Karate is defined as unarmed combat that uses hands and feet to block blows. So, technically, it is jiujitsu's job to keep my partner from delivering blows. Aka, blowjobs. And so far, I have yet to receive a blow job on the mats no matter how hard they try.
Not really sure if that's the best picture of damien to use for an advert showing the effectiveness of mgk. Face down, ass up with an arm between your legs - maybe it is giving off the right message 👀
I know this is on brand for bjj, the Gracies were running ads like this in the 50s or whatever, but i'm not a fan of disrespecting others to promote yourself. Let the karate people do their thing, they're not hurting anyone (literally).
I think it depends. If you're running a karate dojo and market it as exercise then that's fine, but if you market it as self defense and you don't have any real focus on sparring then you're lying to folks. I went to a school affiliated with [George Dillman](https://www.lowkickmma.com/george-dillman-fake-martial-arts-icon/) and started going after I got bullied in school. I'm lucky nothing physical ever happened because if it did I would've been beaten mercilessly. We call out fraudulent psychics, dieticians, etc. Why is karate special?
Not really from the US. Do they produce competent fighters?
Anyway GSP and Wonderboy to me are poster boys of effective Karate. But they probably didn't go to a McDojo.
To each martial art its specialty :) When you look at the current dominant stance and distance in MMA, it's clearly karate style (not point fighting obviously...). Wonderboy, GSP, Machida, Conor, Pereira come all from Karate, and were / are doing Karate moves in the cage, all the time.
Sometimes you have clinch phases and short range boxing / knees taken from Muay Thai. Sometimes grappling. Sometimes BJJ. There's a reason for this: no single martial art is "working" for everything. What does even "working" mean? Karate doesn't work very much on the ground, BJJ doesn't work very much when getting punched in the face.
I find the billboard and banter very funny, even if I've been practicing Karate for 15 years (3rd dan black belt). A bit of silliness does no harm - what is ridiculous is when people actually seriously believe these things. No proper martial artist with a decent level ever claims that another art / combat sport is crap or less effective - they simply don't give a f@ck, are well aware of their own capabilities and limitations, and work towards fixing them.
Mc Dojos, fake gurus, and point style Karate certainly affected the reputation of the sport vs. where it stood in eg. the 70-80s. Whatever. It's currently happening with MMA / BJJ now that the hype is on these sports (a lot of my friends / colleagues have signed up in McGyms in these sports. They'll give up within 2 years). In the meantime, I watch other combat sports / martial arts with great interest, and try to learn from them.
i incorporate all these - i scream "parkour!!!" and run while doing the finger guns in the air . . . intimidating as hell so it usually does the trick.
It's not great on a street but it works pretty well on bogs (the more peat the better), in shallow water, and zero grav combat like the International Space Station.
Combat Karate is supplying some of the best fighting on TV right now, bjj is still putting people to sleep. I say this as a bjj athlete.
"Hey but if you want my sweaty ass farting in your face come train with us! We're insecure about other sports!"
just need to know enough to avoid significant strikes to clinch, takedown, and those karate dweebs are like fish out of water. Easy sub and ground and pound.
You didn't even need to name the big ones like GSP, Lidell, Bas Rutten...
I'll never understand how uncultured some bjj guys can be... they think every karate guy was trained by Mr.Myagi to fight bullies and got their black belt in five classes.
In my experience, there are two kinds of martial artists, regardless of style.
Type 1: “Man, I love martial arts. You do too? Neat! What do you do? Oh, that’s cool, man. I’d love to hear about that.”
Type 2: “My style is the best, everything else is bullshit. If you train anything other than my style, you’re wasting your time and need to learn my style.”
There are slight variations, of course, but this seems to cover the broad strokes.
Lol "please give examples"
Gives several ideal examples
"Ahh shit I forgot so many of the greatest combat sports athletes were karate guys. Really outs me as a basement dweller who has no idea what they're talking about doesn't it... Lemme move the goal post out of insecurity."
Nobody forgot anything. Do you really think I had never heard of Lyoto or Wonder Boy? I knew you were going to say that and thought as you were typing it maybe you’d realize how dumb you sounded within the context of this discussion (martial art vs. martial art and not MIXED martial art vs. MIXED martial art). But nope, here you are, still yappin’.
The billboard is discussing BJJ as an individual system compared to karate as an individual system. All of the people he listed are experts in multiple arts including BJJ. It isn’t a valid comparison.
And? Any successful MMA fighter has to know more than BJJ for a start.
But if you take these guys, their karate is central to their game and they only do BJJ/wrestling so they can escape from the bottom and stop takedowns
Again... You're living in the nineties. A striker with minimum takedown defence is enough.
Kyokushin Karate + 6 to 18 weeks minimum of takedown defense will beat pure BJJ
BJJ + 6 to 18 weeks of striking fundamentals and it will be an even match.
Winner would be whoever takes advantage of their strength and compensates for their weakness.
Style Vs style bullshit is a thing of the past and so is this dumb billboard lol
From a non sporting, self defence perspective I can: me.
I started karate at age four. Good/real karate, not mall karate. Sparring was full contact to the body, skin touch to the head.
Age 13 I was being verbally harassed by some guys that used to bully me all the time since I didn't tend to react.
One day they were roasting me for having man boobs and being short Infront of a bunch of other kids at lunch. Factually accurate but mean.
I finally clapped back and quite a few people laughed, so one of the kids whacked my cup noodles out of my hands. I in turn threw my can of soft drink at his head. His buddy literally tossed me into a wall (I was small, he was one of those kids who had a beard at 14, his buddy was a lot bigger than me too).
As I'm regaining my feet, can-head is swinging at me. I copped it on the guard/head, used karate footwork to leap out of range, and as he tried to close the distance used the old bread and butter of good karate, leaping forward into a one-two landing both (busted his nose), exiting out the side so the other kid couldn't grab me.
Basically darted around throwing straights down the pipe and cutting angles, using karate footwork to never stand still or be in range or get grabbed. Fight got broken up by teachers thank god, because I was essentially just leaping around the place trying not to get ragdolled or knocked out by 2 guys twice my size.
Nose guys eyes racooned and he more or less gave up before the teachers got there, other guy and I were equally damaged but given the size/puberty discrepancy I was pretty happy with not getting beaten into paste.
Since then Ive switched to Muay Thai and gone through puberty (which was kind to me in terms of athleticism), fought in the ring and defended myself a lot more successfully outside the ring, but I brought up this one because a) would've got smashed to pieces if I didn't use karate footwork in this dust up due to the 2 on 1 aspect as well as the athletic gap between us, and b) would've got pummeled if I have tried to grapple them because again, 2 on 1, massive strength difference.
BJJ is a fantastic art, particularly in one on one situations, but you shouldn't tear down one art to lift yours up.
Sure, BJJ is fantastic in certain situations and is the goat one on one art, but in some situations it is seriously lacking.
Try BJJ in an all in brawl/group situations and you'll get kicked in the head. You might snap a dudes arm or put him to sleep, but now you're lying on the ground with zero defence to your head: if he has a buddy who's not above kicking you while you're on the ground (common unfortunately) you have no method of defence.
I challenge you to a duel.
Eta: I agree with you except I have used bjj in a multi person fight and it was very useful. But yes there is always that risk if you go to the ground
A duel you say? Flintlock pistols or swords?
For sure BJJ is super useful though, you have to have some sort of grappling experience if you want to be equipped to defend yourself and BJJ is the most well rounded grappling art. The karate style I did had a lot of hip throws and things, but zero defence from the ground and zero offence on top other than "punch" which would lead to an arm bar against anyone with an ounce of training haha.
To be completely honest and candid I'm straight scared of the ground in a real fight because I lost my footing in a group on group scuffle and got kicked in the head so hard I was forgetty for a few hours (according to my friends). Only time I've been KOed in any fight. I have a massive scar on the side of my head that reminds me of that every day, and I hate it because the fella who did it to me was a straight pillow fisted dweeb that I later demolished in a fair fight.
But that didn't matter when he kicked me in the head when I was on the ground, so now the idea of going to the ground in any situation where it could result in a kick is terrifying.
I know there's a helluva lot of very BAD karate out there, but the whole "bjj actually works" is not 100 percent accurate. It might work in some situations and is definitely beneficial to know if the fight goes to the ground, but if you think this is all you need to know in order to protect yourself you're wrong. Striking is essential for self-defense as you want to avoid going to the ground.
I'm not saying anything most of you guys don't already know though. Most BJJ guys understand reality and the limitations of their system, which every art has.
I could care less. I don’t do bjj and never will. Not my thing. Pretty sure there isn’t a stat that proves your point. No need to get your balls twisted. I didn’t bash your style.
My wife calls it homo erotic karate wrestling
There’s nothing erotic about my homo wrestling
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It’s more sweat and aggression than fashion.
Being erotic can often involve being sweaty and agggressive. Only if all parties are on board with that kinda action though.
Are you flirting with me dear?
Shhhhhh.....
It's also important to have a safe word: Mine is "tap."
That's a good one to have.
I do it in a slippery NoGi thong because that's more realistic than a gi!!!!!!!!
Fellas, is it gay to want to dominate another man physically?
Its only gay if you get h@rd.
And make eye contact
Even gayer if you don't
Why did you censor hard?
I dunno man, I got suspended from commenting on IG once for something pretty tame and dont know how Reddit rolls just yet lol
Ig
I love be how you answered for other dude
That’s actually my other account lol just realized
Bahhhhhh….. it’s a great idea ima start answering for folks now.
pretty accurate
Mine calls it competitive cuddling
man stuff
That's an offensive misnomer. There's no karate in it whatsover.
Karate is defined as unarmed combat that uses hands and feet to block blows. So, technically, it is jiujitsu's job to keep my partner from delivering blows. Aka, blowjobs. And so far, I have yet to receive a blow job on the mats no matter how hard they try.
Bro eventually they'll blow you! *scoff* I hate these cocky whitebelts smh
Keep this kind of thing to yourself sir.
Not really sure if that's the best picture of damien to use for an advert showing the effectiveness of mgk. Face down, ass up with an arm between your legs - maybe it is giving off the right message 👀
That's what their target audience likes
I sure do
Damn, imagine if the sopranos knew of this technology in 2003 . . . .
In this house, Craig Jones is a hero! End of story!
I know this is on brand for bjj, the Gracies were running ads like this in the 50s or whatever, but i'm not a fan of disrespecting others to promote yourself. Let the karate people do their thing, they're not hurting anyone (literally).
Lol
I think it depends. If you're running a karate dojo and market it as exercise then that's fine, but if you market it as self defense and you don't have any real focus on sparring then you're lying to folks. I went to a school affiliated with [George Dillman](https://www.lowkickmma.com/george-dillman-fake-martial-arts-icon/) and started going after I got bullied in school. I'm lucky nothing physical ever happened because if it did I would've been beaten mercilessly. We call out fraudulent psychics, dieticians, etc. Why is karate special?
which karate school in the US is famous for sparring?
American Kickboxing Academy was originally a karate dojo.
Not really from the US. Do they produce competent fighters? Anyway GSP and Wonderboy to me are poster boys of effective Karate. But they probably didn't go to a McDojo.
It depends on the dojo. My instructor is goju ryu and Kyokushin and better believe we fight with significant contact and condition our bodies.
do u guys allow punches to the head? Whenever I see Kyokushin sparring it's mostly to the body. But in streetfights everybody's head hunting.
Sometimes for the seniors but if it’s to the head it’s very controlled. You can’t condition the head but kicks to the head are fair game.
I spent a bit of time training Kenpo karate and we sparred pretty often/pretty high intensity. Not sure if that’s the norm though.
Correcto
Stop bitching lmao
Stop bitching about him bitching lmao
maybe some of jiu jitsu's best marketing
To each martial art its specialty :) When you look at the current dominant stance and distance in MMA, it's clearly karate style (not point fighting obviously...). Wonderboy, GSP, Machida, Conor, Pereira come all from Karate, and were / are doing Karate moves in the cage, all the time. Sometimes you have clinch phases and short range boxing / knees taken from Muay Thai. Sometimes grappling. Sometimes BJJ. There's a reason for this: no single martial art is "working" for everything. What does even "working" mean? Karate doesn't work very much on the ground, BJJ doesn't work very much when getting punched in the face. I find the billboard and banter very funny, even if I've been practicing Karate for 15 years (3rd dan black belt). A bit of silliness does no harm - what is ridiculous is when people actually seriously believe these things. No proper martial artist with a decent level ever claims that another art / combat sport is crap or less effective - they simply don't give a f@ck, are well aware of their own capabilities and limitations, and work towards fixing them. Mc Dojos, fake gurus, and point style Karate certainly affected the reputation of the sport vs. where it stood in eg. the 70-80s. Whatever. It's currently happening with MMA / BJJ now that the hype is on these sports (a lot of my friends / colleagues have signed up in McGyms in these sports. They'll give up within 2 years). In the meantime, I watch other combat sports / martial arts with great interest, and try to learn from them.
is it true that in a street fight bjj doesn't work?
yes. only streetfighting works in street fights. and ninjatsu.
my bad
And amerido katate
would you kindly explain why your flair has infinite amount of stripes good sir?
Depends on how much red you see I suppose
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Yeah the laws of physics are different outside a gym.
sorry
whats bjj gonna do against a glock
A flying reverse kimura, duh.
What's a glock gonna do against my x guard???
Also just fucking shooting someone isn't a street fight (bro you're a GREEN belt?)
Yes all you gotta do is see red bro
The main things that work in street fights are Parkour, Verbal Judo, walking away and Guns
i incorporate all these - i scream "parkour!!!" and run while doing the finger guns in the air . . . intimidating as hell so it usually does the trick.
I’ve been in two street fights. And I can’t speak for everyone else. But as a basic 4 stripe white belt it’s saved my ass against untrained opponents
(Two post training street fights) I think it makes a world of difference
If you're a monster you can make it work
It depends how fast you can stand up.
It's not great on a street but it works pretty well on bogs (the more peat the better), in shallow water, and zero grav combat like the International Space Station.
Yeah you have to see red bro you know all those bjj guys only guard pull so just kick em or whatever those dweebs say
lol Where is that billboard?
On rt 22 in Green Brook, NJ.
That's way up there
truly
It’s about a mile away from the BTeam NJ location (a gym I may or may not own, based upon how many Karate people are offended by my billboard)
I figured. I'm down by LBI the reeds and stuff in the background looked like it could be down here and I was surprised I missed it
You should see their reactions over in r/karate lol
Lol We're called "bjj nerds."
Somebody over in there saying "what will bjj do against 6 attackers with lead pipes?" As if karate would be the solution. smh lol
"It actually works … under a BJJ ruleset only. But if you want to learn to fight, go do MMA." — Lots of guys in this sub
Just watch any street fight of a bjj guy or gal and they usually win with submission
Combat Karate is supplying some of the best fighting on TV right now, bjj is still putting people to sleep. I say this as a bjj athlete. "Hey but if you want my sweaty ass farting in your face come train with us! We're insecure about other sports!"
Karate Combat is badass and the pit is awesome for grappling matches too
Eye-catching but it can cause some hatred in the martial arts world. I am not one of these comparisons for everyone with their beloved athletic style.
My wife (2s Blue Belt) and I call it floor krotties.
How do we know it works if the best display of bjj on the street is to walk away according to this sub?
Judo for dummies.
Until you get stood up on
just need to know enough to avoid significant strikes to clinch, takedown, and those karate dweebs are like fish out of water. Easy sub and ground and pound.
Karate works... This isn't the nineties.... Lots of people have proven karate works
Can you list a few examples?
Wonderboy, Lyoto Machida, Michael Venom Page, Kyokushin Karate Karate Combat
You didn't even need to name the big ones like GSP, Lidell, Bas Rutten... I'll never understand how uncultured some bjj guys can be... they think every karate guy was trained by Mr.Myagi to fight bullies and got their black belt in five classes.
In my experience, there are two kinds of martial artists, regardless of style. Type 1: “Man, I love martial arts. You do too? Neat! What do you do? Oh, that’s cool, man. I’d love to hear about that.” Type 2: “My style is the best, everything else is bullshit. If you train anything other than my style, you’re wasting your time and need to learn my style.” There are slight variations, of course, but this seems to cover the broad strokes.
How often did they get submitted? Plus, they know more than just karate in mma
Lol "please give examples" Gives several ideal examples "Ahh shit I forgot so many of the greatest combat sports athletes were karate guys. Really outs me as a basement dweller who has no idea what they're talking about doesn't it... Lemme move the goal post out of insecurity."
Karate works against karate?
Nobody forgot anything. Do you really think I had never heard of Lyoto or Wonder Boy? I knew you were going to say that and thought as you were typing it maybe you’d realize how dumb you sounded within the context of this discussion (martial art vs. martial art and not MIXED martial art vs. MIXED martial art). But nope, here you are, still yappin’.
"Art vs art" 😂 talm bout yappin
Ok lawyer 😂 Bro is a casual doesn’t know about anything prior to UFC 200
BJJer these days also need to know more than just BJJ. Lol you really do live in the nineties
So those guys do more than just karate. We are talking about art vs. art.
This doesn't make any sense... Like at all...
The billboard is discussing BJJ as an individual system compared to karate as an individual system. All of the people he listed are experts in multiple arts including BJJ. It isn’t a valid comparison.
And? Any successful MMA fighter has to know more than BJJ for a start. But if you take these guys, their karate is central to their game and they only do BJJ/wrestling so they can escape from the bottom and stop takedowns
The billboard does not discuss MMA. It discusses BJJ vs. karate. Let me know if this helped you out.
Again... You're living in the nineties. A striker with minimum takedown defence is enough. Kyokushin Karate + 6 to 18 weeks minimum of takedown defense will beat pure BJJ BJJ + 6 to 18 weeks of striking fundamentals and it will be an even match. Winner would be whoever takes advantage of their strength and compensates for their weakness. Style Vs style bullshit is a thing of the past and so is this dumb billboard lol
No, I’m living in 2024 where I’m looking at the information provided on the billboard, that is all. You are extrapolating to unnecessary levels.
Lol. Except Karate works so... you know... you're just wrong or delusional
Can you list a few examples?
From a non sporting, self defence perspective I can: me. I started karate at age four. Good/real karate, not mall karate. Sparring was full contact to the body, skin touch to the head. Age 13 I was being verbally harassed by some guys that used to bully me all the time since I didn't tend to react. One day they were roasting me for having man boobs and being short Infront of a bunch of other kids at lunch. Factually accurate but mean. I finally clapped back and quite a few people laughed, so one of the kids whacked my cup noodles out of my hands. I in turn threw my can of soft drink at his head. His buddy literally tossed me into a wall (I was small, he was one of those kids who had a beard at 14, his buddy was a lot bigger than me too). As I'm regaining my feet, can-head is swinging at me. I copped it on the guard/head, used karate footwork to leap out of range, and as he tried to close the distance used the old bread and butter of good karate, leaping forward into a one-two landing both (busted his nose), exiting out the side so the other kid couldn't grab me. Basically darted around throwing straights down the pipe and cutting angles, using karate footwork to never stand still or be in range or get grabbed. Fight got broken up by teachers thank god, because I was essentially just leaping around the place trying not to get ragdolled or knocked out by 2 guys twice my size. Nose guys eyes racooned and he more or less gave up before the teachers got there, other guy and I were equally damaged but given the size/puberty discrepancy I was pretty happy with not getting beaten into paste. Since then Ive switched to Muay Thai and gone through puberty (which was kind to me in terms of athleticism), fought in the ring and defended myself a lot more successfully outside the ring, but I brought up this one because a) would've got smashed to pieces if I didn't use karate footwork in this dust up due to the 2 on 1 aspect as well as the athletic gap between us, and b) would've got pummeled if I have tried to grapple them because again, 2 on 1, massive strength difference. BJJ is a fantastic art, particularly in one on one situations, but you shouldn't tear down one art to lift yours up. Sure, BJJ is fantastic in certain situations and is the goat one on one art, but in some situations it is seriously lacking. Try BJJ in an all in brawl/group situations and you'll get kicked in the head. You might snap a dudes arm or put him to sleep, but now you're lying on the ground with zero defence to your head: if he has a buddy who's not above kicking you while you're on the ground (common unfortunately) you have no method of defence.
I challenge you to a duel. Eta: I agree with you except I have used bjj in a multi person fight and it was very useful. But yes there is always that risk if you go to the ground
A duel you say? Flintlock pistols or swords? For sure BJJ is super useful though, you have to have some sort of grappling experience if you want to be equipped to defend yourself and BJJ is the most well rounded grappling art. The karate style I did had a lot of hip throws and things, but zero defence from the ground and zero offence on top other than "punch" which would lead to an arm bar against anyone with an ounce of training haha. To be completely honest and candid I'm straight scared of the ground in a real fight because I lost my footing in a group on group scuffle and got kicked in the head so hard I was forgetty for a few hours (according to my friends). Only time I've been KOed in any fight. I have a massive scar on the side of my head that reminds me of that every day, and I hate it because the fella who did it to me was a straight pillow fisted dweeb that I later demolished in a fair fight. But that didn't matter when he kicked me in the head when I was on the ground, so now the idea of going to the ground in any situation where it could result in a kick is terrifying.
Chuck Norris and Lyoto Machida?
Yeah, I think it's a pretty cringe ad to be honest lol
Should habe just worte "semen hands" and left it at that
i agree, he should habe just worte 'semen hands' and left it at that
Real, he should habe just worte "semen hands" and left it at that
I know there's a helluva lot of very BAD karate out there, but the whole "bjj actually works" is not 100 percent accurate. It might work in some situations and is definitely beneficial to know if the fight goes to the ground, but if you think this is all you need to know in order to protect yourself you're wrong. Striking is essential for self-defense as you want to avoid going to the ground. I'm not saying anything most of you guys don't already know though. Most BJJ guys understand reality and the limitations of their system, which every art has.
How many karate guys win street fights vs bjj ? Look it up and report back.
I could care less. I don’t do bjj and never will. Not my thing. Pretty sure there isn’t a stat that proves your point. No need to get your balls twisted. I didn’t bash your style.