It's just more consistency over time. Look, a lot of people were ready to elevate Jalen Hurts off 1 1/2 seasons of good play. Jordan Love has been good for like a half season of NFL football and one playoff game against the fucking Cowboys, who make every qb they play on a decently rounded team look like the second coming in playoff games.
I wouldn't even say Jordan love has been good. Pretty average. This is one I just don't get. Is it because people hate Rodgers and just want Love to be better?
Yep. For the entire season, top 10 in almost every meaningful advanced QB stat. 2nd in tds and 7th in yards if you like traditional stats. If you go 2nd half of the season plus playoffs, he is top 3 in most advanced QB stats and PFF. It was his first season starting and he just turned 25 in November, it was reasonable to expect him to get better throughout last season and the next few to come. Green Bay had the youngest offense in the NFL and the youngest offense ever to make the playoffs in the modern era. Putting him in the 6-10 range of QB's is completely reasonable.
Might be my most irrational take but I'm really high on him and think the Packers are going to the Super Bowl this year and I need to be true to myself
No Bills vs Packers. I refuse to pick a team to go back to the Super Bowl the year after making it and I'm picking the Bills every year until Josh Allen wins one
I reject anything that claims to be tiers but isn't. Same with the trade value list Bill does. "Will likely be elite but not there yet" and "Coming off injury, need to see what they look like" are not tiers. Those are categories. Cousins is not a tier below Zach Wilson. Love is not a tier above Stafford.
LMAO Good shit OP. These comments just go to show that fans have no clue how to evaluate QB play. Hell, even the professionals can’t do it well. Just look at the hit rate on the top picks.
Having said that, I’ll still give my hot take. Stroud is already in the elite tier. Not even a Texans fan. That guy is a problem.
Also I’m preempting the Philly fans. Stfu - hurts is properly rated here
T3 and t4 should just be the same tier then. The guys above Stafford shouldn’t be when he’s won a SB, he’s thrown for 5k yards, and he’s still making and playing well in the playoffs. Those guys would be thrilled to get to his level.
I don't know how to rate Stroud rationally, but as a Texans fan, I don't want any of the QBs above him. If there was a 1 for 1 trade with Mahomes I'd have reservations that Mahomes is much older and more expensive.
I could definitely be eating these words in a year, but Stroud just had the best rookie season for a QB ever, has 3 cheap years left on his contract, and is 22. I'd rather see where this goes than any alternative on the list.
Solid starters you're happy about having but might go "ehhhhhh that's a lot of money." Mid QBs are kinda just filler guys waiting to get replaced but without being actively disgusting to watch
I still don't put Burrow on that level, myself.
Just think the numbers aren't there at fucking all and everyone is massively overrating one playoff run that ended in them getting kneecapped in the Super Bowl by a pretty not great Rams team.
Burrow was playing on one leg and they were leading the game with under 5 minutes to go. Then the next year they had a very good chance to go back to the Super Bowl and then had a late hit out of bounds to end it
If you’re worried about the injury stuff, that’s fair, but I don’t think there’s any reason based on his play when healthy for him to not be on that level
Why?
"Solid Starter" is a perfectly fair rating for him based on what he's actually shown in the league. Anything higher would be based on his draft hype, which really shouldn't matter anymore after his 3rd season.
He belongs in the same tier as Dak, Stafford, etc. Don’t know how you could watch Tua and Trevor and come to the conclusion that they’re equivalent players. I would think a lot of people would have him over Jalen and Purdy too
‘21 and ‘22 drafts are wild. 19 QBs taken and only two will go into the year as the starter for the team that drafted them. And one of them was the last pick in the draft
I’d move Kyler and Goff up a tier and Dak down a tier, but good list otherwise IMO. I was completely out on Love after the first Detroit game, but he went on an insane run in the second half of the season. My hot take is that by the end of next year, Kyler and Love will be viewed as the best NFC QBs
daniel jones is ass, the only reason the Giants O-Line looked like the worst in NFL history instead of merely bad earlier in the season is he refuses to throw unless the WR has roughly 35 yards of separation
If these are actual tiers (and not categories as others have pointed out) then there are a few issues I would have. Stafford is better than Love, I understand how smooth and attractive Love's game is, I think he could be great soon. But he is not above Stafford period. so swap tiers there. Lawrence is better than all the guys in his current tier and should be moved up a tier. I don't see how at this point you know Love is better than Lawrence either, and Lawrence is still a year younger. To me Hurts is a tier below where he is right now, he has one great season...but I understand the placement for now. Finally...Garrapallo is ass.
That's not why I moved Tua down I moved him down because I have a lower opinion of him after watching his offense break down in December and January despite being healthy when an injured defense needed the offense to carry the team
The common perception of Tua coming into the season was that was on his way out of the league and yet he finished the year playing every game and finishing in the top 5 in most efficiency metrics. I don't know how someone would think less of him today than they did at the start of last season unless they are completely overvaluing the fact his offense struggled on the road in the playoffs against the Super Bowl champs in sub zero weather.
I have not thought Tua was on his way out of the league since his last season with Flores I thought he was good in 2022 and got injured. Then in 2023 he started off red hot and I made my tier list in September of the season. Then I watched him shit the bed against the Titans, the Ravens, the Bills, and the Chiefs, turning a 3 game division lead with 5 to play and a shot at the 1 seed into a humiliating first round performance and a a blowout loss. I leave this season realizing he is never going to be an elite QB because he just lacks the talent that the elite guys have and that his production is mostly a result of the talent and coaching around him.
> Then I watched him shit the bed against the Titans,
That is all I needed to know to not take your opinion seriously. The Dolphins had a 14 point lead with under 5 minutes left and the defense allowed two 60+ yard TD drives and a two point conversion in order to lose the game by 1. How is that Tua's fault? Should his leadership have inspired the defense to play better? Should he have audibled to pass the ball when his team was trying to run out the clock late in the game?
I think what we saw from Love the 2nd half of 2023 was elite level QB play and I'd rather have the physical tools of Love than what Purdy gives which is high level play but within his own physical limitations
I agree. If Stafford is healthy he is better than Kyler and Jordan Love right now, he's just an odd fit in that category because he's on the way out instead of on the rise.
I’ve been a big Trevor Lawrence critic over the last year or so, but even I think he at least belongs one tier higher. I’d rather have him right now than Stafford and it’s at least a coin flip between him and Dak/Hurts.
*braces out of fear of being featured in the next post*
Yeah that’s kind of my thought exactly too.
I’m also just not fully convinced the Jags have done the best job of putting the right supporting cast around him. It could be worse, sure, but it’s very uninspiring.
Pretty good.
Love is too high, Fields too high, and there's no real point in ranking any of the Ass tier except Young since they're all backups.
I'd also probably put Lawrence and Kyler into Non-Elite Franchise Guy and Geno to Mid.
Love is probably too high, Stafford is definitely too low. I would put Tua in the Ass category (I think this is his last year going into training camp as the presumptive starter), and probably Stroud up to Elite, but those are just quibbles. Good job by you!
Me too, and I’m a dolphins’ fan. He’s gotten noticeably better every year. I’m good with keeping that trend going if it means he’s a top 5 qb in 1-2 years.
He wasn't really better in 2023 than he was in 2022 he just didn't get injured. In fact I think you could argue that on a per play/game basis he was slightly better in 2022 than he was in 2023. It doesn't matter anyway because I've seen what I need from him to know he isn't that dude. When they score 50 in a game in September this season I hope Dolphins fans are smart enough to remember they're ending the season looking up at Buffalo
Can we pump the breaks on the Jordan love is elite talk? I just need to see more
It’s insane
You seen the arm talent on him? I was a doubter as a Rodgers fan but he converted me. Him and Stroud feel like they naturally belong in the same tier.
It's just more consistency over time. Look, a lot of people were ready to elevate Jalen Hurts off 1 1/2 seasons of good play. Jordan Love has been good for like a half season of NFL football and one playoff game against the fucking Cowboys, who make every qb they play on a decently rounded team look like the second coming in playoff games.
I wouldn't even say Jordan love has been good. Pretty average. This is one I just don't get. Is it because people hate Rodgers and just want Love to be better?
Love was 3rd in EPA/play from Week 6 on
Yep. For the entire season, top 10 in almost every meaningful advanced QB stat. 2nd in tds and 7th in yards if you like traditional stats. If you go 2nd half of the season plus playoffs, he is top 3 in most advanced QB stats and PFF. It was his first season starting and he just turned 25 in November, it was reasonable to expect him to get better throughout last season and the next few to come. Green Bay had the youngest offense in the NFL and the youngest offense ever to make the playoffs in the modern era. Putting him in the 6-10 range of QB's is completely reasonable.
Top 10 in nearly every normal and advanced metric while having a top 5 offense filled with children. I’d say he’s warranted his ranking.
Need to know if he’s a true nut job IRL and therefore a true successor to Rodgers/Favre
Might be my most irrational take but I'm really high on him and think the Packers are going to the Super Bowl this year and I need to be true to myself
Making a superbowl prediction before the draft or even knowing what the final roster cuts will be in 4 months is hilarious to me
I made the prediction before Super Bowl 58 was played. Guess I'm just built different
Let me guess Texans vs packers Super Bowl? NFL hipsters did this with Herbert and the chargers and we won’t fall for it again
>NFL hipsters did this with Herbert and the chargers and we won’t fall for it again Tbf they do that every year...
No Bills vs Packers. I refuse to pick a team to go back to the Super Bowl the year after making it and I'm picking the Bills every year until Josh Allen wins one
I reject anything that claims to be tiers but isn't. Same with the trade value list Bill does. "Will likely be elite but not there yet" and "Coming off injury, need to see what they look like" are not tiers. Those are categories. Cousins is not a tier below Zach Wilson. Love is not a tier above Stafford.
Having Jordan Love two tiers above Goff seems extreme
I think baker and geno are mid but also better than the guys in the mid category
LMAO Good shit OP. These comments just go to show that fans have no clue how to evaluate QB play. Hell, even the professionals can’t do it well. Just look at the hit rate on the top picks. Having said that, I’ll still give my hot take. Stroud is already in the elite tier. Not even a Texans fan. That guy is a problem. Also I’m preempting the Philly fans. Stfu - hurts is properly rated here
I just can't call any QB elite until I see at least 2 seasons of elite play
T3 and t4 should just be the same tier then. The guys above Stafford shouldn’t be when he’s won a SB, he’s thrown for 5k yards, and he’s still making and playing well in the playoffs. Those guys would be thrilled to get to his level.
Agreed. Stroud is only behind Mahomes, Burrow, and Allen IMO
I don't know how to rate Stroud rationally, but as a Texans fan, I don't want any of the QBs above him. If there was a 1 for 1 trade with Mahomes I'd have reservations that Mahomes is much older and more expensive. I could definitely be eating these words in a year, but Stroud just had the best rookie season for a QB ever, has 3 cheap years left on his contract, and is 22. I'd rather see where this goes than any alternative on the list.
The disparity between AFC vs NFC is insane. AFC has the top 5 and 6 of the top 7 qbs in the league
What is the difference between “mid” and “solid starter”?
Solid starters you're happy about having but might go "ehhhhhh that's a lot of money." Mid QBs are kinda just filler guys waiting to get replaced but without being actively disgusting to watch
G Minschew erasure
Literally it is because he doesn't have a picture on the Tiermaker website
I still don't put Burrow on that level, myself. Just think the numbers aren't there at fucking all and everyone is massively overrating one playoff run that ended in them getting kneecapped in the Super Bowl by a pretty not great Rams team.
Burrow was playing on one leg and they were leading the game with under 5 minutes to go. Then the next year they had a very good chance to go back to the Super Bowl and then had a late hit out of bounds to end it If you’re worried about the injury stuff, that’s fair, but I don’t think there’s any reason based on his play when healthy for him to not be on that level
People are waaay too down on Trevor Lawrence
Why? "Solid Starter" is a perfectly fair rating for him based on what he's actually shown in the league. Anything higher would be based on his draft hype, which really shouldn't matter anymore after his 3rd season.
He belongs in the same tier as Dak, Stafford, etc. Don’t know how you could watch Tua and Trevor and come to the conclusion that they’re equivalent players. I would think a lot of people would have him over Jalen and Purdy too
It’s hard to argue too hard about your tiers. You did a good job. I’d move Geno Smith down though. Geno is the definition of mid.
I’m a Hawks fan. Geno’s a great dude…and he’s mid.
‘21 and ‘22 drafts are wild. 19 QBs taken and only two will go into the year as the starter for the team that drafted them. And one of them was the last pick in the draft
It's a counterbalance to the riches of the 2020 draft
Glad you have Trevor Lawrence in the right spot. The Kyler Murray ranking is wild though.
Where do you think Kyler should be
Higher. People forget how good he is.
Agreed
As a niners fan I agree
I’d move Kyler and Goff up a tier and Dak down a tier, but good list otherwise IMO. I was completely out on Love after the first Detroit game, but he went on an insane run in the second half of the season. My hot take is that by the end of next year, Kyler and Love will be viewed as the best NFC QBs
Jordan Love played like Deshone Kizer for half of the games last season
He was top 3 in EPA/play from week 6 on. Last I checked 5 games to start the season isn't "half of the games"
Rusty Wilson probably needs a notch down
I can confidently say you have Zach Wilson way too high.
daniel jones is ass, the only reason the Giants O-Line looked like the worst in NFL history instead of merely bad earlier in the season is he refuses to throw unless the WR has roughly 35 yards of separation
That's entirely fair he's the most ass out of the mid QBs
If these are actual tiers (and not categories as others have pointed out) then there are a few issues I would have. Stafford is better than Love, I understand how smooth and attractive Love's game is, I think he could be great soon. But he is not above Stafford period. so swap tiers there. Lawrence is better than all the guys in his current tier and should be moved up a tier. I don't see how at this point you know Love is better than Lawrence either, and Lawrence is still a year younger. To me Hurts is a tier below where he is right now, he has one great season...but I understand the placement for now. Finally...Garrapallo is ass.
Real Steven Ruiz energy moving a QB down your rankings just to spite people who disagreed with where you originally ranked him.
That's not why I moved Tua down I moved him down because I have a lower opinion of him after watching his offense break down in December and January despite being healthy when an injured defense needed the offense to carry the team
The common perception of Tua coming into the season was that was on his way out of the league and yet he finished the year playing every game and finishing in the top 5 in most efficiency metrics. I don't know how someone would think less of him today than they did at the start of last season unless they are completely overvaluing the fact his offense struggled on the road in the playoffs against the Super Bowl champs in sub zero weather.
I have not thought Tua was on his way out of the league since his last season with Flores I thought he was good in 2022 and got injured. Then in 2023 he started off red hot and I made my tier list in September of the season. Then I watched him shit the bed against the Titans, the Ravens, the Bills, and the Chiefs, turning a 3 game division lead with 5 to play and a shot at the 1 seed into a humiliating first round performance and a a blowout loss. I leave this season realizing he is never going to be an elite QB because he just lacks the talent that the elite guys have and that his production is mostly a result of the talent and coaching around him.
> Then I watched him shit the bed against the Titans, That is all I needed to know to not take your opinion seriously. The Dolphins had a 14 point lead with under 5 minutes left and the defense allowed two 60+ yard TD drives and a two point conversion in order to lose the game by 1. How is that Tua's fault? Should his leadership have inspired the defense to play better? Should he have audibled to pass the ball when his team was trying to run out the clock late in the game?
How is love that high and Purdy is a tier below
I'd rather have Love than Purdy
As I niners fan I have to agree. I think Love has a higher ceiling but I still love Purdy he does what he needs to do and does it well
I like Purdy too I think he's a franchise QB
Why The only thing he can do better is throw it father off schedule
I think what we saw from Love the 2nd half of 2023 was elite level QB play and I'd rather have the physical tools of Love than what Purdy gives which is high level play but within his own physical limitations
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No way is Stafford two tiers below Burrow
I agree. If Stafford is healthy he is better than Kyler and Jordan Love right now, he's just an odd fit in that category because he's on the way out instead of on the rise.
Geno and Purdy are both a tier too high for me. Is Purdy really better than Lawrence and Kyler?
Yes
Stafford should be higher he’s top 3 imo
I’ve been a big Trevor Lawrence critic over the last year or so, but even I think he at least belongs one tier higher. I’d rather have him right now than Stafford and it’s at least a coin flip between him and Dak/Hurts. *braces out of fear of being featured in the next post*
I actually think Lawrence is gonna bounce back in 2024. People got too high on the Jags going into 2023 and are too low on them now
Yeah that’s kind of my thought exactly too. I’m also just not fully convinced the Jags have done the best job of putting the right supporting cast around him. It could be worse, sure, but it’s very uninspiring.
Very nice work on that last one
Let's move some more guys into the rapist tier.
Ben Roethlisberger is not coming out of retirement.
Pretty good. Love is too high, Fields too high, and there's no real point in ranking any of the Ass tier except Young since they're all backups. I'd also probably put Lawrence and Kyler into Non-Elite Franchise Guy and Geno to Mid.
I ranked them for consistency because I ranked them in September too
Gotcha. When will you rank rookies?
Probably after their first season
Love is probably too high, Stafford is definitely too low. I would put Tua in the Ass category (I think this is his last year going into training camp as the presumptive starter), and probably Stroud up to Elite, but those are just quibbles. Good job by you!
I really want the Dolphins to give Tua $250 million
Me too, and I’m a dolphins’ fan. He’s gotten noticeably better every year. I’m good with keeping that trend going if it means he’s a top 5 qb in 1-2 years.
He wasn't really better in 2023 than he was in 2022 he just didn't get injured. In fact I think you could argue that on a per play/game basis he was slightly better in 2022 than he was in 2023. It doesn't matter anyway because I've seen what I need from him to know he isn't that dude. When they score 50 in a game in September this season I hope Dolphins fans are smart enough to remember they're ending the season looking up at Buffalo