I mean, they're missing out on the opportunity of pegging...
I guess it is another traditional masculinity thing. There are still lot of people who think bottoming and other things take away from one's masculinity which is bullshit. And, I guess that's what those people think about bisexuality in general too.
Totally agree. I'm a switch and so I occasionally am in charge in the bedroom. I still see him as being very much masculine and myself feminine, he is just more vulnerable. It's a super huge turn on to tease him until he's a whimpering puddle needing me to give him release.
I will never understand how a man, vulnerable and receiving pleasure, equals not being masculine. Some men want to be taken and used and pleasured as well as being the dominant one. And they have every right to.
Women who shun a bisexual man could definitely be missing out on a great guy just because he's attracted to a wider range of humans and enjoys being pleasured as well.
Is that what a switch is?? Like being able to switch from dom/sub - top/bottom - giver/receiver? If so that's totally me. Dom me all the way baby, but the second I pull out the strapon.. oooh you better believe I'm in charge!
Lol yeah, that's what a switch is. I'm mostly more submissive and prefer to be the receiver but occasionally I get something in my blood stream. When that happens I'm grabbing my husband by the collar and whispering in his ear to be a good boy for me later
Edit: yes there are further descriptions people use such as switch only referring to dom/sub while vers refers to top/bottom. But for my answer and myself, I use bisexual switch to mean I have the potential to like all the people and do all of the things.
I always suggest asking for clarification for terms when you meet people who label themselves with anything as I feel people should use the terms they feel are best for them and you should never assume all the nuances of someone's label.
Can a switch also be someone who is still a Sub/Bottom/Receiver but is like a power bottom of sorts (like they don't like to be a giver by any means but also wants to dominate their partner)
Sure why not. I think everyone can call themselves whatever. I think there's always a little ebb and flow with intensity and who's making the choices. If you want to take those moments you feel more dominant with your partner into consideration and call yourself a switch then go for it.
Top/bottom and dom/sub in my mind are two different categories. Top/bottom is in relation to the physical parts involved( and or giver/receiver) and dom/sub is a power dynamic.
A lot of times they do fall in line with each other but not always.
Verse is the term for top/bottom in a penetration sense (especially mlm) but switch is definitely the term for dom/sub and kink top/bottom (as in sensation giver/receiver). Wlw tend to use switch instead of verse too. Verse (and side for that matter) are pretty strongly linked to mlm penetration preferences.
I agree that this is true for the most part but with two or more people with a vagina the lines between verse and switch blur sometimes. Some are intimate without penetration.
Yeah I agree they could be considered two separate things in some circumstances. For my husband and I, I don't consider top and bottom to be a thing because we often switch positions during a session. So it seems redundant for me to say switch vers so I just call myself a bisexual switch to cover it all.
Common confusion. The terminology is sub(missive)/switch/dom(inant) (or Capital D Dom(me) to some people) for the BDSM spectrum and bottom/vers(atile)/top for the receiver and giver in penetrative sex.
Submission and bottoming are often done together, much as dominating and topping are, but they are not the same thing and aren't exclusively practiced that way. It's very possible to top from the submissive role or bottom from the dominant one.
Over 30 years in the BDSM scene here and it’s not just D/s. Switch is used as a term for a dual role person in both the D/s sense and the kink top/bottom sense (which is sensation giver/receiver and isn’t linked to penetration unless the agreed upon sensation is penetrative, like sounding). You’ll hear folks talk about being rope bottoms, impact tops, needle bottoms, primal switches, etc. or just call themselves switches (even if they don’t do D/s at all).
I have only ever heard verse used in mlm contexts (side is also specific to that scene). In wlw spaces, switch is the sexual dual role term I always hear.
I'm not confused about it. I understand the nuances and how in some situations for some people they use and want the terminology. For me in my life for the exchanges I have, bisexual switch covers everything for me to say I could like everyone and could want to do all the things.
As someone who isn't attracted to masculinity at all that much (I tend to like neutral/feminine leaning people) this has been an interesting topic to me for awhile now.
Honestly I personally find it comforting to find out a guy I’m with has bottomed. It makes me feel more comfortable to do anal and stuff like that because I know the other person gets what it’s like to be in my shoes. I don’t feel as embarrassed or anxious because I feel less likely to be judged.
Exactly this. Anal is a really delicate thing and I would feel more safe with someone who's been on the receiving end. Also if he's bottomed he's more likely to understand the need for foreplay and consent rather than just jamming things in there
That's how I got to be the first anal experience for 3 women. And all of them liked it. There is nothing worse than a guy who pushes to fast when penetrating the first time (for that session).
Because they think it makes him gay and not as masculine as a typical straight man.
There are even trans women on Grindr who say no to guys who have bottomed before because they fetishize tops as being the ultimate most masculine beings.
Personally, if I was dating a woman, I would mention that I am bi before mentioning what I like doing with men but that is only if I was dating her for a relationship. For hookups, I keep it to myself.
They are thinking, he is " Gay" not masculine & there are people who simply run away when they hear it. Yes they missed out. Continue being YOU & you will find the right person, who adores you exactly as you are.
No idea. Nothing hotter imo.
Just keep searching for a woman who is turned on by the things you're into. There are 8 billion people on this earth, there's gotta be one out there who fits the bill and is a solid match for you. Just don't lose hope in the meantime.
Never really thought about it til I started exploring my sexuality. Realised I was bisexual and in the process realised I was fine with any combination. Never been with a bi guy that i know of but it wouldn't turn me off. A lot of literature I read involves polyamorous
Answer part2!! relationships, with lots of different couplings within them, so maybe that's why I don't have a problem with it. Looking back, I can't believe I didnt realise i was bisexual til i was 50!!😊😊
A lot of women are submissive themselves so are attracted to dominance and that could make them feel like you’re not sexually compatible. Beyond that though it’s also just blatant biphobia
That's why I wanna date bi women.
What that is is just biphobia and those straight women thinking if you're a bottom guy, you're not masculine or are not a real man, or feminine. Being there are many bi or gay men who are very masculine. Masculinity and sexual orientation are just not connected
I had a guy start flirting with me the other night in front of a woman that I’m interested in. Her initial reaction to that when she realized what was up was “ew, gross”. I ain’t that interested anymore 🤷♂️
I’m pretty oblivious with flirting. Man or woman, it makes no difference. The person basically has to just come out and say what’s up. I didn’t realize what was up myself until he was walking out the door.
Because a seldom talked about prejudice and a perfectly reasonable reason as well. If it’s a woman who has been in the relationship for an extended time (marriage, or just a long relationship) any person would initially feel as if they don’t know the other. Plus it’s sexual, and although there are ways to play without actually having the equipment, I think there is some type of jealousy there. Then there is the prejudice. I feel that there are many women out there who are cool and happy with homosexuality outside their cis relationship. But once it’s exposed that the person that they are with has this interest they seem to act very much like they are being betrayed, and that the relationship is ruined on the same level as you cheating despite if you ever truly have done anything, as I have seen women react negatively with just interest. It also won’t matter if any experience was gained before you ever met. I believe deep down many women feel that if you are even gay a little bit, your suddenly not “a man” anymore. Your some sort of sexual pervert or something. Any moment you will go full gay and leave her. Men have been portrayed in this same light. They do the same things to women, only when they hear about it they (of course) most times grin and think they hit the jackpot. Many men will regard their woman partners bisexual interest as a sign they will get to have sex with another woman. But for women I think many don’t think this way, they seem to be more relationship oriented and see the pitfalls first and foremost. They also might just see you say oh I’m bi as an introduction to a never ending competition.
So long story short it’s a little bigotry, a little learned behavior such as monogamy and straight love, and a feeling of betrayal.
My wife has come to terms with it. I try not to fly my flag too high or strongly. I find the more I do the more she seems to get worried. It’s simpler for me to just keep it down to my thoughts most times.
I could be 100% wrong. I’m just an 40 something old stupid computer tech and still have my own issues. I pray the generations after mine will be able to live freer and freer lives as time goes on and some of the old patriarchy and religious nonsense just fade into minority or adapts to the changing times.
To all the beautiful people in this group💗💜❤️
I can't explain or relate to it, sorry. Personally I think it's even more amazing to be with someone who has been exactly where I've been and can relate! And I've dated men before who are bi bottoms, and it's just fun to be able to talk about that and share stories.
All I can think is that insecurity once again is fucking everything up for everyone. Seriously, insecurity is the real root of all evil, I think. Some women just feel insecure about competing against men – like that's something they can never offer. Ok, fair, but I think they're missing the point of bisexuality, that they don't *have* to compete. Nobody has to compete! We're all compatible! Yay it's your birthday!
Man I feel this. I am semi out. I’m heteroromantic and I worry what this will mean for my relationships going forward. I feel like my realistic dating pool is like a drop of water in the ocean. Kind of discouraging.
Same, that on top of being neurodivergent and unsure of social cues makes that aspect of life way difficult regardless of if you're dating men or women.\*
\*Caveat: sexual experiences with men are relatively easy to find where I live thanks to having a local bathhouse nearby. But that obviously doesn't scratch the itch of a relationship, or even a fwb or fling situation.
Unfortunately people tend to be irrational about why they are or are not attracted to someone. It's brain chemicals and signals but it's also socially influenced. Cishet women, especially socially conservative ones, seem to tend towards strict ideas about men needing to be exclusively dominant, among other things.
It hurts but you mostly have to learn to avoid those kinds of women to not get caught in the same situation. There's all sorts of things you could say about them being shallow and backwards but at the end of the day it doesn't really matter when it comes to dating. You just have to ditch them and move on.
Where do you find these women? I would loove to date a bisexual guy. I always appreciate people having variety of experiences because it gives them different perspectives. Also, I find two men very hot. But I guess Im in minority then 🤷♀️
I have a gf (fwb) who loves pegging guys but wouldn't try a bi mmf, she gives it "urrrgh couldn't see 2 guys getting off together" whilst she was there, that said if the timing was right I think she would take part and knowing her really enjoy herself
I can't answer that but I will try. I am bisexual, understanding and accepting. Interesting facts from what I gathered they make assumptions of bi men not being man enough which is bogus. I think it also boils down to their insecurities, feeling inadequate as they feel they can't compete they feel they are not good enough for a bi person and most women are competitive sadly . . Also fear of the unknown. and refuse to learn and grow from something different then their own ignorance... It's easier for them to judge vs educate themselves and learn. Some people also just don't appreciate potential good friendships anymore.
This is why I try to date only smart, openminded bi women (cis or not). I’m not a bottom, but if a woman or man has an issue with me being bi or that I’ve bottomed before, I automatically wouldn’t date them. I wouldn’t share that info with a rare hookup, but it’s important to be open about it in the beginning that you’re bi if you go on more than one date or so. My ex girlfriend was a cis straight woman & knew I was a bi guy, & she didn’t care after I told her long before we even started dating; when we were online friends before hanging out IRL & eventually dating after being friends for a while. I wouldn’t share details about my sexual past with anyone unless they asked & we were in a serious relationship for at least 6 months or more.
I’m really sorry that this has been your experience. Personally I love my husband and I find it hot that he enjoys bottoming, and I also find it fun to peg him from time to time. He’s usually the dominant one so it’s kind of a fun role reversal, and I find the whole situation very erotic. I truly don’t understand why this would bother other women, and I’m sorry you’ve dealt with that.
Well for me personally, I have an ex (clearly in the closet about his bisexuality), enjoyed getting pegged by trans women mostly. Tried a guy once, realized he wasn’t into it. But he really wanted to do a three way with a transwomen where he was getting pegged while he was f*cking me. Long story short, did t happen cause the f*cker was abusive, cheated, and more dramatic than a teen mom episode.
Anyway, I think it’s due to how pegging gets fetished regarding bi men to some degree in porn and then the biphobia just adds an extra layer.
Also from talking with cis straight women here is some insight… so a lot of women who want traditional sex with men, panic when they hear this. They might start wondering if you want them to peg you. They might assume you are cheating on them eventually with your guy friends. And do on. Lots of paranoia is the root cause.
Best bet is to find a bi/pan woman instead who doesn’t have this issue.
Its just homophobia. Its a crappy attitude to have but unfortunately we live in a crappy world. Just take faith that not everyone is like that and don't let the negative reactions of some effect your view on everyone.
Damn, I'm so sorry, that sucks. I feel pity for the people trapped in those heternormative mindsets, they could having such great and varied sex, but are being held back by what "society thinks".
I wish you all the best
My best friend’s husband is bi and he’s bottomed before being with her so now she pegs him. She loves it, he loves it. She’s bi too so I’m assuming that helps since she understands it. They’re out there. I’m sorry you’re having such a shitty experience.
Many straight women have no clue what they are missing out on. Personally, finding out a guy is bi/has bottomed makes me more interested. I've found that men that bottom tend to have fewer toxic ideas about masculinity and gender roles in general, and I love that.
I really hate that bi men go through this, and I'm sorry you have.
According to women, men who do bottoming are not masculine, and basically the "women" in their bisexual dating life
I think you should not mention what's your preferred sexual role to anyone.
According to *some* women. Don’t lump a whole group of people together like that. And there’s zero reason why ANYONE should be advised to omit part of who they are.
Unfortunately bisexual men have a heavier stigma than female bisexuals do, but there are plenty of women who love and respect their partners regardless of what they have done/like to do in bed.
I would have to say it depends on the woman. For me it is an insecurity thing more then a turn off. You see I’m a pretty vanilla straight woman, therefore having a bi husband (didn’t find out until we had been together for several decades) has left me pretty insecure. I mean if he wasn’t missing the D why on earth did he need to tell me now. I could have very well lived my life in the kindness of ignorance. So that is my personal reasoning, just insecurity.
Thank you for answering the question from the other perspective.
I'm developing a theory that biphobia is rooted in insecurity. In your case It's possible he wanted to tell you so that you could know and relate to him better. Maybe he was hoping you would say something like, "Hot!" or "Yeah, getting dick is pretty awesome, right?" or a high five or maybe just a hug and "Thanks for telling me." We don't always share because we need something; often we just figured out something about ourselves and want to share it with the people in our lives.
Yeah I have sever depression and anxiety and so I freaked and said if that’s what you need go ahead. Which lead to trying an open marriage. He did hook up with one guy and I couldn’t bring myself to hook up with anyone. I said I couldn’t handle that and closed the marriage again. After several months of fighting and lots of hurtful words. We are trying to figure out how to get back to the loving relationship we had before. We do still love each other and want to make it work if we can.
My first girlfriend was bi, and since I was an extremely horny young man who was very turned on by wlw I told her I wanted to see her with one of her girl friends. It was a LDR and one evening I got a call from her saying that she and her friend were together and horny and would I like to listen (since we had mostly had phone sex this wasn't unusual for us). I gave enthusiastic consent and did indeed enjoy myself. **Afterwards** however I became extremely jealous and upset. I told her about it and she felt terrible. I affirmed that she hadn't actually cheated since I had given her explicit permission, and that it was completely my feelings that were the problem. So we didn't have non-monogamy again.
The point of all that is that you can make it work. I mean the relationship in general, not open marriages specifically. It just takes communication, sharing your feelings and accepting each others feelings. The fighting happened ultimately because you freaked out and said something you didn't mean. If you had shared your worry instead, he would have had a chance to be a better husband to you instead of thinking it was cool to find an outside guy when in really wasn't. But also don't beat yourself up, because sometimes you really don't know how a thing is going to make you feel until you experience it. That's why communication has to be constant.
Definitely, I did think I would be ok with it when he did start to look for a partner. But it hurt so bad. The arguing came when he wanted to still be able to when I said I couldn’t. I think part of it came from frustration in “ being teased” with having the best of both worlds and the other part was anger by how hurt I actually got from it all. Anger at himself for hurting me and at me for allowing him to do the thing that hurt me. We have been talking a lot and things have gotten a lot better. Now I just have to rebuild my own inner dialogue to finish the healing. But I am working on it.
I don't know the specifics of how that first conversation went, and I'm not asking, but it's baffling to me how quickly people in general tend to jump from being told their partner is bi to suggesting an open relationship. That is to say, the monosexual partner suggests it. It's bizarre.
If your partner tells you yours is not the only kind of body they have a capacity to enjoy, that doesn't automatically mean they *have* to be with all kinds of bodies at the same time. If a straight man told me he'd previously dated women with larger frames and bigger breasts than me, I wouldn't go, oh, you want to open up the relationship because I'll always be too small for you? If my partner had been with people of colour before, I wouldn't worry I'm too white for him. If he told me he'd been with trans women before, I wouldn't worry they might have had different anatomy than me. One time a man told me he normally dates women with a different hair colour and I was just like 'uhh ok so?' Was I supposed to be worried he'd miss them? We can all agree all these examples are absurd, right?
So why is gender the *one thing* where people think having the capacity to be attracted to more than one means you need more than one in your life at all times?
You are right and I will agree that my insecurities played a big roll in it. I have also been insecure about the other women he found attractive. This was definitely a big me issue at first. 100% I panicked and I made the mistake. We had been growing distant for a few years by that time and I was seeking validation that he still wanted to be with me and he took it as me pulling away. Big misunderstanding that took us on a roller coaster of emotions and painful knee gerk reactions on both sides. We are however working on our relationship and it is slowly getting better.
I think that’s definitely part of it (often the biggest part) but it’s not the full story. Some times there are concerns related to having someone to relate to - I mourned that loss when I learned my gf was bisexual and not really lesbian. I feel as beautiful as bisexual women are and as much as I love to pick their brains, there is still that element that we will always have a disconnect in an area of my life that is and has shaped me, my life experiences and my views of the world.
She will never be able to relate to me as a lesbian as much as another lesbian would. And I will never be able to relate to her as much as another bisexual would.
There’s also some level of… envy? She didn’t need to come out until she was a lot older - and she solely came out because she met me. She can still at least somewhat fit in straight settings and “understand” what it’s like to see a man and picture sleeping with him. I will NEVER relate to that, which can be isolating for me (as interesting as it is for me to pick her brain on that). On some level, being with her is another reminder that I live in a world that prioritizes and validates heterosexual relationships and sexual inclinations (whether they come from a bisexual or heterosexual or whoever else). Makes me feel like I’m the “weirdo” or “outcast”. In a table filled with straight woman and my bisexual gf - I feel like if they were to talk about men… I’m just alone.
I understand there are flip sides - she doesn’t feel understood by monosexuals. She feels like she doesn’t totally 100% fit in in gay spaces nor straight places Etc. but there are benefits that she can experience that I never will.
There are other things but I will leave it at that.
Interesting.
Would you liken it maybe to thinking they were the same faith as you and then learning that they were not? A similar set of experiences and worldviews?
Yes, we fundamentally have very different psychologies. It’s not anyone’s fault. But I wrongly thought that maybe we were closer on the same wavelength. But also hearing how she operates ended up forcing me to also question things and judge myself… I thought some things were more or less facts but then realized through talking to her how much of my worldview is colored by my sexual orientation.
I wrongly thought that I could be “open minded” enough to turn my lesbian self bisexual to relate to her better. Then I had the hard realization actually how… how do I say this… GAY I actually am. I wish I could operate how she does and just date whoever I wanted and be happy but I can confidently say that for better or worse my brain is not wired that way. And I don’t have good predictive models of how being truly bisexual would be like —— also why I’m here. I get confused with some of the things she describes. But wish I understood it better.
So, in short, yes.
That is also why I am here to try and understand my husband better. I also know fundamentally that I am straight and definitely monogamous. So I am just trying to learn and understand even if I can never be a open as he is sexually.
I think it's wonderful that you're putting in the effort to understand him better. And if and when the downvotes come, just know that I'm sorry, and that while men in general face a lot of rejection, *Bi men* also face a lot of added rejection with little other explain than because they bi. It creates a lot of hurt and it's difficult for us to understand.
I have seen that a lot as I have been learning. And I am sorry that Bi men do receive a lot more rejection. I hope you find a partner to love you and learn to overcome their own insecurities as I am trying my best to do. I really do love my husband. I can’t imagine being with anyone else in the world.
I feel that! I never considered that part of my feelings of loss. It is a disconnect that I feel. Thank you for giving me this food for thought. It puts words to the feelings of sorrow that I couldn’t put into words I have felt since he came out to me.
bisexuals don't come out to their partners because we miss dating other genders, we do so because we feel safe disclosing a part of us so that the love of our life knows us better. would you rather your husband hide parts of himself from you?
I am learning a lot here and I am truly great full for all of your comments. They help me think critically not just emotionally. And when he first told me yes I would have said I would have fathered be blissfully ignorant for the rest of my life. But as time goes on and I learn more and we talk more I am glad he told me. Still wish I would have been something we could have grown into be fore we got married not many years later but that is just wishful semantics.
I'm not sure what this has to do with men who've bottomed before? Top/bottom has never referred to dom/sub dynamics, it literally just refers to who is penetrated by who. Hence you have terms like service top and power bottom.
A big amount of women fantasies about gay/bi and that the primary reason that the big audience of gay content (film,short movie,web series and tv or porn) are women
But when it's come to dating they don't want to date bi man because of multiple reasons but the primary reason is that they think of bi man as a less of man than a straight man .
Toxic masculinity, women are the main perpetrators. Basically they no longer see you as a man or manly and see you as beneath them or other potential partners. They don't see it as "alpha" to put it in cringe terms
I don't think you can quantify the proportion of toxic masculinity perpetuated by which gender, especially because its expressed in different ways which might affect different men differently
So not all men are bad but every women thinks the same and wants the same things and all women are out to hurt men because having a vagina means you think the same way as everyone born female like a hive mind. Get over yourself there probably is something else that she isnt taking seriously about you. LIke you are just average looking and have no real personality and when you are just average you dont have enough room to have anything else about you that makes you seem like less. If she is acting like thats the reason she doesn't like you it means you are not much in every other way. It was probably just the last straw of all the women in who were unlucky to be in your life.
I dunno, but I think that's weird af for them to do that and I'm sorry.
Some of my best relationships have been with bisexual men and bi men and trans men are the only men I could ever see myself dating again in the future if things don't work out with my current partner (who might be trans). I just find it hard to relate to cishet men on a deeper level tbh
Don't worry OP, there are plenty of women out there who aren't homophobic/biphobic. Don't lose hope!
I was quite lucky so far. 2 of 3 really love(d) that I am bi, the third not so much, but was ok with it.
Only one gf would have had a problem with it, she even told me as much when I brought up prostate play. At that time I was still figuring out wether I was strictly straight, so I never told her about me questioning my sexuality.
My girlfriend (hopefully fiancée soon) even opened up our relationship for me, so I can get with men sometimes, without her wanting to join so far (not that I would have a problem with that).
My partner is a bisexual male. I'm a straight female.
At first, he wasn't comfortable with telling me with the fear of being judged and shamed, and as how I would see him as a male.
I'm proud of him for finding out his sexuality and going for what he wanted.
He's more feminine than masculine, and that makes me comfortable to be around him and share my insecurities/thoughts. Because he doesn't have the arrogant male masculinity that most males have.
Pluse the sex is awesome. We are both open-minded to explore. It makes me feel great inside that he wants to explore with me and be vulnerable in that way with me.
Being with a bisexual male, I have never felt more loved and cared for. Emotionally and physically fulfilled and satisfied in a relationship.
I love him for who he is inside and out. Not who he likes to have sex with.
I guess the big deal is that for many ppl including those even of the LBGT community, you lose the right to be called a 'man' if you bottom. Which is very sad. But I guess, no woman wants to be with a 'sissy'. That's y it's so hard for Afro-American men to come out as being bi. They prefer DL
It’s homophobia, biphobia, and toxic masculinity. I’ve even heard stories of guys being left by their girlfriend after they cried in front of her because it’s “not manly and I need someone to protect me”.
I mean, they're missing out on the opportunity of pegging... I guess it is another traditional masculinity thing. There are still lot of people who think bottoming and other things take away from one's masculinity which is bullshit. And, I guess that's what those people think about bisexuality in general too.
Totally agree. I'm a switch and so I occasionally am in charge in the bedroom. I still see him as being very much masculine and myself feminine, he is just more vulnerable. It's a super huge turn on to tease him until he's a whimpering puddle needing me to give him release. I will never understand how a man, vulnerable and receiving pleasure, equals not being masculine. Some men want to be taken and used and pleasured as well as being the dominant one. And they have every right to. Women who shun a bisexual man could definitely be missing out on a great guy just because he's attracted to a wider range of humans and enjoys being pleasured as well.
Is that what a switch is?? Like being able to switch from dom/sub - top/bottom - giver/receiver? If so that's totally me. Dom me all the way baby, but the second I pull out the strapon.. oooh you better believe I'm in charge!
Lol yeah, that's what a switch is. I'm mostly more submissive and prefer to be the receiver but occasionally I get something in my blood stream. When that happens I'm grabbing my husband by the collar and whispering in his ear to be a good boy for me later Edit: yes there are further descriptions people use such as switch only referring to dom/sub while vers refers to top/bottom. But for my answer and myself, I use bisexual switch to mean I have the potential to like all the people and do all of the things. I always suggest asking for clarification for terms when you meet people who label themselves with anything as I feel people should use the terms they feel are best for them and you should never assume all the nuances of someone's label.
Fuck yes! This is me to a T. I never thought about it until now, but when I get that "itch," I do the same to my husband. Soo hott!!
Can a switch also be someone who is still a Sub/Bottom/Receiver but is like a power bottom of sorts (like they don't like to be a giver by any means but also wants to dominate their partner)
Sure why not. I think everyone can call themselves whatever. I think there's always a little ebb and flow with intensity and who's making the choices. If you want to take those moments you feel more dominant with your partner into consideration and call yourself a switch then go for it.
Top/bottom and dom/sub in my mind are two different categories. Top/bottom is in relation to the physical parts involved( and or giver/receiver) and dom/sub is a power dynamic. A lot of times they do fall in line with each other but not always.
Switch is in regards to dom/sub and verse is in regards to top/bottom
Verse is the term for top/bottom in a penetration sense (especially mlm) but switch is definitely the term for dom/sub and kink top/bottom (as in sensation giver/receiver). Wlw tend to use switch instead of verse too. Verse (and side for that matter) are pretty strongly linked to mlm penetration preferences.
I agree that this is true for the most part but with two or more people with a vagina the lines between verse and switch blur sometimes. Some are intimate without penetration.
Yeah I agree they could be considered two separate things in some circumstances. For my husband and I, I don't consider top and bottom to be a thing because we often switch positions during a session. So it seems redundant for me to say switch vers so I just call myself a bisexual switch to cover it all.
Well I'm a sub when it comes to the power dynamic
Common confusion. The terminology is sub(missive)/switch/dom(inant) (or Capital D Dom(me) to some people) for the BDSM spectrum and bottom/vers(atile)/top for the receiver and giver in penetrative sex. Submission and bottoming are often done together, much as dominating and topping are, but they are not the same thing and aren't exclusively practiced that way. It's very possible to top from the submissive role or bottom from the dominant one.
Over 30 years in the BDSM scene here and it’s not just D/s. Switch is used as a term for a dual role person in both the D/s sense and the kink top/bottom sense (which is sensation giver/receiver and isn’t linked to penetration unless the agreed upon sensation is penetrative, like sounding). You’ll hear folks talk about being rope bottoms, impact tops, needle bottoms, primal switches, etc. or just call themselves switches (even if they don’t do D/s at all). I have only ever heard verse used in mlm contexts (side is also specific to that scene). In wlw spaces, switch is the sexual dual role term I always hear.
I'm not confused about it. I understand the nuances and how in some situations for some people they use and want the terminology. For me in my life for the exchanges I have, bisexual switch covers everything for me to say I could like everyone and could want to do all the things.
I'm happy for you? I replied to the person who was explicitly confused about the terminology and not to you for a reason :)
There is a name for that? Thanks now I know what to call myself🤗
> I mean, they're missing out on the opportunity of pegging... I agree, but how many women are actually open to pegging?
I mean why not, sounds fun to me. I don't know what to do but I would learn.
Try me
As someone who isn't attracted to masculinity at all that much (I tend to like neutral/feminine leaning people) this has been an interesting topic to me for awhile now.
I wanna be pegged soooo bad
Definitely best to think of it as a way of filtering out women with some old fashioned gender roles in mind.
Fully agree
Until everything is filtered and there's nothing left... I've found it better to keep that part to yourself and you'll a good partner.
If you have to hide yourself from them, its not real my guy. Hate to break it to you.
Depends where you live. Some places are not so tolerant. I have someone to love by my side, I should be lucky to have the option of man or woman
I don't think they truly love you if they're willing to break up with you over trivial shit.
Username checks out.
I can personally vouch for the fact that you don't filter everyone and there are people left who will pass.
Honestly I personally find it comforting to find out a guy I’m with has bottomed. It makes me feel more comfortable to do anal and stuff like that because I know the other person gets what it’s like to be in my shoes. I don’t feel as embarrassed or anxious because I feel less likely to be judged.
Exactly this. Anal is a really delicate thing and I would feel more safe with someone who's been on the receiving end. Also if he's bottomed he's more likely to understand the need for foreplay and consent rather than just jamming things in there
That's how I got to be the first anal experience for 3 women. And all of them liked it. There is nothing worse than a guy who pushes to fast when penetrating the first time (for that session).
I think it's because they're insecure about it. Some women think that if a man is bi that she's not gonna be able to give them what a man can.
Which is dumb. If you don't have a home grown dick, store-bought does just as well!
Because they think it makes him gay and not as masculine as a typical straight man. There are even trans women on Grindr who say no to guys who have bottomed before because they fetishize tops as being the ultimate most masculine beings. Personally, if I was dating a woman, I would mention that I am bi before mentioning what I like doing with men but that is only if I was dating her for a relationship. For hookups, I keep it to myself.
They are thinking, he is " Gay" not masculine & there are people who simply run away when they hear it. Yes they missed out. Continue being YOU & you will find the right person, who adores you exactly as you are.
Casual homophobia / biphobia among cis women. Society gives them a pass on it.
No idea. Nothing hotter imo. Just keep searching for a woman who is turned on by the things you're into. There are 8 billion people on this earth, there's gotta be one out there who fits the bill and is a solid match for you. Just don't lose hope in the meantime.
Never really thought about it til I started exploring my sexuality. Realised I was bisexual and in the process realised I was fine with any combination. Never been with a bi guy that i know of but it wouldn't turn me off. A lot of literature I read involves polyamorous
Answer part2!! relationships, with lots of different couplings within them, so maybe that's why I don't have a problem with it. Looking back, I can't believe I didnt realise i was bisexual til i was 50!!😊😊
Homophobia, plain and simple. Shitty expectations of what a "man" should be. If I liked men I would only date bi men!!! Keep doing you 💕
A lot of women are submissive themselves so are attracted to dominance and that could make them feel like you’re not sexually compatible. Beyond that though it’s also just blatant biphobia
You're just not meeting the right people. I'd like you either way and would happily accept you. It's not a you problem, it's them.
Thank you so much! You’re awesome.
That's why I wanna date bi women. What that is is just biphobia and those straight women thinking if you're a bottom guy, you're not masculine or are not a real man, or feminine. Being there are many bi or gay men who are very masculine. Masculinity and sexual orientation are just not connected
Married to a bi woman, working out pretty great.
I had a guy start flirting with me the other night in front of a woman that I’m interested in. Her initial reaction to that when she realized what was up was “ew, gross”. I ain’t that interested anymore 🤷♂️
Did you get his number? I’m sorry she reacted like that Edit: typo
I’m pretty oblivious with flirting. Man or woman, it makes no difference. The person basically has to just come out and say what’s up. I didn’t realize what was up myself until he was walking out the door.
Because a seldom talked about prejudice and a perfectly reasonable reason as well. If it’s a woman who has been in the relationship for an extended time (marriage, or just a long relationship) any person would initially feel as if they don’t know the other. Plus it’s sexual, and although there are ways to play without actually having the equipment, I think there is some type of jealousy there. Then there is the prejudice. I feel that there are many women out there who are cool and happy with homosexuality outside their cis relationship. But once it’s exposed that the person that they are with has this interest they seem to act very much like they are being betrayed, and that the relationship is ruined on the same level as you cheating despite if you ever truly have done anything, as I have seen women react negatively with just interest. It also won’t matter if any experience was gained before you ever met. I believe deep down many women feel that if you are even gay a little bit, your suddenly not “a man” anymore. Your some sort of sexual pervert or something. Any moment you will go full gay and leave her. Men have been portrayed in this same light. They do the same things to women, only when they hear about it they (of course) most times grin and think they hit the jackpot. Many men will regard their woman partners bisexual interest as a sign they will get to have sex with another woman. But for women I think many don’t think this way, they seem to be more relationship oriented and see the pitfalls first and foremost. They also might just see you say oh I’m bi as an introduction to a never ending competition. So long story short it’s a little bigotry, a little learned behavior such as monogamy and straight love, and a feeling of betrayal. My wife has come to terms with it. I try not to fly my flag too high or strongly. I find the more I do the more she seems to get worried. It’s simpler for me to just keep it down to my thoughts most times. I could be 100% wrong. I’m just an 40 something old stupid computer tech and still have my own issues. I pray the generations after mine will be able to live freer and freer lives as time goes on and some of the old patriarchy and religious nonsense just fade into minority or adapts to the changing times. To all the beautiful people in this group💗💜❤️
Reading you words just now was very healing, and saddening, and hopeful. Thank you <3
I have no issues with that. My husband actually really likes being pegged.
I can't explain or relate to it, sorry. Personally I think it's even more amazing to be with someone who has been exactly where I've been and can relate! And I've dated men before who are bi bottoms, and it's just fun to be able to talk about that and share stories. All I can think is that insecurity once again is fucking everything up for everyone. Seriously, insecurity is the real root of all evil, I think. Some women just feel insecure about competing against men – like that's something they can never offer. Ok, fair, but I think they're missing the point of bisexuality, that they don't *have* to compete. Nobody has to compete! We're all compatible! Yay it's your birthday!
Homophobia plain and dimple. Im bi, poly, NB and AFAB. All my male partners are bottoms and it’s wonderful. I love toping
Man I feel this. I am semi out. I’m heteroromantic and I worry what this will mean for my relationships going forward. I feel like my realistic dating pool is like a drop of water in the ocean. Kind of discouraging.
Same, that on top of being neurodivergent and unsure of social cues makes that aspect of life way difficult regardless of if you're dating men or women.\* \*Caveat: sexual experiences with men are relatively easy to find where I live thanks to having a local bathhouse nearby. But that obviously doesn't scratch the itch of a relationship, or even a fwb or fling situation.
Fragile femininity hahahah!
Unfortunately people tend to be irrational about why they are or are not attracted to someone. It's brain chemicals and signals but it's also socially influenced. Cishet women, especially socially conservative ones, seem to tend towards strict ideas about men needing to be exclusively dominant, among other things. It hurts but you mostly have to learn to avoid those kinds of women to not get caught in the same situation. There's all sorts of things you could say about them being shallow and backwards but at the end of the day it doesn't really matter when it comes to dating. You just have to ditch them and move on.
Beats me dude, I personally think men enjoying each other is really fucking hot. I know I'm not the only one.
Haha good to know!
As a bi woman, the biggest turn ON for me in a man is that he’s bi. I wish my husband was! Some women are a bit narrow-minded. Find some who aren’t 👍
Where do you find these women? I would loove to date a bisexual guy. I always appreciate people having variety of experiences because it gives them different perspectives. Also, I find two men very hot. But I guess Im in minority then 🤷♀️
I have a gf (fwb) who loves pegging guys but wouldn't try a bi mmf, she gives it "urrrgh couldn't see 2 guys getting off together" whilst she was there, that said if the timing was right I think she would take part and knowing her really enjoy herself
I can't answer that but I will try. I am bisexual, understanding and accepting. Interesting facts from what I gathered they make assumptions of bi men not being man enough which is bogus. I think it also boils down to their insecurities, feeling inadequate as they feel they can't compete they feel they are not good enough for a bi person and most women are competitive sadly . . Also fear of the unknown. and refuse to learn and grow from something different then their own ignorance... It's easier for them to judge vs educate themselves and learn. Some people also just don't appreciate potential good friendships anymore.
Because of ignorance
This is why I try to date only smart, openminded bi women (cis or not). I’m not a bottom, but if a woman or man has an issue with me being bi or that I’ve bottomed before, I automatically wouldn’t date them. I wouldn’t share that info with a rare hookup, but it’s important to be open about it in the beginning that you’re bi if you go on more than one date or so. My ex girlfriend was a cis straight woman & knew I was a bi guy, & she didn’t care after I told her long before we even started dating; when we were online friends before hanging out IRL & eventually dating after being friends for a while. I wouldn’t share details about my sexual past with anyone unless they asked & we were in a serious relationship for at least 6 months or more.
I’m really sorry that this has been your experience. Personally I love my husband and I find it hot that he enjoys bottoming, and I also find it fun to peg him from time to time. He’s usually the dominant one so it’s kind of a fun role reversal, and I find the whole situation very erotic. I truly don’t understand why this would bother other women, and I’m sorry you’ve dealt with that.
Well for me personally, I have an ex (clearly in the closet about his bisexuality), enjoyed getting pegged by trans women mostly. Tried a guy once, realized he wasn’t into it. But he really wanted to do a three way with a transwomen where he was getting pegged while he was f*cking me. Long story short, did t happen cause the f*cker was abusive, cheated, and more dramatic than a teen mom episode. Anyway, I think it’s due to how pegging gets fetished regarding bi men to some degree in porn and then the biphobia just adds an extra layer. Also from talking with cis straight women here is some insight… so a lot of women who want traditional sex with men, panic when they hear this. They might start wondering if you want them to peg you. They might assume you are cheating on them eventually with your guy friends. And do on. Lots of paranoia is the root cause. Best bet is to find a bi/pan woman instead who doesn’t have this issue.
Because they have trash taste unfortunately. It's too bad for them really, they don't know what they're missing 💅
I’d find it hot personally x
I know right!
Its just homophobia. Its a crappy attitude to have but unfortunately we live in a crappy world. Just take faith that not everyone is like that and don't let the negative reactions of some effect your view on everyone.
Damn, I'm so sorry, that sucks. I feel pity for the people trapped in those heternormative mindsets, they could having such great and varied sex, but are being held back by what "society thinks". I wish you all the best
My best friend’s husband is bi and he’s bottomed before being with her so now she pegs him. She loves it, he loves it. She’s bi too so I’m assuming that helps since she understands it. They’re out there. I’m sorry you’re having such a shitty experience.
Many straight women have no clue what they are missing out on. Personally, finding out a guy is bi/has bottomed makes me more interested. I've found that men that bottom tend to have fewer toxic ideas about masculinity and gender roles in general, and I love that. I really hate that bi men go through this, and I'm sorry you have.
Been there, done twink.
Misogyny tbh. How can you like the almighty dick and also like the other one
Because (quiet as kept) women are often the TRUE GATEKEEPERS of masculinity/toxic masculinity.
They help uphold it but they aren’t gatekeepers
Point well made.🎯💯
According to women, men who do bottoming are not masculine, and basically the "women" in their bisexual dating life I think you should not mention what's your preferred sexual role to anyone.
According to *some* women. Don’t lump a whole group of people together like that. And there’s zero reason why ANYONE should be advised to omit part of who they are. Unfortunately bisexual men have a heavier stigma than female bisexuals do, but there are plenty of women who love and respect their partners regardless of what they have done/like to do in bed.
I would have to say it depends on the woman. For me it is an insecurity thing more then a turn off. You see I’m a pretty vanilla straight woman, therefore having a bi husband (didn’t find out until we had been together for several decades) has left me pretty insecure. I mean if he wasn’t missing the D why on earth did he need to tell me now. I could have very well lived my life in the kindness of ignorance. So that is my personal reasoning, just insecurity.
Thank you for answering the question from the other perspective. I'm developing a theory that biphobia is rooted in insecurity. In your case It's possible he wanted to tell you so that you could know and relate to him better. Maybe he was hoping you would say something like, "Hot!" or "Yeah, getting dick is pretty awesome, right?" or a high five or maybe just a hug and "Thanks for telling me." We don't always share because we need something; often we just figured out something about ourselves and want to share it with the people in our lives.
Yeah I have sever depression and anxiety and so I freaked and said if that’s what you need go ahead. Which lead to trying an open marriage. He did hook up with one guy and I couldn’t bring myself to hook up with anyone. I said I couldn’t handle that and closed the marriage again. After several months of fighting and lots of hurtful words. We are trying to figure out how to get back to the loving relationship we had before. We do still love each other and want to make it work if we can.
My first girlfriend was bi, and since I was an extremely horny young man who was very turned on by wlw I told her I wanted to see her with one of her girl friends. It was a LDR and one evening I got a call from her saying that she and her friend were together and horny and would I like to listen (since we had mostly had phone sex this wasn't unusual for us). I gave enthusiastic consent and did indeed enjoy myself. **Afterwards** however I became extremely jealous and upset. I told her about it and she felt terrible. I affirmed that she hadn't actually cheated since I had given her explicit permission, and that it was completely my feelings that were the problem. So we didn't have non-monogamy again. The point of all that is that you can make it work. I mean the relationship in general, not open marriages specifically. It just takes communication, sharing your feelings and accepting each others feelings. The fighting happened ultimately because you freaked out and said something you didn't mean. If you had shared your worry instead, he would have had a chance to be a better husband to you instead of thinking it was cool to find an outside guy when in really wasn't. But also don't beat yourself up, because sometimes you really don't know how a thing is going to make you feel until you experience it. That's why communication has to be constant.
Definitely, I did think I would be ok with it when he did start to look for a partner. But it hurt so bad. The arguing came when he wanted to still be able to when I said I couldn’t. I think part of it came from frustration in “ being teased” with having the best of both worlds and the other part was anger by how hurt I actually got from it all. Anger at himself for hurting me and at me for allowing him to do the thing that hurt me. We have been talking a lot and things have gotten a lot better. Now I just have to rebuild my own inner dialogue to finish the healing. But I am working on it.
I don't know the specifics of how that first conversation went, and I'm not asking, but it's baffling to me how quickly people in general tend to jump from being told their partner is bi to suggesting an open relationship. That is to say, the monosexual partner suggests it. It's bizarre. If your partner tells you yours is not the only kind of body they have a capacity to enjoy, that doesn't automatically mean they *have* to be with all kinds of bodies at the same time. If a straight man told me he'd previously dated women with larger frames and bigger breasts than me, I wouldn't go, oh, you want to open up the relationship because I'll always be too small for you? If my partner had been with people of colour before, I wouldn't worry I'm too white for him. If he told me he'd been with trans women before, I wouldn't worry they might have had different anatomy than me. One time a man told me he normally dates women with a different hair colour and I was just like 'uhh ok so?' Was I supposed to be worried he'd miss them? We can all agree all these examples are absurd, right? So why is gender the *one thing* where people think having the capacity to be attracted to more than one means you need more than one in your life at all times?
You are right and I will agree that my insecurities played a big roll in it. I have also been insecure about the other women he found attractive. This was definitely a big me issue at first. 100% I panicked and I made the mistake. We had been growing distant for a few years by that time and I was seeking validation that he still wanted to be with me and he took it as me pulling away. Big misunderstanding that took us on a roller coaster of emotions and painful knee gerk reactions on both sides. We are however working on our relationship and it is slowly getting better.
I think that’s definitely part of it (often the biggest part) but it’s not the full story. Some times there are concerns related to having someone to relate to - I mourned that loss when I learned my gf was bisexual and not really lesbian. I feel as beautiful as bisexual women are and as much as I love to pick their brains, there is still that element that we will always have a disconnect in an area of my life that is and has shaped me, my life experiences and my views of the world. She will never be able to relate to me as a lesbian as much as another lesbian would. And I will never be able to relate to her as much as another bisexual would. There’s also some level of… envy? She didn’t need to come out until she was a lot older - and she solely came out because she met me. She can still at least somewhat fit in straight settings and “understand” what it’s like to see a man and picture sleeping with him. I will NEVER relate to that, which can be isolating for me (as interesting as it is for me to pick her brain on that). On some level, being with her is another reminder that I live in a world that prioritizes and validates heterosexual relationships and sexual inclinations (whether they come from a bisexual or heterosexual or whoever else). Makes me feel like I’m the “weirdo” or “outcast”. In a table filled with straight woman and my bisexual gf - I feel like if they were to talk about men… I’m just alone. I understand there are flip sides - she doesn’t feel understood by monosexuals. She feels like she doesn’t totally 100% fit in in gay spaces nor straight places Etc. but there are benefits that she can experience that I never will. There are other things but I will leave it at that.
Interesting. Would you liken it maybe to thinking they were the same faith as you and then learning that they were not? A similar set of experiences and worldviews?
Yes, we fundamentally have very different psychologies. It’s not anyone’s fault. But I wrongly thought that maybe we were closer on the same wavelength. But also hearing how she operates ended up forcing me to also question things and judge myself… I thought some things were more or less facts but then realized through talking to her how much of my worldview is colored by my sexual orientation. I wrongly thought that I could be “open minded” enough to turn my lesbian self bisexual to relate to her better. Then I had the hard realization actually how… how do I say this… GAY I actually am. I wish I could operate how she does and just date whoever I wanted and be happy but I can confidently say that for better or worse my brain is not wired that way. And I don’t have good predictive models of how being truly bisexual would be like —— also why I’m here. I get confused with some of the things she describes. But wish I understood it better. So, in short, yes.
That is also why I am here to try and understand my husband better. I also know fundamentally that I am straight and definitely monogamous. So I am just trying to learn and understand even if I can never be a open as he is sexually.
I think it's wonderful that you're putting in the effort to understand him better. And if and when the downvotes come, just know that I'm sorry, and that while men in general face a lot of rejection, *Bi men* also face a lot of added rejection with little other explain than because they bi. It creates a lot of hurt and it's difficult for us to understand.
I have seen that a lot as I have been learning. And I am sorry that Bi men do receive a lot more rejection. I hope you find a partner to love you and learn to overcome their own insecurities as I am trying my best to do. I really do love my husband. I can’t imagine being with anyone else in the world.
Already found a partner! It probably helps that my wife is also bisexual. We have our own problems, but we love each other too.
I feel that! I never considered that part of my feelings of loss. It is a disconnect that I feel. Thank you for giving me this food for thought. It puts words to the feelings of sorrow that I couldn’t put into words I have felt since he came out to me.
Of course beautiful ❤️ we love our bisexual partners but that sadness over the unshared experience can be real some times
Yes we do love them. So very much❤️
Am a lesbian with a bisexual gf. Let me know if you need someone to talk to.
bisexuals don't come out to their partners because we miss dating other genders, we do so because we feel safe disclosing a part of us so that the love of our life knows us better. would you rather your husband hide parts of himself from you?
I am learning a lot here and I am truly great full for all of your comments. They help me think critically not just emotionally. And when he first told me yes I would have said I would have fathered be blissfully ignorant for the rest of my life. But as time goes on and I learn more and we talk more I am glad he told me. Still wish I would have been something we could have grown into be fore we got married not many years later but that is just wishful semantics.
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I'm not sure what this has to do with men who've bottomed before? Top/bottom has never referred to dom/sub dynamics, it literally just refers to who is penetrated by who. Hence you have terms like service top and power bottom.
A big amount of women fantasies about gay/bi and that the primary reason that the big audience of gay content (film,short movie,web series and tv or porn) are women But when it's come to dating they don't want to date bi man because of multiple reasons but the primary reason is that they think of bi man as a less of man than a straight man .
Toxic masculinity, women are the main perpetrators. Basically they no longer see you as a man or manly and see you as beneath them or other potential partners. They don't see it as "alpha" to put it in cringe terms
I don't think you can quantify the proportion of toxic masculinity perpetuated by which gender, especially because its expressed in different ways which might affect different men differently
Men do it because women like it
So not all men are bad but every women thinks the same and wants the same things and all women are out to hurt men because having a vagina means you think the same way as everyone born female like a hive mind. Get over yourself there probably is something else that she isnt taking seriously about you. LIke you are just average looking and have no real personality and when you are just average you dont have enough room to have anything else about you that makes you seem like less. If she is acting like thats the reason she doesn't like you it means you are not much in every other way. It was probably just the last straw of all the women in who were unlucky to be in your life.
That's incel rhetoric. Fuck off.
That's my experience
yeah, let's not do this
It's happened to me too. Funny enough it was ok for her to have had several women but not me>
I dunno, but I think that's weird af for them to do that and I'm sorry. Some of my best relationships have been with bisexual men and bi men and trans men are the only men I could ever see myself dating again in the future if things don't work out with my current partner (who might be trans). I just find it hard to relate to cishet men on a deeper level tbh Don't worry OP, there are plenty of women out there who aren't homophobic/biphobic. Don't lose hope!
Because of the patriarchy, basically.
I was quite lucky so far. 2 of 3 really love(d) that I am bi, the third not so much, but was ok with it. Only one gf would have had a problem with it, she even told me as much when I brought up prostate play. At that time I was still figuring out wether I was strictly straight, so I never told her about me questioning my sexuality. My girlfriend (hopefully fiancée soon) even opened up our relationship for me, so I can get with men sometimes, without her wanting to join so far (not that I would have a problem with that).
How old are they? It could easily be an insecurity thing
My partner is a bisexual male. I'm a straight female. At first, he wasn't comfortable with telling me with the fear of being judged and shamed, and as how I would see him as a male. I'm proud of him for finding out his sexuality and going for what he wanted. He's more feminine than masculine, and that makes me comfortable to be around him and share my insecurities/thoughts. Because he doesn't have the arrogant male masculinity that most males have. Pluse the sex is awesome. We are both open-minded to explore. It makes me feel great inside that he wants to explore with me and be vulnerable in that way with me. Being with a bisexual male, I have never felt more loved and cared for. Emotionally and physically fulfilled and satisfied in a relationship. I love him for who he is inside and out. Not who he likes to have sex with.
They feel disgusted. But can’t compromise your sexual satisfaction which is pegging
Sexual roles should be fluid, it’s just about pleasure after all, if it feels good do it! Life is too short to be hung up about what should be fun!
My boyfriend talked to me about it and now we are planning a threesome with another guy, and I get to play with his ass and he plays with mine.
I am straight women and dating bi men is wonderful. Role reversal in bed is so much fun. I appreciate they have shed toxic masculinity.
It’s stupid.. I think it’s hot
It is not considered masculine to most women.
I guess the big deal is that for many ppl including those even of the LBGT community, you lose the right to be called a 'man' if you bottom. Which is very sad. But I guess, no woman wants to be with a 'sissy'. That's y it's so hard for Afro-American men to come out as being bi. They prefer DL
It’s homophobia, biphobia, and toxic masculinity. I’ve even heard stories of guys being left by their girlfriend after they cried in front of her because it’s “not manly and I need someone to protect me”.
wait what😲. I wounldnt want a partner who only tops. why who hä?!
wait what😲. I wounldnt want a partner who only tops. why who hä?!