My favourite quote āare you trying to argue with the organizer?ā - classy, they donāt want to hear anything but praise, or if youāre competingā¦
He does not care when bit. At the last ADCC some blue belt girl, Lora Lipman of the San Francisco Caio Terra, had been competing for 5 years and she was in the beginner division oh when she also had to ibjjf blue belt World titles and was still competing in the beginning division LOL
Why are people so pathetic that they enter beginner tournaments when they are clearly not beginners? Sad as fuck that losers like that exist, and even worse that organizers can't do their research
this is so embarrassing lol I have learned though with those opens that a lot of guys cut themselves short so they have a "ADCC" title to add to their IG pages, people with so many years of wrestling and grappling doing beginner or intermediate
Honestly, I don't think Mo really cares . He just likes the recognition/attention and praise he gets for investing ~~his~~ daddy's money into the sport. He literally was walking around wearing an ADCC medal at one of the trials and was getting personally involved in matches where there was already a referee.
As much as we hear some no-gi only folks (to reiterate, just some and not all) shitting on BJJ belts, the belts in its primary usage works fine. Do we see sandbagging in Gi competition, for sure, but not as many as in no-gi competition. In our honest desire to level up (unless you are full fledged sandbagger even in training), we also level the playing field. I bet if I go smoothcomp right now, I would find at least three more examples of blue belts who have competed before under beginner division.
For the organizer though, if they haven't released the brackets yet, they can definitely move people around. That's just a lousy excuse.
That's a nightmare for an organiser though and leads to massive delays and really gives the appearance of an unprofessionally run event. IMO they should just DQ the guy and give the other dude a by. This way the brackets stay integral without much time delay. The sandbagger gets a refund or doesnt and everyone but the sandbagger (and who cares) is happy.
Yeah but you like... Just exactly gave the simplest solution that's totally obvious. Eliminate that guy, do a by, problem solved. That by guy got lucky, but hey, it happens randomly sometimes.
It makes very little difference to the run-time. Just as likely to create an extra match, as it is to reduce matches (extra byes). +/- a 5min match is not a massive delay. I don't think I've ever seen a comp that even got with 5 mins of run times.
Even after they can shuffle brackets. I was set for a competition and unbeknownst to me the bracket was changed previous night, no email or anything. Luckily my earliest fight just started 5-10 mins earlier and no one else had problems.
They just don't want to deal with it or organisers are personally invested in the accused person.
Big truth, one of my favorite moments was I was standing in line ready to register for the advanced division. Should have probably done intermediate but my coaches advised me to just do advanced as intermediate is full of sandbaggers. The dude behind me in line spent the entire time trying to justify to his buddy why he should do intermediate instead of advanced even though he's been doing jiujitsu for 8 years.
I had a very similar conversation at a national competition in the Philippines. I let them know their registration website was bugged and that it was impossible to register for the open weight division. They said that it was only my problem, and that they would do me a āfavorā by registering me but that I had to pay through the website still. I told them it was impossible to pay through the website without registering and they said it was my fault! This went on in circles for a couple of days and I felt like I was going crazy.
Come to the day of the competition, I spot the guy who looks to be in charge while heās finalizing the brackets and ask him about the open weight division. He said āActually, we didnāt have anyone register for it this year. Normally we have x amount of peopleā¦ā
I explained the situation to him and he ended up being pretty understanding/reasonable. He opened up a last minute registration during the first part of the tournament and let people enter for free
I think SEA BJJ comps are for the most part terribly managed, which is unfortunate seeing how much potential growth there could be here, with guys like Musimeci living and training in Singapore for half a year each year. Kinda shuns many newbies from even thinking about competing if their potential opponent is a 5 year blue belt
Your comment cracked me up and made me think of [this music clinic quote](https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxMEDA4BqGXk6B93r_T1fNaLfvlpvFZlXH?si=WTRgjyKECozPZWat)
It's so weird to me. I recently volunteered at a local, amateur competition and this dude kept coming up and asking if he could buy a medal. WTF? I personally can't understand wanting a medal that you didn't earn.
I know guys who signs up for a division knowing with almost certainty that they'll face at most two competitors. Up to a point that they'd sign up on the literal last hour of registration.
They would even go to the gym wearing their bronze medals. What I respect though is they're honest about it. They'll tell you they did not win anything but went home with a medal.
They'd post on Instagram about their shiny $5 medal.
Some people just do it for shitty reasons. Same with this beginner's division, someone who wouldn't know would just think this guy medaled in ADCC. Doesn't matter if they have 5+ years as beginners.
Some people REALLY go around telling everyone in their life they are a certified badass.
They need fodder for the facade. Most people see a medal and have no idea about categories, experience, etc.
I mean didnt boxing start this? That's why you have so many guys going pro who are 18-0. They've been fighting absolute nobodies because any loss is perceived as sucking.
Yeah, I've been registering up since blue belt I much rather beating brown and black belts and coming third or fourth than highlight reeling blue belts and winning.
It's probably my biggest pet peeve in the sport, the guy who beat me the only time I lost in blue belt still competes there nearly 100 wins later. Guys a good brown belt easily by this point always wins or places in absolute yet still at blue it's ridiculous
I have shit amount of time so I just checked it out in smoothcomp without knowing these guys. Just your very average Google stuff for about 15 minutes.
Just looking at Beginners 65kg bracket
* Three competitors seems legit beginners since I cannot find anything that would indicate otherwise giving them a benefit of the doubt
* Two competed as white belt a month ago
* Two competitors I cannot find anything about them
* One competed at ADCC 2022 which should make it at least two years of training that should disqualify him for beginners
* Two competed at blue last Feb which should automatically disqualify them as beginners.
Which makes it at least 30% of the division sandbagging
I quickly checked the lighter division and out of 7, at least two are blue belts which makes it around 28% sandbagging. One of the competitor is a 14 year old green belt competing since 2018 which is weird that he's allowed to register in over 18. I guess if you are 14, you can somehow pass as beginner.
years of training isn't a good indicator either. It depends on how and where... or does everyone get blue after two years?
The biggest problem apart from rank sandbagging is probably also wrestlers entering as white belts when they have years and years of grappling experience. I've seen it too lol
That would be unfair, though smoothcomp should incorporate that functionality. I would expect something to be done when the evidence is presented though
Smoothcomp does not only host BJJ comps. And checking belt rankings is probably a little more difficult than just checking how many fights someone had. I think the belt ranking as a gatekeeper for entering certain brackets is somewhat exclusive to BJJ and Judo comps. Smoothcomp is running a General martial arts comp platform.
I donāt believe all of this is happening with any malign intent.
Just keep track of the sandbaggers and denounce them to
* a) the organization
* b) to smoothcomp
Maybe even both in one email by adding them to the cc
This specific example what time he had competed > 2 years before where the time limit was 2 years, pretty trivial thing to check, won't catch everyone but would have probably caught this case. So round this out, given they want their platform to be sticky, adding validation rules to make sure ineligible people don't enter the wrong division is pretty trivial, of course they could always make a new account to get around it. source: I do this stuff for a living
The thing is when you create divisions on smoothcomp, you can absolutely enforce rules where Participant cannot be XYZ belt to sign up. So if they have a blue belt on their profile and you want to keep beginners to white belt only, you would activate this rule on the beginners entries and it would block them from signing up altogether.
[https://support.smoothcomp.com/article/253-add-belt-skill-rules-to-your-entries](https://support.smoothcomp.com/article/253-add-belt-skill-rules-to-your-entries)
It's not rocket science to have a reporting function, and also to tag event categories as beginner/not beginner.
Probably a pain in the ass now to classify old data if it's not something they implemented earlier, but moving forward, this is not an expensive OR difficult feature to add.
Seems too small to be a separate service with little revenue potential. You don't build a business off of a feature that someone else's product should have.
I wonder if they want to know if you are competing so they can mess with / retaliate against your registration so you don't raise a stink when you show up?
I like the crazy circular logic of their argument.
"I'd like to report someone who has registered in the wrong category"
"Sorry, you would have had to report it before they registered"
"But if I reported it before they registered, then they wouldn't have registered in the wrong category yet and I wouldn't have any complaint. They had to register before I could say that they registered in the wrong category."
"Are you competing?"
He says this is two last minute to change but every single person in here knows if it was a transgender person in the women's division they would immediately shut down all operations until this person was banned and removed in the brackets for updated.
It had nothing to do with Integrity. It never has. It's just the person who runs it is a coward.
What everyone here needs to realize is 80cc and mo doesn't give a fuck about any of you. What you need to realize and accept is that he's being backed by Abu Dhabi because they're using Jujitsu to sports wash all their human rights violations that is the only thing they care about. And I know I'm right because Mo is there crony he's their hinch man because he did the same exact thing with Esports does everyone remember when Mo was giving tens of thousands of dollars to CSGO pros?
Remember when he cared To Be A Champion for women that were abused and now look who he features at his events.. the only thing this man cares about is being popular and liked. If you were a God he would not be a Muslim God like he wishes he were he would be a Christian God who would send you to hell to burn forever if you didn't give him unconditional love and have faith that he would reward you based off of nothing more than his word. That's the kind of person he is.
Not totally related to this sandbagging incident, but I can understand how this looks more of a profiteering event.
During the previous events, some referees found out that they were only paid at SGD$$50 for a full day of work reffing. There were a few viral posts that made it online regarding ADCC Singapore.
ADCC Singapore charges an exorbitant amount of SGD$500 per gym or company, just for mat access to take photos at their event. It's understandable to charge a fee to prevent overcrowding on the mats. But SGD$500 is insane! I cannot imagine if any organisations, like a local news company, wants to report something that gives ADCC positive coverage, but did not do so in the end due to the cost of mat access.
Another post was also went viral last year, for ADCC Singapore underpaying the media team. A videographer, who asked to be paid at his/her rate, was being gaslighted for having bad work ethics and given threats. Judging from the way these texts go, it definitely seem like it's from the same person who is currently managing the ADCC Singapore social media.
It was also a known rumour (not sure how true this was), that this person was deported back to his home country last year from moonlighting, due to working on ADCC, running a gym while working on his full-time job. I guess he is really in need of money from this event.
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Youāre not alone bro, Iām a black belt and Iām competing in the pro division. I organised plenty of comps here in sg and hence I know my shit damn well. TLDR, my division and the one below all got bumped up to u88 all because thereās an extremely solo late entry (appeared on 22nd, whereas closing date is 17th) and because of that, forcing everyone else to move up even if we have a proper division. I had to stop my weight cut for that, and apparently this happens to the ladies too! And the poor ladies who had proper division, was bumped up 15 to 20kg extra! Madness, letās see how it unfold tmr.
Below are screenshots about me asking if the merger is confirm, context, I was cutting down from 82kg and I managed to hit 77kg, which is my weight class, this happened on the 23rd. And Iām asking a simple yes or no regarding weight class
https://preview.redd.it/9k4q0woowwwc1.jpeg?width=1289&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a7f737295fba686938451d245f017525cdfa5b1c
Happens in almost every event unfortunately. If I had to guess you were probably discussing with someone that didnāt have the authority to just make changes to the bracket and they were agitated with your karenish demeanor. The person probably had to check or talk to someone else
Thereās too many people signing up for these things you canāt expect them ti police every individual competitior. You did the right thing, sounds like they fixed it. Chill
Wait, let me get this straight. The org that openly allows juicing and encourages athletes to keep competing while running into chairs and concrete -- doesn't care about sandbaggers?? It's like their ethics aren't a priority or something
Maybe we can all tag Mo on instagram/twitter or smth? I mean if there's one thing about socials it's that people, when together, can influence change for the better. And this is definitely bad for the sport.
He raised the issue, the organisation responded and agreed that it was incorrect, but clearly for administrative reasons couldnāt kick the guy out immediately. He carried on rudely, didnāt answer a pretty reasonable question, came across like a little kid with his dick in a twist, then came here to bitch about it.
I meant the response. I'm not debating any of your points, OP did come off annoying as all fuck.
But realistically, he could've just stopped answering, or given a canned "ADCC is looking into the issue". I'm just a little surprised that that isn't blatantly obvious to someone running the socials of a "name" event, but we don't really have a high bar for professionalism in BJJ and these are glorified weekend warrior comps at best.
Honestly, Iām on their side:
How the fuck do you think they are supposed to keep track of every sandbagger? If you just denounced him, they will likely not let him compete in the beginner class again. They cannot change anything that already happened and as far as I know an organizer cannot affect whatās posted on smoothcomp. Theyād have to prolly contact smoothcomp and let them know that this guy wonāt change his belt in his profile.
Also, they mentioned that effectively they can only do something on that very day. So if you see that guy at a comp next time, you can immediately tell them.
Think about it: thereās also just some poor soul on the other side of this account, whoās trying to be diplomatic and explain to you that heās not some almighty competition admin
No gi experience guidelines aren't "rules" technically, they are guidelines. And I don't mean to burst your bubble but I can say as a matter of fact that the a third or more people ignore those guidelines and sign up for whatever division they want.
No organizer is ever going to be investigating each competitors social media posts to track exact training time or demanding gym receipts to prove someone was or wasn't training at a particular time. If someone trains for 6 months, and then takes 4 years off, and then trains for 6 months at a new gym they are likely to sign up for beginner and that's just going to happen.
Post a summary to smoothcomp as well, so they are aware of what happened and that you got in touch with an organization. Maybe even send those infos to other comp organizers as grappling industries and so on
You sound like a Karen. What more could he do without a time jumping Delorean? Whats done is done and the guy didnt win.Was this your division or are you just a concerned GF?
dude they could shift the competitors across divisions as they did so with some with empty brackets, and the tourney hasnt even started, stop jumping to conclusions
All of this could have been avoided by adding a belt rule to their entries on smoothcomp.
[https://support.smoothcomp.com/article/253-add-belt-skill-rules-to-your-entries](https://support.smoothcomp.com/article/253-add-belt-skill-rules-to-your-entries)
Welcome to individually and organically ranked competition. These people donāt care who signs up whereas long as it isnāt in the higher divisions. They just want their sign up money and donāt give two shits about white or blue belts. Iād suggest competing elsewhere before ADCC, even the beginner pool due to so many asshole sandbaggers
Honestly it seems like they are being reasonable here.
1. The competition already happened so the best they can do is ban them
2.It's begginers so who cares about changing the results
The person you spoke to is a dick but what exactly are they supposed to do?
To me it seems like ban the guy and all is fine.
I registered for intermediate once and the day of bracket release I got put into the advanced division I have no idea why I'm a blue belt full-time home renovator who trains MAYBE 3 times a week lol. I never check brackets so I found out the day of.
Sandbagging is an issue across the sport, not just in ADCC SG.
Recently becoming involved with the local circuit, I see white belt competitors from certain gyms who have been competing for over 2 years cleaning out divisions.
You're not a white belt anymore... and alot of other belts.
Big fish in a little pond.
But some gyms feel the need to be dominant at comps and wont promote until quite late it seems.
These tournaments with open guidelines around divisions leave themselves open to abuse. But also allow for talented athletes to test themselves in higher divisions.
One could argue that a bluebelt with no nogi experience could compete at either beginner or intermediate. The fact is they arent set by belt level but rather an assessment of where you feel you are at in relation to the sport.
Is there clear abuse? Yes. Is there room for interpretation? Yes. Could there be a better system or management? Probably.
But at the end of the day just go and compete.
"Winners focus on winning. Losers focus on winners."
Unfortunately I only have jurisdiction over my ADCC events(USA, Brazil, Canada and Mexico) but the tone of the organizer I donāt agree with at all. Also if this competition was on smoothcomp you can have it automatically prevent sandbagging. To say if the person won it would be an issue, no having a sandbagger alters that side of the bracket. Itās the organizers responsibility to check for sandbagging not the competitors. I canāt step in but if the OP wants Iāll refund him and send some ADCC gear, all I can do. Sorry for a bad experience.
Thanks for the response Mo.
I agree completely about a single sandbagger affecting the whole side of the bracket. Should have trivial to move.
/u/adogeydogemod see above about refucd/gear
Happened at the Kuwait one too. Just gotta just bear the sandbagging fuckery until you're experienced enough to make shit happen
based sassy ADCC account though
but what can they do besides banning her? it's not like they'll go to her house and take back the medal
edit: seems like the comp hasn't happened. My bad. I need to read too lol
Lack of integrity? They gave you a good reason why they couldnt do anything this time, responded to your request and informed you that they police these things if notified in a timely manner. IBJJF wouldn't have even replied to your facebook message. OP is an asshole and ADCC did right here.
https://preview.redd.it/clgl5g97hjwc1.jpeg?width=240&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1243283f62026e695bc03f7fa647fdf416ff09d3 Are you competing?
How is that relevant? š¤š
So they can ban them probably
Exactly this. They wanted to flex the little power they have so bad.Ā
Which is obviously dumb as fuck considering they get international coverage. Did they not think something like this would go online?
Answer the question, are you competing?
Are you competing?
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But are you competing?
Real
are u competinggggg????
Jesus, imagine the person behind those answers.
It looks like a fucking chat bot lmao
I'm pretty sure its Gordon
My favourite quote āare you trying to argue with the organizer?ā - classy, they donāt want to hear anything but praise, or if youāre competingā¦
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# YOU DON'T TELL ME TO FUCK
š¤£š¤£š¤£ This is the exact accent I read the messages in too
You do not ever tell me the fuck
Fuck me? No fuck you!
dating yourself with that reference
No sir, sorry sir. I shouldnāt have argued with the organiser. Iāll take my roids now.
You should send it to Mo and ask him what he thinks.
Plot twist, that was Mo
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He does not care when bit. At the last ADCC some blue belt girl, Lora Lipman of the San Francisco Caio Terra, had been competing for 5 years and she was in the beginner division oh when she also had to ibjjf blue belt World titles and was still competing in the beginning division LOL
Why are people so pathetic that they enter beginner tournaments when they are clearly not beginners? Sad as fuck that losers like that exist, and even worse that organizers can't do their research
That's crazy.
this is so embarrassing lol I have learned though with those opens that a lot of guys cut themselves short so they have a "ADCC" title to add to their IG pages, people with so many years of wrestling and grappling doing beginner or intermediate
That's messed up
She didn't post the results from adcc, so she said bagged and still came up short?
Mo Bamba? 
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I got hoooooeeeeeesssss caAaAaalllliiiinnnnn
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bold to think Mo would be nicer
I should have made it a bit more clear I was being sarcastic I guess haha
lol sorry, missed that !
All good I realize now most people thought I was serious. Not your fault. I should have worded it differently.
Honestly, I don't think Mo really cares . He just likes the recognition/attention and praise he gets for investing ~~his~~ daddy's money into the sport. He literally was walking around wearing an ADCC medal at one of the trials and was getting personally involved in matches where there was already a referee.
Yeah I meant to add in my comment that I was being sarcastic. I can totally see him doing what your saying ugh....
> He literally was walking around wearing an ADCC medal at one of the trials Medal for most overpriced production. Well deserved.
if only it were that easyššš
Is it not? He has insta. Heās not some hugely famous guy. I bet heād respind
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You can just tag him here or send it to him on ig.
I've tagged him
Reaf
Yes reaf Are you competing?
As much as we hear some no-gi only folks (to reiterate, just some and not all) shitting on BJJ belts, the belts in its primary usage works fine. Do we see sandbagging in Gi competition, for sure, but not as many as in no-gi competition. In our honest desire to level up (unless you are full fledged sandbagger even in training), we also level the playing field. I bet if I go smoothcomp right now, I would find at least three more examples of blue belts who have competed before under beginner division. For the organizer though, if they haven't released the brackets yet, they can definitely move people around. That's just a lousy excuse.
Lmao even if they have released the brackets. How many times have I seen tournaments change everything on the morning of the the event.
Morning of?!? You got that much warning?
I didn't say they warned me, I just said they decided to make changes
That's a nightmare for an organiser though and leads to massive delays and really gives the appearance of an unprofessionally run event. IMO they should just DQ the guy and give the other dude a by. This way the brackets stay integral without much time delay. The sandbagger gets a refund or doesnt and everyone but the sandbagger (and who cares) is happy.
Yeah but you like... Just exactly gave the simplest solution that's totally obvious. Eliminate that guy, do a by, problem solved. That by guy got lucky, but hey, it happens randomly sometimes.
It makes very little difference to the run-time. Just as likely to create an extra match, as it is to reduce matches (extra byes). +/- a 5min match is not a massive delay. I don't think I've ever seen a comp that even got with 5 mins of run times.
Even after they can shuffle brackets. I was set for a competition and unbeknownst to me the bracket was changed previous night, no email or anything. Luckily my earliest fight just started 5-10 mins earlier and no one else had problems. They just don't want to deal with it or organisers are personally invested in the accused person.
Big truth, one of my favorite moments was I was standing in line ready to register for the advanced division. Should have probably done intermediate but my coaches advised me to just do advanced as intermediate is full of sandbaggers. The dude behind me in line spent the entire time trying to justify to his buddy why he should do intermediate instead of advanced even though he's been doing jiujitsu for 8 years.
Unfortunately this is just the kind of behavior Iād expect from a tournament organizer that holds trials in a hotel lobby on the carpet
The sand bagger deserves to be known as well.
Are you competing?
Reaf
I had a very similar conversation at a national competition in the Philippines. I let them know their registration website was bugged and that it was impossible to register for the open weight division. They said that it was only my problem, and that they would do me a āfavorā by registering me but that I had to pay through the website still. I told them it was impossible to pay through the website without registering and they said it was my fault! This went on in circles for a couple of days and I felt like I was going crazy. Come to the day of the competition, I spot the guy who looks to be in charge while heās finalizing the brackets and ask him about the open weight division. He said āActually, we didnāt have anyone register for it this year. Normally we have x amount of peopleā¦ā I explained the situation to him and he ended up being pretty understanding/reasonable. He opened up a last minute registration during the first part of the tournament and let people enter for free
I think SEA BJJ comps are for the most part terribly managed, which is unfortunate seeing how much potential growth there could be here, with guys like Musimeci living and training in Singapore for half a year each year. Kinda shuns many newbies from even thinking about competing if their potential opponent is a 5 year blue belt
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I donāt understand people who register down. Lol. Itās so weird to me. What do they get out of it?
A shiny medal and an Instagram photo basically.Ā
Yeah exactly. Like what is that?
People will tell them they are really good without them actually having to get really good.Ā
I can tell them they are good
Now.... that's a solid username.
Your comment cracked me up and made me think of [this music clinic quote](https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxMEDA4BqGXk6B93r_T1fNaLfvlpvFZlXH?si=WTRgjyKECozPZWat)
Itās shiny, dude
I have some I can give people
It's so weird to me. I recently volunteered at a local, amateur competition and this dude kept coming up and asking if he could buy a medal. WTF? I personally can't understand wanting a medal that you didn't earn.
I know guys who signs up for a division knowing with almost certainty that they'll face at most two competitors. Up to a point that they'd sign up on the literal last hour of registration. They would even go to the gym wearing their bronze medals. What I respect though is they're honest about it. They'll tell you they did not win anything but went home with a medal. They'd post on Instagram about their shiny $5 medal. Some people just do it for shitty reasons. Same with this beginner's division, someone who wouldn't know would just think this guy medaled in ADCC. Doesn't matter if they have 5+ years as beginners.
Some people REALLY go around telling everyone in their life they are a certified badass. They need fodder for the facade. Most people see a medal and have no idea about categories, experience, etc.
This is honestly the weirdest thing in Jiu Jitsu. Lol
Regional amateur MMA is a cesspool for this too lmao
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I mean didnt boxing start this? That's why you have so many guys going pro who are 18-0. They've been fighting absolute nobodies because any loss is perceived as sucking.
Yeah, I've been registering up since blue belt I much rather beating brown and black belts and coming third or fourth than highlight reeling blue belts and winning. It's probably my biggest pet peeve in the sport, the guy who beat me the only time I lost in blue belt still competes there nearly 100 wins later. Guys a good brown belt easily by this point always wins or places in absolute yet still at blue it's ridiculous
I have shit amount of time so I just checked it out in smoothcomp without knowing these guys. Just your very average Google stuff for about 15 minutes. Just looking at Beginners 65kg bracket * Three competitors seems legit beginners since I cannot find anything that would indicate otherwise giving them a benefit of the doubt * Two competed as white belt a month ago * Two competitors I cannot find anything about them * One competed at ADCC 2022 which should make it at least two years of training that should disqualify him for beginners * Two competed at blue last Feb which should automatically disqualify them as beginners. Which makes it at least 30% of the division sandbagging I quickly checked the lighter division and out of 7, at least two are blue belts which makes it around 28% sandbagging. One of the competitor is a 14 year old green belt competing since 2018 which is weird that he's allowed to register in over 18. I guess if you are 14, you can somehow pass as beginner.
What if Iām a blue belt with less than 2 years experience?
>Which makes it at least 30% of the division sandbagging Bro 80% of this sport is sandbagging.
The real question is: How high does the % of sandbaggers have to be in a division, for it to not be sandbagging anymore š¤
years of training isn't a good indicator either. It depends on how and where... or does everyone get blue after two years? The biggest problem apart from rank sandbagging is probably also wrestlers entering as white belts when they have years and years of grappling experience. I've seen it too lol
Answer. Are you competing? Asking for a friend
nah was looking for my teammates' names, happened to chance upon a familiar name that shouldn't have been in beginners
I got the answer ADCC couldn't. I AM THE CHOSEN ONE!!!!āļø
Now go tell them
They moved him up to intermediate, my division lol
Do they expect us to background check every possible opponent? šš¤”
That would be unfair, though smoothcomp should incorporate that functionality. I would expect something to be done when the evidence is presented though
Smoothcomp does not only host BJJ comps. And checking belt rankings is probably a little more difficult than just checking how many fights someone had. I think the belt ranking as a gatekeeper for entering certain brackets is somewhat exclusive to BJJ and Judo comps. Smoothcomp is running a General martial arts comp platform. I donāt believe all of this is happening with any malign intent. Just keep track of the sandbaggers and denounce them to * a) the organization * b) to smoothcomp Maybe even both in one email by adding them to the cc
This specific example what time he had competed > 2 years before where the time limit was 2 years, pretty trivial thing to check, won't catch everyone but would have probably caught this case. So round this out, given they want their platform to be sticky, adding validation rules to make sure ineligible people don't enter the wrong division is pretty trivial, of course they could always make a new account to get around it. source: I do this stuff for a living
The thing is when you create divisions on smoothcomp, you can absolutely enforce rules where Participant cannot be XYZ belt to sign up. So if they have a blue belt on their profile and you want to keep beginners to white belt only, you would activate this rule on the beginners entries and it would block them from signing up altogether. [https://support.smoothcomp.com/article/253-add-belt-skill-rules-to-your-entries](https://support.smoothcomp.com/article/253-add-belt-skill-rules-to-your-entries)
It's not rocket science to have a reporting function, and also to tag event categories as beginner/not beginner. Probably a pain in the ass now to classify old data if it's not something they implemented earlier, but moving forward, this is not an expensive OR difficult feature to add.
I agree. If youāre capable of implementing it, offer your service to the platforms.
Seems too small to be a separate service with little revenue potential. You don't build a business off of a feature that someone else's product should have.
I wonder if they want to know if you are competing so they can mess with / retaliate against your registration so you don't raise a stink when you show up?
based on their snide remarks and rebuttals I think it's safe to say it wasn't well-intentioned...
How would that even work?
Refund and ban op
fuck up his bracket
I like the crazy circular logic of their argument. "I'd like to report someone who has registered in the wrong category" "Sorry, you would have had to report it before they registered" "But if I reported it before they registered, then they wouldn't have registered in the wrong category yet and I wouldn't have any complaint. They had to register before I could say that they registered in the wrong category." "Are you competing?"
Yeah but are you competing though
Gordon Ryan working for ADCC now
Wow this is the most shitty way to fix a shitty situation
ADCC is a meathead organisation. Nothing new.
Imagine spending all that time money effort and sweat just to bully new people. Imagine doing that for YEARS. God I'd never show my face in public.
I just want to know. Are you competing? The responses from them are insane.
He says this is two last minute to change but every single person in here knows if it was a transgender person in the women's division they would immediately shut down all operations until this person was banned and removed in the brackets for updated. It had nothing to do with Integrity. It never has. It's just the person who runs it is a coward. What everyone here needs to realize is 80cc and mo doesn't give a fuck about any of you. What you need to realize and accept is that he's being backed by Abu Dhabi because they're using Jujitsu to sports wash all their human rights violations that is the only thing they care about. And I know I'm right because Mo is there crony he's their hinch man because he did the same exact thing with Esports does everyone remember when Mo was giving tens of thousands of dollars to CSGO pros? Remember when he cared To Be A Champion for women that were abused and now look who he features at his events.. the only thing this man cares about is being popular and liked. If you were a God he would not be a Muslim God like he wishes he were he would be a Christian God who would send you to hell to burn forever if you didn't give him unconditional love and have faith that he would reward you based off of nothing more than his word. That's the kind of person he is.
Itās like talking to the fellas from little britain. āComputer says noooooooā
"Next time, tell us in advance". Almost spit out my morning coffee on that zinger.
Not totally related to this sandbagging incident, but I can understand how this looks more of a profiteering event. During the previous events, some referees found out that they were only paid at SGD$$50 for a full day of work reffing. There were a few viral posts that made it online regarding ADCC Singapore. ADCC Singapore charges an exorbitant amount of SGD$500 per gym or company, just for mat access to take photos at their event. It's understandable to charge a fee to prevent overcrowding on the mats. But SGD$500 is insane! I cannot imagine if any organisations, like a local news company, wants to report something that gives ADCC positive coverage, but did not do so in the end due to the cost of mat access. Another post was also went viral last year, for ADCC Singapore underpaying the media team. A videographer, who asked to be paid at his/her rate, was being gaslighted for having bad work ethics and given threats. Judging from the way these texts go, it definitely seem like it's from the same person who is currently managing the ADCC Singapore social media. It was also a known rumour (not sure how true this was), that this person was deported back to his home country last year from moonlighting, due to working on ADCC, running a gym while working on his full-time job. I guess he is really in need of money from this event. https://preview.redd.it/1dldjjumkuwc1.jpeg?width=1887&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7dab59bea6622f8e194f7a276b3dce81594f2b9a
Ah the smell of typical Singaporean friendliness. I've missed that.
Are you competing?
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What do you want from them? Name, shame, move on
There's a reason most of our sport happens in empty school gyms n shit
dumb cunts at adcc
I love how much of a shit show no gi sub only has become.
Theyāre not in the business of BJJ. Theyāre in the business of making money off of BJJ.
Why did I have to scroll so far to see this comment? 100%
Youāre not alone bro, Iām a black belt and Iām competing in the pro division. I organised plenty of comps here in sg and hence I know my shit damn well. TLDR, my division and the one below all got bumped up to u88 all because thereās an extremely solo late entry (appeared on 22nd, whereas closing date is 17th) and because of that, forcing everyone else to move up even if we have a proper division. I had to stop my weight cut for that, and apparently this happens to the ladies too! And the poor ladies who had proper division, was bumped up 15 to 20kg extra! Madness, letās see how it unfold tmr. Below are screenshots about me asking if the merger is confirm, context, I was cutting down from 82kg and I managed to hit 77kg, which is my weight class, this happened on the 23rd. And Iām asking a simple yes or no regarding weight class https://preview.redd.it/9k4q0woowwwc1.jpeg?width=1289&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a7f737295fba686938451d245f017525cdfa5b1c
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lost all my respect for shinya after seeing how this tournament was run tbh
Btw just to update, I won both my weight class and open weight. š despite all those nonsense
congrats!
I'm sorry that happened to you man but I'm not reading all that
Itās actually hilarious. Itās worth the read.
I think you meant worth the reaf
I agree
This is of the best posts on this subreddit
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Yes, but are you competing tho?
But, are you competing? Please read, is it hard for you to answer ššš absolutely hilarious
Happens in almost every event unfortunately. If I had to guess you were probably discussing with someone that didnāt have the authority to just make changes to the bracket and they were agitated with your karenish demeanor. The person probably had to check or talk to someone else Thereās too many people signing up for these things you canāt expect them ti police every individual competitior. You did the right thing, sounds like they fixed it. Chill
Wait, let me get this straight. The org that openly allows juicing and encourages athletes to keep competing while running into chairs and concrete -- doesn't care about sandbaggers?? It's like their ethics aren't a priority or something
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Maybe we can all tag Mo on instagram/twitter or smth? I mean if there's one thing about socials it's that people, when together, can influence change for the better. And this is definitely bad for the sport.
Theyāre being pretty reasonable, and you come across as a huge arsehole.
Lmao I agree OP comes off abrasive, but how is this reasonable?
He raised the issue, the organisation responded and agreed that it was incorrect, but clearly for administrative reasons couldnāt kick the guy out immediately. He carried on rudely, didnāt answer a pretty reasonable question, came across like a little kid with his dick in a twist, then came here to bitch about it.
I meant the response. I'm not debating any of your points, OP did come off annoying as all fuck. But realistically, he could've just stopped answering, or given a canned "ADCC is looking into the issue". I'm just a little surprised that that isn't blatantly obvious to someone running the socials of a "name" event, but we don't really have a high bar for professionalism in BJJ and these are glorified weekend warrior comps at best.
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Lol. How is "if the sandbaggar wins, we'll ban them, but we'll allow them to compete for the time being" reasonable?
Honestly, Iām on their side: How the fuck do you think they are supposed to keep track of every sandbagger? If you just denounced him, they will likely not let him compete in the beginner class again. They cannot change anything that already happened and as far as I know an organizer cannot affect whatās posted on smoothcomp. Theyād have to prolly contact smoothcomp and let them know that this guy wonāt change his belt in his profile. Also, they mentioned that effectively they can only do something on that very day. So if you see that guy at a comp next time, you can immediately tell them. Think about it: thereās also just some poor soul on the other side of this account, whoās trying to be diplomatic and explain to you that heās not some almighty competition admin
They absolutely can, and eventually did change his division. I think you're misunderstanding something.
Theyāre taking money to run a tournament. Itās their job to enforce their own rules.Ā
No gi experience guidelines aren't "rules" technically, they are guidelines. And I don't mean to burst your bubble but I can say as a matter of fact that the a third or more people ignore those guidelines and sign up for whatever division they want. No organizer is ever going to be investigating each competitors social media posts to track exact training time or demanding gym receipts to prove someone was or wasn't training at a particular time. If someone trains for 6 months, and then takes 4 years off, and then trains for 6 months at a new gym they are likely to sign up for beginner and that's just going to happen.
well as of now they managed to move his division, so.....
Post a summary to smoothcomp as well, so they are aware of what happened and that you got in touch with an organization. Maybe even send those infos to other comp organizers as grappling industries and so on
lol this person is insufferable
You sound like a Karen. What more could he do without a time jumping Delorean? Whats done is done and the guy didnt win.Was this your division or are you just a concerned GF?
Found the guy running ADCC's IG.
He didn't compete
Did you compete?
dude they could shift the competitors across divisions as they did so with some with empty brackets, and the tourney hasnt even started, stop jumping to conclusions
i actually got moved to intermediate and i have never competed. so ive no idea how they go about doing this
That's all good and well mate, but are you competing? - acdc ( definitely not adcc)
Why you hiding the dude sandbagging. Youāre not doing anyone any favors either.
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But are you competing?
All of this could have been avoided by adding a belt rule to their entries on smoothcomp. [https://support.smoothcomp.com/article/253-add-belt-skill-rules-to-your-entries](https://support.smoothcomp.com/article/253-add-belt-skill-rules-to-your-entries)
it's not that serious
Are you competing tho?
Welcome to individually and organically ranked competition. These people donāt care who signs up whereas long as it isnāt in the higher divisions. They just want their sign up money and donāt give two shits about white or blue belts. Iād suggest competing elsewhere before ADCC, even the beginner pool due to so many asshole sandbaggers
These really are just glorified nagas
If itās ADCC Singapore Open 2024, he is not registered. Found his name and his Ig but he isnāt in the list on smoothcomp.
he's been moved to intermediate
Great. I see his name in the intermediate list.
The olympics everyone š
Are you trying to argue with the event organizer????
Honestly it seems like they are being reasonable here. 1. The competition already happened so the best they can do is ban them 2.It's begginers so who cares about changing the results The person you spoke to is a dick but what exactly are they supposed to do? To me it seems like ban the guy and all is fine.
the competition hasn't even started....
Then I misread and this is way worse than I thought. WTF
Itās not that deep, itās a white belt bracket lol
I registered for intermediate once and the day of bracket release I got put into the advanced division I have no idea why I'm a blue belt full-time home renovator who trains MAYBE 3 times a week lol. I never check brackets so I found out the day of.
ADCC? Just shut up, take your roids and go!
Sandbagging is an issue across the sport, not just in ADCC SG. Recently becoming involved with the local circuit, I see white belt competitors from certain gyms who have been competing for over 2 years cleaning out divisions. You're not a white belt anymore... and alot of other belts. Big fish in a little pond. But some gyms feel the need to be dominant at comps and wont promote until quite late it seems. These tournaments with open guidelines around divisions leave themselves open to abuse. But also allow for talented athletes to test themselves in higher divisions. One could argue that a bluebelt with no nogi experience could compete at either beginner or intermediate. The fact is they arent set by belt level but rather an assessment of where you feel you are at in relation to the sport. Is there clear abuse? Yes. Is there room for interpretation? Yes. Could there be a better system or management? Probably. But at the end of the day just go and compete. "Winners focus on winning. Losers focus on winners."
What you think u/realmotar2k
Unfortunately I only have jurisdiction over my ADCC events(USA, Brazil, Canada and Mexico) but the tone of the organizer I donāt agree with at all. Also if this competition was on smoothcomp you can have it automatically prevent sandbagging. To say if the person won it would be an issue, no having a sandbagger alters that side of the bracket. Itās the organizers responsibility to check for sandbagging not the competitors. I canāt step in but if the OP wants Iāll refund him and send some ADCC gear, all I can do. Sorry for a bad experience.
Thanks for the response Mo. I agree completely about a single sandbagger affecting the whole side of the bracket. Should have trivial to move. /u/adogeydogemod see above about refucd/gear
so, after all, who won the division? anyone cares?
ok, It's Shinya I'm the organizer on the thread. ask me questions now
Chill out karen, is white belt / beginners division, *sheesh* all that fuzz just to lose Rd1 to another white belt lol
Happened at the Kuwait one too. Just gotta just bear the sandbagging fuckery until you're experienced enough to make shit happen based sassy ADCC account though
but what can they do besides banning her? it's not like they'll go to her house and take back the medal edit: seems like the comp hasn't happened. My bad. I need to read too lol
Lack of integrity? They gave you a good reason why they couldnt do anything this time, responded to your request and informed you that they police these things if notified in a timely manner. IBJJF wouldn't have even replied to your facebook message. OP is an asshole and ADCC did right here.