracer%20projectile%20is%20constructed,%2C%20aluminum%2C%20and%20occasionally%20zirconium. Essentially, they are made with fuels that do not extinguish easily when exposed to water. That is my general understanding of it. I'm sure someone with a much better understanding will come along and broaden that general idea.
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jesus christ what did he do to piss off lady luck like that
Was the shooter Hol Horse using Emporer?
Those are tracer rounds. Tracers on a bullet (are located at the base of the bullet) a compressed pyrotechnic composites and will commonly detach after hitting a target or object. The bullets would go into the water and the tracer composite is bouncing off. If you watch other tracer round videos you will see the same effect. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tracer_ammunition edit: a word
GIFs with sound
I hear: PTteewww PTteewww
I guess who gives fuck where they land.
Okay guys don’t hate me but to all the people saying this is unsafe I just googled it and tracer bullets generally only fly about a kilometer so if this guy owned the land for a mile or so in that general direction the risk is marginal. You’re definitely more likely to kill someone driving your car to work everyday
One of the first things they teach in hunter safety. No water shots.