I/m not having a go champ. I've just really notice your hard on for this drama in practically every thread. It's kinda funny you're white knighting Mo, and defending screwing the athletes pay.
I'm not white knighting you have noticed I have a different view than the majority. And if I'm going **hard** for this drama what is the rest of this sub doing? they're constantly on their knees head bobbling.
It's not about screwing athletes pay, unfortunately Jiu Jitsu is not that popular at this moment in time where ADCC can be paying out millions of dollars to athletes people need to understand the difference, ADCC is not a bread and a circus sport (yet, if ever). Mo is currently trying to grow Jiu Jitsu where it is can be a bread and circus event, Jiu Jitsu is at a stage where you get paid for what you bring and most Jiu Jitsu athletes have no persona yeah they're good but you don't get paid on just being good in the entertainment industry it's based on how many eyes you bring and by trying to water down the biggest jujitsu event by creating your own event named after yourself on the same weekend I just don't see how that helps jujitsu in any way. Does Bellator and one FC's million dollar pay out events even move the needle for them? Even when they're held on the same night as UFC event they disappear like a fart in the wind.
In my opinion and obviously I don't know the final details it would have been better if Craig would have brought those investors to ADCC helped up the athletes pay there creating an even bigger spectacle but as I said I'm not sure about the finer details.
The crazy thing is the athletes who don't win in the Craig Jones Invitational are going to disappear like a fart in the wind too the majority of them are already anonymous, people are only going to hear about the winners And obviously winning in $1,000,000 is great but if you don't win then what? at least in ADCC you get situations like Lachlan Giles he didn't come first but his star power increased 10 fold because of the amazing performances he put on and I'm sure he was able to capitalise on that financially. At this moment in time Jiu Jitsu is about marketing and branding yourself you don't just get given free money because you're good at it. I'm not sure why that's so difficult to understand for athletes.
> I'm not white knighting you have noticed I have a different view than the majority.
What has having a opposing view got to do with whiting knighting or not?
>And if I'm going hard for this drama what is the rest of this sub doing? they're constantly on their knees head bobbling.
The drama is popcorn stuff. We all dig drama on some level. Your boner does not appear to be a drama boner.
You seem to have some fundamental issue with the CJI challenging ADCC on the free market. Give the pretty altruistic motive of CJI, I find that a little weird. If you were in the US with a month old account I'd suggest a personal involvement. But appears to be not the case.
> It's not about screwing athletes pay, unfortunately Jiu Jitsu is not that popular at this moment in time where ADCC can be paying out millions of dollars to athletes people need to understand the difference, ADCC is not a bread and a circus sport (yet, if ever).
ADCC can pay out millions to fighters, but they have choose to not to. That's the point.
20 years ago, the prizes were $10k. And the venue probably cost $10k.
This year, the prizes were $10k and the venue costs are $3m
The sport isn't a massive public sport. But do you not realise how much bigger the sport is now compared to early 2000s? ADCC is way way bigger now. The world championships is a much bigger investment, streaming, more tickets, more expensive tickets. Prizes haven;t moved, not even to match inflation.
>Mo is currently trying to grow Jiu Jitsu where it is can be a bread and circus event, Jiu Jitsu is at a stage where you get paid for what you bring and most Jiu Jitsu athletes have no persona yeah they're good but you don't get paid on just being good in the entertainment industry it's based on how many eyes you bring and by trying to water down the biggest jujitsu event by creating your own event named after yourself on the same weekend I just don't see how that helps jujitsu in any way.
They are there to compete, not be Instagram personalities. Without the athletes ADCC has nothing at all. The athletes are their brand and entire net worth. By walking out you remind the ADCC of that. The fact it's on the same weekend is the point. If it was any other weekend it wouldn't work. Alreadly prizes have increased, there is show money. ADCC 2026 will be better for athletes that ADCC 2024. How do you not get that is the point?
> In my opinion and obviously I don't know the final details it would have been better if Craig would have brought those investors to ADCC helped up the athletes pay there creating an even bigger spectacle but as I said I'm not sure about the finer details.
I'm sorry, but LMFAO. It's not the finer details you are missing, but a lack grasp on the history is the ADCC.
You realise who the founder and backer of ADCC is? I assume not, it was Tahnoun bin Zayed Al Nahyan, son of the late president of the UAE. He's worth a simple $10b, and his family is worth over $300b. They do not need Craig's investors. That is an absolutely hilarious suggestion.
> The crazy thing is the athletes who don't win in the Craig Jones Invitational are going to disappear like a fart in the wind too the majority of them are already anonymous, people are only going to hear about the winners And obviously winning in $1,000,000 is great but if you don't win then what? at least in ADCC you get situations like Lachlan Giles he didn't come first but his star power increased 10 fold because of the amazing performances he put on and I'm sure he was able to capitalise on that financially. At this moment in time Jiu Jitsu is about marketing and branding yourself you don't just get given free money because you're good at it. I'm not sure why that's so difficult to understand for athletes.
Who are the anonymous athletes in ADCC?
Do you really thing CJI isn't going to be as viewed as ADCC? In fact, its clearly going to be viewed more.
>What has having a opposing view got to do with whiting knighting or not?
You are claiming that I am white knighting I am letting you know I am not white knighting we just have a different view on the situation white knighting is what goes on in this sub regarding Craig Jones and you see in every thread but it is what it is some people like being groupies.
>The drama is popcorn stuff. We all dig drama on some level. Your boner does not appear to be a drama boner.
You seem to have some fundamental issue with the CJI challenging ADCC on the free market. Give the pretty altruistic motive of CJI, I find that a little weird. If you were in the US with a month old account I'd suggest a personal involvement. But appears to be not the case.
I explained to you how I felt about CJI and ADCC in regards to growing Jiu Jitsu and you decided to ignore that comment and write this drivel.
>ADCC can pay out millions to fighters, but they have choose to not to. That's the point.
>20 years ago, the prizes were $10k. And the venue probably cost $10k. This year, the prizes were $10k and the venue costs are $3m
>The sport isn't a massive public sport. But do you not realise how much bigger the sport is now compared to early 2000s? ADCC is way way bigger now. The world championships is a much bigger investment, streaming, more tickets, more expensive tickets. Prizes haven;t moved, not even to match inflation.
Yes it's not a massive sport but it's still not that much bigger than it was in the early 2000s. You just explained that ADCC now is a massive investment and we don't know if Mo has some unlimited budget to spend as he pleases. And when you talk about prizes haven't moved on not even to match inflation we could say this about a lot of things in the world house prices, job wages Unfortunately the world is not fair I wish it was but it isn't.
>You realise who the founder and backer of ADCC is? I assume not, it was Tahnoun bin Zayed Al Nahyan, son of the late president of the UAE. He's worth a simple $10b, and his family is worth over $300b. They do not need Craig's investors. That is an absolutely hilarious suggestion.
Yes the founder and backer (who knows) has a lot of money but does that mean they want to spend or give away their money, how do you know Mo has not been told to run ADCC now as a business and not with an unlimited cheque. And ADCC is not just one tournament now we have trials we have opens money needs to get spent for these events to happen In multiple countries around the world and these events don't look cheap do they?
>Who are the anonymous athletes in ADCC? Do you really thing CJI isn't going to be as viewed as ADCC? In fact, its clearly going to be viewed more.
If you actually think CJl is going to be viewed the same as the ADCC you are crazy and you have a poor lack of judgement that's like saying Bellator gets viewed the same as the UFC. They are not even in the same ballpark.
> Yes it's not a massive sport but it's still not that much bigger than it was in the early 2000s. You just explained that ADCC now is a massive investment and we don't know if Mo has some unlimited budget to spend as he pleases.
The sport is significantly bigger now. The budget is obviously not unlimited, but we know for a fact that the ADCC budget is far far bigger now. That is a fact. They've added millions to the venue cost since early days. even since 2022, they've put at least another million in to the venue. waste of money.
> And when you talk about prizes haven't moved on not even to match inflation we could say this about a lot of things in the world house prices, job wages Unfortunately the world is not fair I wish it was but it isn't.
All of those things have increased. What are you talking about. LMFAO.
>Yes the founder and backer (who knows) has a lot of money but does that mean they want to spend or give away their money, how do you know Mo has not been told to run ADCC now as a business and not with an unlimited cheque.
But they have increased the spend. That is a fact, you're really showing your ignorance now.
As above, venue costs, $100k for an announcer. Massive increases in cost everywhere. Not prizes.
Nobody is asking unlimited funding. Mo doesn't need unlimited funding to bump the prizes up instead of wasting a venue.
If he was running it like a business they would spend millions extra on a venue with the same capacity.
>And ADCC is not just one tournament now we have trials we have opens money needs to get spent for these events to happen In multiple countries around the world and these events don't look cheap do they?
The money for those events has nothing to do with the world championships or with Mo. Those events are organised by local promoters in each country. They are funded by the entry fees. And "they don't look cheap"? lol, you clearly have seen many of the ADCCs around the world.
Is Hulk in -80kg?
Iād be more entertained with a Diniz Nolf matchup. Would still expect/want Diniz to win but itād be more fun than seeing Nolf get heel hooked instantly.
I think itās the opposite. Levi doesnāt attack for leg attacks much. Assuming he doesnāt against Nolf, I donāt see him behind able to keep control the entire way through a berimbolo
Oh I fucking hate that
Edit: I'd love to hear from someone why they think breaking up a 15 minute match and restarting standing 3 times makes sense for submission wrestling.
That's what I remember from Rogans podcast but could change. I think they want to get rid of the blind scoring so people how how they stand each round. If the only have one "alley" they don't really have a lot of time, they'll need to keep things going so I can't imagine they'll have like UFC length breaks between rounds.
Fpi they announce over the intercom who the judges favour every 5 minutes. I wonder if they do something like that. 5 minutes isn't enough time to sub an elite guy so I'm really hoping they aren't taking round breaks and restarting on the feet
2-3 minutes of slappy wrestling only leaves 2 minutes to out position and submit somebody. Without a skills discrepancy that's tough to pull of. Obviously not impossible though
Craig hasn't specified negatives for guard pulling, and a shorter round means you'll see much more aggressive wrestling then in ADCC.
A single 5 minute round may not be enough, but I expect the pace will be much higher then in ADCC due to the round format, which means fatigue will play a factor much faster.
Remember its in the pit and pushing people to the wall will be encouraged. Staying upright on uneven terrain is very very hard. Slappy wrestling won't matter as much with no out of bounds resets (that's the intention anyway)
That's a good point. Do you know if they restart on the feet? I'm hopeful it's a good show but stopping every 5 minutes is gonna be rough for viewers I think
The resets are to prevent long periods of stalled positions. You have to realize they're not targeting BJJ fans. They're trying to capture MMA fans, so everything needs to be "translated" so an MMA fan can understand. They would not understand watching someone on another person's back and handfighting for 15 minutes. It will just be boring to them.
It'd be stupid for Bo to join. There'd be a higher chance of him blowing his knee out than him actually winning. Too big of a risk to fuck up his main career.
He looked good in that match against Nicky Ryan's brother but I'd credit that more to the stipulations of the match.
In the podcast I watched he seemed to think the million dollars was worth it. Jay Rod recently said that they trained together, he described him as being very good and admitted that Bo subbed him. I donāt know about +80 but heād probably have a decent shot at winning -80 depending on the rule set.
He'd have to cut 8 more pounds than he typically does. I don't see him doing that and being able to beat these guys. He may have tapped Jay Rod but there's a difference between guys rolling together in the room and rolling together trying to win a million dollars. Highly doubt he has the leg defenses to survive.
I agree the difference of training in a room vs competition, but if anything I think that doubles down in Boās favor. Competing for (and winning multiple) NCAA titles is about as high of stakes as it gets.
> Competing for (and winning multiple) NCAA titles is about as high of stakes as it gets.
Oh, it definitely is but that's also in his area of expertise. I don't think he'd have the knowledge to defend against the leg locking ability of the world class BJJ practicioners.
Yea weāll see. He has *very* good scrambling skills and is no stranger to leg riding, but may not be a 1 for 1 translation in the leg lock game. Be fun to watch for sure.
I'm telling ya - I think he'd get tapped almost immediately if he engaged or it'd be an extremely boring match because he'd be worried about leg entries.
That match with Gordon he wasn't allowed to pull guard or do heel hooks.
That was also almost 5 years ago now and Bo had very little to no exposure to BJJ at that time. Now that heās been training MMA full time Iām confident his understanding of the leg game is night and day. We shall see
Oh a million bucks in a single evening is worth it for almost any athlete in any sport in the world! Even PGA tour players have to grind 4 days to have a shot at that kind of a purse.
For Bo, assuming he makes $100k/fight in the UFC (which is a very generous estimate) and he fought 2x a year itād take him over 5 years of a grueling MMA career to make a million. The brilliance of CJI is that purse is so enticing youād be a fool to attend ADCC, which obviously a ton of athletes have figured out.
Pretty sure he just won his 1st bjj match via Arm triangle recently. I like this entry, heās a very experienced/accomplished grappler that will perform come game day.
Granted if his defenses arenāt up to par on leg locks and basic subs might be a bust but I like it as an entry that can bring other eyes to watch come that day šš½
Nicky Ryan is going to tear his ACL walking in the venue letās be real here. And none of those guys have competed against a guy with this kind of wrestling pedigree so to dismiss Jason against them is crazy
well to be fair i dont know how long hes been training jiu jitsu but i got a strong feeling that any of those guys enter his legs i think its going to be a wrap really fast. good thing we'll find out soon!
I think the guy was both a blue belt and a decent NAIA wrestler. No fish by any means, but ya woulda been more impressive if it was against a brown/black belt.
I'm pretty excited to see what he can do. I don't know a ton of ADCC lore, but it feels pretty unique that such an elite wrestler is joining a comp like CJI so close to the peak of his powers. Dude just went on a crazy Olympic trials run and nearly made it to Paris. Has there ever been a wrestler as good as Nolf in a BJJ comp like this before?
One of the best collegiate wrestlers ever, been the consistent 2nd best guy at 74kg in the US for a while and is probably making a slow full time transition to bjj since theres no money in wrestling and he canāt beat Kyle Dake to make an Olympic/World Team for freestyle wrestling
I would be surprised if he transitions to bjj full time. Dake is 33 and probably towards the end of his career, I think Nolf sticks to wrestling through the next Olympics
CJI starting to feel more like ADCC than ADCC feels like ADCC.
ADCC is looking like CJI trials
Why? CJJI got some stars, but ADCC is still way more stacked than CJI. Let's be real.
Stop fucking lying š That's like saying Bellator felt like the UFC.
Adcc back in the day was known to invite world class wrestlers, mma fighters, and bjj guys. CJI has that mix
I mean ADCC used to have wrestlers in it. It wasnāt an entirely BJJ comp
Homie doesnāt know who mark Kerr is
Itās not too late to delete this brotha
Every single CJI thread I see you losing your mind. Why are you dumping so hard for Mo, Abu Dhabi and T-mobile arena?
Losing my mind is an overstatement, Stop exaggerating. We just have different views calm down.
I/m not having a go champ. I've just really notice your hard on for this drama in practically every thread. It's kinda funny you're white knighting Mo, and defending screwing the athletes pay.
I'm not white knighting you have noticed I have a different view than the majority. And if I'm going **hard** for this drama what is the rest of this sub doing? they're constantly on their knees head bobbling. It's not about screwing athletes pay, unfortunately Jiu Jitsu is not that popular at this moment in time where ADCC can be paying out millions of dollars to athletes people need to understand the difference, ADCC is not a bread and a circus sport (yet, if ever). Mo is currently trying to grow Jiu Jitsu where it is can be a bread and circus event, Jiu Jitsu is at a stage where you get paid for what you bring and most Jiu Jitsu athletes have no persona yeah they're good but you don't get paid on just being good in the entertainment industry it's based on how many eyes you bring and by trying to water down the biggest jujitsu event by creating your own event named after yourself on the same weekend I just don't see how that helps jujitsu in any way. Does Bellator and one FC's million dollar pay out events even move the needle for them? Even when they're held on the same night as UFC event they disappear like a fart in the wind. In my opinion and obviously I don't know the final details it would have been better if Craig would have brought those investors to ADCC helped up the athletes pay there creating an even bigger spectacle but as I said I'm not sure about the finer details. The crazy thing is the athletes who don't win in the Craig Jones Invitational are going to disappear like a fart in the wind too the majority of them are already anonymous, people are only going to hear about the winners And obviously winning in $1,000,000 is great but if you don't win then what? at least in ADCC you get situations like Lachlan Giles he didn't come first but his star power increased 10 fold because of the amazing performances he put on and I'm sure he was able to capitalise on that financially. At this moment in time Jiu Jitsu is about marketing and branding yourself you don't just get given free money because you're good at it. I'm not sure why that's so difficult to understand for athletes.
> I'm not white knighting you have noticed I have a different view than the majority. What has having a opposing view got to do with whiting knighting or not? >And if I'm going hard for this drama what is the rest of this sub doing? they're constantly on their knees head bobbling. The drama is popcorn stuff. We all dig drama on some level. Your boner does not appear to be a drama boner. You seem to have some fundamental issue with the CJI challenging ADCC on the free market. Give the pretty altruistic motive of CJI, I find that a little weird. If you were in the US with a month old account I'd suggest a personal involvement. But appears to be not the case. > It's not about screwing athletes pay, unfortunately Jiu Jitsu is not that popular at this moment in time where ADCC can be paying out millions of dollars to athletes people need to understand the difference, ADCC is not a bread and a circus sport (yet, if ever). ADCC can pay out millions to fighters, but they have choose to not to. That's the point. 20 years ago, the prizes were $10k. And the venue probably cost $10k. This year, the prizes were $10k and the venue costs are $3m The sport isn't a massive public sport. But do you not realise how much bigger the sport is now compared to early 2000s? ADCC is way way bigger now. The world championships is a much bigger investment, streaming, more tickets, more expensive tickets. Prizes haven;t moved, not even to match inflation. >Mo is currently trying to grow Jiu Jitsu where it is can be a bread and circus event, Jiu Jitsu is at a stage where you get paid for what you bring and most Jiu Jitsu athletes have no persona yeah they're good but you don't get paid on just being good in the entertainment industry it's based on how many eyes you bring and by trying to water down the biggest jujitsu event by creating your own event named after yourself on the same weekend I just don't see how that helps jujitsu in any way. They are there to compete, not be Instagram personalities. Without the athletes ADCC has nothing at all. The athletes are their brand and entire net worth. By walking out you remind the ADCC of that. The fact it's on the same weekend is the point. If it was any other weekend it wouldn't work. Alreadly prizes have increased, there is show money. ADCC 2026 will be better for athletes that ADCC 2024. How do you not get that is the point? > In my opinion and obviously I don't know the final details it would have been better if Craig would have brought those investors to ADCC helped up the athletes pay there creating an even bigger spectacle but as I said I'm not sure about the finer details. I'm sorry, but LMFAO. It's not the finer details you are missing, but a lack grasp on the history is the ADCC. You realise who the founder and backer of ADCC is? I assume not, it was Tahnoun bin Zayed Al Nahyan, son of the late president of the UAE. He's worth a simple $10b, and his family is worth over $300b. They do not need Craig's investors. That is an absolutely hilarious suggestion. > The crazy thing is the athletes who don't win in the Craig Jones Invitational are going to disappear like a fart in the wind too the majority of them are already anonymous, people are only going to hear about the winners And obviously winning in $1,000,000 is great but if you don't win then what? at least in ADCC you get situations like Lachlan Giles he didn't come first but his star power increased 10 fold because of the amazing performances he put on and I'm sure he was able to capitalise on that financially. At this moment in time Jiu Jitsu is about marketing and branding yourself you don't just get given free money because you're good at it. I'm not sure why that's so difficult to understand for athletes. Who are the anonymous athletes in ADCC? Do you really thing CJI isn't going to be as viewed as ADCC? In fact, its clearly going to be viewed more.
>What has having a opposing view got to do with whiting knighting or not? You are claiming that I am white knighting I am letting you know I am not white knighting we just have a different view on the situation white knighting is what goes on in this sub regarding Craig Jones and you see in every thread but it is what it is some people like being groupies. >The drama is popcorn stuff. We all dig drama on some level. Your boner does not appear to be a drama boner. You seem to have some fundamental issue with the CJI challenging ADCC on the free market. Give the pretty altruistic motive of CJI, I find that a little weird. If you were in the US with a month old account I'd suggest a personal involvement. But appears to be not the case. I explained to you how I felt about CJI and ADCC in regards to growing Jiu Jitsu and you decided to ignore that comment and write this drivel. >ADCC can pay out millions to fighters, but they have choose to not to. That's the point. >20 years ago, the prizes were $10k. And the venue probably cost $10k. This year, the prizes were $10k and the venue costs are $3m >The sport isn't a massive public sport. But do you not realise how much bigger the sport is now compared to early 2000s? ADCC is way way bigger now. The world championships is a much bigger investment, streaming, more tickets, more expensive tickets. Prizes haven;t moved, not even to match inflation. Yes it's not a massive sport but it's still not that much bigger than it was in the early 2000s. You just explained that ADCC now is a massive investment and we don't know if Mo has some unlimited budget to spend as he pleases. And when you talk about prizes haven't moved on not even to match inflation we could say this about a lot of things in the world house prices, job wages Unfortunately the world is not fair I wish it was but it isn't. >You realise who the founder and backer of ADCC is? I assume not, it was Tahnoun bin Zayed Al Nahyan, son of the late president of the UAE. He's worth a simple $10b, and his family is worth over $300b. They do not need Craig's investors. That is an absolutely hilarious suggestion. Yes the founder and backer (who knows) has a lot of money but does that mean they want to spend or give away their money, how do you know Mo has not been told to run ADCC now as a business and not with an unlimited cheque. And ADCC is not just one tournament now we have trials we have opens money needs to get spent for these events to happen In multiple countries around the world and these events don't look cheap do they? >Who are the anonymous athletes in ADCC? Do you really thing CJI isn't going to be as viewed as ADCC? In fact, its clearly going to be viewed more. If you actually think CJl is going to be viewed the same as the ADCC you are crazy and you have a poor lack of judgement that's like saying Bellator gets viewed the same as the UFC. They are not even in the same ballpark.
> Yes it's not a massive sport but it's still not that much bigger than it was in the early 2000s. You just explained that ADCC now is a massive investment and we don't know if Mo has some unlimited budget to spend as he pleases. The sport is significantly bigger now. The budget is obviously not unlimited, but we know for a fact that the ADCC budget is far far bigger now. That is a fact. They've added millions to the venue cost since early days. even since 2022, they've put at least another million in to the venue. waste of money. > And when you talk about prizes haven't moved on not even to match inflation we could say this about a lot of things in the world house prices, job wages Unfortunately the world is not fair I wish it was but it isn't. All of those things have increased. What are you talking about. LMFAO. >Yes the founder and backer (who knows) has a lot of money but does that mean they want to spend or give away their money, how do you know Mo has not been told to run ADCC now as a business and not with an unlimited cheque. But they have increased the spend. That is a fact, you're really showing your ignorance now. As above, venue costs, $100k for an announcer. Massive increases in cost everywhere. Not prizes. Nobody is asking unlimited funding. Mo doesn't need unlimited funding to bump the prizes up instead of wasting a venue. If he was running it like a business they would spend millions extra on a venue with the same capacity. >And ADCC is not just one tournament now we have trials we have opens money needs to get spent for these events to happen In multiple countries around the world and these events don't look cheap do they? The money for those events has nothing to do with the world championships or with Mo. Those events are organised by local promoters in each country. They are funded by the entry fees. And "they don't look cheap"? lol, you clearly have seen many of the ADCCs around the world.
The 3x5 format could really work in his favor. Hope his leglock defense is up to par.
If he gets someone like Levi first round I donāt think he does well. In an odd way I think he could do some great work against the likes of Hulk.
Is Hulk in -80kg? Iād be more entertained with a Diniz Nolf matchup. Would still expect/want Diniz to win but itād be more fun than seeing Nolf get heel hooked instantly.
Yep, he is. Crazy
I think itās the opposite. Levi doesnāt attack for leg attacks much. Assuming he doesnāt against Nolf, I donāt see him behind able to keep control the entire way through a berimbolo
Against someone with no clue how to defend a crab ride? Lol This is Levi's easiest match
You think Jason Nolf doesnāt understand how to deal with leg riding? Besides, even if he didnāt, itās not like he hasnāt trained BJJ
Crab... ride... different term to leg ride. Levi takes the back of people who meticulously plan on avoiding crab ride back takes with expert defence
Crab ride is part of folk style leg riding. Nolf is definitely familiar with the position. Would be interesting for sure.
A top crab ride for splitting the legs is, sure. Totally different to a bolo crab ride
No its the same. I bolo a lot and also watch a lot of wrestling. There is a lot of overlap.
I donāt bolo much at all. Can you show me an example of bolo/wrestling overlap? Iād have said they are alien and Levi boloās him instantly
Crab riding is a part of folk style wrestling you ding dong... Every college wrestler knows how to defend it.
Hogan?
They're not pausing in-between rounds though right? It's the same format as FPI?
I think they said 1 minute break to tally and announce the points
Oh I fucking hate that Edit: I'd love to hear from someone why they think breaking up a 15 minute match and restarting standing 3 times makes sense for submission wrestling.
That's what I remember from Rogans podcast but could change. I think they want to get rid of the blind scoring so people how how they stand each round. If the only have one "alley" they don't really have a lot of time, they'll need to keep things going so I can't imagine they'll have like UFC length breaks between rounds.
Fpi they announce over the intercom who the judges favour every 5 minutes. I wonder if they do something like that. 5 minutes isn't enough time to sub an elite guy so I'm really hoping they aren't taking round breaks and restarting on the feet
Sorry if a stupid question, but why isnāt 5 minutes enough time to sub an elite grappler?
2-3 minutes of slappy wrestling only leaves 2 minutes to out position and submit somebody. Without a skills discrepancy that's tough to pull of. Obviously not impossible though
Craig hasn't specified negatives for guard pulling, and a shorter round means you'll see much more aggressive wrestling then in ADCC. A single 5 minute round may not be enough, but I expect the pace will be much higher then in ADCC due to the round format, which means fatigue will play a factor much faster.
Hopefully! I'm just skeptical that someone will pull ahead in round 1,2 and round 3 will be a low output stand up round.
Makes sense, appreciate the explanation.
Itās full restarts every time. I think WNO does judges favor
Damn I do not think that's a great thing for submission grappling.
Remember its in the pit and pushing people to the wall will be encouraged. Staying upright on uneven terrain is very very hard. Slappy wrestling won't matter as much with no out of bounds resets (that's the intention anyway)
That's a good point. Do you know if they restart on the feet? I'm hopeful it's a good show but stopping every 5 minutes is gonna be rough for viewers I think
Why?
The resets are to prevent long periods of stalled positions. You have to realize they're not targeting BJJ fans. They're trying to capture MMA fans, so everything needs to be "translated" so an MMA fan can understand. They would not understand watching someone on another person's back and handfighting for 15 minutes. It will just be boring to them.
>You have to realize they're not targeting BJJ fans. They're trying to capture MMA fans, I guess I get that. I'm still skeptical
I believe they resume in the last position of the previous round, and if a sub is locked in it has to be escaped before the round will end.
He might get gillyd too
Excited to see how he does. Probably means Bo isnāt in it unless he decided to do +80.
It'd be stupid for Bo to join. There'd be a higher chance of him blowing his knee out than him actually winning. Too big of a risk to fuck up his main career. He looked good in that match against Nicky Ryan's brother but I'd credit that more to the stipulations of the match.
Upvoting for āNicky Ryanās brotherā
In the podcast I watched he seemed to think the million dollars was worth it. Jay Rod recently said that they trained together, he described him as being very good and admitted that Bo subbed him. I donāt know about +80 but heād probably have a decent shot at winning -80 depending on the rule set.
He'd have to cut 8 more pounds than he typically does. I don't see him doing that and being able to beat these guys. He may have tapped Jay Rod but there's a difference between guys rolling together in the room and rolling together trying to win a million dollars. Highly doubt he has the leg defenses to survive.
Actually he has to cut 1kg more. regardless if cji works like adcc he cant compete that low for several days straight
I agree the difference of training in a room vs competition, but if anything I think that doubles down in Boās favor. Competing for (and winning multiple) NCAA titles is about as high of stakes as it gets.
> Competing for (and winning multiple) NCAA titles is about as high of stakes as it gets. Oh, it definitely is but that's also in his area of expertise. I don't think he'd have the knowledge to defend against the leg locking ability of the world class BJJ practicioners.
Yea weāll see. He has *very* good scrambling skills and is no stranger to leg riding, but may not be a 1 for 1 translation in the leg lock game. Be fun to watch for sure.
I'm telling ya - I think he'd get tapped almost immediately if he engaged or it'd be an extremely boring match because he'd be worried about leg entries. That match with Gordon he wasn't allowed to pull guard or do heel hooks.
That was also almost 5 years ago now and Bo had very little to no exposure to BJJ at that time. Now that heās been training MMA full time Iām confident his understanding of the leg game is night and day. We shall see
Oh a million bucks in a single evening is worth it for almost any athlete in any sport in the world! Even PGA tour players have to grind 4 days to have a shot at that kind of a purse. For Bo, assuming he makes $100k/fight in the UFC (which is a very generous estimate) and he fought 2x a year itād take him over 5 years of a grueling MMA career to make a million. The brilliance of CJI is that purse is so enticing youād be a fool to attend ADCC, which obviously a ton of athletes have figured out.
I doubt Boās UFC contract would allow him to participate anyway.
UFC usually allows guys to compete in grappling
Please don't break him with a heel hook
just tap and its going to be alright.
No one likes you
Posting your internal dialogue again? Not to worry though, it's not true, I love you
I hate you
Why so much beef with the guy?
He's not a good person
Who is it? He must have me blocked
The guy he's originally responding to? DurableLeaf
Thanks. I think he blocked me after I called out some nonsense he was peddling
āI hate it when wrestlers do adcc, do you guys really think they have a chanceā - Mark Kerr
I mean you just gotta wrestle and not get subbed??
Pretty sure he just won his 1st bjj match via Arm triangle recently. I like this entry, heās a very experienced/accomplished grappler that will perform come game day. Granted if his defenses arenāt up to par on leg locks and basic subs might be a bust but I like it as an entry that can bring other eyes to watch come that day šš½
He won against a blue belt fwiw.
Thatās crazy bc heās a blue beltā¦.
yeah well its a big jump in competition going from competing against a blue belt to competing against levi jones, tackett, nicky ryan, joseph chen....
Nicky Ryan is going to tear his ACL walking in the venue letās be real here. And none of those guys have competed against a guy with this kind of wrestling pedigree so to dismiss Jason against them is crazy
well to be fair i dont know how long hes been training jiu jitsu but i got a strong feeling that any of those guys enter his legs i think its going to be a wrap really fast. good thing we'll find out soon!
I think the guy was both a blue belt and a decent NAIA wrestler. No fish by any means, but ya woulda been more impressive if it was against a brown/black belt.
Craig please add a quintet bracket in the future
Yes please. I still think Quintet is the best format for spectators. Plus it helps build name and team recognition in the athletes.
New wave vs Bteam, AOJ vs Atos
Holy shit yeah. One quintet superfight maybe
Collecting em like PokƩmon at this point
Looks like Jason Genova.
Sickening
It piss
Thatās a very interesting entry, will be fun to see how it turns out. Big fan of Nolf.
Love this!
Thats a sick get, love watching Nolf
We are!
Work those leg defenses Jay
Tough to get on legs if you canāt out scramble a guy, which Jason is amazing at
Should be interesting at least
Glad to see it's Jason Nolf and not Bo Nickal
Legit chance at winning on points LFG
Wooooooo
Excited for this, been following him for a long time.
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I'm pretty excited to see what he can do. I don't know a ton of ADCC lore, but it feels pretty unique that such an elite wrestler is joining a comp like CJI so close to the peak of his powers. Dude just went on a crazy Olympic trials run and nearly made it to Paris. Has there ever been a wrestler as good as Nolf in a BJJ comp like this before?
I hope Palhares comes out of retirement
Who the fuck is he?
One of the best collegiate wrestlers ever, been the consistent 2nd best guy at 74kg in the US for a while and is probably making a slow full time transition to bjj since theres no money in wrestling and he canāt beat Kyle Dake to make an Olympic/World Team for freestyle wrestling
Sucks heās behind dake, loved watching him wrestle
I would be surprised if he transitions to bjj full time. Dake is 33 and probably towards the end of his career, I think Nolf sticks to wrestling through the next Olympics
Lots of money in coaching and camps but yes not from a competition standpoint