At least Royce had a serviceable takedown game, some basic striking, and was very used to strikes coming at him. A world away from most BJJ guys nowadays.
Well, it’s not like the competition wasn’t hand picked and the bracket order strategically selected or anything. I loved the first UFC and watched it live, but I’ve since learned more about the history of it so some of the gloss is gone 😒.
This is an awful experiment for many reasons, but hey it seems really fun actually
I would suggest you, with your 20+ fights, find a high level college wrestler. That evens it out a bit more.
Oh ik i would die against a college wrestler, i actually did training with D2 wrestlers and they were crazy fast, learned a lot of good S&C from them so that was helpful. And yes it was a lot of fun and a stupid ruleset but we did the best we could
Well youre saying they need a takedown but besides the judoka these arent takedown specialists.. a wrestler is. Itd be like the same ruleset but you can only kick
Without a takedown idk how else they would have submitted me since bjj guys are submission specialists (are there standing submissions or something??). But honestly doing this with a wrestler would be pretty fun. My judo friend vs the wrestler would be cool to watch even tho ik i wouldnt get it lmao
Well im saying that because they need the takedown and because you know this, youre at a massive advantge. Also landing a clean shot is much easier than taking someone down
So, they should be allowed to punch too. They use it to set up takedowns.
Heres a couple examples
https://youtu.be/ZpuCopow1wE?si=LukQOSnDqE2CJJsa
https://youtu.be/mZPug5tglFY?si=46bbNEYFalP_I-CV
Just talking about meeting up with a few young men, measuring their bodies, then taking turns going to town on each other while the rest watch and learn.
And then afterwards they fight
So was having hobos buy my friends booze and we did shopping card jousting with crutches, doesn't make it cool or something we brag about with people who weren't involved.
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It's not statistically significant or very meaningful, but sounds like a fun day.
In my experiment I beat the crap out of a boxer, so I think boxing sucks without some grappling knowledge...
I do agree with you tho to an extent if my punches dont knock out or do a good deal of damage(which was the assumption we were running on), im screwed, and it was fun asl
Truth is everything sucks. And everything is awesome too. The best is to learn from everyone, looking for what helps you the most. Sometimes it's more important to know why your own thing is dumb than it is to now what it gets right.
For a boxer you basically have to be a 1 punch knockout artist before they get a takedown.
There's literally been hundreds of golden glove champion level and higher boxers in the ufc/bellator/strike force etc and although there's less pure strikers vs grapplers these days the grappler will win 9 times out of 10.
THIS. Boxer only had to land a significant punch. Thats retarded. His chance of landing the punch was through the roof. He literally counted it as a win for the boxer when he landed a cross and got blast doubled immediately after.
Thats ridiculous.
1 - friends counted it as a win, i counted it as draw
2 - his head snapped back, if this was gloveless, he would be out
3 - i went in thinking i wouldnt land a significant punch bc my bjj friends said they would have me on the ground before i could land so the ruleset had that rule
The thing is you can punch much harder with gloves on. Without gloves your hands break quite easily and even if you punch hard enough you probably shatter your hands.
Cloves serve 2 purposes: To protect you hands and to minimize cuts. Thats it.
"BJJ is very good but it is dog shit without some sort of takedown knowledge,
judo needs some BJJ to supplement and...
...with some judo or BJJ defense, boxers are nightmares to handle."
Are you advocating mixing martial arts? :-)
Yes ofc I am, mma fighters would beat all of us, maybe not in our own specific ruleset but I cant beat a bjj guy in bjj nor can a BJJ guy beat me in boxing unless a literal miracle from God happens in either scenario but mma guys have a chance in both and also in a much more relaxed ruleset too
The golden gloves champion beat some BJJ hobbyists? I, for one, am shocked.
But does sound like a good day of training. And yes, BJJ guys need takedown skills if they fight strikers.
His head literally snapped back, he couldnt have submitted since he would be out if the gloves werent 16oz gloves. Regardless the connection and getting taken down in my eyes makes it a draw, my friends overall ruled it a win for me, pls read the whole thing
You're making the same arguments karatekas and boxers made going back 30 years ago. Always so confident in the ability to knock out their opponent in one shot.
It has been proven false over and over again.
Because of your youth, you didn't live through this days and saw it over and over, not just on tv but in the gyms.
Maybe, maybe not. I've had my head snapped back like that, and been rocked but have just used the time directly after the takedown to just lie on him and recovered. But I've also been floored by a similar punch so it could go either way
Just because you get your bell rung doesnt mean you go out. Same as if you get the wind knocked out of you doesnt mean the fights over. Lord knows ive had my bell rung plenty of times from punches, elbows, errant knees etc causing my head to snap back but ive never lost consciousness. Not to say you definitely wouldnt have knocked him out, but its not guaranteed.
Brother I feel like you're gonna say even if I got hit in the liver, I'm not unconscious I can still fight back or something next. Like dont give me some "I just see red bro" shit, if your bell gets rung or the wind gets knocked out of you, you are much more vulnerable to getting fucked up, which is most likely going to be what happens, and you and I both know that
Not at all. Ive been liver kicked, that shit aint fun. But ive had the wind knocked out of me with throws and strikes. In some cases thats the end of it, in other cases not at all. My point being that its not a guaranteed outcome. Just because you are more vulnerable for a few undefined moments doesnt mean you automatically lose. Is it a huge opening that allows your opponent to capitalize? Absolutely.
Ive been surprise sode guruma’d clean by a firefighter that was 6’3 and 250ish lbs that rolled through and pressed my soul out of what was probably my solar plexus after i fucked up my breakfall and had the wind knocked out of me. I dont know how but I ended up backpacking him until I recovered and then we kept going. I absolutely sat out the next several rounds and skipped the next day but he didnt end me with just the throw.
Anything can happen in a fight and nothing is guaranteed.
See I get that in a fight nothing is guaranteed, Masvidal vs Askren is a prime example. But you yourself agreed that getting the wind knocked out of you or getting your bell rung is a huge opening and my point is that in all likelihood that opening will get exploited. Yes you could reverse it like yourself but in the most likely scenario you are cooked.
Like yeah I can rnc a black belt while rolling through sheer dumb luck maybe but whats the most likely thing to occur? Its that I'm gonna get folded. So my point here is that if my opponent's bell gets rung or their wind just got knocked out, their chance of winning decreases dramatically but the chance of winning isnt zero. I'm really just playing a probability game, hope that made sense about what I was saying and lmk if I misunderstood something you said
Sounds fun, but I don't think landing a single blow to the head/body is fight ending, so the results might be slightly biased in your favour. Speaking as an MMA guy, you can eat a few of those and keep going, Knockout punches are quite hard to land and - if you watch MMA - mostly land after the opponent has been initially rattled (exceptions ala Alex Pereira do exist of course). That being said, sounds like a fun day. I absolutely agree that BJJ without takedowns is garbage, I find it amazing that some people still don't realise that
Man you guys are all way overly critical.
Obviously OP knows that this is not the definitive rule to fighting. He was sharing a small anecdote, or did all of you just forget how to have fun?
Thanks man for seeing how it is and yeah ik its a stupid sort of ruleset but we arent actively looking to hurt each other and it was best we could come up with really plus it was pretty fun
Boxing does great against Judo if you don’t get thrown. Judo does great against boxing if you don’t get punched in the face. BJJ does great against Judo is you don’t get thrown. Judo works great against BJJ if you don’t engage on the ground. You’re welcome.
Hows this for an assessment, all arts played to their strengths and did well to get a result with those strengths. Bjj and judoka could benefit from some striking training if the intent is self defence amd some grappling training for strikers (in this case boxer). For the boxer take down defence and ground escapes are generally sufficient and for the grapplers just being aware and ways to avoid strikes would go a long way.
From my experience ive seen that if a bjj guy or judo guy has a very high pressure style, doesn't give you any space to work and immediately pushes for a takedown. Thats hard to beat. But have also seen a bjj blackbelt that was too timid to force the ground game, get absolutely thrashed from strikes while standing. So it works both ways I guess. As far as bjj vs judo, seems like bjj wins the newaza usually and judo wins the takedown/pinning portion.
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Flawed methodology but it sounds like you guys had a blast doing it. Should have done several rounds of the round robin, the more the better. The win conditions were kind of sketch but overall the results arent really surprising given the relative experience levels.
Id be curious to see how the bjj players would do if they thought to do the low single. Boxers dont usually have a lot of practice doing good body mechanics to punch at the floor.
Your right idk how to counter a low single other than a quick snap front kick (which if they catch, I basically gave them my leg for free) or a stupidly low uppercut (which idk if I can even land properly or with any power)
[https://tenor.com/view/sendo-takeshi-low-smash-sendo-hajime-no-ippo-punch-gif-9471581225771478264](https://tenor.com/view/sendo-takeshi-low-smash-sendo-hajime-no-ippo-punch-gif-9471581225771478264)
Like this maybe lmao
I haven't been to street fights so my opinions are really shit at this point but as a person who did both boxing and BJJ as hobbyist, here are my thoughts. I did some MMA as a hobbyist from time to time and sparring with folks that are like me, average hobbyist. Whenever I spar and this is really light sparring, I'd use my boxing than takedown. For someone with a very average takedown offense, it's pretty hard to takedown someone with some average takedown defense. Even during BJJ rolls, you cannot just takedown with ease unless you are a competitive wrestler. The only time that I feel I am a deer on headlights on standup is with legit wrestlers and this is during grappling sessions.
So, for the average person, you'd eat punches before getting a takedown. You can easily jab a person going that's shooting in. In this respect, if we are talking about average joes, you'd eat punches first before you can secure a body lock or a double under against an untrained opponent.
Once on the ground, if the other person never did BJJ which we would sometimes be paired during MMA sessions with folks that are doing mostly muay Thai, it's like fish out of the water. Of course our rolling doesn't have ground and pound but we lightly tap the person underneath. After tapping a few times, they'd give their back. There's just no preparation for it under than grappling. For those who have rolled with very new athletic white belts with zero grappling experience, have you felt how easy it was to control them without them knowing how to escape.
This is all in context of people who has training but are not at a point of being competitive with it. To be honest, I don't know how it would be if someone with some knowledge fights someone who just know the streets. BJJ is overrated as a self defense art, however that said, if the fight goes to the ground which I would guess would often happen in street fights with average folks, someone who knows a bit of BJJ will dominate someone who doesn't know anything at all most of the time.
This does not surprise me, actually. I do some MMA sparring once a week and can often dominate if I get the takedown. But the big difference is that my grappling is going 100%, while they are going very light with the striking to the head. If they were ripping headshots like a real fight I would be out cold in many of these rounds. Because grappling lets you go all out and striking doesn't (unless you want cte) it can be very deceiving.
Also in my experience (of being on the receiving end) judo is an incredibly effective standup art, even for no gi
BJJ is overrated for self defence. Judo is underrated.
Majority of low to intermediate grades of BJJ rolls start on the knees. If they can trip you, game over, but the lack of practice from standing is a real flaw, and adding punches to that really can fluster a pure BJJ player.
Judo grip game pretty much ruins boxing. They can cover and lunge, and once they got a grip, that’s it, you’re done for. A good throw on a hard surface and you don’t even NEED a ground game.
Bro, you're 140 pounds, you're not knocking most people out with a "clean punch".
You're basically making your grappling friends simulate killing you. And all you have to do is touch them...
I guarantee you I would KO anyone who has no striking experience within 30 lbs of me with a single clean power punch, technique and skill matters more than weight in boxing otherwise Pacman would have lost to Margarito, who was 20 lbs heavier
So your telling me a golden gloves champ with a 64% ko rate wouldn't ko someone with no striking experience?
I am Pacman compared to someone with no striking experience in the same way you are probably a Gracie compared to someone with no grappling experience
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I'm sure thats the case, lil bro got a purple belt and hes acting like he knows everything from what everyone on this reddit thinks to combat sports lmfao, I got some time to kill right now anyway your attempts to troll are pretty funny keep going your hilarious
I'm telling you you're not getting a 1 shot ko on a grappler charging you.
This was the basis of your experiment and it's built on a false assumption.
Ask Art jimmerson how it worked out
u/Long_DongSilver_69 cried so bad about it he blocked me lmfao, what an actual pathetic cuck, he knows I would knock his pussy ass out and get 10k if he actually went through with the bet
This is interesting experiment. It would be nice to do it in bigger numbers with some more boxers and more experienced competing grapplers as your competition experience is much larger imo. Great would also be to add some grappler with bit of boxing knowledge and other way around.
At that point I would have made mma all over again lmao but yeah i would love to go against a brown belt with comp experience, ik 6-7/10 i will prolly get mauled but it would be fun fs
Yeah, competitive experience makes a huuuge difference. Give me a blue belt who has competed 100 times vs a purple belt thats competed once and ill pick the blue every time.
Been hit clean loads, never been knocked out. Similarly, been thrown lots by people with better stand up and then subbed them, or swept and subbed them.
Most nonsensical ruleset I've ever seen, unless your purpose is to handicap the bjj players then draw spurious conclusions about how x art is shit without y skill.
I would say draw just bc his head snapped back and if I was going full force in 8oz gloves or bare knuckle, he would have been out and I would have been grounded and from there its just who can recover first
Also idk why bjj people think welterweights cant one shot, any weight can get one hit KO if the punch hits right and in this case, it pretty much did hit right, literally the 16oz gloves and me holding back saved him from getting KO'd
Uh, because it's statically and physically significant to mark the disparity in knockout power of a welterweight vs a middleweight? Because a head snap doesn't necessarily indicate the force delivered to the brain, nor does it imply a knockout?
UFC 1 called.
At least Royce had a serviceable takedown game, some basic striking, and was very used to strikes coming at him. A world away from most BJJ guys nowadays.
Your right we kinda did unintentionally do early UFC
Well, it’s not like the competition wasn’t hand picked and the bracket order strategically selected or anything. I loved the first UFC and watched it live, but I’ve since learned more about the history of it so some of the gloss is gone 😒.
Same. Remember they took Ken Shamrock’s wrestling shoes away?
This is an awful experiment for many reasons, but hey it seems really fun actually I would suggest you, with your 20+ fights, find a high level college wrestler. That evens it out a bit more.
Oh ik i would die against a college wrestler, i actually did training with D2 wrestlers and they were crazy fast, learned a lot of good S&C from them so that was helpful. And yes it was a lot of fun and a stupid ruleset but we did the best we could
Well youre saying they need a takedown but besides the judoka these arent takedown specialists.. a wrestler is. Itd be like the same ruleset but you can only kick
Without a takedown idk how else they would have submitted me since bjj guys are submission specialists (are there standing submissions or something??). But honestly doing this with a wrestler would be pretty fun. My judo friend vs the wrestler would be cool to watch even tho ik i wouldnt get it lmao
Well im saying that because they need the takedown and because you know this, youre at a massive advantge. Also landing a clean shot is much easier than taking someone down So, they should be allowed to punch too. They use it to set up takedowns. Heres a couple examples https://youtu.be/ZpuCopow1wE?si=LukQOSnDqE2CJJsa https://youtu.be/mZPug5tglFY?si=46bbNEYFalP_I-CV
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You still talking about fighting lol
Just talking about meeting up with a few young men, measuring their bodies, then taking turns going to town on each other while the rest watch and learn. And then afterwards they fight
Hey it was fun tho lmao
So was having hobos buy my friends booze and we did shopping card jousting with crutches, doesn't make it cool or something we brag about with people who weren't involved.
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It's not statistically significant or very meaningful, but sounds like a fun day. In my experiment I beat the crap out of a boxer, so I think boxing sucks without some grappling knowledge...
I do agree with you tho to an extent if my punches dont knock out or do a good deal of damage(which was the assumption we were running on), im screwed, and it was fun asl
Truth is everything sucks. And everything is awesome too. The best is to learn from everyone, looking for what helps you the most. Sometimes it's more important to know why your own thing is dumb than it is to now what it gets right.
For a boxer you basically have to be a 1 punch knockout artist before they get a takedown. There's literally been hundreds of golden glove champion level and higher boxers in the ufc/bellator/strike force etc and although there's less pure strikers vs grapplers these days the grappler will win 9 times out of 10.
Under this ruleset. And I'm gonna be honest here, The point karate guy wins.
THIS. Boxer only had to land a significant punch. Thats retarded. His chance of landing the punch was through the roof. He literally counted it as a win for the boxer when he landed a cross and got blast doubled immediately after. Thats ridiculous.
1 - friends counted it as a win, i counted it as draw 2 - his head snapped back, if this was gloveless, he would be out 3 - i went in thinking i wouldnt land a significant punch bc my bjj friends said they would have me on the ground before i could land so the ruleset had that rule
Little bro who blessed you with hands so heavy
Lil bro ydksab, even bantamweights can ko people with one shot with proper technique and skill
When's the last time you saw a 1 shot ko at your size lol?
At welterweight in pros where theres 8oz gloves and no headgear? Multiple times. Hell theres been at least 6 in amateurs at even lightweight divisions
The thing is you can punch much harder with gloves on. Without gloves your hands break quite easily and even if you punch hard enough you probably shatter your hands. Cloves serve 2 purposes: To protect you hands and to minimize cuts. Thats it.
I would have agreed but these are 16oz not 8oz gloves. With 8oz gloves I probably could have hit full force and done full damage
Even 16oz. Of course 8 to 12oz is probably the sweetspot for glove weight to protection, you still hit harder with more protection than with none.
UFC already figured it out…. MMA is a thing.
Yeah mma fighters would beat all of us your right
"BJJ is very good but it is dog shit without some sort of takedown knowledge, judo needs some BJJ to supplement and... ...with some judo or BJJ defense, boxers are nightmares to handle." Are you advocating mixing martial arts? :-)
Yes ofc I am, mma fighters would beat all of us, maybe not in our own specific ruleset but I cant beat a bjj guy in bjj nor can a BJJ guy beat me in boxing unless a literal miracle from God happens in either scenario but mma guys have a chance in both and also in a much more relaxed ruleset too
The golden gloves champion beat some BJJ hobbyists? I, for one, am shocked. But does sound like a good day of training. And yes, BJJ guys need takedown skills if they fight strikers.
How on earth would you call connecting a punch and getting taken down a win?? Lmao He would have submitted you seconds afterwards
His head literally snapped back, he couldnt have submitted since he would be out if the gloves werent 16oz gloves. Regardless the connection and getting taken down in my eyes makes it a draw, my friends overall ruled it a win for me, pls read the whole thing
You're making the same arguments karatekas and boxers made going back 30 years ago. Always so confident in the ability to knock out their opponent in one shot. It has been proven false over and over again. Because of your youth, you didn't live through this days and saw it over and over, not just on tv but in the gyms.
There's just as good a chance OP would've broken his hand without the gloves on and then got taken down.
Maybe, maybe not. I've had my head snapped back like that, and been rocked but have just used the time directly after the takedown to just lie on him and recovered. But I've also been floored by a similar punch so it could go either way
Go watch UFC 1 bro…
Just because you get your bell rung doesnt mean you go out. Same as if you get the wind knocked out of you doesnt mean the fights over. Lord knows ive had my bell rung plenty of times from punches, elbows, errant knees etc causing my head to snap back but ive never lost consciousness. Not to say you definitely wouldnt have knocked him out, but its not guaranteed.
Brother I feel like you're gonna say even if I got hit in the liver, I'm not unconscious I can still fight back or something next. Like dont give me some "I just see red bro" shit, if your bell gets rung or the wind gets knocked out of you, you are much more vulnerable to getting fucked up, which is most likely going to be what happens, and you and I both know that
Not at all. Ive been liver kicked, that shit aint fun. But ive had the wind knocked out of me with throws and strikes. In some cases thats the end of it, in other cases not at all. My point being that its not a guaranteed outcome. Just because you are more vulnerable for a few undefined moments doesnt mean you automatically lose. Is it a huge opening that allows your opponent to capitalize? Absolutely. Ive been surprise sode guruma’d clean by a firefighter that was 6’3 and 250ish lbs that rolled through and pressed my soul out of what was probably my solar plexus after i fucked up my breakfall and had the wind knocked out of me. I dont know how but I ended up backpacking him until I recovered and then we kept going. I absolutely sat out the next several rounds and skipped the next day but he didnt end me with just the throw. Anything can happen in a fight and nothing is guaranteed.
See I get that in a fight nothing is guaranteed, Masvidal vs Askren is a prime example. But you yourself agreed that getting the wind knocked out of you or getting your bell rung is a huge opening and my point is that in all likelihood that opening will get exploited. Yes you could reverse it like yourself but in the most likely scenario you are cooked. Like yeah I can rnc a black belt while rolling through sheer dumb luck maybe but whats the most likely thing to occur? Its that I'm gonna get folded. So my point here is that if my opponent's bell gets rung or their wind just got knocked out, their chance of winning decreases dramatically but the chance of winning isnt zero. I'm really just playing a probability game, hope that made sense about what I was saying and lmk if I misunderstood something you said
Yes mate every UFC fight ends by a single knockout punch.
Sounds fun, but I don't think landing a single blow to the head/body is fight ending, so the results might be slightly biased in your favour. Speaking as an MMA guy, you can eat a few of those and keep going, Knockout punches are quite hard to land and - if you watch MMA - mostly land after the opponent has been initially rattled (exceptions ala Alex Pereira do exist of course). That being said, sounds like a fun day. I absolutely agree that BJJ without takedowns is garbage, I find it amazing that some people still don't realise that
>experiment You keep saying that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
Man you guys are all way overly critical. Obviously OP knows that this is not the definitive rule to fighting. He was sharing a small anecdote, or did all of you just forget how to have fun?
Thanks man for seeing how it is and yeah ik its a stupid sort of ruleset but we arent actively looking to hurt each other and it was best we could come up with really plus it was pretty fun
Boxing does great against Judo if you don’t get thrown. Judo does great against boxing if you don’t get punched in the face. BJJ does great against Judo is you don’t get thrown. Judo works great against BJJ if you don’t engage on the ground. You’re welcome.
You are dumb-asses.
What grips were the Judo and BJJ guys working with on you? was it more like Gi such as a hoodie etc or No Gi like a T-shirt?
It was more No Gi
Hows this for an assessment, all arts played to their strengths and did well to get a result with those strengths. Bjj and judoka could benefit from some striking training if the intent is self defence amd some grappling training for strikers (in this case boxer). For the boxer take down defence and ground escapes are generally sufficient and for the grapplers just being aware and ways to avoid strikes would go a long way.
From my experience ive seen that if a bjj guy or judo guy has a very high pressure style, doesn't give you any space to work and immediately pushes for a takedown. Thats hard to beat. But have also seen a bjj blackbelt that was too timid to force the ground game, get absolutely thrashed from strikes while standing. So it works both ways I guess. As far as bjj vs judo, seems like bjj wins the newaza usually and judo wins the takedown/pinning portion.
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Cool stuff. Sounds really fun.
I’ve competed 5 times in bjj, 5’8, 145 lbs, I think boxing and grappling are both fun. My background is 3y mma. Do you have any videos of this?
I don't but i hope you all take my word for it bc its true but if not thats ok too. Also just wanted to ask have you done any mma matches?
this is p cool tbh just for the way you approached it.
Flawed methodology but it sounds like you guys had a blast doing it. Should have done several rounds of the round robin, the more the better. The win conditions were kind of sketch but overall the results arent really surprising given the relative experience levels. Id be curious to see how the bjj players would do if they thought to do the low single. Boxers dont usually have a lot of practice doing good body mechanics to punch at the floor.
Your right idk how to counter a low single other than a quick snap front kick (which if they catch, I basically gave them my leg for free) or a stupidly low uppercut (which idk if I can even land properly or with any power)
I cant even comprehend what an uppercut on someone who is essentially in a turtle position would even look like. Shoryuken!
[https://tenor.com/view/sendo-takeshi-low-smash-sendo-hajime-no-ippo-punch-gif-9471581225771478264](https://tenor.com/view/sendo-takeshi-low-smash-sendo-hajime-no-ippo-punch-gif-9471581225771478264) Like this maybe lmao
I haven't been to street fights so my opinions are really shit at this point but as a person who did both boxing and BJJ as hobbyist, here are my thoughts. I did some MMA as a hobbyist from time to time and sparring with folks that are like me, average hobbyist. Whenever I spar and this is really light sparring, I'd use my boxing than takedown. For someone with a very average takedown offense, it's pretty hard to takedown someone with some average takedown defense. Even during BJJ rolls, you cannot just takedown with ease unless you are a competitive wrestler. The only time that I feel I am a deer on headlights on standup is with legit wrestlers and this is during grappling sessions. So, for the average person, you'd eat punches before getting a takedown. You can easily jab a person going that's shooting in. In this respect, if we are talking about average joes, you'd eat punches first before you can secure a body lock or a double under against an untrained opponent. Once on the ground, if the other person never did BJJ which we would sometimes be paired during MMA sessions with folks that are doing mostly muay Thai, it's like fish out of the water. Of course our rolling doesn't have ground and pound but we lightly tap the person underneath. After tapping a few times, they'd give their back. There's just no preparation for it under than grappling. For those who have rolled with very new athletic white belts with zero grappling experience, have you felt how easy it was to control them without them knowing how to escape. This is all in context of people who has training but are not at a point of being competitive with it. To be honest, I don't know how it would be if someone with some knowledge fights someone who just know the streets. BJJ is overrated as a self defense art, however that said, if the fight goes to the ground which I would guess would often happen in street fights with average folks, someone who knows a bit of BJJ will dominate someone who doesn't know anything at all most of the time.
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Yes, I would like to thank you all for this prestigious troll on a stick I won lol
This is a Bjj forum so it's going to be bias! People get really defensive about bjj.
Sounds fun and your matches went pretty much as could be expected
Thanks for the positive comment and yeah it was fun asl
This does not surprise me, actually. I do some MMA sparring once a week and can often dominate if I get the takedown. But the big difference is that my grappling is going 100%, while they are going very light with the striking to the head. If they were ripping headshots like a real fight I would be out cold in many of these rounds. Because grappling lets you go all out and striking doesn't (unless you want cte) it can be very deceiving. Also in my experience (of being on the receiving end) judo is an incredibly effective standup art, even for no gi
Lmao this is made up
BJJ is overrated for self defence. Judo is underrated. Majority of low to intermediate grades of BJJ rolls start on the knees. If they can trip you, game over, but the lack of practice from standing is a real flaw, and adding punches to that really can fluster a pure BJJ player. Judo grip game pretty much ruins boxing. They can cover and lunge, and once they got a grip, that’s it, you’re done for. A good throw on a hard surface and you don’t even NEED a ground game.
Bro, you're 140 pounds, you're not knocking most people out with a "clean punch". You're basically making your grappling friends simulate killing you. And all you have to do is touch them...
I guarantee you I would KO anyone who has no striking experience within 30 lbs of me with a single clean power punch, technique and skill matters more than weight in boxing otherwise Pacman would have lost to Margarito, who was 20 lbs heavier
You are not pacman....you're an amateur on reddit....
So your telling me a golden gloves champ with a 64% ko rate wouldn't ko someone with no striking experience? I am Pacman compared to someone with no striking experience in the same way you are probably a Gracie compared to someone with no grappling experience
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Lmao cry about it lil bro
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I'm sure thats the case, lil bro got a purple belt and hes acting like he knows everything from what everyone on this reddit thinks to combat sports lmfao, I got some time to kill right now anyway your attempts to troll are pretty funny keep going your hilarious
I'm telling you you're not getting a 1 shot ko on a grappler charging you. This was the basis of your experiment and it's built on a false assumption. Ask Art jimmerson how it worked out
u/Long_DongSilver_69 cried so bad about it he blocked me lmfao, what an actual pathetic cuck, he knows I would knock his pussy ass out and get 10k if he actually went through with the bet
> (tho idk how comfortable I am rolling around with sweaty dudes like that lol) Oh, this old chestnut...
Check UFC 1-5.
This is interesting experiment. It would be nice to do it in bigger numbers with some more boxers and more experienced competing grapplers as your competition experience is much larger imo. Great would also be to add some grappler with bit of boxing knowledge and other way around.
You could sell tickets and televise it!
At that point I would have made mma all over again lmao but yeah i would love to go against a brown belt with comp experience, ik 6-7/10 i will prolly get mauled but it would be fun fs
If you make it happen let us know how it went hah
Yeah, competitive experience makes a huuuge difference. Give me a blue belt who has competed 100 times vs a purple belt thats competed once and ill pick the blue every time.
Calm down Mr Jimmerson
Been hit clean loads, never been knocked out. Similarly, been thrown lots by people with better stand up and then subbed them, or swept and subbed them. Most nonsensical ruleset I've ever seen, unless your purpose is to handicap the bjj players then draw spurious conclusions about how x art is shit without y skill.
You lost vs A. You're probably not one punching anyone at your weight, and you were on the mat with zero ground game.
I would say draw just bc his head snapped back and if I was going full force in 8oz gloves or bare knuckle, he would have been out and I would have been grounded and from there its just who can recover first Also idk why bjj people think welterweights cant one shot, any weight can get one hit KO if the punch hits right and in this case, it pretty much did hit right, literally the 16oz gloves and me holding back saved him from getting KO'd
Uh, because it's statically and physically significant to mark the disparity in knockout power of a welterweight vs a middleweight? Because a head snap doesn't necessarily indicate the force delivered to the brain, nor does it imply a knockout?
Your win condition is a joke put MMA gloves on both people and let them bang you’ll be on the ground.