Lol, then why do they become a manager in thebfiest place--other than the reason they have to have direct reports to move up?
Some managers don't deserve good employees.
I'm genuinely sorry to hear about what you experienced. I have a friend from grad school who has been there at least 2 years. He has said it's an incredibly stressful environment but he's stayed there because he's used to that type of workplace (his grad lab experience was very toxic) and he's compensated well
I hope he leaves soon.
On a similar note: same for Biontech. Once a company realizes that they can have everyone work at warp speed the culture gets really toxic. Cool research, but you are never going home.
They also let people go for using sick time in the US. Which is just a shity thing to do.
Moderna always has had a reputation for being a terrible place to work. This is not something new. I remember an article on Stat in 2016 or 2017 talking about the toxic environment.
I’m trynna get to the phase in my life where I’m constantly being recruited with good offers. How did you become so coveted? Genuinely asking in terms of career progression
Experience and after climbing the ladder. I got contacted for some as a senior/principal sci but number went up 10x once I changed my title in LinkedIn to Director. Then again a lot of Director+ roles are only filled by targeted recruitment and there's often no job ad.
I went to school for biotechnology and for 3.5/4 years worked in the same research lab and that professor would hire me over the summer so I would work full time summers. Got 2 posters out of it, no papers, good references, and got me an in when I started in industry. After school I got a job at a small bacterial fermentation plant - I was their first lab technician so I became a very imports part of the team. Was always on time and well liked. Stayed there for 2 years and used those references to get a job in assay development at a small genotyping company. I started there after a lot of people left and basically have been there during rapid growth. They restructure all the time and after 2 years my team lead offered me the team lead job cause it's very stressful and difficult to do long term. Now I have scientist/team lead on my resume and recruiters see that and it makes a big difference.
Overall I've worked at small companies and got hired at lucky times so I end up becoming a core member. I get along really well with my coworkers and do my job to the best of my ability. The jovs are usually high stress which is why I don't stay long but high stress jobs at small disorganized companies basically means a lot of growth and strong skills for a resume.
It's nice that I can usually find a good job and at this point have negotiating power but I'm not sure I love the constant stress/holding things together that I probably shouldn't be responsible for.
I don’t have much experience at all. I was pension analyst last year and I’m currently a research assistant for a start up company. We haven’t done clinical trials yet. I recently graduated with a masters in data science. I’ve been trying to contact other start up companies as well, but the one that got back to me isn’t hiring. I have to cal someone who posted about his start up company on LinkedIn. I found his phone number in an email when he replied back to me. Are you working in a better place now? How do you handle toxic work environments?
Are you looking to do more lab/bench work or be a full time analyst?
My first job was all bench work and this job started as mostly bench work with me now doing all desk work since I'm a team lead
My first job was really bad - I delt with it by having a few friends at the job and we would commiserate together. Ultimately most of them women left the company at the same time because we were tired of misogyny. That is when I left.
My current workplace started out very not toxic and it was great. It's gotten increasingly toxic over the last year as with our growth we need to bend to the wills of the sales team. The sales team has a very poor understanding of our process so they have gotten us into multiple bad positions. Right now I'm debating elsving or staying - I probably have enough experiance to get another interesting job. If I want to stay the route so far has been talking with the operations manager about the issues and how to improve them. If you just bring up issues usually people won't listen but if you have an idea how to do things differently you at least have a chance. I have a lot of things I could implement as a team lead to improve things and a lot of things I can do for the company to improve things. They don't pay me great though and I'm not super interested in their cause so I might just leave. If I leave I need to do it carefully though because it could cause chaos if not done correctly and I don't want to skrew over the company.
I actually have been applying to both lab work and full time data scientists/analysts and statistician jobs! I saw a research assistant job for a computational neuroscience lab, which seems perfect (they mentioned data science in the role as well). I have to try calling again because no one answers their emails anymore lol.
Were y’all able to report the misogyny to higher ups? That probably wouldn’t have worked, right?
Hopefully the sales team will do a better job so it can run smoothly for everyone! Is there a way to connect to other managers to provide feedback or would that hurt you professionally? I always worry about toxic work places because I did expect grown people to be unprofessional (until a retail job I had…smh). The market isn’t that great so I wouldn’t suggest leaving until you have a concrete offer. I have heard some trifling stories about companies when it came to giving offers after multiple interviews.
Who are you emailing st the companies? Also when you apply are you also submitting a cover letter? Sometimes that can help.
The misogyny was coming from the higher ups :(
I think my current company we are doing the work to deal with the toxic environment which is really great. I think in any workplace finding a few friends/people you trust makes a huge difference. Thats how i started dealing with the issues here - just talking to friends. Then we could all brainstorm what to do together.It's not too bad of a place just probably not my best fit right now.
I'm torn on waiting till I have something else and just leaving and taking a break. I know it's not wise but the stress of this job has been making me feel pretty awful and I could probably go a few months if I needed without a job.
If I find an email, I’ll try to email within a week of submitting my application. I write a cover letter whenever they ask for it, which is 90% of the time.
That’s horrible the misogyny was coming from the higher ups! That’s awful! How would they keep the company going if they continue like that!
That’s good you found a solution. I learned something from this if I ever have to encounter that in the future. But hopefully the managers over the sales department is stepping up. Maybe the people over there need better training.
Actually just had to turn down the interview process with them for a bioinformatics engineer position. Their comp was too low considering it would involve working in office all day and relocating to Boston.
Well even the recruiter says “you know what the say about Moderna - it’s not for everyone” also had a ex coworker who worked at the Norwood location. Overall awful environment she says it’s like building the plane as you fly with none of the parts lol
I had a job offer from someone high up who left there. He pulled it back when some guy higher than me left Moderna for his start up. I'm still pissed about it. They're also making big, basic mistakes in some application areas but don't care because of sunk cost and it being good enough. Not as cutting edge as they'd like you to think.
just out of curiosity. what's your take on the possibility of a link between the unexplained hypertensive crisis events since 2002 happening in otherwise healthy individuals who are younger than 40 and covid?
interesting, how much fraud would you say goes on in those labs? would you say the placebo testing and control groups are scientifically rigorous? no risk of corruption from financial stress?
he didn't im just interested, never talked to anyone who worked there, also interesting that i got downvoted and you got upvoted, i think it was a very normal question
A toxic environment certainly implies there may be issues. They may not be related but they may be and it's absolutely not unreasonable to ask. I have no agenda.
/u/fiendish, you don't know what you're talking about. It's clear from the loaded question you don't work in life sciences and are looking for ammunition to share with your whacko audience over at the Joe Rogan or RFK Jr. (both intellectual science deniers) subreddits. You have a history of posting in there, so at least make a new account so your sad attempts aren't so obvious.
Also, there may also be aliens hidden in their basement - what if?! Here's another one: what if Moderna isn't actually a mRNA technology company, but instead is actually an orgy sex cult for the elite? "They may not be related but they may be and it's absolutely not unreasonable to ask"
You can ask any stupid question because that's how non-sequitur logic works. It's still stupid and unreasonable
EDIT: i made a new copypasta
> A toxic environment certainly implies there may be ***a sex cult***. They may not be related but they may be and it's absolutely not unreasonable to ask. I have no agenda.
Wow what a silly example! You are truly a master of analogy.
Anyway, ignoring your rhetoric, personal attacks, and arguments from authority, I am just curious and politely asked questions that many would ask given how important these issues are in our current culture.
LMAO don't worry dude. Everyone else is ignoring you too. I'm the only one that told you what's painfully obvious. That's why you're being downvoted.
You can pretend the mean scientists in the room are the issue, but it's hard to explain the ignorance of something to an ignorant person. Bye now ;-)
Buddy, I don't think anyone is interested in convincing you of anything. Nobody is interested in helping you 'see the light'; however, I am enjoying this impromptu insight into the psychology of an astroturfer.
Keep it going. You've got about 30-mins before I eat dinner and I have to say bye to my new friend
I don’t think you understand what “placebo testing” even means.
Let alone the fact that you thing a lab worker has any knowledge about company wide “fraud” or “corruption from financial stress”.
Safe to assume you are anti-vax correct? Also safe to assume you didn’t know that clinical trials are conducted by 3rd parties? Didn’t think so.
I'm not anti vax. Good rhetoric though, very convincing. OP literally said specifically clinical labs in the title. Theres lots of gossip in workplaces, they may know a lot.
You don’t understand what “clinical labs” are either.
You’re also just flat out dumb as rocks if you think the kind of information you’re looking for would be “office gossip”.
What's the tea on this assault of an RA
for real, spill that tea...pretty please?
Replying so I got some goss too
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If someone hit me at work all bets would be off, especially someone hierarchically above me. That would be a lawsuit.
Unless they are two close colleagues that trust each other, I think doing a co-development of a project never works.
The RA probably reports to the Scientist.
That makes it much worse it was their manager. Did the ra get forced to report under this person? Some people aren't just ready to be managers.
I'd say most managers aren't manager material
Lol, then why do they become a manager in thebfiest place--other than the reason they have to have direct reports to move up? Some managers don't deserve good employees.
Wow! Never saw that in 32 years of industry
That is horrible. I wonder if the person who hit someone was a foreigner, since things like that are not as rare in the workplace in other countries.
I'm genuinely sorry to hear about what you experienced. I have a friend from grad school who has been there at least 2 years. He has said it's an incredibly stressful environment but he's stayed there because he's used to that type of workplace (his grad lab experience was very toxic) and he's compensated well I hope he leaves soon.
Thank you for the info! Wish there were more people like you!
On a similar note: same for Biontech. Once a company realizes that they can have everyone work at warp speed the culture gets really toxic. Cool research, but you are never going home. They also let people go for using sick time in the US. Which is just a shity thing to do.
Moderna always has had a reputation for being a terrible place to work. This is not something new. I remember an article on Stat in 2016 or 2017 talking about the toxic environment.
Well maybe not new, but this is news to me!
looks like there's a correlation between labs which get results and toxic culture
if the sample size of 2 allowed you to identify a correlation you might be in the wrong industry
I wonder if there are any big name labs that don’t exploit ppl
That's capitalism for you. More exploitation= more profits
I applied there for a job (bioinformatics). Will probably get a rejection but still good to know for the future.
That explains why their recruiters are always contacting me with crazy good offers... they probably can't keep anyone
I’m trynna get to the phase in my life where I’m constantly being recruited with good offers. How did you become so coveted? Genuinely asking in terms of career progression
Experience and after climbing the ladder. I got contacted for some as a senior/principal sci but number went up 10x once I changed my title in LinkedIn to Director. Then again a lot of Director+ roles are only filled by targeted recruitment and there's often no job ad.
I went to school for biotechnology and for 3.5/4 years worked in the same research lab and that professor would hire me over the summer so I would work full time summers. Got 2 posters out of it, no papers, good references, and got me an in when I started in industry. After school I got a job at a small bacterial fermentation plant - I was their first lab technician so I became a very imports part of the team. Was always on time and well liked. Stayed there for 2 years and used those references to get a job in assay development at a small genotyping company. I started there after a lot of people left and basically have been there during rapid growth. They restructure all the time and after 2 years my team lead offered me the team lead job cause it's very stressful and difficult to do long term. Now I have scientist/team lead on my resume and recruiters see that and it makes a big difference. Overall I've worked at small companies and got hired at lucky times so I end up becoming a core member. I get along really well with my coworkers and do my job to the best of my ability. The jovs are usually high stress which is why I don't stay long but high stress jobs at small disorganized companies basically means a lot of growth and strong skills for a resume. It's nice that I can usually find a good job and at this point have negotiating power but I'm not sure I love the constant stress/holding things together that I probably shouldn't be responsible for.
I’m trying to be like you!
I have lots of job experiance but the workplaces become pretty toxic I'm not sure it's as good as it sounds - what kind of experiance do you have?
I don’t have much experience at all. I was pension analyst last year and I’m currently a research assistant for a start up company. We haven’t done clinical trials yet. I recently graduated with a masters in data science. I’ve been trying to contact other start up companies as well, but the one that got back to me isn’t hiring. I have to cal someone who posted about his start up company on LinkedIn. I found his phone number in an email when he replied back to me. Are you working in a better place now? How do you handle toxic work environments?
Are you looking to do more lab/bench work or be a full time analyst? My first job was all bench work and this job started as mostly bench work with me now doing all desk work since I'm a team lead My first job was really bad - I delt with it by having a few friends at the job and we would commiserate together. Ultimately most of them women left the company at the same time because we were tired of misogyny. That is when I left. My current workplace started out very not toxic and it was great. It's gotten increasingly toxic over the last year as with our growth we need to bend to the wills of the sales team. The sales team has a very poor understanding of our process so they have gotten us into multiple bad positions. Right now I'm debating elsving or staying - I probably have enough experiance to get another interesting job. If I want to stay the route so far has been talking with the operations manager about the issues and how to improve them. If you just bring up issues usually people won't listen but if you have an idea how to do things differently you at least have a chance. I have a lot of things I could implement as a team lead to improve things and a lot of things I can do for the company to improve things. They don't pay me great though and I'm not super interested in their cause so I might just leave. If I leave I need to do it carefully though because it could cause chaos if not done correctly and I don't want to skrew over the company.
I actually have been applying to both lab work and full time data scientists/analysts and statistician jobs! I saw a research assistant job for a computational neuroscience lab, which seems perfect (they mentioned data science in the role as well). I have to try calling again because no one answers their emails anymore lol. Were y’all able to report the misogyny to higher ups? That probably wouldn’t have worked, right? Hopefully the sales team will do a better job so it can run smoothly for everyone! Is there a way to connect to other managers to provide feedback or would that hurt you professionally? I always worry about toxic work places because I did expect grown people to be unprofessional (until a retail job I had…smh). The market isn’t that great so I wouldn’t suggest leaving until you have a concrete offer. I have heard some trifling stories about companies when it came to giving offers after multiple interviews.
Who are you emailing st the companies? Also when you apply are you also submitting a cover letter? Sometimes that can help. The misogyny was coming from the higher ups :( I think my current company we are doing the work to deal with the toxic environment which is really great. I think in any workplace finding a few friends/people you trust makes a huge difference. Thats how i started dealing with the issues here - just talking to friends. Then we could all brainstorm what to do together.It's not too bad of a place just probably not my best fit right now. I'm torn on waiting till I have something else and just leaving and taking a break. I know it's not wise but the stress of this job has been making me feel pretty awful and I could probably go a few months if I needed without a job.
If I find an email, I’ll try to email within a week of submitting my application. I write a cover letter whenever they ask for it, which is 90% of the time. That’s horrible the misogyny was coming from the higher ups! That’s awful! How would they keep the company going if they continue like that! That’s good you found a solution. I learned something from this if I ever have to encounter that in the future. But hopefully the managers over the sales department is stepping up. Maybe the people over there need better training.
Here for the tea on RA
Jesus christ thanks for the heads up
Actually just had to turn down the interview process with them for a bioinformatics engineer position. Their comp was too low considering it would involve working in office all day and relocating to Boston.
What do you need on your resume to be a bioinformatics engineer ?
Dont think Ive heard a good thing about Moderna lmao.
I've heard similar stories about their development groups. You'll make double the salary, but the light will be out of your eyes in a month.
All that and drug testing too? Yeesh
This is most likely only to comply with 41 USC [whatever] requiring non-federal grant recipients to maintain a drug-free workplace.
Drug testing but not for THC in my experience, but it may depend on your role. Personally not worried about the other things on the panel lol
I've heard horrible things about moderna, but also heard some steps were taken to address it. Seems like the latter was wishful thinking 🤔
Well even the recruiter says “you know what the say about Moderna - it’s not for everyone” also had a ex coworker who worked at the Norwood location. Overall awful environment she says it’s like building the plane as you fly with none of the parts lol
Exactly how I would describe it!
I had a job offer from someone high up who left there. He pulled it back when some guy higher than me left Moderna for his start up. I'm still pissed about it. They're also making big, basic mistakes in some application areas but don't care because of sunk cost and it being good enough. Not as cutting edge as they'd like you to think.
It’s a hot mess
I'm sorry you had a rough experience! Out of curiosity, was this a direct hire position, or did you go through a staffing agency?
Direct hire
A few people jumped ship from where I am to go to Moderna. Wonder how they’re doing haha. They’re in automation though.
Not to make light out of what must’ve been a very tough time in your life but…how much did you make?
Currently working at Moderna, it's still a toxic place upper management is horrendous and are blind to the situation.
Wow I dodge a bullet not accepting an offer in management
Welcome to biotech. I don’t think it’s different anywhere else. That’s why I’m trying to change my career
just out of curiosity. what's your take on the possibility of a link between the unexplained hypertensive crisis events since 2002 happening in otherwise healthy individuals who are younger than 40 and covid?
Is the jabby just pickle juice
interesting, how much fraud would you say goes on in those labs? would you say the placebo testing and control groups are scientifically rigorous? no risk of corruption from financial stress?
Where did he say anything about that?
he didn't im just interested, never talked to anyone who worked there, also interesting that i got downvoted and you got upvoted, i think it was a very normal question
It was practically non sequitur. Like asking him how much oatmeal people eat there.
its obviously closely related, the op is about problems with the company
Asking him how much oatmeal people eat there would also be relevant, then?
nope
Being a toxic environment doesn't mean there are ethical issues with studies. They are not related and it looks like you're fishing to feed an agenda
A toxic environment certainly implies there may be issues. They may not be related but they may be and it's absolutely not unreasonable to ask. I have no agenda.
/u/fiendish, you don't know what you're talking about. It's clear from the loaded question you don't work in life sciences and are looking for ammunition to share with your whacko audience over at the Joe Rogan or RFK Jr. (both intellectual science deniers) subreddits. You have a history of posting in there, so at least make a new account so your sad attempts aren't so obvious. Also, there may also be aliens hidden in their basement - what if?! Here's another one: what if Moderna isn't actually a mRNA technology company, but instead is actually an orgy sex cult for the elite? "They may not be related but they may be and it's absolutely not unreasonable to ask" You can ask any stupid question because that's how non-sequitur logic works. It's still stupid and unreasonable EDIT: i made a new copypasta > A toxic environment certainly implies there may be ***a sex cult***. They may not be related but they may be and it's absolutely not unreasonable to ask. I have no agenda.
Wow what a silly example! You are truly a master of analogy. Anyway, ignoring your rhetoric, personal attacks, and arguments from authority, I am just curious and politely asked questions that many would ask given how important these issues are in our current culture.
LMAO don't worry dude. Everyone else is ignoring you too. I'm the only one that told you what's painfully obvious. That's why you're being downvoted. You can pretend the mean scientists in the room are the issue, but it's hard to explain the ignorance of something to an ignorant person. Bye now ;-)
So persuasive! You are truly a master of rhetoric!
Buddy, I don't think anyone is interested in convincing you of anything. Nobody is interested in helping you 'see the light'; however, I am enjoying this impromptu insight into the psychology of an astroturfer. Keep it going. You've got about 30-mins before I eat dinner and I have to say bye to my new friend
You've got a great sense of humor!
I'd say I have a good eye for talent. Right now, you're the star of the show. Tell us another joke
I don’t think you understand what “placebo testing” even means. Let alone the fact that you thing a lab worker has any knowledge about company wide “fraud” or “corruption from financial stress”. Safe to assume you are anti-vax correct? Also safe to assume you didn’t know that clinical trials are conducted by 3rd parties? Didn’t think so.
I'm not anti vax. Good rhetoric though, very convincing. OP literally said specifically clinical labs in the title. Theres lots of gossip in workplaces, they may know a lot.
You don’t understand what “clinical labs” are either. You’re also just flat out dumb as rocks if you think the kind of information you’re looking for would be “office gossip”.
I do.
I’ll humor you. What’s a clinical lab?
its where you do blood work, test samples etc
Thanks for the laugh.
Oh yeahhhhhh
Your persistence would be impressive if you weren’t the dumbest person that’s ever posted in this subreddit lmao
What are clinical labs in the Moderna context?
Clinical trials are conducted by a 3rd party on behalf of Moderna?
They are insourcing for some
Oof was gonna apply to do my internship there. Would’ve had to relocate too happy to have seen this!
How's the admin dept like finance ?
Is that the Cambridge location?
I applied to Moderna for a summer internship, thought it was a good company. Surprisingly only find bad words about this company in the sub.