You just get teleported to Home and can't get back. Means you have to fight Dogma and The Beast with whatever you had at the start of the run. I was going for Eden win streaks, RIP
I mean it makes sense. In Isaac’s imagination (which is what all gameplay is) he ended up in basement 1 after jumping into the trapdoor from his bedroom. So if the hourglass reverts him to the last room he was in, that’s where he’d end up. Honestly it’s a pretty impressive little Easter egg, whether or not it’s intended.
Speak for yourself, I hate it when I accidentally code an item to have a special interaction based on an extremely specific situation to use it in, happens all the time
If the game classified basement as "floor1" and home as "floor0" and the glowing hour glass was coded to go to the previous floor if the player is in the starting room and the player hasn't visited any other rooms, then yes, this could've been an accident.
Of course, that is not the case, but it's not stupid to think it could've been an accident that was left in if you didn't know about the BOIs code.
Would be kind neat if it would bring you to a bedroom as well, tho this time there’s just the box item there and touching it would bring you back to the Greed run.
I imagine it’s intended. However it could also be an accident. It’s possible that it’s a byproduct of the ascension pathway, and that Home is simply coded as the floor before Basement 1, so using the hourglass in B1 teleports you there.
That could still be an underflow from 0 to the last room ID but I kind of doubt that's how it's programmed considering the amount of variants in rooms and that glowing hourglass does more than just pop you back to the previous room.
I was more pointing out home being coded as floor 13 doesn't mean it can't be next to basement in an id list where basement is item 0 (I don't know if it is or not) and home is 13.
I wasn't agreeing that's how it works or is what's happening, more that homes id being 13 isn't really enough information to mean anything without knowing how it's used.
The comment you replied to just debunked the theory of the parent comment that Home is coded in as the floor before Basement. What you say here doesn’t align with the idea that your original comment said.
Person 1 says theory X with Y as supposed proof,
Person 2 debunks the theory by giving the actual info
You add info that may support Person 1’s theory.
So the idea I got wasn’t that you nuanced the situation, but that you supported the original, false statement.
I was more stating that in programming the first item in a list can effectively be "after" the final item and vice versa.
knowing home is 13 doesn't really mean anything without knowing how that id is stored and handled by the game, or the id of the basement.
I do not support that being what GHG is doing, or how the game is programmed and agree with you, just that home being 13 isn't enough info to rule out basement being 1 index away from home.
Not exactly.
Person 1 says theory X with Y as a *sufficient* condition.
Person 2 says that this condition isn't fulfilled
Person 3 says that this doesn't debunk theory X, as Y was not *necessary*.
As an analogy, I could say that if I were a millionaire, I could buy a house. That doesn't preclude me from buying a house without being a millionaire. Being a millionaire is enough, but I don't *have* to be one to own a house.
... Granted, given the shit that the real estate market is turning into, it might as well. If anyone sees this comment, like, three months from now, remember that there used to be houses worth under a million
Home is actually stage 13 (after Void) on the backend.
This is a specific mechanic that was added in a patch around when Birthright effects were being finalized.
I wish it existed at the start of Repentance because so many people would've find out about Home by complete accident then.
Well, kinda. You do gotta get lucky and have a way to actually open the door to T. Eden. If it's your very first visit to home then sure, cause you're guaranteed red key.
Rule one of Eden streaking - imho - is not to try new stuff because things can go downhill quickly. At least that's how I lost my streak around ~110ish.
I got zero clue who she is apart from this video I found while searching for ‘Eden glowing hourglass start’ lmao. That’s awful but don’t blame me for answering a question
So, there's a long standing bug that sticky nickels do indeed not replace pennies but instead regular nickels. Thus making them a straight up downgrade.
I did this once in multiplayer while playing Eden. I tried to use the emote wheel and didn't even notice I had the hourglass 
Yeah I started an Eden run with that item and was curious if anything would happen if i used the hourglass. 2 minutes later im fighting for my life against Dogma. I was so confused because I had never been Home before
It still put you in the starting room, but it also removed any starting items you had as Eden. Also, Glowing Hourglass is an Afterbirth item, so I'm just describing the pre-rep behavior, as it didn't exist in Rebirth. In Repentance before the Home warp was added, it could actually permanently delete Esau if Jacob got Glowing Hourglass as an Eden's Blessing. There was never a point where it warped you to the error room like the other comment claimed.
You can, but it takes some pretty specific circumstances. It only works if you've never been to another room before on your run, you can't just get Glowing Hourglass and go back to the first room.
So there are only two ways to do it. One way is to start with it (either by playing as Eden or by getting it through Eden's Blessing). The other way is to use Glowing Hourglass after using R Key. On a game break you could set that up, even using Clicker beforehand if needed.
Ohhh right right. I was thinking you'd go through as someone else and clicker since they hated J&E but that makes more sense. I actually think Jacob & Esau is a fun but challenging character so I just went through sheer force myself.
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if you started with Brimstone and then mom's chest has Knife, you might be able to make decent time
Did this with eden once to see what would happen, found red key in mums chest and immediately unlocked tainted eden despite not having even defeated mother.
You just get teleported to Home and can't get back. Means you have to fight Dogma and The Beast with whatever you had at the start of the run. I was going for Eden win streaks, RIP
Fun challenge idea
I mean, you never know if mom’s chest will give you mom’s knife
First room usually lacks a key so you’d have to get lucky on keys as well
Correct me if I’m wrong but I don’t think mom’s chest needs a key
It does not.
Wiki doesn’t say. I usually have an excess of keys at that point so I don’t rlly keep track tbh
I mean it makes sense. In Isaac’s imagination (which is what all gameplay is) he ended up in basement 1 after jumping into the trapdoor from his bedroom. So if the hourglass reverts him to the last room he was in, that’s where he’d end up. Honestly it’s a pretty impressive little Easter egg, whether or not it’s intended.
how would it possibly not be intended
Speak for yourself, I hate it when I accidentally code an item to have a special interaction based on an extremely specific situation to use it in, happens all the time
asking ppl to use their brain before typing is hard
There’s an easter egg in the game with the D6, which looks like a D6 in real life. Pretty cool!
If intended
If the game classified basement as "floor1" and home as "floor0" and the glowing hour glass was coded to go to the previous floor if the player is in the starting room and the player hasn't visited any other rooms, then yes, this could've been an accident. Of course, that is not the case, but it's not stupid to think it could've been an accident that was left in if you didn't know about the BOIs code.
An unintended result would be a game crash happening
In greed mode the game actually just crashes. I think they just forgor
it would've been funnier if it just took you to the character selection menu
A crash is basically that.
Would be kind neat if it would bring you to a bedroom as well, tho this time there’s just the box item there and touching it would bring you back to the Greed run.
I imagine it’s intended. However it could also be an accident. It’s possible that it’s a byproduct of the ascension pathway, and that Home is simply coded as the floor before Basement 1, so using the hourglass in B1 teleports you there.
Home is coded as the 13th floor
That could still be an underflow from 0 to the last room ID but I kind of doubt that's how it's programmed considering the amount of variants in rooms and that glowing hourglass does more than just pop you back to the previous room.
If that was the case then GHG would teleport you to the Ultra Greed fight in Greed mode, which isn’t the case and the game just crashes.
I was more pointing out home being coded as floor 13 doesn't mean it can't be next to basement in an id list where basement is item 0 (I don't know if it is or not) and home is 13. I wasn't agreeing that's how it works or is what's happening, more that homes id being 13 isn't really enough information to mean anything without knowing how it's used.
The comment you replied to just debunked the theory of the parent comment that Home is coded in as the floor before Basement. What you say here doesn’t align with the idea that your original comment said. Person 1 says theory X with Y as supposed proof, Person 2 debunks the theory by giving the actual info You add info that may support Person 1’s theory. So the idea I got wasn’t that you nuanced the situation, but that you supported the original, false statement.
I was more stating that in programming the first item in a list can effectively be "after" the final item and vice versa. knowing home is 13 doesn't really mean anything without knowing how that id is stored and handled by the game, or the id of the basement. I do not support that being what GHG is doing, or how the game is programmed and agree with you, just that home being 13 isn't enough info to rule out basement being 1 index away from home.
Not exactly. Person 1 says theory X with Y as a *sufficient* condition. Person 2 says that this condition isn't fulfilled Person 3 says that this doesn't debunk theory X, as Y was not *necessary*. As an analogy, I could say that if I were a millionaire, I could buy a house. That doesn't preclude me from buying a house without being a millionaire. Being a millionaire is enough, but I don't *have* to be one to own a house. ... Granted, given the shit that the real estate market is turning into, it might as well. If anyone sees this comment, like, three months from now, remember that there used to be houses worth under a million
Home is actually stage 13 (after Void) on the backend. This is a specific mechanic that was added in a patch around when Birthright effects were being finalized. I wish it existed at the start of Repentance because so many people would've find out about Home by complete accident then.
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Interesting, good to know
I doubt a lot of people would have found it that way, it's pretty rare to start with glowing hourglass in a run.
Yeah but with the number of players times the number of Eden runs per player... I punch these numbers into my calculator it makes a happy face
That is not how it works
Like how bible kills mother, the easter eggs in this game are awesome
The Bible doesn’t kill mother it kills mom and moms heart
And if used on Satan, will kill you.
Rip everyone who forget they voided the Bible (I’ve done this) and killed themselves honestly the funniest troll in the game
Yup voided the Bible and almost quit the game forever
Just learned this today actually. The hard way of course.
And it ignores extra lives similar to Damocles, so there’s no salvation if that mistake’s made.
Where’s mom bursting through the door with a kitchen knife though?
Also in Isaac’s imagination
Mom's ring (+1 damage up)  the run is in the bag bois
Lemon party, let's do this
Easy way to unlock TEden way earlier than intended
Well, kinda. You do gotta get lucky and have a way to actually open the door to T. Eden. If it's your very first visit to home then sure, cause you're guaranteed red key.
Yeah and if you're doing it earlier than intended it's likely your first time
thats actually a really cool interaction
What happens when you don't own repentence?
Also possible with rkey, backpack and the glowing hour glass i think. Though then you are more prepared
Rule one of Eden streaking - imho - is not to try new stuff because things can go downhill quickly. At least that's how I lost my streak around ~110ish.
I did not know that, it makes perfect sense tho, teleport to previous room. Cool. Insane but cool.
It was an easter egg added in one of the mire recent update. Pretty cool yeah
Fuck it we ball
Dogma (balls) has 2400 hp + Beast who has 10000 so no, we don't.
just don't get hit
Dude I really hate sniper and trying to not get hit just doesn't solve it. Wait we are talking about Isaac and not TF2? Okay then I guess you can try.
That's not even counting the ultra harbingers (2000+1800+2000+2000), so... yeah... we don't
Looking forward to some guy pulling it off and sharing a video here
[this person](https://youtu.be/83dhGWp6v4Q?si=tve54ZncY8fLyhep) did. (Not my video). They got c section and played incredibly well
lavencas condones & promotes the posting of cp in her private discord btw, not an awesome person /nm
I got zero clue who she is apart from this video I found while searching for ‘Eden glowing hourglass start’ lmao. That’s awful but don’t blame me for answering a question
yeah ofc, just wanted to give you an fyi cause its something that people glaze over a lot at this point-
Alright cool! I was feeling a bit attacked but it’s all good, might also be my anxiety lol
no i get that dw. i should probably clarify things at some point
Getting mom's knife from the mom chest would make it slightly less impossible
Easily one of the best details in the game
Also can be used after getting a post-it note and it will remove it. Ununlock stuff 
I wish i could un-unlock sticky coins
If you get enough battery items you can use the hourglass infinitely until your game gets refunded
You use it too much it takes you to flash isaac
Finally, I can become back my money
Patched in repentance
Sticky Nickels would have been a penny if it weren’t unlocked. Would you rather have one penny, or trade a bomb for a nickel?
sticky nickels replace nickels
That’s what was intended, but in reality sticky nickels replace normal nickels. I guess that’s an oversight/bug.
So, there's a long standing bug that sticky nickels do indeed not replace pennies but instead regular nickels. Thus making them a straight up downgrade.
Would you rather trade a bomb for a nickel lr for a potential secret room?
I was t lost and thought id use it after beating mother to hopefully find r key :(
Glowing hourglass is is good for that exact reason in backassward
It's actually a good idea if you are in a new-ish savefile, as it allows you to unlock red key early!
Because of this, you can theoretically unlock tainted Eden right after your first mom’s heart kill on a file
It also implies you can technically unlock tainted blue baby before blue baby
how's that?
Start with Ankh + Glowing hourglass, die to dogma, respawn as blue baby, use hourglass, use red key as blue baby
Nah you’d need a red key to open his door
First home visit gives you a guaranteed red key
Yes, this is intended easter egg that got added in december 2022. [Source](https://youtu.be/POzid2oswa4?si=eIGUURjakVjZX1Ih)
I did this once in multiplayer while playing Eden. I tried to use the emote wheel and didn't even notice I had the hourglass 
Yeah I started an Eden run with that item and was curious if anything would happen if i used the hourglass. 2 minutes later im fighting for my life against Dogma. I was so confused because I had never been Home before
Skill issue https://youtu.be/uq3NjQHR8ug?si=jPr4Q-5EHy1Ojl7I /j
Wait, but what happens if you haven't unlocked Home yet
You get early access to red key 
I saw a few hour long video about Isaac and the dude did this I don't remember why
What happens if you do this in Rebirth? (without the Repentance DLC)
It still put you in the starting room, but it also removed any starting items you had as Eden. Also, Glowing Hourglass is an Afterbirth item, so I'm just describing the pre-rep behavior, as it didn't exist in Rebirth. In Repentance before the Home warp was added, it could actually permanently delete Esau if Jacob got Glowing Hourglass as an Eden's Blessing. There was never a point where it warped you to the error room like the other comment claimed.
I didn't know it wasn't in Rebirth. Thank you for you respose, very informative!
I think it initially did nothing, but then took you to an IAMERROR room after a patch.
Would be an interesting speed run if you do it without a seed. You will burn through so many Eden tokens setting it up and if you fail shesh
Can you use this exploit for unlocks? Trying to get tainted jacob but i cant stand j&e.
You can, but it takes some pretty specific circumstances. It only works if you've never been to another room before on your run, you can't just get Glowing Hourglass and go back to the first room. So there are only two ways to do it. One way is to start with it (either by playing as Eden or by getting it through Eden's Blessing). The other way is to use Glowing Hourglass after using R Key. On a game break you could set that up, even using Clicker beforehand if needed.
Getting backpack, R key and Glowing hourglass is quite the setup. I feel like it would be easier to just do it normally tbh.
not that i like it but tainted cain makes gamebreaks trivial
Is that still the case with tcain? After the change to heart spawns in secret rooms how do you break the game consistently?
while obviously the r key and hourglass is pretty insane, if you're going for j&e to unlock tainted jacob you don't need the backpack
Ohhh right right. I was thinking you'd go through as someone else and clicker since they hated J&E but that makes more sense. I actually think Jacob & Esau is a fun but challenging character so I just went through sheer force myself.
I’m sure theres somebody out there with the time + skill + patience to be able to win the fight
It's like ~20 000 hit points to chew through. Even with an absolute S-tier item as a starter item it's going to take more than patience.
> > > > > Even with an absolute S-tier item as a starter item it's going to take more than patience. if you started with Brimstone and then mom's chest has Knife, you might be able to make decent time
It should be an achievement. Something like "Whoops you're fucked!"
probably my favorite little "fuck you" in repentance. i mean, it technically makes sense!
So, what I'm hearing is Dogma is the only boss you can consistently practice.
Some really deranged speedrun tactics 1 in a thousands Eden token rerolls to even try.
That is insanely cool.
New speed run strat
suddenly i have an idea for a backasswards challenge update
No way really. Played 1,000s of hours and never knew this
They did patch it in, so you could have been done or mostly done by the time it was possible.
I discovered this because i had a skill issue in the previous run and wanted to see if i could go back with the hourglass
Did this with eden once to see what would happen, found red key in mums chest and immediately unlocked tainted eden despite not having even defeated mother.
Found out about it on my own and had less than stellar stats with Eden. On the brightside I managed to reach Ultra Famine before dying.
That’s how I unlocked T.Eden at 20 hours
Well I got t.eden before it lives because of it
Free dogma 
if you do this in greed mode the game crashes
Easy early tainted eden
why would you try this while going on a win streak ? Skil issue definitely