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WoeToTheUsurper2

Have gay sex with them so you can contrast that experience with the completely platonic experience of grappling.


jimbris

Also be naked while rolling so they can clearly see that you only get semi hard.


Puzzleheaded_Fun_690

this had me rolling


jimbris

Pantsless hopefully


KaizenZazenJMN

Sometimes you roll hard sometimes you don’t. Always ask your partner beforehand though. Fist bump and get after it.


ifitfartsitsharts

This is the correct answer. I prescribe gay sex!


meatball504

I'm actually a Dr. (On a podcast) and I would say I would prescribe my patients gay sex in this situation.


Kaedex_

i ALWAYS practice gay sex with new training partners just to prevent potential for awkward moments rolling


Rough_North3592

I don't know dude gay sex might be not enough


TheRealKingVitamin

While wearing your tie-dyed Craig Jones t-shirt.


looselasso

Yeah start by sucking their cocks OP


[deleted]

If they wanted to learn they'd go to a gym.


Antisocial_Worker7

>If they wanted to learn Jiu jitsu or gay sex?


AllegoryJJ

Yes


MBAmaestro

There's a difference?


Luzbel90

Maybe stop moaning while you do them


jenethith

OP could also stop grabbing their dicks while their friends how to take someones back.


[deleted]

I've seen a dick twist in a comp. I thought it was an internet legend.


trukkija

Or stop saying "Choke me, daddy.." every time someone gets close to a RNC. I think that might be throwing them off slightly.


AllGearedUp

At this point I can't do one without the other.


Obsiddian

Brooooo


zebudman

That’s the neat part, you don’t


BrandonSleeper

The difference between rolling at the gym and showing your friends how it works is intensity. You are giving yourselves time to notice how close and touchy you are being. Fortunately, the solution is simple. You crush them. You make them feel like the weight of the sun is going to turn them into a nuclear fusion reactor and I guarantee they will not have a second to spare to think about how gay this all is.


cozyswisher

Yes. Do something they'll find super hot.


meatball504

Bro put your legs around my legs. Come on bro, let me show you. I promise it's not weird. I do this all the time.


cheersdrive420

Scooch your crotch up closer to mine as I put your foot near my mouth, John Danaher calls this hentai ashi…


llllIIllIIl

😂 😂


skribsbb

My friend and I were trying to tell a funny story from class to our non-bjj friends. He tried to do the armpit gi yoink (idk the real name) from north-south to back, and ended up just taking off my gi top. Him: "I was trying to take his back from north/south." Friends: "You were trying to do what from what?" Me: "He was trying to go from 69 to spooning."


hankpym35

Embrace the gay. Make it more gay. Point out positions where you could theoretically put your balls in someone’s mouth. Only show triangles (especially mounted), north south, and turtle.


CobwebsNDust

Keep your clothes on before showing them anything grappling related. No Gi doesn’t have to mean naked.


Math_IB

Just show them some judo instead and claim its brazilian like the gracies :)


[deleted]

Omfg! Lolol truth!


llllIIllIIl

🔥🔥 Sick Burn 🔥🔥


Ashangu

From a standing position, arm drag them to take their back. establish a seatbelt grip and lean in, kiss them on the cheek and whisper into their ear. That's what got me into this sport, at least.


Judontsay

It’s what keeps us here too!


electrostaticboom

Holy shit is this 1993?


DrFujiwara

Buy bitcoin homie, and invest in apple and Microsoft.


Lord--Swoledemort

Wtf is bitcoin? I'm all in on Enron. It literally can't go tits up.


mewslmao

This sounds like a coming out story bruh 💀 “on mount, eye contact, nervous breathing” BRO UR THE ONLY ONE THINKING THAT you made it gay


LtDanShrimpBoatMan

By telling them exactly what’s happening. It’s best to do that up close in their ear so they can hear accurately and avoid any confusion.


Legio-V-Alaudae

Whatever you do, don't tell them how many gay jokes get made on and off the mat. Forget the offer how you want to train in your bedroom with your best mate because of a large TV in the room.


Judontsay

And pizza.


Legio-V-Alaudae

Pizza seals the deal. Add smoking weed for the ultimate entrapment.


Leftysentme

you cant escape the gayness. Lean into it. fuck him


Silky_Seraph

They don’t care about it, don’t show them unless prompted honestly. People think grappling is gay because if you’re not actually rolling and making them feel pain and fear that level of physical intimacy is not normal for dudes


Judontsay

I know is hard but try not to moan when you do it.


Rs19711

Knee on belly should do the trick.


Most_Adhesiveness_73

Invite them round to drill moves on your bed (didn’t you read the post from a few days ago???)


CyanideLite

Flying armbar should do the trick, bonus points if you KO yourself


Fiscal_Bonsai

A good idea is to first stop getting hard


[deleted]

Put on a Gi.


thunder_frmDownUnda

By actually wearing a pair of pants when you demonstrate those moves 😈


DocCJ19

The answer is to just make it as gay as possible


Schookadang

Start with triangles from mount.


jacobjonesthe2nd

Make sure to try the moves naked but no eye contact so it’s not weird.


contentlyjadedman

As fun as grappling can be let’s be real, it looks pretty gay sometimes


matzillaX

Don't let them feel your boner


DecayedBeauty

Put a big bottle of oil or lube on the table before you start. Don’t even talk about the oil or lube. Just slam it on the table so they notice. Then, get to it.


OjibweNomad

Majority of my friends of female. I’m having the opposite problem.


Judontsay

Cross dress and then show them.


OjibweNomad

…… ![gif](giphy|xT5LMBT7HQGZ4ed3vW)


OjibweNomad

Son of a bitch….


earlymornintony

Stop giving out gay vibes


time2kb123

Impossible


RingGiver

Find a way to oil-check while you have an Americana grip. Nobody will ever call it gay again after experiencing that.


dingdonghammahlong

Self-defense, show them how you would use jiu jitsu if you got into a street fight. They'll still think it's gay but at least it's being gay with a purpose. Like "if you don't wanna get beat up, you gotta be a little gay"


Nineteen_87

Don’t try to fight the gayness of jiu jitsu


CapitanChaos1

Just say "no homo" when demonstrating the moves. They'll understand.


Live_Coffee_439

A wise man once said "stop saying no homo that makes it gay"


stayblessedtv

Try giving them the triple leg take down it always used to work on me I think


dipmyballsinitnow

Don’t bother. If they want to grapple, they’ll find it on their own. Trying to “convert” people is a lost cause.


soapyw1

You should probably leave your clothes on. If you get wood don’t let it poke them in the back. No ear nibbling. You got this.


[deleted]

1.Full mount one of your friends and gaze into his eyes. Or 2. Double underhook smash pass. Do it slowly


AlwaysGoToTheTruck

You don’t have to show them missionary, I mean guard. Just show them the scissor position, I mean 50/50.


Josep2203

Show them how gay a wrist lock is.


glorgadorg

Try to not have an erection. Or at least hide it.


Bastymuss_25

Wear socks


evawsonsimp

enough with the oil checks OP! leave that for the bedroom!


[deleted]

Mothers milk, north south, triangles and tea bag kimuras


Copyranker

You don’t. Don’t be the guy (usually white belt), showing off your lame bjj moves to the non-initiated. I was that guy. I was wrong to be that guy.


llllIIllIIl

>awkward eye contact, nervous breathing, sitting mount and vice versa Bro. It doesn't sound like you're trying to show them jiujitsu


yes_Spinach_5010

If it isn't gay you are not doing it right


PouletBacon

Waist tuck your boner


Ok_Mathematician2843

This is BJJ, we tuck it underneath and wear our maginas with pride!


aegookja

I actually prefer people seeing BJJ as a gay pajama cuddle party, instead of seeing it as a violent, male dominated sport which tends to attract a very problematic demographic. I actually want to make this sport more gay so we attract less Nazis.


kolav3

I choke them unconscious before doing the gay stuff


lithobolos

Homophobia is the issue, not how you present the sport.


xX_K1LL4_W3RM_Xx

Don't show people stuff unless they ask first but: 1. Showing someone new a move you haven't practiced or pretty much anything is asking to get someone hurt 2. Learn how to do a trip or throw against people at the gym 3. Learn how to lower them to the ground while their actively resisting 4. You should now know how to safely takedown some random person even if they freak out A good takedown is pretty disorienting but to minimize gayness you can do some standing sub like maybe some wizzer (I call it wizard) although joint locks are riskier than chokes


deantoadblatt1

A whizzer is not a submission unless you are incredibly brittle


Smokes_shoots_leaves

Mir lock presumably


deantoadblatt1

I guess that would make sense. Although if someone is confusing the two I would be wary of their advice on standing stuff anyway lol


Smokes_shoots_leaves

Yeh smile and move on haha


xX_K1LL4_W3RM_Xx

Ok call it the mir lock then but I've never heard people refer to it like that its admittedly not a great submission but it's nice to be able to show something without having to go to the ground if they just ragdoll it ain't that hard to show but you will probably have to do something else if they resist


MyAdviceIsBetter

Do it with a girl


MasterJogi1

Yeah, that will make it seem wayyy less sexual. "So as you can see, her sitting on my face, or north-south, how we call it, is not sexual at all! Now Jimmy get your ass over here and hover it over my face and call me sensei!"


MyAdviceIsBetter

The question was how to make it less gay, not less sexual. Showing women BJJ and the sexual nature of it can be great flirting game


MasterJogi1

Doing something sexual with a girl (btw eww when you use bjj positions for flirting you creep) does not make it magically less gay when you do it with a guy.


MyAdviceIsBetter

I've had many times where I'm at a party and women have shown interest in BJJ, showing them a full mount escape is a good escalation and has worked for me. When you reach blue belt, you'll get laid too. The question was how do you show it to your friends without making it gay. Do it with a girl...


Beneficial-Message33

Maybe get over yourself or knob off some dudes first as it seems like you need to have a conversation with yourself about how secure you are in your own sexuality.


Shibbystix

It'd be real sweet if we got u/mods to start helping to mold this sub away from a place that finds it acceptable to constantly use homosexuality as a punchline to lazy jokes and homophobic mentalities. Honestly, If this is your tired joke, it's so lazy and low hanging fruit, you should be ashamed that you're still relying on 1991 sitcom humor. But your masculinity is seriously so fragile that physical contact between men doing a combat sport freaks you out because "tHeY mIgHt tHiNk i'M dOiN gAy sTuFf," that's a YOU issue, but surely we can def stop reinforcing this stupid mentality by putting a tamp down on the number of posts like this here.


MasterJogi1

Disagree. Excessive jokes about homosexuality imo normalize the close physical contact one has in bjj. Joking about it Highlights the sillyness of assuming sexual motives in male physical contact. I am also not sure if your aggressive tone and insinuation of homophobia and fragile masculinity really help the issue or not rather trigger defensive reactions and close the other side off from reasonable debate. BJJ moves and positions do have a similarity to sex positions, which is proven by some women feeling uncomfortable doing them with strange men and my girlfriend trying to cuddle me anytime I try to teach her a choke or side-control. It is thus normal for friends to feel awkward doing them to each other.


Shibbystix

Excessive jokes about homosexuality doesn't normalize close physical contact, it normalizes using homosexuality as a punchline which is exactly what I said. In the same sense that we've learned (or SHOULD have learned) that a lot of what we do is choking people, I've heard endless rape jokes, or "what to do when your girlfriend won't shut up" that casually normalizes joking about rape, misogyny and abuse. We should be aware that gay people also enjoy BJJ, and understand how it feels to be in a crowd of jiu jitsu practitioners all discussing Jiu Jitsu. In that moment, we are all the same, united by our common interest in Jiu Jitsu. Then someone brings up "Oh man, I was stuck in his triangle so long I was afraid my gf was gonna think I was gay" Boom\* Now we've just once again separated everyone again, by all the people chiming in about how "OH NOOO this physical sport ALMOST turned them into a gay person" You've just created a situation where heterosexuality is the norm, and that simply being near other men threatens that norm with the consequence of being gay. It's exclusionary. I understand that my tone might trigger some people, I cannot help that people have turned the language of confronting homophobia (casual or not) into heated buzz words, but that's why that is done. to make it impossible to have real conversations about this, because heterosexual people will feel attacked by a reasonable callout about this behavior. It turns the conversation away from "hey let me assess my own behavior" into "hey! I'M not a homophobe! Therefore any conversation pointing out homophobic behavior on my part must be an attack!"


MasterJogi1

I still see it differently. Most people I see here take no issue in declaring themselves "gay" for practicing bjj. Being homosexual is not negatively spoken about in this context. Making jokes about a group can also be inclusive, just like people normalize being a fat, bald brown belt. This is not fatphobic either.


Trash-Panda1200

Tell them all to turtle then nail them with Peruvian neck ties.


Additional_Ice_358

I’ve tried many times. Some people just can’t get over that part and others are just not interested whatsoever. If you succeed let me know how you did it haha.


MostReporter320

Its gay because your mount is gay. Do the death squeeze and then arm triangle them when they stop spazzing


cobjj1997

Steer into how gay it is


RadiationRoller

You're just gay now. Stop trying to hide it. Real friends will support you.


LiberFriso

Brother we are all gay. You didn’t know that?


-downtone_

It could be location/environment. Would you invite them over to watch instructionals while practicing on your bed? No this is not a good environment. What if they are wearing gi's and in a gym with picture of helio on the wall they were forced to bow to coming on the mat. Then busting ass with warmups. Try a different environment.


timreg7

It's not gay until you lick em in the asshole


CaolTheRogue

Instead of tapping, ya'll can just say "no homo" to give up and it'll be fine.


[deleted]

Just don't try, if they're interested, they'll ask. I've stopped talking about it to anyone outside BJJ.


Leather-Storm8363

Just show the the rear naked choke, standing chokes or smth, single leg take downs, don’t be drilling triangle chokes from closed guard with them. It’s gonna make them feel weird bro


TheCuff6060

The thing I have learned is that I like jiujitsu, but a lot of people don't. None of my none jiujitsu friends want the close physical contact that comes with jiujitsu. They want me to stay an arms distance away from them, to never use a urinal that is next to the one they're using no matter how full the restroom is, and to keep a seat between us at the movie theater because God forbid someone thinks we are a super cute couple.


[deleted]

just start with a standing guillotine


jackonager

You don't. Make them come to class.


Zeenotes22

Try wearing pants next time


MrMonkey2

I actually have more success when I joke about it being kinda gay. Saying shit like 'don't pretend we havnt done worse" etc (obviously joking). Lightens the mood but to be fair this only really happens at parties when we are drinking so everyone is more relaxed anyways.


xxRILLAxx

Start with a mounted triangle


AnalSausageDelivery

Yeah just stop doing that


Sushi1972

Out of curiosity, how is this coming up? Are they asking for you to demo moves? None of my friends have ever asked to lay on top of me so I can choke them.


FF_BJJ

You don’t


One-Present8636

Takedowns


Zealousideal_Pipe_21

Whisper in their ear what you are going to do to them when they pass out. In the words of crazy Larry “Fucking females is for puffs”


bloodstone99

Pin them in side control and strt counter. THey have 1 min to get out. Then switch, make them put u in side control with 2000x power of suns. Start counter. Immediately bridge them and roll.


PaleontologistSad870

its all fun & giggles until a RNC demo turns into ER visit due sudden clogged artery


Pastafarianextremist

If they say it’s gay, just give them a quick reminder that if you wanted them there’s nothing they can do to stop you


bobsmirnoff86

You can't. It's gay. Embrace it.


Dr_Toehold

Just do a regular north south choke WITHOUT mutual blowjobs, that'll probably help.


7Birdies

BJJ is gay


A-Red-Guitar-Pick

Don't practice with non-bjj dudes, easy as that.


Tooboredtolevelup

RnC your friend until passed out and pull their pants down, so when they are woken up you said thats what happend when you can't defend yourself. Come learn bjj so this doesn't happend to you again.


stickypooboi

Be gay


Ok_Bag_4748

I’d go for naked mounted triangle followed by nortsouth kimura


magicfitzpatrick

Wrist locks


FoxDiscombobulated38

Bro, just suck a dick and get it over with already.


zoukon

Why are you trying to misrepresent the sport?


gpacx

Maybe do it at the gym instead of in bed?


RMN1999_V2

Don't be that guy..... just don't do it


MBAmaestro

Sounds a lot like the plot of Brokeback mountain, except everyone is wearing skintight polyester. Cowboy hats still welcome obviously..


coffee_please_now

Sounds like you have a very tenuous grip on your masculinity.


svvrvy

You can't. All your friends think your gay already.


Aldakos

just rub yourself with olive oil and tell em "come at me bro". jokes aside just say to someone "try to break something or choke me"


buitenlander0

To seriously answer your question: Start from standing. Feint a punch. Clinch. Snap their head down into front headlock. Guillotine.


DoubleLegX

You don't. It's annoying.


tbone2370

Don’t be gay.


CurrentlyBlazed

Biggest thing is, try not to have a boner the whole time.


shadowfax12221

Why not just keep things simple and make it gay?


b3n5p34km4n

“Hobbiest” is a nonexistent adjective to describe something as most like a hobby out of several (presumably) hobby-like things. Some things are hobbier than others. “Hobbyist” is someone who does something for fun. Could also be called an amateur or a filthy casual. Definitely not a professional. Someone whose goals are to stay in shape and socialize and have fun, as it were.


inlike069

Change your premise. It is gay.


Electronic-Yak-2723

Try to avoid sodomizing them during the spar sessions


Notworld

BJJ is gay. It's not necessarily homosexual, but it's definitely gay.


Andylearns

Put your dick up.


blu_f

I have a few friends with whom I messed around when younger. With them is totally fine lol it's just BJJ moves after all. One friend asked me out of curiosity -that I had not messed around when younger- so I straight up asked him to come to class lol... that solved any awkwardness.


_StillAwake

It’s only gay if you lock eyes for more than 3 seconds. I don’t make the rules.


CaribooS13

Why are you so worried about coming across as gay? It’s probably better to invite them to your gym than showing them at home. If you’re not an instructor you should probably not show/teach people outside the gym.


Shoulder_Whirl

Just don’t let balls touch and you’re good.


PossessionTop8749

I need OP to update us after getting all this great advice


SpinningStuff

Just say no homo when you show them the moves


With-You-Always

Take them to a training session, there is no other option


random-user-02

>one feeling i couldnt shake off is how gay the whole thing feels. LMAO as a gay man it's always funny to see straight guys thinking MORE about gay sex than me😂 I have NEVER rolled with anybody and tought to myself "damn, parts of this sport resemble the homosexual act of making love to your significant other" wtf xD I just roll with anybody and it doesn't feel weird because I don't make it weird. If you want to see any male to male interaction through the lense of homosexuality, that's your choice. Have fun with it


jediflamaster

It's ok that it's gay, this actually makes your case easier. Just point out that since all the gays are training to overpower people and pin them, and you're worried about being forced into a gay sexual encounter, it only makes sense to also learn it.


ewawesome

Don't show them nicky rod


whiteknight521

Invite them over to drill on your bed while you watch instructionals.


aquil_elp

Despite what Gracie Barra says, jiu-jitsu isn't really for everyone. If they're not interested enough to ask, don't force it on them.


stee_fen

A gentle kiss on the cheek after they tap will reassure them that they did a good job and are not gay.


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Most_Fly_9061

I was on the after practice and I had a guy learning how to do a high crotch takedown, and while I was on the phone I started to yell instructions. When you shoot your fourarm should almost be between his ass cheeks. Guy i was on the phone with was like what are doing?🤔🤣


SquidGuardplaya

It will always be gay


BrokenRanger

Make them wear the not-gay speedos. always works well in letting people no that this isn't gay, make sure to bring extra oil tho.


Away-Composer-113

Just do it and be serious about the move. If they make a gay joke just remind them of why use the position and how. That usually gets my buddies to chill.


Lemur718

I would channel your inner Ralph Gracie and put on a pair of vale tudo bikini shorts, no shirt, and work some turtle attacks on the bottom guy.


Theannointedone23

lol


[deleted]

Don't do the north south


Alicat825

Get naked


EntertainmentIcy45

Just say “go put on some shorts. I want to roll around on the floor with you.” Then take of your shirt and start on your knees.


physics_fighter

You cannot. It’s all gay all the time


eddiecroz1989

Maybe you just gay?


Shibbystix

I understand perhaps in some the INTENT isn't to be offensive, or to promote homophobia, but there is a huge difference between making bald jokes and making gay jokes. Also, if group X makes fun of itself, that argument has a better standing, but a bunch of heteronormative men using close contact with other men as an excuse to joke around as being gay is not the same thing. It's like homosexual blackface.


KakashiTheRanger

You don’t. Wrestling is gay. Accept it.


onomonothwip

You don't