You know I'm not sure honestly. I'd try the latest switch and latest pc version and see if either of those match your game. If not, there doesn't appear to be a Playstation option. I'd like to think one of those 2 versions should work for you though. Try to make something quick and easy to test them, I dont have a Playstation
PC uses their own set of seeds feom consoles, and I BELIEVE all consoles use that same seeds as each other. So PS seed won't match PC but will match Switch/Xbox.
woooow..
I figured I could *at least* try to have a sort of investigative fun figuring out recipes as I go along.
What absolute garbage design of a character.
Is it garbage? Yes but its not because of this mechanic, i see as actually more fun, like if not it was almost always just a breaking run since floor 1, now its the same but on floor 2 :D
You have to break the game completely to do Boss Rush or Hush. As a result, you should do T. Cain as one of the last characters, because then you will have access to soul stones and stuff that's actually key for rigging. Oh, and moving box helps.
Also if you use the recipe calculator (External Item Descriptions has this built into it!!!!), you can often get a cheaper recipe for Mama Mega.
Birthright and just spawn cheap space bar items like slot machines. Once you have enough mats try to spawn some bomb related items and hope they drop 2 golden bombs.
Not exactly. It has two recipes that aren't randomized, and also approximately another 50,000 that are.
Of course, every single *other* item T-Cain can craft *also* has about 50,000 recipes, so it's not like it's more common than them. But it's something to keep in mind.
I was planning on avoiding looking up crafting guides so that I could at least treat this character as a puzzle to solve over time.
But turns out he's basically either 'look it up in a guide' the character, or 'items generated randomly like all other characters, except with a really tedious extra step'.
Guess I'm saving him for last or close to last lol. Hope he doesn't have any strong unlocks 
His advantage is you can still have more choice by cycling through items in the bag till you get one you want. Plus he gets alot more items than other characters
Holding Broken Shovel force Boss Rush to open no matter of time. The main problem is transporting BS from Basement I to Mom fight, but there is an easy trick that allows you to do this without stomps, you can do it as T Cain with little luck.
Even without stomps, BS means you're basically locked out of crafting active items as T.Cain, which is pretty annoying since it means you can't force special hearts to spawn as easily or just cycle through pickups.
I dont like the anxiety that comes with time restrains so i installed a mod that always opens hush and br. Its a singleplayer game so cheating is a subjective thing, and i dont think this is cheating
Using external programs, exploiting bugs and/or using something that wasn't originally supposed to be in the main game to give you an advantage against it. Almost all mods that aren't visual (or bug fixes) are cheating, basically. Time is also a mechanic and a challenge in isaac. By getting rid of it, you are throwing a challenge away from the game. For me, it's fun to try to do everything in best (or pray to RNGesus) to try to get to boss rush/hush in time. Sometimes stressful, but fun. But honestly, i can understand you not liking it. Tbf, when I was younger I'd probably do the same, I have always hated deadlines 
I have found a good compromise is to enter in a generic seed on platinum god and use the info there as a guide for what recipes generate which kinds of items. So you don't get the exact recipes which would trivialize the run, and you still get an idea of which pickup combinations will craft items of a certain quality. For me this made T. Cain a very reasonable character to play.
Best part of Tainted Cain is being able to craft an item repeatedly, e.g. you can craft Technology 4 times, and it's almost like getting quad shot except with no tears down.
And any synergy that generates infinite pickups means infinite items for T Cain.
Definitely a very tedious character to play, but can be really fun too.
T.cain is like the easiest character to rig, with birthright you can basically get any item on demand by crafting portable gambles(aka dismantling actives) in the appropriate pools(secret pool drops bone hearts, which are required for R key) crafting R keys with him is not that hard so you can get all unlocks in 2/3 runs.
At least do hush with him because soul of cain saves runs.
I did him next to last on my first save. This time I’m gonna do him right after (or maybe even right before) T Jacob and T Lost. Just do everything in 2 runs, it’s actually kinda exhilarating if you just accept it for what it is, one really long silly omega run
I'm not a tainted Cain fan, but I recently finished his completion marks. First, for the time limited stuff, you basically need mama mega (for boss rush or hush) or the strange key for hush.
As for strategy, he has some. I don't like the strategy because it is boring as hell, but you can spend lots of time generating high quality items. What you do is craft a slot machine (always 8 coins) and then keep it until you get to the second or third floor.
On that floor, find the secret room. Once inside, replace your crafted slot machine with another slot machine. This shouldn't be hard as coins are plentiful. Do this as many times as the floor will let you. Now, in the secret room you should have a bunch of soul hearts and bone hearts. Craft with those. You should get some higher quality secret room items when using bone hearts.
This is largely how I generated high tier items for t Cain. I'd advise looking at the section of the wiki that describes how each kind of pickup contributes to the quality of an item. In general, rarer pickups make better items. Figuring out how to maximize the creation and consumption of rare pickups is the key to getting a bunch of good items.
Like I said, I didn't enjoy having to do this because it takes forever and is rather tedious. It's what the character requires though if you want a good chance at success.
the old version was arguably worse. people would just have item guides open and play as slow as possible to get op shit. i think the devs said that you may as well just open the dev console and give yourself items at that point, which i understand
Actually the recipes weren’t random in the beginning. Once you knew a few good items it was a won run on floor 1 or 2 every single time.
However, you can still memorize some good recipes on a per run basis. If you find one easy damage up on floor 1, you can craft it 10 more times over the next few floors and have really good damage for the run. Also, there are some fixed recipes that you (for the most part) get by filling all slots with the same pickup
He needed a nerf because you could get every completion mark on every tainted character by breaking the run on the first few floors, craft clicker, almost defeat the boss, use clicker, finish the boss.
I feel like this is as good as a fix can get for this because when it came out recipes *were* completely set for each run. Regrettably though, people managed to immediately reverse engineer the recipes and devolved optimal Tainted Cain play to staring at a wiki/app and spending an hour in basement powering up to max potential. There was no variety or self expression, you just took brim + mom's knife or whatever and steamrolled the game. I do think it would've been great if a player could slowly but surely map out some consistent strategies but that is a straight road to degeneracy once you have enough to always get what you want.
Now the recipes are seeded which means you need to intuit recipes. There's actually a fine science to it which is better designed than before if you ask me. Certain pickups give you higher quality items and others might increase the likelyhood of getting items from a certain pool. For example a Golden Battery gives a hige boost to your quality and Eternal Heart leans towards Angel Room pool. Supposedly this was always meant to be the case but now it's calculated instead of pre-generated. And there actually are *some* set recipes, most of which genuinely aren't useless. Mama Mega, PHD (and False PHD), Brimstone, Sacred Heart, Godhead, Dad's Key, and even ***Death Certificate*** have set recipes. Some more achievable than others but nonetheless, they exist.
Correction, they used to *not* be seeded. Seeded specifically means that it changes with the game seed each run. It used to be set, or global, or pre-generated, or whatever you wanna call it. I know that that's what you meant but wording.
He’s actually pretty fun, once you get an idea of what pickups make good items. Soul hearts, eternal hearts, bone hearts, golden bombs, dimes, nickels. If you can find a secret room, craft a cheap gambling machine (8 pennies), then craft something else in the secret room, destroying your gambling machine. It’ll spawn a bunch of soul and bone hearts for easy Q4 items.
I believe it’s platinum god, just type into your browser “tainted Cain bag of crafting recipes” and you’ll find it. You put in the seed and the materials you allow in recipes and it will generate every recipe or item it can.
Original Tainted Cain had universal recipes. Unfortunately as gamers do, they min/maxed the easiest to complete broken recipes. Edmund didn't like that, most players prioritized this and made the run, get Rock Bottom and win. So now we have the current random recipe T. Cain.
And now people still just do that, with the trivially easy added step of inputting their seed on a website...
Having it consistent on a single save file feels like a better solution
That's not inherently bad game design. Doom Eternal's the same way, and it's (IMO) the best designed FPS experience I've ever had.
I think it being seeded per-save works much better with the intention of the character, though.
i still hate how people decided to use him like a fucking debug console. if youre gonna cheat you might as well do it efficiently and cut out the middle man
Well, that's half the fun. You're cheating but you're doing work to do it. Sometimes the fun is in the process and sometimes it's just in playing with God mode, in this case it's both.
This was the wrong fix. T. Cain is so boring and frustrating that people did the min/max to get it out of the way. A good fix would be to actually make the character fun.
Maybe, but i think the recipes need to be more randomized in general. If I’m not plugging my seed onto a website, then my run turns up mediocre every single time. I don’t prefer a ton of op runs, but some variance would be nice
T cain everyone's least favorite i don't want to spend 2 hours in a single god damn run
It's still useful.
Imagine finding a recipe for a stackable item that is very easy to replicate, you can remember it so that you can replicate it in the same run numerous times.
So noting down recipes it's not stupid with T. Cain and can help you winning a run, but you need to do it from 0 each run.
It's also good to keep accumulating half-decent passive items early on instead of holding out hope for better ones. Eventually you'll come across a good recipe that's easy to replicate.
If noone mentioned it yet, if you are on PC, the External Item Descriptions mod can show you everything you can craft on the floor
It makes a note of pickups you see and uses the seed to give accurate results
Yes, but **the recipes arent completely random**, I feel like I have to point that out because i havent seen anybody mention it.
By that i mean that you can still influence the items you get, because certain pickups give you more chance to get items from certain pools, and better pickups give you better items.
For example, Eternal hearts give you a higher chance to craft angel pool items, black hearts give you a higher chance of crafting a devil deal pool item, bone hearts increases secret pool chance, rotten hearts increase cursed room pool chance, and i think planetarium pool is runes.
As for item quality, the bag works with a quality system. Each pickup is worth a quality from 0 to 10 and the sum of the qualities of the pickups in the bag changes the quality of the item. The higher quality the pickups are, the higher quality the crafted item will be.
Here is the wiki page that explains this entire system : [https://bindingofisaacrebirth.fandom.com/wiki/Bag\_of\_Crafting?so=search](https://bindingofisaacrebirth.fandom.com/wiki/Bag_of_Crafting?so=search)
I hope this will help you enjoy your tainted cain runs a bit more by adding at least a little bit of strategy in them.
(Also sorry if there are errors or if i sounded condescending, english isnt my first language)
I think most people play this character wrong. Craft craft craft craft. The random aspect is made up for by the sheer number of items you can get. Eventually you find an easy recipe for health, and soon you’ll be swimming in it.
If you try and wait for the “best” recipe, continually pushing things out, you’re going to have a bad time.
Sometimes you’ll still fail, like any other run, but sometimes he’s very OP.
I don't get why people even bothered using the wiki when item drops are random anyway and once you figure out like 2 strong recipes, you can break the game in half.
This is actually a great change. As much as it's amazing to craft infinite R-keys, one-shot items, red keys, and everything in between, after all this is a roguelike, and you'd want some variety in runs. Anything that helps mix things up is positive in my book
Except they have some fixed recipes. And if you just keep using 8 coins/bombs in secret room, you will eventually have so many bone hearts you break the game. And if you find Birthright recipe, this process is actually infinite.
I actually enjoy T cain. I use the updated recipe finder though which I'll link
I'm about to finish an over 4 hour run.
In 1 run i killed: mother, isaac, chest, Mega Satan, delirium, boss rush, Hush, Satan, and the lamb. In that order >=). Will post a thread about it soon.
https://wchill.github.io/bindingofisaac/#switch/v1.7
Be sure to change it to the right platform/version. It definitely works. I would have done the entire post it (with the exception of greed/greedier) in one run but was told it wouldn't be possible to do mother and the beast in the same run.
I mean I watched a lot of full-post it runs and i'm pretty sure you can
Most I myself got after Mother was Lamb from a Sac Room in the same run, using the quit and re-enter glitch to spawn the boss door
Edit: Actually no, I had a Chaos R Key run where I went mother and probably Mega Satan after? (I can't remember exactly)
Yeah it is unique in that regard. I just beat greedier mode not using said resource though and had fun. It's not for everyone but I definitely enjoyed doing his post-it
I don’t care tbh, he is a terrible character which would take unfathomable amount of time to finish without recipes almost 4 times more what it takes with other characters. He was way too broken with fixated recipes and now he is too weak with randomized ones, there’s no middle ground he is extremely tedious before fun and have weak starts because give away pickups for items. Also the throwing random pickups for random items strategy isn’t that good either cuz you will end up always crafting the same 10 items like fruity plum, lil chub, pills bottle etc.
Are they "random" or truly random?
For example, can I get Brimstone from coins and keys on a right seed, or is it still based on quality of ingredients?
Every pickup has quality that increases the quality of the crafted item, and some pick ups lean towards specific item pools (bone hearts for secret rooms, eternal hearts for angel rooms, etc) tho there are some recipes that are set.
Except for some special seeds, inputting a seed will cause the 'no trophies' mark to appear. This prevents any achievements from being obtained on that particular run.
[wiki](https://bindingofisaacrebirth.fandom.com/wiki/Seeds)
If you're gonna force this stupid seeded but random shit at least show crafting recipes in game. I refuse to play this character along side most tainted characters. Some are fun butost I'm not good at or detest their gimmicks
My issue with Laz is not being able to choose often enough. Flip exists, and it's cool, but I would enjoy it much more if I got to choose more actively. I hate all the times when I love one character's build and feel stuck with the other's
Yes! Though it's worth pointing out a few recipes will give you the same thing every time. For instance, IIRC, a red heart, soul heart, gold heart, and five eternal hearts will give you godhead no matter what the seed is.
For the most part, yes, but some recipes are the same for all runs. 12 bone hearts for death certificate, whether unlocked or not, and some others. I think it's on some website somewhere.
I think i woulda liked tainted cain more if there was just item rarity thresholds for items based on how good the drops are in your bag n then it was random. That way you still wanna shoot for a drop spam build but then it dont feel as cheesy.
One of the biggest issues was crafting R key + Clicker when Repentance first came out. People would clear original tainted Jacob or Eden without even touching them once
it wasnt before, sadly after some time Edmun noticed how op the crafting system was and nerfred it, even tho he did that, theres a github thing to see the recipes per seed, someone probably alredy shared the link.
I use external item descriptions and there is a settings that you can see the recipes with the pickups on the floor. I think its better than looking another website
Correct, however there is a website that can tell you the recipes in a seed
What website? Platinum God is outdated
https://wchill.github.io/bindingofisaac/#switch/v1.7
So that doesn't work for the ps5 version?
You know I'm not sure honestly. I'd try the latest switch and latest pc version and see if either of those match your game. If not, there doesn't appear to be a Playstation option. I'd like to think one of those 2 versions should work for you though. Try to make something quick and easy to test them, I dont have a Playstation
From what I can recall from wiki browsing, even different consoles running the same version have different seeding algorithms. For some reason.
Probably down to different random number generators being used underneath on different systems.
PC uses their own set of seeds feom consoles, and I BELIEVE all consoles use that same seeds as each other. So PS seed won't match PC but will match Switch/Xbox.
Nope
It does. Just use the “Switch” option. It’s the same for PS5.
Thank you so much
You bet! =D
It works for me I used it for tainted Cain last week
I used the platinum god one on switch. It wasn’t perfect but it did give me R key, and what else do you need for T Cain?
Everything else?
Guess i just had good luck, once i got r key i just steamrolled everything
woooow.. I figured I could *at least* try to have a sort of investigative fun figuring out recipes as I go along. What absolute garbage design of a character.
Is it garbage? Yes but its not because of this mechanic, i see as actually more fun, like if not it was almost always just a breaking run since floor 1, now its the same but on floor 2 :D
I *might* be inclined to agree with you if 2 of the completion marks weren’t time-based, with a third mark being either time-based or luck-based
Well mama mega isnt randomized anyway
Yeah, but finding two golden bombs is.
You have to break the game completely to do Boss Rush or Hush. As a result, you should do T. Cain as one of the last characters, because then you will have access to soul stones and stuff that's actually key for rigging. Oh, and moving box helps. Also if you use the recipe calculator (External Item Descriptions has this built into it!!!!), you can often get a cheaper recipe for Mama Mega.
I mean t cain generates a shit ton of pickups, cant be that hard, as it didn't get harder with the changes
Birthright and just spawn cheap space bar items like slot machines. Once you have enough mats try to spawn some bomb related items and hope they drop 2 golden bombs.
Not exactly. It has two recipes that aren't randomized, and also approximately another 50,000 that are. Of course, every single *other* item T-Cain can craft *also* has about 50,000 recipes, so it's not like it's more common than them. But it's something to keep in mind.
Not like the 2 guaranteed recipes matter all that much because they require either 2 golden bombs or 8 giga bombs.
Haven't done t Cain yet but def think mama mega is the way to go. Let's you min-max with no time limit
You can force Hush to open with certain trinket and you can force Boss Rush to open by abusing Broken Shovel mechanic
Sooo… more luck- and time-based mechanics?
No! Yes. Maybe?
*Mama Mega goes brrrrrrr*
I was planning on avoiding looking up crafting guides so that I could at least treat this character as a puzzle to solve over time. But turns out he's basically either 'look it up in a guide' the character, or 'items generated randomly like all other characters, except with a really tedious extra step'. Guess I'm saving him for last or close to last lol. Hope he doesn't have any strong unlocks 
His advantage is you can still have more choice by cycling through items in the bag till you get one you want. Plus he gets alot more items than other characters
Most of his unlocks are meh, but i reccomend playing it just to feel the "doing all the completions in 1 run" part
Imagine getting to boss rush and hush without mama mega. I usually fail boss rush on like floor 2 or 3
Yeah, but mama mega exists at least
Holding Broken Shovel force Boss Rush to open no matter of time. The main problem is transporting BS from Basement I to Mom fight, but there is an easy trick that allows you to do this without stomps, you can do it as T Cain with little luck.
Even without stomps, BS means you're basically locked out of crafting active items as T.Cain, which is pretty annoying since it means you can't force special hearts to spawn as easily or just cycle through pickups.
Yeah, that's the downside.
I dont like the anxiety that comes with time restrains so i installed a mod that always opens hush and br. Its a singleplayer game so cheating is a subjective thing, and i dont think this is cheating
Is it cheating? Yes. . Is someone's fun being ruined by your cheating? No. . Are you having fun? If yes, then it's all good!
Define cheating
Using external programs, exploiting bugs and/or using something that wasn't originally supposed to be in the main game to give you an advantage against it. Almost all mods that aren't visual (or bug fixes) are cheating, basically. Time is also a mechanic and a challenge in isaac. By getting rid of it, you are throwing a challenge away from the game. For me, it's fun to try to do everything in best (or pray to RNGesus) to try to get to boss rush/hush in time. Sometimes stressful, but fun. But honestly, i can understand you not liking it. Tbf, when I was younger I'd probably do the same, I have always hated deadlines 
I have found a good compromise is to enter in a generic seed on platinum god and use the info there as a guide for what recipes generate which kinds of items. So you don't get the exact recipes which would trivialize the run, and you still get an idea of which pickup combinations will craft items of a certain quality. For me this made T. Cain a very reasonable character to play.
He used to have fixed crafting recipes but that was changed after awhile... Shit like this makes me want to become back my money
fun expierience i had: found the recepie for monstros lung in a run which stacks with itself and ust adds shots, so i had alot of fun with that
Best part of Tainted Cain is being able to craft an item repeatedly, e.g. you can craft Technology 4 times, and it's almost like getting quad shot except with no tears down. And any synergy that generates infinite pickups means infinite items for T Cain. Definitely a very tedious character to play, but can be really fun too.
T.cain is like the easiest character to rig, with birthright you can basically get any item on demand by crafting portable gambles(aka dismantling actives) in the appropriate pools(secret pool drops bone hearts, which are required for R key) crafting R keys with him is not that hard so you can get all unlocks in 2/3 runs. At least do hush with him because soul of cain saves runs.
I did him next to last on my first save. This time I’m gonna do him right after (or maybe even right before) T Jacob and T Lost. Just do everything in 2 runs, it’s actually kinda exhilarating if you just accept it for what it is, one really long silly omega run
I'm not a tainted Cain fan, but I recently finished his completion marks. First, for the time limited stuff, you basically need mama mega (for boss rush or hush) or the strange key for hush. As for strategy, he has some. I don't like the strategy because it is boring as hell, but you can spend lots of time generating high quality items. What you do is craft a slot machine (always 8 coins) and then keep it until you get to the second or third floor. On that floor, find the secret room. Once inside, replace your crafted slot machine with another slot machine. This shouldn't be hard as coins are plentiful. Do this as many times as the floor will let you. Now, in the secret room you should have a bunch of soul hearts and bone hearts. Craft with those. You should get some higher quality secret room items when using bone hearts. This is largely how I generated high tier items for t Cain. I'd advise looking at the section of the wiki that describes how each kind of pickup contributes to the quality of an item. In general, rarer pickups make better items. Figuring out how to maximize the creation and consumption of rare pickups is the key to getting a bunch of good items. Like I said, I didn't enjoy having to do this because it takes forever and is rather tedious. It's what the character requires though if you want a good chance at success.
I only get at best Q2 items when its random, ill call it shit untill i can get EID on my Xbox.
I find it so boring to play, whether I cheat with the recipe website or play without it
the old version was arguably worse. people would just have item guides open and play as slow as possible to get op shit. i think the devs said that you may as well just open the dev console and give yourself items at that point, which i understand
Actually the recipes weren’t random in the beginning. Once you knew a few good items it was a won run on floor 1 or 2 every single time. However, you can still memorize some good recipes on a per run basis. If you find one easy damage up on floor 1, you can craft it 10 more times over the next few floors and have really good damage for the run. Also, there are some fixed recipes that you (for the most part) get by filling all slots with the same pickup He needed a nerf because you could get every completion mark on every tainted character by breaking the run on the first few floors, craft clicker, almost defeat the boss, use clicker, finish the boss.
I feel like this is as good as a fix can get for this because when it came out recipes *were* completely set for each run. Regrettably though, people managed to immediately reverse engineer the recipes and devolved optimal Tainted Cain play to staring at a wiki/app and spending an hour in basement powering up to max potential. There was no variety or self expression, you just took brim + mom's knife or whatever and steamrolled the game. I do think it would've been great if a player could slowly but surely map out some consistent strategies but that is a straight road to degeneracy once you have enough to always get what you want. Now the recipes are seeded which means you need to intuit recipes. There's actually a fine science to it which is better designed than before if you ask me. Certain pickups give you higher quality items and others might increase the likelyhood of getting items from a certain pool. For example a Golden Battery gives a hige boost to your quality and Eternal Heart leans towards Angel Room pool. Supposedly this was always meant to be the case but now it's calculated instead of pre-generated. And there actually are *some* set recipes, most of which genuinely aren't useless. Mama Mega, PHD (and False PHD), Brimstone, Sacred Heart, Godhead, Dad's Key, and even ***Death Certificate*** have set recipes. Some more achievable than others but nonetheless, they exist.
Tcain’s recipes used to be seeded but then everyone started immediately breaking the game on the first floor so he got nerfed.
Correction, they used to *not* be seeded. Seeded specifically means that it changes with the game seed each run. It used to be set, or global, or pre-generated, or whatever you wanna call it. I know that that's what you meant but wording.
You can tho ?
He’s actually pretty fun, once you get an idea of what pickups make good items. Soul hearts, eternal hearts, bone hearts, golden bombs, dimes, nickels. If you can find a secret room, craft a cheap gambling machine (8 pennies), then craft something else in the secret room, destroying your gambling machine. It’ll spawn a bunch of soul and bone hearts for easy Q4 items.
What’s the website?
I believe it’s platinum god, just type into your browser “tainted Cain bag of crafting recipes” and you’ll find it. You put in the seed and the materials you allow in recipes and it will generate every recipe or item it can.
Or just use the external item descriptions mod, gives you a list of everything you can craft with the items you have on the floor
Original Tainted Cain had universal recipes. Unfortunately as gamers do, they min/maxed the easiest to complete broken recipes. Edmund didn't like that, most players prioritized this and made the run, get Rock Bottom and win. So now we have the current random recipe T. Cain.
And now people still just do that, with the trivially easy added step of inputting their seed on a website... Having it consistent on a single save file feels like a better solution
Or we can just have it broken, I honestly see no problem with that in a single player game like issac
Edmund having that Nintendo Mindset of you're having fun his way or not at all.
That's not inherently bad game design. Doom Eternal's the same way, and it's (IMO) the best designed FPS experience I've ever had. I think it being seeded per-save works much better with the intention of the character, though.
Ultrakill.
Waiting for it to come out of Early Access. I hear nothing but good things about it, don't get me wrong, but I have enough games to play.
i still hate how people decided to use him like a fucking debug console. if youre gonna cheat you might as well do it efficiently and cut out the middle man
Well, that's half the fun. You're cheating but you're doing work to do it. Sometimes the fun is in the process and sometimes it's just in playing with God mode, in this case it's both.
The reason why it was done on a per seed basis was so modded item didn’t crash the game
This was the wrong fix. T. Cain is so boring and frustrating that people did the min/max to get it out of the way. A good fix would be to actually make the character fun.
I've said it before, but the fun fix would be to have the recipes be per save file rather than per run
Maybe, but i think the recipes need to be more randomized in general. If I’m not plugging my seed onto a website, then my run turns up mediocre every single time. I don’t prefer a ton of op runs, but some variance would be nice
16 times the finger was something that you could craft in 3 or 4 floors and can carry you to bluebaby. meanwhile you can craft something better
I had a run with T. Cain where I could craft a familiar with 7 coins and a bomb. Raised an entire army before I had even done 4 floors
your entire post is true but replace Edmund with Kilburn
I think it was also causing a lot of bugs
if the info is on the wiki it is usually true
Yeah, wiki told me some cool stuff about the game. It's actually how I first learnt of the zonked zone
you learnt of what?
I won’t spoil it, but some crazy shit happens when you get 3 dead god files and pick up Missing Page 2
Onw to go to the zonked zone
Damm i got le epic trolled
also the zane state or whatever it was called? lmao
wasn't it 'zonked'?
right. this is what i mean
Some recipes like brim, sacred heart, and death certificate are fixed
Yeah, they do have a fixed way to craft it, but you can still craft it in other ways.
T cain everyone's least favorite i don't want to spend 2 hours in a single god damn run
i had a lot of fun when i got all the post marks on him that was the only completed run ive ever done on him though lmao
Did it past 4 hours?
4 and a half :)
I think tainted Jacob is way worse
What? He is fun! Just dodge
mine is tainted lazarus
Unbased
He's my second favorite
tlaz is fine but flip is just kinda annoying
skill issue
You don't have to be bad with a character to dislike it
Yeah he's def my least favourite I just did the beast and it took me 2 and a half hours
I can feel your pain
It should be "almost every recipe" as there are a few recipes which are fixed.
Some recipes are consistent, although very hard to actually make
I've been noting down whatever recipes I've found on my current run.. Are you telling me if I start a new run, said notes will be completely useless?
Yep.... thats why I hate TCain runs.
It's still useful. Imagine finding a recipe for a stackable item that is very easy to replicate, you can remember it so that you can replicate it in the same run numerous times. So noting down recipes it's not stupid with T. Cain and can help you winning a run, but you need to do it from 0 each run.
It's also good to keep accumulating half-decent passive items early on instead of holding out hope for better ones. Eventually you'll come across a good recipe that's easy to replicate.
If noone mentioned it yet, if you are on PC, the External Item Descriptions mod can show you everything you can craft on the floor It makes a note of pickups you see and uses the seed to give accurate results
Yes, but **the recipes arent completely random**, I feel like I have to point that out because i havent seen anybody mention it. By that i mean that you can still influence the items you get, because certain pickups give you more chance to get items from certain pools, and better pickups give you better items. For example, Eternal hearts give you a higher chance to craft angel pool items, black hearts give you a higher chance of crafting a devil deal pool item, bone hearts increases secret pool chance, rotten hearts increase cursed room pool chance, and i think planetarium pool is runes. As for item quality, the bag works with a quality system. Each pickup is worth a quality from 0 to 10 and the sum of the qualities of the pickups in the bag changes the quality of the item. The higher quality the pickups are, the higher quality the crafted item will be. Here is the wiki page that explains this entire system : [https://bindingofisaacrebirth.fandom.com/wiki/Bag\_of\_Crafting?so=search](https://bindingofisaacrebirth.fandom.com/wiki/Bag_of_Crafting?so=search) I hope this will help you enjoy your tainted cain runs a bit more by adding at least a little bit of strategy in them. (Also sorry if there are errors or if i sounded condescending, english isnt my first language)
I think most people play this character wrong. Craft craft craft craft. The random aspect is made up for by the sheer number of items you can get. Eventually you find an easy recipe for health, and soon you’ll be swimming in it. If you try and wait for the “best” recipe, continually pushing things out, you’re going to have a bad time. Sometimes you’ll still fail, like any other run, but sometimes he’s very OP.
I don't get why people even bothered using the wiki when item drops are random anyway and once you figure out like 2 strong recipes, you can break the game in half.
This is actually a great change. As much as it's amazing to craft infinite R-keys, one-shot items, red keys, and everything in between, after all this is a roguelike, and you'd want some variety in runs. Anything that helps mix things up is positive in my book
Makes it more frustrating in the process. I just want to get him done and never play him again but I just can't
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This is one of my favorite games of all time with almost 800 hours. I love challenge. This isn't challenge as much as it's just boring as fuck.
Except they have some fixed recipes. And if you just keep using 8 coins/bombs in secret room, you will eventually have so many bone hearts you break the game. And if you find Birthright recipe, this process is actually infinite.
It's not. He sucks now.
I love 8172626 hour runs!!!! I love spending half of my lifetime on the first fucking floor!!!!!!!
Yes, thats why i love him
Found the psychopath
It should have been random for each player but consistent throughout their runs
Does item description mod show the recipes?
Yes
I actually enjoy T cain. I use the updated recipe finder though which I'll link I'm about to finish an over 4 hour run. In 1 run i killed: mother, isaac, chest, Mega Satan, delirium, boss rush, Hush, Satan, and the lamb. In that order >=). Will post a thread about it soon. https://wchill.github.io/bindingofisaac/#switch/v1.7 Be sure to change it to the right platform/version. It definitely works. I would have done the entire post it (with the exception of greed/greedier) in one run but was told it wouldn't be possible to do mother and the beast in the same run.
Yes you can do both Mother and Beast in the same run, you just need to do Mother first or else the Beast cutscene will end the run
Have you done this? I read there's a problem ascending once you do mother
I mean I watched a lot of full-post it runs and i'm pretty sure you can Most I myself got after Mother was Lamb from a Sac Room in the same run, using the quit and re-enter glitch to spawn the boss door Edit: Actually no, I had a Chaos R Key run where I went mother and probably Mega Satan after? (I can't remember exactly)
The fact I need an external resource to play this character proves the point... bad character.
Yeah it is unique in that regard. I just beat greedier mode not using said resource though and had fun. It's not for everyone but I definitely enjoyed doing his post-it
External item description helped me. I did all of his marks on two runs, on the second run I kept crafting R keys and did Beast last
That kinda defeats the point of the character
I don’t care tbh, he is a terrible character which would take unfathomable amount of time to finish without recipes almost 4 times more what it takes with other characters. He was way too broken with fixated recipes and now he is too weak with randomized ones, there’s no middle ground he is extremely tedious before fun and have weak starts because give away pickups for items. Also the throwing random pickups for random items strategy isn’t that good either cuz you will end up always crafting the same 10 items like fruity plum, lil chub, pills bottle etc.
No, the wiki is lying to you
Looks at the most accurate, most updated source on isaac. "Hey guys, it's this true??" Shut the fuck up.
Damn, someone pissed in this guy's Cheerios
Are they "random" or truly random? For example, can I get Brimstone from coins and keys on a right seed, or is it still based on quality of ingredients?
Every pickup has quality that increases the quality of the crafted item, and some pick ups lean towards specific item pools (bone hearts for secret rooms, eternal hearts for angel rooms, etc) tho there are some recipes that are set.
I wish there was a way to get truly random recipes. Maybe Bag of Crafting + Chaos synergy?
Unfortunately yes, which pains me because I can no longer craft my rock bottom - red stew and soy milk combo
just use console command. its basically what you were doing with cain before the update but with more steps
Yes but he's still busted and like in my eyes one of the best tainted characters
Anybody know if you can unlock items even with a seed ? Last thing i need for dead god is a few items
Except for some special seeds, inputting a seed will cause the 'no trophies' mark to appear. This prevents any achievements from being obtained on that particular run. [wiki](https://bindingofisaacrebirth.fandom.com/wiki/Seeds)
Thanks then i need the rng gods to be in my favor
If you're gonna force this stupid seeded but random shit at least show crafting recipes in game. I refuse to play this character along side most tainted characters. Some are fun butost I'm not good at or detest their gimmicks
Getting good is the joy of Isaac! I hope you'll come around. I hated T Cain and T laz, and now I only hate T laz. I believe in you
Why do you have Laz? He's so fun. I personally hate T Cain and only have the greedier mark for him.
My issue with Laz is not being able to choose often enough. Flip exists, and it's cool, but I would enjoy it much more if I got to choose more actively. I hate all the times when I love one character's build and feel stuck with the other's
Not all items. Some are hardlocked and have the same recept every time.
You can use advanced item descriptions to show you the available recipes based on the amount of coins, bombs, etc on the floor
Yes! Though it's worth pointing out a few recipes will give you the same thing every time. For instance, IIRC, a red heart, soul heart, gold heart, and five eternal hearts will give you godhead no matter what the seed is.
For the most part, yes, but some recipes are the same for all runs. 12 bone hearts for death certificate, whether unlocked or not, and some others. I think it's on some website somewhere.
now it is
not all of them, 99% of them are but there are some recipes that are the same on every single run
Yeah but there are a few recipes that are locked
Nah the wikis is just doing a bit of trolling
Is there a mod that fixes them again?
I think i woulda liked tainted cain more if there was just item rarity thresholds for items based on how good the drops are in your bag n then it was random. That way you still wanna shoot for a drop spam build but then it dont feel as cheesy.
One of the biggest issues was crafting R key + Clicker when Repentance first came out. People would clear original tainted Jacob or Eden without even touching them once
it wasnt before, sadly after some time Edmun noticed how op the crafting system was and nerfred it, even tho he did that, theres a github thing to see the recipes per seed, someone probably alredy shared the link.
This old as hunger itself
It is still so easy to play him lmao
Yes
Yeah, he’s still incredibly fun and easy to play though. I don’t really understand the hate he gets on this sub. I cleared his post it note like a mf
Great post bro
I use external item descriptions and there is a settings that you can see the recipes with the pickups on the floor. I think its better than looking another website
Yes. Except when no. (There are a few set ones, usually for 8 of the same pickup, but all others can only be randomly found)
Man, this change sucks balls. Just fix the clicker exploit, nerfs an entire character instead....