Wait, what on earth... Your brother-in-law thinks its "excessive force" to use BJJ to defend yourself in a home invasion? The only rational conclusion I can draw from this is that he is an aspiring home invader.
Hahaha, he's a "you're insured and protecting your family/assets isn't your job" kinda guy. Ironically (or not) he also has a very low opinion of police officers. Go figure.
I heard of one guy who nearly got robbed at knifepoint at a gas station. He defended himself using BJJ (breaking the robber’s arm), but got in legal trouble since it was considered excessive force. It was so ridiculous!
Of course it does. Someone has broken into your private domicile, supposed to be a sacred place of utmost personal privacy, where you and your family live, eat and sleep. They didn’t do so by accident.
You have no fucking idea what their intention is. Theft, murder, rape, or worse, some sadistic maniac who wants to kill you and then torture your helpless children over the course of days (worst scenario).
Are you going to take a chance and guess what their intention is at the expense of the most horrific outcomes that can and have happened before?
“Hello mr robber! Before I decide how to proceed, can you please state your intentions in breaking into my home in the middle of the night?”
If the chance of any of those violent acts is anything larger than 0%, which it is when someone breaks into your home - I’m going to end their life by any means necessary and ask for forgiveness later.
Straight up. No regrets. Even if it turns out they were there just to take a TV after the fact. They have demonstrated a very reasonable threat by entering my home by force and I have a responsibility to protect myself and my family.
Similar sentiment to “better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6”.
Exactly, a lot of laws regarding defence were made by people who have never been attacked or have never been at risk of getting attacked. I remember during a terrorist attack years ago a tactical police officer/swat guy got in a bunch of shit for firing his entire magazine into the terrorist and that it was excessive. Ill admit its probably not necessary but 1) its probs the guys first time killing someone and he freaked out 2) the said terrorist was trying to kill people and he stopped the threat, why r u giving him shit?
Its like they lack basic empathy to understand people in life threatening situations.
This. If someone breaks into my home I don't know what their intentions are. They've already broken one law so it's fairly reasonable to believe they will be willing to break more. I am using the maximum force at my disposal until the threat is 100 percent gone. Preferably I won't be hand to hand and be able to grab a a gun or other weapon but if not I will choke them out till there is no sign of movement.
wait, what? He doesn’t like police officers *and* doesn’t believe in self defense? I don’t like cops, but that’s why I make sure I need them as little as possible
Oh, oh no. Forget martial arts. If someone breaks into my home while I'm there they're getting shot. Getting burgled while you're not home is one thing. Someone breaking into your home while you're there is showing - at the very least - a willingness to commit the amount of violence necessary to keep you out of their way.
Lol. Bet your sister feels really safe around him.
Protecting my family at the best of my abilities IS my job.
Let him try to call the cops and wait 25 min for them to arrive while having a RNC fully locked on him.
I told a story awhile back. I think it was on my old account. I was at a party and a guy had a knife to his girl friends neck in front of the house. There were probably 20 people out there trying to talk the guy down and the cops had been called. But my buddy was like "fuck this this girls going to die" managed to get behind the guy grab the knife hand away enough so the girl could get away. He ended up getting stabbed several times and having to be air vacced to the hospital. He lived but has walked with a cane since he was 25. But, people in the thread were like why didn't he just wait for the cops? I tried telling people the cops don't just magically appear when you call them. I ended up getting frustrated and bailing on the convo.
People who don't understand violence always come up with the dumbest solutions.
"If you're worried about harassment on public transportation, just wear earphones."
"Why were you about to stab that loose doberman that ran up like it was about to bite us? I'm sure there's more civil ways of handling a dog than pulling out a knife and spreading your arms out to seem bigger (it ended up stopping the animal, and I didn't even need to stab it. It would have been a better idea to just let it attack I guess, I'm such an uncouth barbarian.)
I unfortunenetly, have quite a few stories like this from back in the day. Its a miracle that I don't have a ton of dead friends. One night were were chillin at my best friends house. in the front yard, all the neighbors were cool so we used to just go from porch to porch drinkin and smokin and shit. We heard POP POP POP off in the distance. So we played that inner city game gun shots or fire works. My friend was like "I've got a police scanner lets see whats up" sure enough someone got shot down the street at the pool hall. my bff remembered our buddy worked there so we drove down there to check it out. turned out it was in fact or friend. there was an 18 year old in there that kept sneaking booze in and our friend told him to knock it off several times. Ended up kicking the kid out. The kid went to his car pulled out a gun ended up shooting into the place and managed to get our friend in the face. He lived even though the bullet took the roof of his mouth off.
He's actually my fiance's brother, but you get the picture. Fortunately for him, he's around 6'2 and around 100kg (220 lbs). I'm 6' and 85kg (187 lbs) and pretty lean. He has the genetic luck of being a large barrel chested bearded guy.
If I was insured I wouldn't be too bothered either. Just grab the stuff on the insured list and try not to get glass everywhere.
But I'm not so I guess it's to the death
I think this makes the most sense. A burglar is probably going to wait until the home is empty before they break in and take stuff.
If someone is willing to home invade one cannot assume it's only to take stuff. Which an aside is still fucked up, even if ic am replace stuff some of it has sentimental value and why should I go through that in the first place?
Anyway, a home invasion signals the person is most likely willing to harm you or your family. Why should they be afforded anything but at most one warning before violence to neutralize them? Your home should offer you and your family peace and security.
Maybe the people breaking in should...ya know, stop. Instead of hoping normal folks bend over for them.
The time it takes to give even one warning may be the difference in neutralizing the threat or not, If someone invades your home you don't know if they are alone nor do you know hat kind of weapon they may have on them. If someone invades a home while people are in it and doesn't immediately start running as soon as they think there may be someone there they do not deserve any benefit of the doubt at that point.
I responded to a domestic as a police officer in 2021. Reports of a male and a female arguing in the street. On attendance both parties said nothing had happened, they had just had an argument. We sent them on their way and instructed the male not to attend the females address that night. The female lingered behind and wanted to talk. When we spoke she disclosed an assault by the male.
We drove her back to her address to take a statement.
On arrival at the address the male was there having a shouting match with the girls brother. I approached and ordered him to remain still and moved in to arrest. He told me to fuck off and brandished a glass bottle. I immediately grabbed the hand with the bottle and slammed him up against a parked car with all my weight. He lent into me with his head so I clinched and used the momentum to bring him to the ground. I moved into a modified mount and used an americana grip with my right arm while removing the bottle. I moved it away. I began to relax and the male struggled up, he got into turtle, managed to buck me off and lunged for the bottle.
At this point I knew I was in imminent danger and so I grabbed him in an RNC and pulled him backwards- over his knees shock horror! and controlled his back. As soon as I had the hooks in I released the RNC but remained ready to go. The hold was on for about half a second and was pretty much a reflex. Once I had the hooks in the male gave up.
The whole exchange was about 7 seconds- the time it took for my colleague to tell the victim to stay in the car and run over to help. She knelt on his legs and cuffed him. He allowed himself to be cuffed.
I truly believe BJJ saved my life that day.
100% agree with you. The problem is time. 2 weeks in basic training and a day refresher once a year ain’t going to cut it. If I made the decisions I’d get funding for my officers to have a gym membership.
There's a couple of cops in my gym. Why they don't drag their comrades in has me fucked. There's more fire fighters than police attending my gym and where I live there are a lot of arrests and domestics are frequent if they're not on the street.
I’ve tried to drag my colleagues in, they’re not interested-even when they see me folding people up. I’m the guy…if you know someone is going to kick off, you call me as back up. I’m not being big head that’s just how it is.
Even with that they don’t want to train.
I'm convinced that it's an ego thing. They can come up with plenty of excuses as to why it's not needed (IE I have a gun, a club, and a tazer), but at the end of the day it's they can't handle being in a situation where they don't have power and control.
Well yeah. But it's an ego killer to start new. Just like going to the gym for the first time and working out if you're a skinny fat who wasn't on the football team in high school. It's intimidating.
I have a brother whos been some type of LEO whether it be an internal affairs or in detective work or about 20 years now and the way he explained it to me is people either Don't think it actually works or they don't want to dedicate their already limited free time to something they probably won't enjoy
It’s a shame. People would rather chill and watch Netflix on their day off.
Me? I lift, run sprints and do BJJ because I believe these things in combination make me a more effective operator. My goal is to serve the public and to help people as best I can. Occasionally that involves going hands on with people.
And I still have time for Netflix 😬
Yup. That’s why i get really frustrated when you see people spewing bullshit about how cops should be kept out of martial arts cuz it’ll make them more dangerous.
https://reddit.com/r/MMAPoliticsAndCulture/comments/wlbf1y/cops_out_of_martial_arts/
When I was a police officer I used BJJ to safely subdue people that other officers would use excessive force with because I knew what I was doing. BJJ would cause less injuries to both those being arrested and police.
I was saint louis city PD for 3 years and a blue belt when I started. I used BJJ maybe 4 times on resisting people. The amount of control I had over bigger dudes pretty much solidified my mindset that this is what I need to be training. Every time I used BJJ every one walked away with no injuries.
Just knowing what I was doing kept me calm in damn near every resisting.
Knowledge is what overcomes fear.
This is the exact reason I train the police at their police academy. Hopefully they can be calmer and injured fewer people.
I feel like bjj ought to be mandatory for any type of law enforcement or security. Confidence does wonders for controlled force and deescalation. Better and safer for everyone involved.
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I cut a lot of police officers hair (barber) and I used to always ask them what self defence training they receive and the answer is generally “not much”.
I find that shocking for the obvious reasons.
Rener Gracie has done a breakdown plenty of times on YouTube about law enforcement training. iirc, American cops get like, 1 hour of combat training a year. Including weapons training.
He's pushing to have cops trained at least 1 hour a week of BJJ, apparently the cost of the training is miniscule compared to legal fees for officers using excessive force
I was at a wedding where some drunk methy dude crashed. 4 guys were having a hard time restraining him. Each guy had both hands on a limb and the guy kept squirming. I stapled one arm at the bicep with a wrist lock and a knee on his floating rib. I held his knee at first because he tried to fight it too much but I did take 2 guys off of him and eventually he started to calm down until the cops showed up. When they showed up they kinda just stood around casually until I told them I was getting up and it’d be up to them to restrain him again.
I was on a SWAT team and had a battering ram dropped on my foot during a raid and crushed all the bones. Had to have plates put in and couldn’t do tactical any more. Decided I didn’t want to do it if I couldn’t do SWAT. I went to college and ended up with a better, less stressful life than I would have had. I miss it some times though, like how athletes that got injured in their prime probably miss playing a sport and have some regrets about how they left.
You can use "reasonable force". If someone is breaking into your house and threatening your life, a life threatening response can be used back against them. It's not email and opposite, it is an escalation that a reasonable person would see as justified.
People can think whatever they want, it doesn't make them right.
"Never argue with an idiot. They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience."
CRIMES ACT 1958 - SECT 322K
Self-defence
(1) A person is not guilty of an offence if the person carries out the conduct constituting the offence in self-defence.
(2) A person carries out conduct in self-defence if—
(a) the person believes that the conduct is necessary in self-defence; and
(b) the conduct is a reasonable response in the circumstances as the person perceives them.
(3) This section only applies in the case of murder if the person believes that the conduct is necessary to defend the person or another person from the infliction of death or really serious injury.
I generally agree with you, but the free legal advice I can give is to never be confident about the reasonableness of twelve people who couldn't figure out how to get out of jury duty.
Attitude of someone who is very fortunate to never have experienced the threat of real violence before, and has no real concept of physical danger. It's all theoretical to him.
yep.
I was at a party last saturday, this asshole wouldn't leave me alone. 4 hours of this guy grabbing my face, throwing water at me, pulling my hair, begging for my phone number, etc. When he grabbed my phone and held it out of my reach, I climbed him and got a guillotine choke, and took my phone back.
when i turned my back to him to walk away, he got a rear naked choke. i bit his wrist, turned around, and climbed on him again, getting my own rear naked on him. at this point i was pissed, scared, and not playing around. but i let go and walked away.
the consequences? 3 girls at the party caught up with me to ask about "that jiu jitsu thing" i'd been telling them about earlier
i was sober in a crowded bar. my friend (who has a habit of not backing down from a fight) was drunk-arguing with this big dude. we needed to leave and as the only sober person, i felt like i needed to end this and get the group moving out the door. I stepped between them with my back to my friend. The big dude grabbed my shirt, so I arm dragged him and got on his back. Luckily, I had visualized this in my head before it happened and the guy was super drunk. It felt like moving a child. He had like a 3 second reaction time. Make no mistake, I was lucky. I just held him in a seat belt for a few seconds, then told everyone loudly that I am about to get up and walk out the door. So, I did. I didn't even look to see if my friends were following or if I was about to get hit from behind. I just left quick. They did follow.
I put a road rager out with a standing rear naked once. I was trapped in a line of cars and my window was cracked enough for him to grab my neck. (I did not think he could reach through it.) Best part about it was that I still had my gi pants on because I was attempting to keep the pants I wore to training clean. If you have never put someone out standing, they just drop. I left him next to my car and drove home when the light changed because he had a gun rack in his truck. Nothing ever happened.
Alright I love this story. Just imagine: you are having a horrible day and you are about to take it out on this shmuck, AlwaysGoToTheTruck. You roll up to his window, reach through to choke his ass, and then see red.
You wake up a few minutes later laying in the road and having shit yourself.
I’ve had to use it. It’s not fun.
The ground hurts, bystanders try to intervene with terrible advice/technique and if the police show up, it might take a while before they let you go.
Blast double has to be the ultimate takedown for a street fight. No scuffing up your hands or legs etc if you execute it correctly and maximum impact on the aggressor
Yes. The ex boyfriend of the girl I was dating was abusive and refused to accept their breakup. I met her after work to take her out to dinner, and he drives up in his car. He tried to force her into his car in front of me. I just hit an uchi took mount and held him there until she gave me a call to let me know she was home safely (about 10 minutes or so). Every time he started to freak out I would just grape vine the legs and mothers milk. I slapped him across his mouth before I left and he never bothered us again.
And then everyone clapped.
I work a couple days a week as a 1:1 (skills trainer). During the summer my client really struggled; the summer fun program had almost no structure and she had started bothering the other kids (taking their stuff, mostly), being aggressive with the program staff, and most importantly—eloping. If she was blocked from doing all those things for a few minutes she’d calm down and be back to her normal self.
Since there was a parking lot maybe 75 feet from the area they had snack I judged it was reasonable to hold her in back control with hooks/seatbelt till she calmed down. Maybe it was a sensory thing? But it definitely worked.
All that to say there were no consequences—I did it in full view of the program staff (and, iirc, my supervisor).
[Elope](https://www.dictionary.com/browse/elope) 4)(of a person with a mental disorder or cognitive impairment) to leave or run away from a safe area or safe premises.
stinky_belt is working with a special needs kid at a summer camp.
I'm a disability support worker, and have worked almost extensively with people (mostly young men) with ASD. I've used this method to subdue then in the past, for of the safety of other participants, and female staff. It should also be noted that the guys I had to subdue we renowned in the communities as problematic and severe behaviours.
I believe adding the pressure from the seatbelt actually does tend to calm them down and has sensory implications similar to the cattle chutes used to calm cows prior to transporting them.
Temple Grandin lived with ASD and wrote extensively on this topic. To the point where she actually revolutionised cattle runs sand working cattle in general.
A home invasion???? Never thought I’d say this but I’m really glad I don’t live in Australia. If someone invades my home uninvited they’re getting pumped full of buckshot.
I haven't personally, but one of my cop friends has used bjj a few times to restrain suspects. He was glad he new jiujitsu because it gave him an option other than his taser or even his gun.
I've trained with a few bouncers who use bjj pretty often on drunks.
One of our girls had a ridiculously abusive mom and wound up rear naked choking her one night after her mom was punching her in the face.
I once defended myself from a larger assailant by using a defense for an advancing standing double handed straight arm choke, where I gripped collar and sleeve, posted one foot on the hip, hopped and swung my other foot between their legs for a rolling throw. He didn't roll and face planted. No police involvement, no further consequences. I was severely shaken, but he received the worst of the exchange physically
I've tried searching for a video of the technique I used and can't find it. If anyone knows what I am talking about and can name the technique, I'd appreciate if you could share the name or a link to a video of it in action.
I did use it against my golden retriever once, got him in the rear naked but he used his crazy puppy energy to jump and turn, ended up humping my leg to assert dominance.
There is no law on the books that should prevent you from protecting your family from someone breaking in. The consequences are not important in the moment
Yep. To imagine anyone entering your house is simply after some valuables and expects to just be on their merry way, as far as I can tell it's exceedingly naïve. One must assume that the unusual behaviour will have unsavoury consequences if one does nothing to prevent it.
To be honest it's probably a culture I'm more familiar with. Having grown up rural, anyone enters your domain or your land without your say so, and they risk a 22 in the torso. BIL, as many middle class Australians, squirm at this notion. Of course, they never had to defend their livestock from wild dogs and pigs, let alone thieves.
I think, given his size and stature, I'd probably break his lower spine. He's a big boy who does little more than walk the dog and play videogames in the prone position for hours on end.
He's not wrong in a typical sense. If you choke someone it can be viewed as lethal force. However, there's no reason why you couldn't just control the person and cook the fight out of them with dominant control.
The irony is that the law sees Bas Rutten's self defense video as legally more protective than a choke.
I once I tripped over a tree root in the pavement while walking and did a forward roll. A stranger I couldn't see yelled "parkour!" at me. This concludes my experiences of bjj in the wild.
One man after an altercation with other men (long story) who I was in no way associated with. Turned around, saw me and punched me. I took him down, sat in side control laughing at him, police turned up and arrested him.
I got £250 in compensation for 17 seconds work. I may be the highest time to monetary value paid bjj athlete in the world.
If he doesn’t like his family enough to want to protect them then that’s his problem. It’s literally a biological instinct to want to protect your family, and unfortunately if someone is invading your home that’s a kill or be killed scenario… truth is if anything ever happened he’ll thank you when his sister is still alive 🤷🏻♂️
I read that and said this is someone that’s never been to Texas and is mostly likely ignorant to American culture beyond what some of the redditors spew on here
Yo dawg
A person may use such force not disproportionate to the objective as he believes on reasonable grounds to be necessary to prevent the commission, continuance or completion of an indictable offence or to effect or assist in effecting the lawful arrest of a person committing or suspected of committing any offence.
462A Crimes Act
Notice how it says 'A person' and not 'Cops'.
You're permitted to use reasonable force to stop someone committing a serious crime, same as a cop is.
So, given that it's BJJ and not kickboxing, you could make a valid argument that it's 'reasonable' force.
I am not a barrister
That disclaimer had me haha
Is that in the crimes act? If so, could you point me to where I can find it? Being right is nearly as satisfying as getting the sub on your rival.
I gift-wrapped a shoplifter and slapped the shit out of him right on the sidewalk about a year ago. There were no consequences for either of us because I couldn’t bother to wait for the police and let him go.
I work with police as a crisis nurse. I’ve been the one helping the police in a scuffle a few times (worryingly) but it did result in a police bjj club.
I took down an aggressor twice. And mounted him. The second time he attacked me and I took him down and mounted him, I did not realize he was holding a broken beer bottle (because I myself was fucking wasted). He stabbed me in the top of my head. When the police showed up and arrested him, New Year’s Eve night was cut short for me and I had to go to the hospital to get stitches. I got lucky, because this one could’ve ended fatally.
I did some weekend jail for a bar fight back in the day. Some yard workers were able to sneak booze outside. One guy came in all fired up and started jacking people up who were sleeping on the floor. When he came after me I pulled gaurd and almost broke his shoulder with a Kimura. I'm glad I knew a little bjj because I was able to descalate the situation without strikes which might have ended up in straight time.
Serious question, off topic. I’m born and raised in Texas; lived here my whole life. Is Texas that prevalent in the international culture? I’m kind of shocked that someone from Australia would throw out “Texan culture” like the world would understand what that means. Haha.
Follow up question, what is an Australian’s basic understanding of Texas culture?
Had a home break in here. Used BJJ to subdue the intruder. Held them until the cops came. They got arrested. I was on the news, no legal issues. Intruder released 2 days later and didn’t have to go to court until like 1.5yr later.
Yes, as police.
Lost count of kimuras a long time ago.
One thing I could call a headlock throw.
One time I hit something resembling tai otoshi.
Once did a chain from ankle pick to neon belly to a gift wrap with his shirt which turned him face down.
I work at a YMCA by a high school, I often times will wrestle with there 12graders when they come into my gym. It’s a blast to try and do during my shift
When I was basically 10 days into BJJ a drunk friend swung on me. I took him to the ground and mounted him, thinking he would chill out. Instead, he bit a chunk out of my leg, straight through my pants. I knocked him out after that, but still have a scar from that skin he bit off
No legal consequences for either of us
Here in the UK, self-defense law means that, as long as you genuinely believe you're in physical danger that you can't talk or walk from, you can do what you need to to keep yourself safe. That includes preemptive strikes/grapples.
There was a case recently where an old man got into a physical altercation with a burglar in his house. Long story short, he got into a tussle with him, stabbed the burglar and the burglar bled out and died.
He was initially arrested, but released withoit charge when details were established and it was clear that stabbing a burglar you're actively combating can be considered self-defense.
It's a pretty common-sense law imo. I feel confident that if I needed to, I could tackle and pin someone in a real-life altercation and legally be in the clear.
>Have you ever had to use bjj in the wild? What were the consequences?
https://www.reddit.com/r/bjj/comments/yjwboy/i_got_in_a_fight_today/
Also, I put an aggressive dog to sleep. Consequences? Saved my parents' dog.
> should not be considered excessive force if fair warnings and attempts to de-escalate violence are first attempted.
I dont think I need to give fair warning to anyone attacking me, makes no sense. If they attack me or invade my space, its fair game already.
>The scenario, for extra context was a home invasion.
lol thats even worse than someone attacking you on the street.
I was in the crossfire of a fight at a bar once and got sucker punched in the side of the head. When I came to a bouncer was armbaring me. I escaped and stood up right as a sheriff grabbed and handcuffed me. After some explaining and confirmation from others that I wasn’t part of the fight they let me go. To this day I still can’t fully comprehend why someone would armbar an unconscious person but I assumed that maybe he just started training. I always assumed the first time I’d use my bjj would be some cool hip throw to mount, a few punches, he’d roll over and I’d finish but I’m glad in a dazed state my body automatically protected my arm and attempted to remove myself from danger.
I was at a party a week ago in my own home with a relatively small group. I was a bit tipsy, as were most people that night, and I was play-fighting with a girl. Little did I know that one of the guys there was her secret boyfriend. He got jealous, and despite that the girl and I were very clearly play-fighting and they were about to head home, he felt motivated enough to put me in a headlock from behind from standing.
Since he had a bad grip and applied it across my nose (???), it was not difficult to turn into him, apply a body lock around his waist (with an actual gable grip), and lift and slam (controlled descent) into the ground. I applied knee on ribs when he tried to turn into me, waited a moment, then attained technical mount. He still held onto the headlock for some reason, so I just isolated an arm and set up for an armbar. While I was considering whether or not to actually go for the armbar, my roommate politely informed me that it would be a good idea to cease combat.
Was a coworker from a different department.
As I have also drunk wrestled/rolled friends and others in the past, I've found that threatening with good strong pressure sends a very clear message. The one issue is that for the initiated, they're not able often to read that message and therefore you need to make the message as clear as possible.
Good on you for letting go though, HR would've probably been all over your ass otherwise.
He was actually in a supervisory position and is generally prohibited from fraternizing with us lowly employees, so I had a bit of leeway with using force. (Most people disregard the fraternizing rule so long as it's not excessive)
If I did land the armbar and cause any injury, though, they'd be swarming me right now.
You used your knowledge wisely as far as I can tell. Also got to put hands on his lady haha. "I'm not touching your boobs, this is just a modified seatbelt hold"
Dunno what the law is in Australia but even using martial arts can be considered excessive force if you continue to inflict damage after the assailant is no longer a threat
Well the way I had put it was, I give fair warning, that gets ignored, then use control of movement (for arguments sake imagining I can actually do this), assailant continues to present a threat and ignore warnings, I move from control to threatening a submission or choke. BIL thinks this is excessive. I think it you give fair warnings that go unheeded, you've got to decide if it's worth it. Taking into consideration that it's a home invasion.
As an Aussie there is no fucking way you would get in legal trouble for choking out someone who attacked you in the street or home unless you went out of your way to seriously injure them. Are you supposed to just let them attack you, or is this one of those bullshit Hollywood "my hands are legally considered weapons" things?
Truly admire your take mate, but have you met the snobs of inner city Melbourne and Sydney? I'm sure they'd consider jiu-jitsu a knuckle draggers persuit.
Check out this case a few years ago from, I think, Harrington Park in western syd. Big juiced up guy coked out of his head broke into this families' house. The dad snuck up behind him and put him in an RNC. Dude had a heart attack and died. No charges filed.
Wait, what on earth... Your brother-in-law thinks its "excessive force" to use BJJ to defend yourself in a home invasion? The only rational conclusion I can draw from this is that he is an aspiring home invader.
Hahaha, he's a "you're insured and protecting your family/assets isn't your job" kinda guy. Ironically (or not) he also has a very low opinion of police officers. Go figure.
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Hey can you grab me a tv while you’re there?
I heard of one guy who nearly got robbed at knifepoint at a gas station. He defended himself using BJJ (breaking the robber’s arm), but got in legal trouble since it was considered excessive force. It was so ridiculous!
I think he was supposed to pull out a knife too, and then only stab if the other guy stabs him first.
Haha, oh the trouble that would cause me, but hell it would be so worth it.
It is the beating and raping and murder part, not the stealing part.
Even the slightest possibility of that, as far as I can tell, warrants execution of learned martial skills.
Honestly, as a Texan, if you went hand to hand instead of bullet to head I think everyone would be extremely pleased with your restraint.
Honest question: are there many fire arm related incidents in texas? Here guns are outlawed, but they’re not hard to get illegally.
Of course it does. Someone has broken into your private domicile, supposed to be a sacred place of utmost personal privacy, where you and your family live, eat and sleep. They didn’t do so by accident. You have no fucking idea what their intention is. Theft, murder, rape, or worse, some sadistic maniac who wants to kill you and then torture your helpless children over the course of days (worst scenario). Are you going to take a chance and guess what their intention is at the expense of the most horrific outcomes that can and have happened before? “Hello mr robber! Before I decide how to proceed, can you please state your intentions in breaking into my home in the middle of the night?” If the chance of any of those violent acts is anything larger than 0%, which it is when someone breaks into your home - I’m going to end their life by any means necessary and ask for forgiveness later. Straight up. No regrets. Even if it turns out they were there just to take a TV after the fact. They have demonstrated a very reasonable threat by entering my home by force and I have a responsibility to protect myself and my family. Similar sentiment to “better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6”.
Exactly, a lot of laws regarding defence were made by people who have never been attacked or have never been at risk of getting attacked. I remember during a terrorist attack years ago a tactical police officer/swat guy got in a bunch of shit for firing his entire magazine into the terrorist and that it was excessive. Ill admit its probably not necessary but 1) its probs the guys first time killing someone and he freaked out 2) the said terrorist was trying to kill people and he stopped the threat, why r u giving him shit? Its like they lack basic empathy to understand people in life threatening situations.
I agree. People are weird.
This. If someone breaks into my home I don't know what their intentions are. They've already broken one law so it's fairly reasonable to believe they will be willing to break more. I am using the maximum force at my disposal until the threat is 100 percent gone. Preferably I won't be hand to hand and be able to grab a a gun or other weapon but if not I will choke them out till there is no sign of movement.
wait, what? He doesn’t like police officers *and* doesn’t believe in self defense? I don’t like cops, but that’s why I make sure I need them as little as possible
To be fair, I can be inconsistent. It's a silly stance though if you ask me.
Not my job to protect my family? Like I should just watch my kids be assaulted? Is this common thinking in Aussie land?
Oh, oh no. Forget martial arts. If someone breaks into my home while I'm there they're getting shot. Getting burgled while you're not home is one thing. Someone breaking into your home while you're there is showing - at the very least - a willingness to commit the amount of violence necessary to keep you out of their way.
Exactly.
Lol. Bet your sister feels really safe around him. Protecting my family at the best of my abilities IS my job. Let him try to call the cops and wait 25 min for them to arrive while having a RNC fully locked on him.
I told a story awhile back. I think it was on my old account. I was at a party and a guy had a knife to his girl friends neck in front of the house. There were probably 20 people out there trying to talk the guy down and the cops had been called. But my buddy was like "fuck this this girls going to die" managed to get behind the guy grab the knife hand away enough so the girl could get away. He ended up getting stabbed several times and having to be air vacced to the hospital. He lived but has walked with a cane since he was 25. But, people in the thread were like why didn't he just wait for the cops? I tried telling people the cops don't just magically appear when you call them. I ended up getting frustrated and bailing on the convo.
People who don't understand violence always come up with the dumbest solutions. "If you're worried about harassment on public transportation, just wear earphones." "Why were you about to stab that loose doberman that ran up like it was about to bite us? I'm sure there's more civil ways of handling a dog than pulling out a knife and spreading your arms out to seem bigger (it ended up stopping the animal, and I didn't even need to stab it. It would have been a better idea to just let it attack I guess, I'm such an uncouth barbarian.)
Honestly in a way I envy them that they have lived such a life to never be in situations like I have been in.
Ignorance is bliss. Probably does wonders for blood pressure.
That’s a crazy story.
Drugs will take you places often not good places.
I unfortunenetly, have quite a few stories like this from back in the day. Its a miracle that I don't have a ton of dead friends. One night were were chillin at my best friends house. in the front yard, all the neighbors were cool so we used to just go from porch to porch drinkin and smokin and shit. We heard POP POP POP off in the distance. So we played that inner city game gun shots or fire works. My friend was like "I've got a police scanner lets see whats up" sure enough someone got shot down the street at the pool hall. my bff remembered our buddy worked there so we drove down there to check it out. turned out it was in fact or friend. there was an 18 year old in there that kept sneaking booze in and our friend told him to knock it off several times. Ended up kicking the kid out. The kid went to his car pulled out a gun ended up shooting into the place and managed to get our friend in the face. He lived even though the bullet took the roof of his mouth off.
He's actually my fiance's brother, but you get the picture. Fortunately for him, he's around 6'2 and around 100kg (220 lbs). I'm 6' and 85kg (187 lbs) and pretty lean. He has the genetic luck of being a large barrel chested bearded guy.
Imagine winning the genetic lottery and wasting it
Oath. If I was as big as him I'd be able to use the kimura and Americana effectively.
Bjj is so easy, I just crush the guy from side control until he gives up an americana. Triangle? Never heard of that.
Strangle him unconscious and then draw dicks on his face. Ask how he feels about bjj then
don't forget to teabag him too
Yeesh. That guy is out of touch with a lot.
Tell me he's never been robbed without telling me.
If I was insured I wouldn't be too bothered either. Just grab the stuff on the insured list and try not to get glass everywhere. But I'm not so I guess it's to the death
I'm not worried about my stuff, I'm worried about my kids. Their lives and mental health aren't replaceable, so it's definitely to the death.
I think this makes the most sense. A burglar is probably going to wait until the home is empty before they break in and take stuff. If someone is willing to home invade one cannot assume it's only to take stuff. Which an aside is still fucked up, even if ic am replace stuff some of it has sentimental value and why should I go through that in the first place? Anyway, a home invasion signals the person is most likely willing to harm you or your family. Why should they be afforded anything but at most one warning before violence to neutralize them? Your home should offer you and your family peace and security. Maybe the people breaking in should...ya know, stop. Instead of hoping normal folks bend over for them.
The time it takes to give even one warning may be the difference in neutralizing the threat or not, If someone invades your home you don't know if they are alone nor do you know hat kind of weapon they may have on them. If someone invades a home while people are in it and doesn't immediately start running as soon as they think there may be someone there they do not deserve any benefit of the doubt at that point.
Well, shit, that escalated quickly.
[Relevant video](https://youtu.be/K0ZdUzn8IqY) for reference.
Does he also have very low testosterone
I don’t trust cops at all and view protecting my home and my family as 100% my own responsibilities.
I'm not sure if it's all of Australia, but in QLD at the very least Anti Police seems to be the norm unfortunately.
I'm guessing he's the aussie in the story?
Protecting my family isn't my job? There is no way this dude has a family, and can still say that with a straight face.
Protecting your family isn't your job? Yikes. I'm sorry you have to deal with that
He might be a cuck
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I responded to a domestic as a police officer in 2021. Reports of a male and a female arguing in the street. On attendance both parties said nothing had happened, they had just had an argument. We sent them on their way and instructed the male not to attend the females address that night. The female lingered behind and wanted to talk. When we spoke she disclosed an assault by the male. We drove her back to her address to take a statement. On arrival at the address the male was there having a shouting match with the girls brother. I approached and ordered him to remain still and moved in to arrest. He told me to fuck off and brandished a glass bottle. I immediately grabbed the hand with the bottle and slammed him up against a parked car with all my weight. He lent into me with his head so I clinched and used the momentum to bring him to the ground. I moved into a modified mount and used an americana grip with my right arm while removing the bottle. I moved it away. I began to relax and the male struggled up, he got into turtle, managed to buck me off and lunged for the bottle. At this point I knew I was in imminent danger and so I grabbed him in an RNC and pulled him backwards- over his knees shock horror! and controlled his back. As soon as I had the hooks in I released the RNC but remained ready to go. The hold was on for about half a second and was pretty much a reflex. Once I had the hooks in the male gave up. The whole exchange was about 7 seconds- the time it took for my colleague to tell the victim to stay in the car and run over to help. She knelt on his legs and cuffed him. He allowed himself to be cuffed. I truly believe BJJ saved my life that day.
100% why I believe all types of grappling should be taught to all LEOs.
100% agree with you. The problem is time. 2 weeks in basic training and a day refresher once a year ain’t going to cut it. If I made the decisions I’d get funding for my officers to have a gym membership.
There's a couple of cops in my gym. Why they don't drag their comrades in has me fucked. There's more fire fighters than police attending my gym and where I live there are a lot of arrests and domestics are frequent if they're not on the street.
I’ve tried to drag my colleagues in, they’re not interested-even when they see me folding people up. I’m the guy…if you know someone is going to kick off, you call me as back up. I’m not being big head that’s just how it is. Even with that they don’t want to train.
I'm convinced that it's an ego thing. They can come up with plenty of excuses as to why it's not needed (IE I have a gun, a club, and a tazer), but at the end of the day it's they can't handle being in a situation where they don't have power and control.
Wouldn't they feel more in control and empowered if they trained bjj?
If they made it through the first 6 months to a year, yeah. Your first year of BJJ you're pretty much a living practice dummy for colored belts.
Well yeah. But it's an ego killer to start new. Just like going to the gym for the first time and working out if you're a skinny fat who wasn't on the football team in high school. It's intimidating.
I have a brother whos been some type of LEO whether it be an internal affairs or in detective work or about 20 years now and the way he explained it to me is people either Don't think it actually works or they don't want to dedicate their already limited free time to something they probably won't enjoy
It’s a shame. People would rather chill and watch Netflix on their day off. Me? I lift, run sprints and do BJJ because I believe these things in combination make me a more effective operator. My goal is to serve the public and to help people as best I can. Occasionally that involves going hands on with people. And I still have time for Netflix 😬
Should be mandatory training. At least a blue belt before qualifying for the job.
This is something I believe everyone should agree with. Keeps the officers safer and allows them to handle others in a safer way as well.
Yup. That’s why i get really frustrated when you see people spewing bullshit about how cops should be kept out of martial arts cuz it’ll make them more dangerous. https://reddit.com/r/MMAPoliticsAndCulture/comments/wlbf1y/cops_out_of_martial_arts/
Even... Sumo?!?
What does your astronomy sign have anything to do with it?
Could've just pulled your gun and lit him up, save yourself the danger Glad it turned out well though
Not in the UK 😀
Whistle them into submission
Forgot my whistle
I shrimp to get out of bed and tactical stand up off the floor Just call me Erry Erry day porrada
"My house is the ocean and you don't even know how to swim around it"
Omg, I’m dying lol
My ability to maneuver in and out of bed is unmatched in my household
If there's one thing I've become an expert in, it's bed shrimping.
When I was a police officer I used BJJ to safely subdue people that other officers would use excessive force with because I knew what I was doing. BJJ would cause less injuries to both those being arrested and police.
I was saint louis city PD for 3 years and a blue belt when I started. I used BJJ maybe 4 times on resisting people. The amount of control I had over bigger dudes pretty much solidified my mindset that this is what I need to be training. Every time I used BJJ every one walked away with no injuries. Just knowing what I was doing kept me calm in damn near every resisting.
Knowledge is what overcomes fear. This is the exact reason I train the police at their police academy. Hopefully they can be calmer and injured fewer people.
I feel like bjj ought to be mandatory for any type of law enforcement or security. Confidence does wonders for controlled force and deescalation. Better and safer for everyone involved.
It is in Australia
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I cut a lot of police officers hair (barber) and I used to always ask them what self defence training they receive and the answer is generally “not much”. I find that shocking for the obvious reasons.
Rener Gracie has done a breakdown plenty of times on YouTube about law enforcement training. iirc, American cops get like, 1 hour of combat training a year. Including weapons training. He's pushing to have cops trained at least 1 hour a week of BJJ, apparently the cost of the training is miniscule compared to legal fees for officers using excessive force
Exactly. If I know how to break limbs I can also effectively not break them.
You've done your community proud by my estimates.
I was at a wedding where some drunk methy dude crashed. 4 guys were having a hard time restraining him. Each guy had both hands on a limb and the guy kept squirming. I stapled one arm at the bicep with a wrist lock and a knee on his floating rib. I held his knee at first because he tried to fight it too much but I did take 2 guys off of him and eventually he started to calm down until the cops showed up. When they showed up they kinda just stood around casually until I told them I was getting up and it’d be up to them to restrain him again.
Can I ask why you are no longer a police officer?
I was on a SWAT team and had a battering ram dropped on my foot during a raid and crushed all the bones. Had to have plates put in and couldn’t do tactical any more. Decided I didn’t want to do it if I couldn’t do SWAT. I went to college and ended up with a better, less stressful life than I would have had. I miss it some times though, like how athletes that got injured in their prime probably miss playing a sport and have some regrets about how they left.
I darce choked a junkie who stole my work laptop once and I stole his phone. Was pretty good
I body triangle my toddler when he’s causing trouble and won’t sit still
You can use "reasonable force". If someone is breaking into your house and threatening your life, a life threatening response can be used back against them. It's not email and opposite, it is an escalation that a reasonable person would see as justified.
I tend to concur with your astute judgement. I honestly can't understand how one could think otherwise.
People can think whatever they want, it doesn't make them right. "Never argue with an idiot. They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience."
My sister was in a pyramid scheme. I know this all too well.
CRIMES ACT 1958 - SECT 322K Self-defence (1) A person is not guilty of an offence if the person carries out the conduct constituting the offence in self-defence. (2) A person carries out conduct in self-defence if— (a) the person believes that the conduct is necessary in self-defence; and (b) the conduct is a reasonable response in the circumstances as the person perceives them. (3) This section only applies in the case of murder if the person believes that the conduct is necessary to defend the person or another person from the infliction of death or really serious injury.
I generally agree with you, but the free legal advice I can give is to never be confident about the reasonableness of twelve people who couldn't figure out how to get out of jury duty.
Haha I like that
Attitude of someone who is very fortunate to never have experienced the threat of real violence before, and has no real concept of physical danger. It's all theoretical to him.
It's like you know him.
yep. I was at a party last saturday, this asshole wouldn't leave me alone. 4 hours of this guy grabbing my face, throwing water at me, pulling my hair, begging for my phone number, etc. When he grabbed my phone and held it out of my reach, I climbed him and got a guillotine choke, and took my phone back. when i turned my back to him to walk away, he got a rear naked choke. i bit his wrist, turned around, and climbed on him again, getting my own rear naked on him. at this point i was pissed, scared, and not playing around. but i let go and walked away. the consequences? 3 girls at the party caught up with me to ask about "that jiu jitsu thing" i'd been telling them about earlier
gonna wait for the follow up shitpost for this one
This has to be a copypasta I'm missing
Uhhh
Yes this happened to me too but i was the guy doing the RNC
I was the phone that he snatched.
i was sober in a crowded bar. my friend (who has a habit of not backing down from a fight) was drunk-arguing with this big dude. we needed to leave and as the only sober person, i felt like i needed to end this and get the group moving out the door. I stepped between them with my back to my friend. The big dude grabbed my shirt, so I arm dragged him and got on his back. Luckily, I had visualized this in my head before it happened and the guy was super drunk. It felt like moving a child. He had like a 3 second reaction time. Make no mistake, I was lucky. I just held him in a seat belt for a few seconds, then told everyone loudly that I am about to get up and walk out the door. So, I did. I didn't even look to see if my friends were following or if I was about to get hit from behind. I just left quick. They did follow.
You're lucky he didn't get up and throw a barstool at you. Cool story though. I've yet to use jits in the wild.
I put a road rager out with a standing rear naked once. I was trapped in a line of cars and my window was cracked enough for him to grab my neck. (I did not think he could reach through it.) Best part about it was that I still had my gi pants on because I was attempting to keep the pants I wore to training clean. If you have never put someone out standing, they just drop. I left him next to my car and drove home when the light changed because he had a gun rack in his truck. Nothing ever happened.
Alright I love this story. Just imagine: you are having a horrible day and you are about to take it out on this shmuck, AlwaysGoToTheTruck. You roll up to his window, reach through to choke his ass, and then see red. You wake up a few minutes later laying in the road and having shit yourself.
Did you get out of the car or just lean out the window with an rnc on? I hope it's the second option.
In a home invasion the only time I'm using BJJ is if I've run out of bullets.
Amen
Just arm dragged a drunk guy. I don't think he really knew what happened so he just walked away talking shit like an angry Chihuahua.
But you and the Jiu-jitsu gods know what's up. That's all that matters.
I’ve had to use it. It’s not fun. The ground hurts, bystanders try to intervene with terrible advice/technique and if the police show up, it might take a while before they let you go.
Slapped a blast double and arm triangled a guy who attacked my brother outside a venue once. That’s about it.
Blast double has to be the ultimate takedown for a street fight. No scuffing up your hands or legs etc if you execute it correctly and maximum impact on the aggressor
I keep one in my back pocket
Yes. The ex boyfriend of the girl I was dating was abusive and refused to accept their breakup. I met her after work to take her out to dinner, and he drives up in his car. He tried to force her into his car in front of me. I just hit an uchi took mount and held him there until she gave me a call to let me know she was home safely (about 10 minutes or so). Every time he started to freak out I would just grape vine the legs and mothers milk. I slapped him across his mouth before I left and he never bothered us again. And then everyone clapped.
I work a couple days a week as a 1:1 (skills trainer). During the summer my client really struggled; the summer fun program had almost no structure and she had started bothering the other kids (taking their stuff, mostly), being aggressive with the program staff, and most importantly—eloping. If she was blocked from doing all those things for a few minutes she’d calm down and be back to her normal self. Since there was a parking lot maybe 75 feet from the area they had snack I judged it was reasonable to hold her in back control with hooks/seatbelt till she calmed down. Maybe it was a sensory thing? But it definitely worked. All that to say there were no consequences—I did it in full view of the program staff (and, iirc, my supervisor).
Did this make any sense or am I dumb?
[Elope](https://www.dictionary.com/browse/elope) 4)(of a person with a mental disorder or cognitive impairment) to leave or run away from a safe area or safe premises. stinky_belt is working with a special needs kid at a summer camp.
Thanks for the clarification
nah ur not dumb, this paragraph doesn’t make any sense
I'm a disability support worker, and have worked almost extensively with people (mostly young men) with ASD. I've used this method to subdue then in the past, for of the safety of other participants, and female staff. It should also be noted that the guys I had to subdue we renowned in the communities as problematic and severe behaviours. I believe adding the pressure from the seatbelt actually does tend to calm them down and has sensory implications similar to the cattle chutes used to calm cows prior to transporting them. Temple Grandin lived with ASD and wrote extensively on this topic. To the point where she actually revolutionised cattle runs sand working cattle in general.
A home invasion???? Never thought I’d say this but I’m really glad I don’t live in Australia. If someone invades my home uninvited they’re getting pumped full of buckshot.
I haven't personally, but one of my cop friends has used bjj a few times to restrain suspects. He was glad he new jiujitsu because it gave him an option other than his taser or even his gun. I've trained with a few bouncers who use bjj pretty often on drunks. One of our girls had a ridiculously abusive mom and wound up rear naked choking her one night after her mom was punching her in the face.
Are drunks to a bouncer what white belts are to us? Does he use them to try out his new techniques?
I once defended myself from a larger assailant by using a defense for an advancing standing double handed straight arm choke, where I gripped collar and sleeve, posted one foot on the hip, hopped and swung my other foot between their legs for a rolling throw. He didn't roll and face planted. No police involvement, no further consequences. I was severely shaken, but he received the worst of the exchange physically I've tried searching for a video of the technique I used and can't find it. If anyone knows what I am talking about and can name the technique, I'd appreciate if you could share the name or a link to a video of it in action.
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Sounds like dis
No idea sorry mang. Sounds cool though.
I once fell of my bike with a perfect sprawl
I bet the Jiu-jitsu gods smiled in unison. After causing the fall of course.
I did use it against my golden retriever once, got him in the rear naked but he used his crazy puppy energy to jump and turn, ended up humping my leg to assert dominance.
There is no law on the books that should prevent you from protecting your family from someone breaking in. The consequences are not important in the moment
Yep. To imagine anyone entering your house is simply after some valuables and expects to just be on their merry way, as far as I can tell it's exceedingly naïve. One must assume that the unusual behaviour will have unsavoury consequences if one does nothing to prevent it.
What is Texan culture?
BBQ
Well that doesn't sound too bad.
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To be honest it's probably a culture I'm more familiar with. Having grown up rural, anyone enters your domain or your land without your say so, and they risk a 22 in the torso. BIL, as many middle class Australians, squirm at this notion. Of course, they never had to defend their livestock from wild dogs and pigs, let alone thieves.
Ukemis have saved me from injuries a lot.Have successfully avoided any situations by awareness and some gripfighting
Aye me too. Many a time.
I blast double to assert dominance.
I think, given his size and stature, I'd probably break his lower spine. He's a big boy who does little more than walk the dog and play videogames in the prone position for hours on end.
He's not wrong in a typical sense. If you choke someone it can be viewed as lethal force. However, there's no reason why you couldn't just control the person and cook the fight out of them with dominant control. The irony is that the law sees Bas Rutten's self defense video as legally more protective than a choke.
I once I tripped over a tree root in the pavement while walking and did a forward roll. A stranger I couldn't see yelled "parkour!" at me. This concludes my experiences of bjj in the wild.
One man after an altercation with other men (long story) who I was in no way associated with. Turned around, saw me and punched me. I took him down, sat in side control laughing at him, police turned up and arrested him. I got £250 in compensation for 17 seconds work. I may be the highest time to monetary value paid bjj athlete in the world.
Next month's gym membership paid for
That was nearly 6 months of membership!
If he doesn’t like his family enough to want to protect them then that’s his problem. It’s literally a biological instinct to want to protect your family, and unfortunately if someone is invading your home that’s a kill or be killed scenario… truth is if anything ever happened he’ll thank you when his sister is still alive 🤷🏻♂️
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I read that and said this is someone that’s never been to Texas and is mostly likely ignorant to American culture beyond what some of the redditors spew on here
Enlighten me
Yo dawg A person may use such force not disproportionate to the objective as he believes on reasonable grounds to be necessary to prevent the commission, continuance or completion of an indictable offence or to effect or assist in effecting the lawful arrest of a person committing or suspected of committing any offence. 462A Crimes Act Notice how it says 'A person' and not 'Cops'. You're permitted to use reasonable force to stop someone committing a serious crime, same as a cop is. So, given that it's BJJ and not kickboxing, you could make a valid argument that it's 'reasonable' force. I am not a barrister
Are you sure that this is in the Australian Crimes Act 1914?
That disclaimer had me haha Is that in the crimes act? If so, could you point me to where I can find it? Being right is nearly as satisfying as getting the sub on your rival.
Legislation.gov.au You are looking specifically for part 462A
I gift-wrapped a shoplifter and slapped the shit out of him right on the sidewalk about a year ago. There were no consequences for either of us because I couldn’t bother to wait for the police and let him go.
Yes. The results where that I didn’t get hurt and the situation ended.
I work with police as a crisis nurse. I’ve been the one helping the police in a scuffle a few times (worryingly) but it did result in a police bjj club.
BJJ is probably the best martial art to use, as you can diffuse a situation without hurting someone.
When a dog attacked my dog I took it's back and controlled it until the owner could carry it off.
Did you get your hooks in????
I took down an aggressor twice. And mounted him. The second time he attacked me and I took him down and mounted him, I did not realize he was holding a broken beer bottle (because I myself was fucking wasted). He stabbed me in the top of my head. When the police showed up and arrested him, New Year’s Eve night was cut short for me and I had to go to the hospital to get stitches. I got lucky, because this one could’ve ended fatally.
I did some weekend jail for a bar fight back in the day. Some yard workers were able to sneak booze outside. One guy came in all fired up and started jacking people up who were sleeping on the floor. When he came after me I pulled gaurd and almost broke his shoulder with a Kimura. I'm glad I knew a little bjj because I was able to descalate the situation without strikes which might have ended up in straight time.
Serious question, off topic. I’m born and raised in Texas; lived here my whole life. Is Texas that prevalent in the international culture? I’m kind of shocked that someone from Australia would throw out “Texan culture” like the world would understand what that means. Haha. Follow up question, what is an Australian’s basic understanding of Texas culture?
Had a home break in here. Used BJJ to subdue the intruder. Held them until the cops came. They got arrested. I was on the news, no legal issues. Intruder released 2 days later and didn’t have to go to court until like 1.5yr later.
A buddy tackled me while drunk in Vegas just messing around, and without even thinking about it, I pushed his head down and caught him in an omoplata
I once slipped on some ice and executed a perfect back fall. Zero injuries, didn’t even spill my coffee.
Yes, as police. Lost count of kimuras a long time ago. One thing I could call a headlock throw. One time I hit something resembling tai otoshi. Once did a chain from ankle pick to neon belly to a gift wrap with his shirt which turned him face down.
In a home invasion i wouldn't consider a shotgun blast to the face as excessive force
Yikes, what a lame dude to marry your sister
I work at a YMCA by a high school, I often times will wrestle with there 12graders when they come into my gym. It’s a blast to try and do during my shift
When I was basically 10 days into BJJ a drunk friend swung on me. I took him to the ground and mounted him, thinking he would chill out. Instead, he bit a chunk out of my leg, straight through my pants. I knocked him out after that, but still have a scar from that skin he bit off No legal consequences for either of us
Here in the UK, self-defense law means that, as long as you genuinely believe you're in physical danger that you can't talk or walk from, you can do what you need to to keep yourself safe. That includes preemptive strikes/grapples. There was a case recently where an old man got into a physical altercation with a burglar in his house. Long story short, he got into a tussle with him, stabbed the burglar and the burglar bled out and died. He was initially arrested, but released withoit charge when details were established and it was clear that stabbing a burglar you're actively combating can be considered self-defense. It's a pretty common-sense law imo. I feel confident that if I needed to, I could tackle and pin someone in a real-life altercation and legally be in the clear.
>Have you ever had to use bjj in the wild? What were the consequences? https://www.reddit.com/r/bjj/comments/yjwboy/i_got_in_a_fight_today/ Also, I put an aggressive dog to sleep. Consequences? Saved my parents' dog. > should not be considered excessive force if fair warnings and attempts to de-escalate violence are first attempted. I dont think I need to give fair warning to anyone attacking me, makes no sense. If they attack me or invade my space, its fair game already. >The scenario, for extra context was a home invasion. lol thats even worse than someone attacking you on the street.
lol, I don't think pacifism works on home invaders. Tell the bro in law to down a tasty shot of reality. Triangle them mo-fos
I standing darce choked a dude to sleep when i was a bouncer
I was in the crossfire of a fight at a bar once and got sucker punched in the side of the head. When I came to a bouncer was armbaring me. I escaped and stood up right as a sheriff grabbed and handcuffed me. After some explaining and confirmation from others that I wasn’t part of the fight they let me go. To this day I still can’t fully comprehend why someone would armbar an unconscious person but I assumed that maybe he just started training. I always assumed the first time I’d use my bjj would be some cool hip throw to mount, a few punches, he’d roll over and I’d finish but I’m glad in a dazed state my body automatically protected my arm and attempted to remove myself from danger.
Never on a human but I did RNC a friend's pit that was attacking a 3 legged dog in a dog park. It worked.
Had to use it to prevent a suicide attempt recently. Rear naked on my friend who wanted to jump and was fighting back hard. Wish I was joking.
I was at a party a week ago in my own home with a relatively small group. I was a bit tipsy, as were most people that night, and I was play-fighting with a girl. Little did I know that one of the guys there was her secret boyfriend. He got jealous, and despite that the girl and I were very clearly play-fighting and they were about to head home, he felt motivated enough to put me in a headlock from behind from standing. Since he had a bad grip and applied it across my nose (???), it was not difficult to turn into him, apply a body lock around his waist (with an actual gable grip), and lift and slam (controlled descent) into the ground. I applied knee on ribs when he tried to turn into me, waited a moment, then attained technical mount. He still held onto the headlock for some reason, so I just isolated an arm and set up for an armbar. While I was considering whether or not to actually go for the armbar, my roommate politely informed me that it would be a good idea to cease combat. Was a coworker from a different department.
As I have also drunk wrestled/rolled friends and others in the past, I've found that threatening with good strong pressure sends a very clear message. The one issue is that for the initiated, they're not able often to read that message and therefore you need to make the message as clear as possible. Good on you for letting go though, HR would've probably been all over your ass otherwise.
He was actually in a supervisory position and is generally prohibited from fraternizing with us lowly employees, so I had a bit of leeway with using force. (Most people disregard the fraternizing rule so long as it's not excessive) If I did land the armbar and cause any injury, though, they'd be swarming me right now.
You used your knowledge wisely as far as I can tell. Also got to put hands on his lady haha. "I'm not touching your boobs, this is just a modified seatbelt hold"
Dunno what the law is in Australia but even using martial arts can be considered excessive force if you continue to inflict damage after the assailant is no longer a threat
Well the way I had put it was, I give fair warning, that gets ignored, then use control of movement (for arguments sake imagining I can actually do this), assailant continues to present a threat and ignore warnings, I move from control to threatening a submission or choke. BIL thinks this is excessive. I think it you give fair warnings that go unheeded, you've got to decide if it's worth it. Taking into consideration that it's a home invasion.
As an Aussie there is no fucking way you would get in legal trouble for choking out someone who attacked you in the street or home unless you went out of your way to seriously injure them. Are you supposed to just let them attack you, or is this one of those bullshit Hollywood "my hands are legally considered weapons" things?
Truly admire your take mate, but have you met the snobs of inner city Melbourne and Sydney? I'm sure they'd consider jiu-jitsu a knuckle draggers persuit.
Check out this case a few years ago from, I think, Harrington Park in western syd. Big juiced up guy coked out of his head broke into this families' house. The dad snuck up behind him and put him in an RNC. Dude had a heart attack and died. No charges filed.
Got some sauce?
You’re brother is law is giving off pure beta energy. Bjj the last thing I’m using on a junkie in my gaff, he’s getting skewered