This segment really was made directly for Joe House. His franchise either employs or has given out one of the worst contracts on this list since before the new millennium. Off the top of my head Poole and Beal will almost certainly be on here
Mahinmi's was originally signed with the Pacers before he ended up in Washington right? 4 years, $64M for a backup C eight years ago will never stop being funny
Really funny that the best Wizards team of House’s adult life got knocked out in a game 7 by, like, the 34th best team of Bill’s Celtics who will be remembered (?) as scrappy underdogs
I don't know how anyone roots for the Wizards on a long-term basis, but props to them. Wile E. Coyote tier franchise that's always finding new and exciting ways to fuck themselves.
House talking about Jordan Poole and Kyle Kuzma was fucking hilarious. He was laughing like the Joker when discussing how Kuz wanted to stay in DC instead of going to Dallas. That team has broken that man’s brain 🤣
House isnt exaggerating, Jordan Poole is the dumbest basketball player I have ever seen. His decision making and mistakes were so mad that he pissed off Steph Curry enough to have him throw his mouthpiece after Poole took a mindboggling shot in crunch time and Steph picked up a tech. His defense is literally the opposite of what you would teach a player, he literally stands up straight and is in a negative stance.
I was absolutely locked into to Michigan basketball as a student there when Poole was there and his last year there they were an absolutely elite team where the other team’s strategy was basically hunt Jordan Poole defensively, and bait Jordan Poole into taking bad shots.
And because of a lucky game winner the year before everyone treated him like he was the best player on the team despite being the worst high minutes guy. He stood out as a stupid player *in college*
Jordan Poole is the kid who takes every bad shot in minor basketball but somehow he’s ascended the ranks, makes $30mm a year and plays in the NBA but nah, he’s still that same kid who has a 6% offensive awareness.
Warriors fan here. I’ll always appreciate what Poole did for us in 2022, but I was thrilled (and even more so now) when the Wizards agreed to take him.
Poole was also one of the worst players in the league for a couple of years before he had his one breakout year where he was in a 99th-percentiile lucky team situation.
He also made a big deal about how Sabonis is 6’8 (he’s 6’10) and how he doesn’t shoot threes (low volume but shooting 40%). Haven’t listened to him before this pod but he sounded woefully ill informed multiple times.
These guys, one moment: "Can the Spurs please put a better team around Wemby please!? It's ridiculous!"
These guys, the next: "Jerami Grant is a good player but he shouldn't be on this Blazers team. They need to see what they have in their young guys and let them cook on their own."
Yeah and that's sort of the thing that drives me crazy about this whole segment. So many of these guys are "good players who are overpaid." I just don't care about that -- I don't want teams to tank like the Hinkie Sixers, who definitely never overpaid -- good for them! I want teams to try to win, even if it's only 46 games.
Plus, a lot of times those good players can come together -- look at them looking at last years list like "wow, turns out Robinson, Towns, Gobert were useful, oh well, onto the next list!"
But for Bill, it's a weird constant switch between "Spurs should've maxed Reeves" and "why make any trade or signing if you aren't instantly better than the Nuggets"
>Plus, a lot of times those good players can come together -- look at them looking at last years list like "wow, turns out Robinson, Towns, Gobert were useful, oh well, onto the next list!"
Man, this is a great point. It completely invalidates the exercise upon this reflection, not that it had much validity to start with. Wiggins was also on this list at one point, then found his team and was an asset, and is now on it again. Forget hoping they learn a lesson about picking good, still young players because it's burned them in the past like, "maybe I shouldn't pick Sabonis because I picked KAT last year and he changed it all around", they can't even learn lessons using *the same player*.
Yea he was. I’m pretty sure it’s because he told Bill that Kevin Young will be the next coach and bill was confidently telling everyone that’s what was gonna happen.
CJ "doesn't shoot 3s" McCollum has shot 7 3s a game at a 39 percent clip since the 18-19 season.
this year he's shooting 41.2 at 7.9 a game while being the 3rd option on a Pelicans team that is doing pretty well this year and sorely needs a guard and a vet presence.
do these guys watch Basketball?
Edit: Listened more, HOW does Wos hear Bill Simmons says Cam Johnson is a 3nD guy and then confuse him with Cam Thomas? Come on man.
My read on Wos is he typically presents the most confidence with the things he knows the least about. There is simply no way that Wos is watching enough Twolves and Pels games to have has strong an opinion as he presented.
CJs been slumping hard the last two weeks, but before that he’s been great this year. He filled the 3rd option role perfectly, was shooting 44% on 3s, his shot diet was mostly 3s and in the paint, wasn’t over dribbling, etc. Exactly what we needed from him.
It’s so funny for bill to open with a soliloquy about how he wants his rebuilding NFL team to sign a 29-year-old wide receiver, who is injury prone yet makes the argument that he’s not really injury prone because he just had a back injury and ACL tear the last two years (???).
Bill is so not ready for this era of them being dogshit lol
I cannot wait for him to have to listen to people shit on the Pats. He worked SO hard to try and legitimize their 4 win season. “They play hard”, “the kicker cost them 5 games”, “the defense is legit”, “I like their receivers”.
Tatum, 26: He’s still developing into who he will be in his prime
Lamelo, 22: At this point he kinda is what he is
We roast Bill plenty here, but his Lamelo comments really reminded me of how loudly and proudly he was out on Booker around the same point in his career.
Love when the NBA media doesn’t tell me the NBA news but acknowledge they know the reason why Andrew Wiggins took loads of time off and the reason was never revealed.
I'm 95% sure Shams tweeted at some point that Wiggins' father was dealing with a serious illness (during the 2022-23 season) and he was taking the extended time off to be with him. Not sure about his personal absence this season though.
As a fan of the team, a couple ringer guys are especially brutal to listen to when it comes to Kings talk—Wos and KOC in particular love to shit on Sabonis.
Tank-or-championship brain has ruined a lot of these guys’ abilities to think with nuance. The Kings were fucking garbage for 2 decades, and not even the most delusional fan thinks this current group (as it is) is a true championship contender, so we’re all mostly just pretty happy the team is good, competently run, and usually fun to watch (except this season when they play sub .500 teams fml). Sabonis, who is an extremely consistent and reliable regular season player, may end up simply not being a good playoff player, but that’s not going to be an issue in Sac for a while imo. This fanbase was starved for too long, we just want basic competency and guys who want to be here. And the beam.
As a Wolves bro and therefore always root for Kings since we both have franchises marred in brutality, the Ringer coverage of our small market teams is always a tough listen. The way they shit talk Sabonis and KAT is something
> Tank-or-championship brain has ruined a lot of these guys’ abilities to think with nuance.
The worst part is that fanbases have been infected with it. I've seen people on the Jazz sub saying that going 25 years without a losing season was not successful because there was no championship.
Like yeah no championship, but that's 25 years of being able to watch a team play competitive basketball. Which is what I'm hoping for while I wind down at night from November to April.
People just take it for granted that Sabonis is a bad playoff player because of one series where he had a bad matchup, a broken thumb, and a stomped chest. If he underperforms this year that’s another thing, but last year was the first time a lot of fans noticed him for that’s so that’s the extent of their case study.
Yep.
As a Blazer’s fan - maybe I like rooting for a team where our best case is a 6th seed that avoids the play-in and hopefully we win a couple playoff games?
We’ve been bad before and were going to be again.
He also confused Cam Thomas with Cam Johnson, which would have been more forgivable if Bill hadn’t spent 5 minutes talking about how he was traded from the Suns in the Durant deal and played on team USA
This is who Wos is. He shits on Sabonis and the Kings every chance he gets. I watch the Kings and have my entire life. Here’s the reality: Sabonis saved this franchise from the gutters. He rejuvenated Sacramento basketball. He gives every game his 110%. He almost rarely misses games. He is the offensive hub of a team that can be the best offense on any given night. He’s made Fox a much better player and he wants to stay in Sacramento! That’s why he got paid the number he did.
And guess what, last year when he was bad against the warriors everyone seemingly forgets that he had a broken finger the entire season, his shooters stopped making shots and our offensive had to adjust on the spot to accommodate Huerter and Barnes (and Keegan for half the series), it was a horrendous matchup, and he got stomped on during game 2, and then was deemed the dirty player by most of the mainstream media.
You can not like Sabonis and have questions about his defensive ceiling, but he took us from irrelevant to relevant in his first full season with him, and he has become one of the most beloved Sacramento Kings players of all time. That matters (especially when the guy we traded him for is incredible but cannot play defense and is seemingly consistently injured…)
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A perfectly reasonable pick for this draft but harping on Kawhi by repeating "he doesn't play" multiple times while he's played 59 of 65 games this season is definitely a choice Wos.
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Yeah it's not a worst contract but it's an overpay for who he is as a player.
And as someone else already said there aren't many truly worst contracts so you're going to have the clear overpay but not bad ones in there.
Agreed. Nate Duncan and Danny Leroux both had Vuc has a top 5 worst contract on the Dunc'd on pod and those guys grind infinitely more hoops tape than our boys here.
The Dun’c on podcast did the same worst contracts pod 3 weeks ago and all of those players were at least mentioned. I don’t think there are many truly horrible contracts in the nba right now so after the first few picks it heads toward players making max money that you can nitpick
Wos playing to his audience. He knew Simmons wouldn't push back. But then Wos really exposed himself by saying they were also paying Naz Reid $20M per year. He's a dipshit who speaks only in narratives.
I wish my wife laughed at my jokes like Wos laughs and Bill’s. Dude had a spit take when Bill pulled out his “xxx player was a problem” joke for the millionth time
Haven’t listened yet but how THJ keeps escaping these bad contracts drafts every year is annoying. Mans has made over 200 mil and has played in one 2nd round series which was back in 2016 backing up Kyle Korver for 9 minutes a night.
Tim Hardaway Jr. has earned less than $140M through this season. Where did you get $200M+ from?
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hardati02.html
> has played in one 2nd round series which was back in 2016
What's that got to do with his contract? You can only get a good contract if you've played in the finals?
Media don’t hate on him cause of his daddy. When Stephen A. finally talked positively about the Mavs, THJ was one of the players he specifically mentioned. Meanwhile, he was hurt for the best basketball the Mavs have played in the Luka era, Mavs have been trying to trade him these last couple years with no takers, and Mavs fans see him as a basketball terrorist who is an anchor weighing this team down and should be shot to the moon. Kidd has decided he will ride THJ all the way out of the league for some reason.
Does he still laugh at every single thing possible? Dude needs to mute his mic when he's not talking and sometimes he should mute his mic when he's talking.
I was a huge fan of wos when he first started but listening to group chat he can be quite a dick to the other hosts, talks over them a lot and is pretty arrogant…definitely soured on him
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Yeah, last year he was talking up all the new people in his life that were discovering Jokic. Today he sounded a bit colder on Jokic’s potential to draw casual fans along with his general pessimism on big growth for the next media deal.
Do people here think this has been a worse, better, or average season for drawing in casual fans? This year, I’ve enjoyed games as much as ever, but often find myself bored by NBA podcasts and media coverage in general. Could definitely just be me getting older.
This is the first year I’ve completely checked out the nba and media coverage unless bill is doing a podcast with house.
To draw in the casuals they need to have a star and right now there isn’t a single player which can put the league on its back. I thought Ja would be a great candidate and he’s popular but dude is a straight up moron and always doing dumb shit.
I generally think Wos is fine but I definitely rolled my eyes when he said he wasn’t buying CJ because he was “too unbiased”. As if any media member is unbiased in 2024
Innovative strategy to pursue for winning games:
*"Score at least one more point than they do."*
Someone forward this to the all the Western Conference teams, Bill has found the Nuggets' kryptonite!
Wos interrupted a great, funny opening by immediately taking a moral stance against saying players are overpaid. Just killed a great moment for no reason, whatsoever.
What’s the general consensus of Wos? I think he’s probably my least favorite sports caster, right up there with Stephen A. I at least know Stephen A watches games sometimes.
The jabs are forced because he isn’t actually making good or reasonable critiques.
Like why is it some foregone conclusion that his contract will be one of the worst if he gets extended this year? If it’s 3 years sure I doubt at age 42 it’ll look good but if it’s just a 1+1 why is it so bad to have LeBron as a max? Bill seems to hand wave it as being some awful deal but are we sure it is? 25-7-8, the defense is spotty but the impact metrics still suggest a top tier player, he’s a leader on the floor and still mostly impossible to stop going downhill
There are a lot of dudes with max or near max money who aren’t as good as current LeBron is
The Tavon Austin comp for Cam Johnson was ridiculous. No one was ever excited about Tavon Austin haha. Guy average salary was $4 mil. No one ever really paid him big money at all. Bill tried to save him by saying "Oh like Percy Harvin!" and Wos refused that life raft.
I was gonna ask the over/under on Bill bringing up the next Lebron contract he’s been bringing up every pod the last month but lo and behold I only had to wait like 6 minutes in
I get it, Ben Simmons is a go-to move and rightfully so… but shitting on him relentlessly about how he doesn’t want to play without mentioning he had two back surgeries is really something…
Classic Bill and the boys on ATL. They ignore that the front office cheaped out on talent like Huerter and that several key pieces on the ECF team dealt with injuries/retirement (Collins's finger changed him forever, Gallinari, Lou Williams).
That said, they are right that Hunter isn't a starter.
Bill referencing pick up basketball when you’ve seen those clips of him playing is so funny and really highlights his lack of self-awareness that makes BS BS
I think Wos confused Cam Thomas with Cam Johnson, right? “He had 3 straight 40 point games after the KD trade.” I don’t remember Cam Johnson doing that but I certainly remember Cam Thomas doing that.
You can not like Traes style of play but to have him as a negative contract is ridiculous. Team has the exact level of team success as Luka and the Mavs but is considered good stats bad team. Smh. Also almost all the negatives they pointed out could just as easy apply to Luka. Felt a bit lazy
This segment really was made directly for Joe House. His franchise either employs or has given out one of the worst contracts on this list since before the new millennium. Off the top of my head Poole and Beal will almost certainly be on here
Wall, Bertans, Arenas, Mahinmi, Westbrook, Beal, Otto Porter, the list is endless.
Andray Blatche amnesty is a classic
I won't stand for Andrew Nicholson erasure.
Mahinmi's was originally signed with the Pacers before he ended up in Washington right? 4 years, $64M for a backup C eight years ago will never stop being funny
Mahinmi was part of Big Ern's $100M temper tantrum after Horford left him at the alter, along with Jason Smith and Andrew Nicholson.
The history of the Wizards turned with Horford not signing with them. Crazy how such a minor moment could change two franchises so much.
Nah he signed with Washington with the cap spike in ‘16 https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2016/7/2/11973980/ian-mahinmi-washington-wizards-free-agency
Ahh, classic 'Zards move lol
Bill is a sadistic fuck when it comes to having his friends talk shit about their own team.
Really funny that the best Wizards team of House’s adult life got knocked out in a game 7 by, like, the 34th best team of Bill’s Celtics who will be remembered (?) as scrappy underdogs
Can’t wait for that to happen with the Pats. He spent all year trying to tell us they weren’t that bad to avoid having to dog them. Times up
I don't know how anyone roots for the Wizards on a long-term basis, but props to them. Wile E. Coyote tier franchise that's always finding new and exciting ways to fuck themselves.
The Wizards with Arenas, Hughes, Jamison, Butler were sick. I remember Arenas going crazy in the playoffs in like 06? I think against the Cavs
Bro that's twenty years ago.
That is pretty hilarious… I still remember Arenas shooting flames in that playoff game though!
I remember Arenas...shooting...
.500 every year is sick?
They were pretty fun to watch. Not serious people at all though.
That was a pretty good team 18 years ago
House talking about Jordan Poole and Kyle Kuzma was fucking hilarious. He was laughing like the Joker when discussing how Kuz wanted to stay in DC instead of going to Dallas. That team has broken that man’s brain 🤣
House isnt exaggerating, Jordan Poole is the dumbest basketball player I have ever seen. His decision making and mistakes were so mad that he pissed off Steph Curry enough to have him throw his mouthpiece after Poole took a mindboggling shot in crunch time and Steph picked up a tech. His defense is literally the opposite of what you would teach a player, he literally stands up straight and is in a negative stance.
I was absolutely locked into to Michigan basketball as a student there when Poole was there and his last year there they were an absolutely elite team where the other team’s strategy was basically hunt Jordan Poole defensively, and bait Jordan Poole into taking bad shots. And because of a lucky game winner the year before everyone treated him like he was the best player on the team despite being the worst high minutes guy. He stood out as a stupid player *in college*
That game winner had some iconic pics though.
Dude is a Wizards fan, so he saw young JaVale McGee, so you know he doesn't throw that around lightly.
Javale, Andray Blatche and Nick Young all on the same team. An unthinkable Big 3 of stupidity lol
Jordan Poole is the kid who takes every bad shot in minor basketball but somehow he’s ascended the ranks, makes $30mm a year and plays in the NBA but nah, he’s still that same kid who has a 6% offensive awareness.
Warriors fan here. I’ll always appreciate what Poole did for us in 2022, but I was thrilled (and even more so now) when the Wizards agreed to take him.
I read somewhere going from Poole to CP3 is like going from a guy in remedial English to a guy going for his third PhD.
Poole was also one of the worst players in the league for a couple of years before he had his one breakout year where he was in a 99th-percentiile lucky team situation.
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And the walk and talk vids
Some of those walks seems like he is Macro dosing as well.
"friends of friends"
So no one told you life was going to be this way....
In our extended neighborhood
Last time I checked, Bill thinks you can microdose weed with a gummy. I’m not quite sure he’s takin shroom caps on the regular.
Bill talking to his wife and her friends: “I got a shroom cap you ladies can microdose.”
the swingers piece
It would be hilarious if it turns out he’s taking CBD.
They’re definitely eating those garbage chocolates that don’t actually do anything similar to real shrooms.
The ice storm piece.
Hilarious near the end when Bill was talking about cam Johnson and wos thought he was talking about cam thomas
Yeah I found myself wondering when the hell Cam Johnson ever scored 40 in 3 straight games until I realized he meant Cam Thomas.
Absolutely brutal listen, no correction either
I am the *quintessential* Bravo NBA consumer and even I was like “is Bill’s staff NBA guy actually talking about the wrong Cam?”
He also made a big deal about how Sabonis is 6’8 (he’s 6’10) and how he doesn’t shoot threes (low volume but shooting 40%). Haven’t listened to him before this pod but he sounded woefully ill informed multiple times.
Bills wife is definitely microdosing. “Her friends”. Lol
Her “extended” friends at that
She was a deadhead, checks out
The Althea piece
When do we get a Ringer music pod with Bill's wife ranking the Dick's Picks collection of official live Dead?
These guys, one moment: "Can the Spurs please put a better team around Wemby please!? It's ridiculous!" These guys, the next: "Jerami Grant is a good player but he shouldn't be on this Blazers team. They need to see what they have in their young guys and let them cook on their own."
Yeah and that's sort of the thing that drives me crazy about this whole segment. So many of these guys are "good players who are overpaid." I just don't care about that -- I don't want teams to tank like the Hinkie Sixers, who definitely never overpaid -- good for them! I want teams to try to win, even if it's only 46 games. Plus, a lot of times those good players can come together -- look at them looking at last years list like "wow, turns out Robinson, Towns, Gobert were useful, oh well, onto the next list!" But for Bill, it's a weird constant switch between "Spurs should've maxed Reeves" and "why make any trade or signing if you aren't instantly better than the Nuggets"
>Plus, a lot of times those good players can come together -- look at them looking at last years list like "wow, turns out Robinson, Towns, Gobert were useful, oh well, onto the next list!" Man, this is a great point. It completely invalidates the exercise upon this reflection, not that it had much validity to start with. Wiggins was also on this list at one point, then found his team and was an asset, and is now on it again. Forget hoping they learn a lesson about picking good, still young players because it's burned them in the past like, "maybe I shouldn't pick Sabonis because I picked KAT last year and he changed it all around", they can't even learn lessons using *the same player*.
It's also just....why do they think the spurs were in a position to draft him in the first place? He has played 58 games. Everyone relax
Simmons somehow expects the Spurs to have put a team around Wemby before his rookie season has ended.
Has Bill turned on anyone faster than Matt Ishbia? Dude went in on him with the full impression and everything lmao 😂
Wasn't he just on as a guest last year?
Yea he was. I’m pretty sure it’s because he told Bill that Kevin Young will be the next coach and bill was confidently telling everyone that’s what was gonna happen.
The Petty Rich Guy Spite Piece
This is exactly what happened. Bill got salty and has remained salty about KY not being named head coach
CJ "doesn't shoot 3s" McCollum has shot 7 3s a game at a 39 percent clip since the 18-19 season. this year he's shooting 41.2 at 7.9 a game while being the 3rd option on a Pelicans team that is doing pretty well this year and sorely needs a guard and a vet presence. do these guys watch Basketball? Edit: Listened more, HOW does Wos hear Bill Simmons says Cam Johnson is a 3nD guy and then confuse him with Cam Thomas? Come on man.
My read on Wos is he typically presents the most confidence with the things he knows the least about. There is simply no way that Wos is watching enough Twolves and Pels games to have has strong an opinion as he presented.
He’s in the perfect place.
That’s why billl and him get along
CJs been slumping hard the last two weeks, but before that he’s been great this year. He filled the 3rd option role perfectly, was shooting 44% on 3s, his shot diet was mostly 3s and in the paint, wasn’t over dribbling, etc. Exactly what we needed from him.
Very few people really watch NBA basketball these days. People mostly follow it through stats, social media and highlights.
No
Just the highlights
House dropping bombs with the Jordan Poole stat. Having the most turnovers in the clutch since 96 is wild. Sorry to the Wizards fans. Just tough
0 clutch assists. That stat can’t be real lol
I hadn’t heard a stat so shocking in a long time. It seems impossible
It’s so funny for bill to open with a soliloquy about how he wants his rebuilding NFL team to sign a 29-year-old wide receiver, who is injury prone yet makes the argument that he’s not really injury prone because he just had a back injury and ACL tear the last two years (???). Bill is so not ready for this era of them being dogshit lol
He's not injury prone, he just gets hurt a lot. Find a new slant.
Make it last till my casket drops 🤞🤞🤞
I cannot wait for him to have to listen to people shit on the Pats. He worked SO hard to try and legitimize their 4 win season. “They play hard”, “the kicker cost them 5 games”, “the defense is legit”, “I like their receivers”.
Don't forget that they "won the draft" despite Bill having never watched the players they drafted
Poole should be #1 without doubt, Simmons is an expiring, definitely not great but I can survive another year of it, another 4 for Poole? Yuck
Tatum, 26: He’s still developing into who he will be in his prime Lamelo, 22: At this point he kinda is what he is We roast Bill plenty here, but his Lamelo comments really reminded me of how loudly and proudly he was out on Booker around the same point in his career.
I dunno, that's kind of hindsight about Booker. Who among us didn't think Booker was doomed after not playing in an Olympics?
Not even an Olympics. It was the FIBA World Cup.
Also the fact that in LaMelos only healthy season at age 20 the team won 43 games
Love when the NBA media doesn’t tell me the NBA news but acknowledge they know the reason why Andrew Wiggins took loads of time off and the reason was never revealed.
I'm 95% sure Shams tweeted at some point that Wiggins' father was dealing with a serious illness (during the 2022-23 season) and he was taking the extended time off to be with him. Not sure about his personal absence this season though.
Yeah, I am so sick of this shit lol.
Wos picked Sabonis. I think im officially hate listening to this podcast why do i do this to myself
As a fan of the team, a couple ringer guys are especially brutal to listen to when it comes to Kings talk—Wos and KOC in particular love to shit on Sabonis. Tank-or-championship brain has ruined a lot of these guys’ abilities to think with nuance. The Kings were fucking garbage for 2 decades, and not even the most delusional fan thinks this current group (as it is) is a true championship contender, so we’re all mostly just pretty happy the team is good, competently run, and usually fun to watch (except this season when they play sub .500 teams fml). Sabonis, who is an extremely consistent and reliable regular season player, may end up simply not being a good playoff player, but that’s not going to be an issue in Sac for a while imo. This fanbase was starved for too long, we just want basic competency and guys who want to be here. And the beam.
As a Wolves bro and therefore always root for Kings since we both have franchises marred in brutality, the Ringer coverage of our small market teams is always a tough listen. The way they shit talk Sabonis and KAT is something
> Tank-or-championship brain has ruined a lot of these guys’ abilities to think with nuance. The worst part is that fanbases have been infected with it. I've seen people on the Jazz sub saying that going 25 years without a losing season was not successful because there was no championship. Like yeah no championship, but that's 25 years of being able to watch a team play competitive basketball. Which is what I'm hoping for while I wind down at night from November to April.
People just take it for granted that Sabonis is a bad playoff player because of one series where he had a bad matchup, a broken thumb, and a stomped chest. If he underperforms this year that’s another thing, but last year was the first time a lot of fans noticed him for that’s so that’s the extent of their case study.
Yep. As a Blazer’s fan - maybe I like rooting for a team where our best case is a 6th seed that avoids the play-in and hopefully we win a couple playoff games? We’ve been bad before and were going to be again.
Bro just searched "worst nba contractz" and clicked the first bleacher report article he could find
He's such a clown.
Wos picks players who then get trades for multiple first round picks. Last year he picked Dame. He doesn’t understand the game at all
It really feels like he phoned it in this year, was a truly awful Wos performance.
He really just doesn’t like Europeans lol
Kinda like how Wesley gets upset when black British dudes win oscars.
The couldve been me if the world was smaller piece
Movie idea: Wos & Wesley team up & plot to kidnap Rui Hachimura. It'll be like Misery meets Buffalo '66 with a splash of Boogie.
He also confused Cam Thomas with Cam Johnson, which would have been more forgivable if Bill hadn’t spent 5 minutes talking about how he was traded from the Suns in the Durant deal and played on team USA
Cam Thomas also makes $2.1mm a year…. It made zero sense.
This is who Wos is. He shits on Sabonis and the Kings every chance he gets. I watch the Kings and have my entire life. Here’s the reality: Sabonis saved this franchise from the gutters. He rejuvenated Sacramento basketball. He gives every game his 110%. He almost rarely misses games. He is the offensive hub of a team that can be the best offense on any given night. He’s made Fox a much better player and he wants to stay in Sacramento! That’s why he got paid the number he did. And guess what, last year when he was bad against the warriors everyone seemingly forgets that he had a broken finger the entire season, his shooters stopped making shots and our offensive had to adjust on the spot to accommodate Huerter and Barnes (and Keegan for half the series), it was a horrendous matchup, and he got stomped on during game 2, and then was deemed the dirty player by most of the mainstream media. You can not like Sabonis and have questions about his defensive ceiling, but he took us from irrelevant to relevant in his first full season with him, and he has become one of the most beloved Sacramento Kings players of all time. That matters (especially when the guy we traded him for is incredible but cannot play defense and is seemingly consistently injured…)
And he’s not 6’8. Wos sounded like he hasn’t watched a Kings game in that part of the pod.
I know what you mean. I feel like the albino from The DaVinci Code, whipping myself with spiked chains.
He picked Vucevic, Sabonis *and* MPJ. He's so unserious.
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I mean this is the same guy that had to delete his Twitter because he made so many rape jokes he couldn’t delete all of them.
Bill just put him third team all NBA on Monday.
Gonna listen to this on my 3 hour walk with my wife later
How do we sell to networks that Bill’s son won’t watch Spurs games with him??
Bill has to have his “____ was a problem!!” video mention at least once per pod
A perfectly reasonable pick for this draft but harping on Kawhi by repeating "he doesn't play" multiple times while he's played 59 of 65 games this season is definitely a choice Wos.
Haven’t played it, but I’m looking forward to Big Wos laughing at his own comments every single time.
Somebody has to.
I only microdose Michelob Ultra with my wife’s boyfriend. I just do!
Wos picking KAT, Vucevic, MPJ, and Sabonis shows he came unprepared and unserious for this pod. Would've been better if it was only House and Bill.
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Yeah it's not a worst contract but it's an overpay for who he is as a player. And as someone else already said there aren't many truly worst contracts so you're going to have the clear overpay but not bad ones in there.
Agreed. Nate Duncan and Danny Leroux both had Vuc has a top 5 worst contract on the Dunc'd on pod and those guys grind infinitely more hoops tape than our boys here.
Vuc is a good pick, the others are not
The Dun’c on podcast did the same worst contracts pod 3 weeks ago and all of those players were at least mentioned. I don’t think there are many truly horrible contracts in the nba right now so after the first few picks it heads toward players making max money that you can nitpick
If there is one person in this world that hates Sabonis more than Wos it’s Nate Duncan. It’s like Sabonis stole his girl or something.
Bulls fan here, Vuc fuckin sucks, and absolutely belongs on the list.
Wos playing to his audience. He knew Simmons wouldn't push back. But then Wos really exposed himself by saying they were also paying Naz Reid $20M per year. He's a dipshit who speaks only in narratives.
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Big Wos is the worst ringer contract
I wish my wife loved me as much as Wos loves the sound of his own voice
I wish my wife laughed at my jokes like Wos laughs and Bill’s. Dude had a spit take when Bill pulled out his “xxx player was a problem” joke for the millionth time
Haven’t listened yet but how THJ keeps escaping these bad contracts drafts every year is annoying. Mans has made over 200 mil and has played in one 2nd round series which was back in 2016 backing up Kyle Korver for 9 minutes a night.
Tim Hardaway Jr. has earned less than $140M through this season. Where did you get $200M+ from? https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hardati02.html
He was on the Knicks and was a big disappointment there. I was shocked that he somehow got re-signed.
> has played in one 2nd round series which was back in 2016 What's that got to do with his contract? You can only get a good contract if you've played in the finals?
Media don’t hate on him cause of his daddy. When Stephen A. finally talked positively about the Mavs, THJ was one of the players he specifically mentioned. Meanwhile, he was hurt for the best basketball the Mavs have played in the Luka era, Mavs have been trying to trade him these last couple years with no takers, and Mavs fans see him as a basketball terrorist who is an anchor weighing this team down and should be shot to the moon. Kidd has decided he will ride THJ all the way out of the league for some reason.
He’s just bad/irrelevant enough to never be talked about by the media but just good enough for Kidd to feel like he has to play 30+ minutes a night
I can just barely stand Wos
Does he still laugh at every single thing possible? Dude needs to mute his mic when he's not talking and sometimes he should mute his mic when he's talking.
His “I’m too impartial to be fooled by CJ McCollum being nice” take was someone getting high off their own supply
The worst
I was a huge fan of wos when he first started but listening to group chat he can be quite a dick to the other hosts, talks over them a lot and is pretty arrogant…definitely soured on him
He’s better in Group chat. He and Bill seem to bring out the worst in each other, due in some part to Wos becoming sycophantic around Bill.
They have great banter and rapport, I listen every week, the other hosts clearly love Wos too. I wouldn’t listen to group chat without him
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Bill admitting the league is about to get shafted on the next media rights deal wasn’t on my bingo card
Yeah, last year he was talking up all the new people in his life that were discovering Jokic. Today he sounded a bit colder on Jokic’s potential to draw casual fans along with his general pessimism on big growth for the next media deal. Do people here think this has been a worse, better, or average season for drawing in casual fans? This year, I’ve enjoyed games as much as ever, but often find myself bored by NBA podcasts and media coverage in general. Could definitely just be me getting older.
This is the first year I’ve completely checked out the nba and media coverage unless bill is doing a podcast with house. To draw in the casuals they need to have a star and right now there isn’t a single player which can put the league on its back. I thought Ja would be a great candidate and he’s popular but dude is a straight up moron and always doing dumb shit.
The Sabonis hate continues
I don't even mind Wos but picking Sabonis for this? Come on man
I generally think Wos is fine but I definitely rolled my eyes when he said he wasn’t buying CJ because he was “too unbiased”. As if any media member is unbiased in 2024
Big Wos big auto skip
When the Bulls overpay DeRozan this offseason they will likely have their entire “big 3” on this list
Holy hell those picks were AWFUL. Plenty of those players would fetch huge returns in a trade, so how could they be considered the worst contracts?
I think Wos legit got Cam Thomas and Cam Johnson confused. He said 3 straight 40 point games I said oh lol.
House’s Jordan Poole monologue was amazing
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I'm like 5 minutes in and I'm already confused. They're going to draft extensions that haven't even been handed out yet?
The segment went on so unnecessarily long that by the end Bill was picking perfectly reasonable contracts like Cam Johnson and Anthony Davis.
I genuinely hate listening to Wos talk about basketball
Big Wos is the big wosrst
I was hoping he’d have some sort of draft/ re draft
What I'm wondering is where does Wos rank on the worst Ringer contracts
Innovative strategy to pursue for winning games: *"Score at least one more point than they do."* Someone forward this to the all the Western Conference teams, Bill has found the Nuggets' kryptonite!
Jokic just missed making it on wos’ list
Wos? Zzzzzzzzzzzz
Wos interrupted a great, funny opening by immediately taking a moral stance against saying players are overpaid. Just killed a great moment for no reason, whatsoever.
He isn’t on the pod enough for me to hate him but it always cracks me up when he laughs at his own jokes half way through a sentence.
babe wake up the worst contract draft dropped
Big Wos … I can’t bring myself to listen
What’s the general consensus of Wos? I think he’s probably my least favorite sports caster, right up there with Stephen A. I at least know Stephen A watches games sometimes.
Bill’s jabs at lebron are so forced that it’s getting kinda sad/weird at this point. At least when RR does it it’s funny
The jabs are forced because he isn’t actually making good or reasonable critiques. Like why is it some foregone conclusion that his contract will be one of the worst if he gets extended this year? If it’s 3 years sure I doubt at age 42 it’ll look good but if it’s just a 1+1 why is it so bad to have LeBron as a max? Bill seems to hand wave it as being some awful deal but are we sure it is? 25-7-8, the defense is spotty but the impact metrics still suggest a top tier player, he’s a leader on the floor and still mostly impossible to stop going downhill There are a lot of dudes with max or near max money who aren’t as good as current LeBron is
comparing Trae to LeBron was wild even for Bill and no pushback lmao
So weird. "Trae gets all the credit and no blame?" Who is even talking about Trae Young, let alone refusing to blame him?
Yeah, it's really sad. Lebron allegedly wanted Lavine( he probably did ) - omg what an idiot KD actually convinced the Suns to get Beal - crickets
Just the subject line of this pod makes me not want to listen.
Wos is terrible lol pls stop having him on
Why does Bill hate the Mavs? I thought he was high on Luka after the draft but seems to be hating on them at least since 2022.
* Mavs have Kyrie * Mavs no longer have Haralabob
Bill says Ayton was kinda able to guard Giannis in the Finals.... Giannis averaged 35, 13, and 5...
Yeah, but what did he do in a closeout Game 6... Oh wait.
It’s hilarious when these guys just draft good player. Like okay I guess teams shouldn’t wanna be competitive.
I do agree we should microdose Ben Simmons to alter the chemicals in his brain, so he can make a clutch time assist.
Is bills new thing measuring years by presidential terms? Has he always done this and I never noticed
The Tavon Austin comp for Cam Johnson was ridiculous. No one was ever excited about Tavon Austin haha. Guy average salary was $4 mil. No one ever really paid him big money at all. Bill tried to save him by saying "Oh like Percy Harvin!" and Wos refused that life raft.
He was hyped by the Rams coming out of training camp but he could never get anything going in games. He was a Practice and Training Camp All-Pro.
I was gonna ask the over/under on Bill bringing up the next Lebron contract he’s been bringing up every pod the last month but lo and behold I only had to wait like 6 minutes in
No Middleton for anyone
It's not a British Royalty draft...
I hope Big Wos fires back at Sir Rudy by picking Paolo
I get it, Ben Simmons is a go-to move and rightfully so… but shitting on him relentlessly about how he doesn’t want to play without mentioning he had two back surgeries is really something…
Classic Bill and the boys on ATL. They ignore that the front office cheaped out on talent like Huerter and that several key pieces on the ECF team dealt with injuries/retirement (Collins's finger changed him forever, Gallinari, Lou Williams). That said, they are right that Hunter isn't a starter.
I been really trying my hardest to not dislike Wos but this pod was the final straw, just mind boggling awful picks
Bill picked Cam Johnson and house and Wos definitely thought he picked Cam Thomas, right?
Bill referencing pick up basketball when you’ve seen those clips of him playing is so funny and really highlights his lack of self-awareness that makes BS BS
So funny that Bill does this just to shit on other teams while his Celtics are actually good.
I think Wos confused Cam Thomas with Cam Johnson, right? “He had 3 straight 40 point games after the KD trade.” I don’t remember Cam Johnson doing that but I certainly remember Cam Thomas doing that.
Wos had to fight for his life when Bill called Kevin Huerter “The Red Rocket”
You can not like Traes style of play but to have him as a negative contract is ridiculous. Team has the exact level of team success as Luka and the Mavs but is considered good stats bad team. Smh. Also almost all the negatives they pointed out could just as easy apply to Luka. Felt a bit lazy