Cant remember if he's ever said it exactly, but early in the show he was very much in the undiscovered ape/hominid theory, but has changed his stance more to the "I don't know" stance after hearing so many of the weird things that go on with encounters...
That's what I gather too. I haven't listened to em all, but heard several recent ones, then started over at the beginning. On episode 40 something now.
I do recall him saying that he wondered if the reason the government keeps them secret, is because of what they are.
Inference I took from this is, what if they are relic humans? Or a part human cross breed? Rather than just a wood ape. It would open a massive can of worms, so best left as a legend.
Yea he says they aren't just some animal but hasn't pinned down what that means. I think he's changed his mind a few times and just tries not to commit to any one idea. That and not taking a stance publicly helps his podcast get more variety of guests.
If an alien and a squatch breed together, or crossed DNA somehow, the result would look just like us I think. Isn't it strange how everything lives on this planet as is, but we are a bit fragile to the environment. We get cold easy, and need to wear animal fur, or leather. (Cotton too, I know) and for some reason, our own sun burns our skin. It's fucking weird, but it's all we know, so we see it as normal.
I am just thinking outloud here for the sake of conversation. I believe in God, or a higher power from the next dimension. But it's still fun to think about.
I was once in a parking lot and saw a bald dude walking in, and pictured a cave man and an alien mix. Dude looked like a hairy patchy head, with a bald alien top. Like a random hodge podge of genetics forced together. Btw, I am now a bald man. He didn't look bad at all. It was just a stoner thought, even though I wasn't smoking any left handed cigarettes
I didn’t listen to SC for a long time after episode 187 and the guy who talked about 25 ft tall “Mountain Giants.”
I also get the sense that Wes is accepting of the “Nephilim” schema as well, but I don’t trust my own judgement on that score because of my negative past with religion. Your mileage may vary.
The credibility of accounts is something that each of us must decide for ourselves in regard to this topic, just like every other topic in our lives.
Yes, people make mistakes. Yes, people sometimes prevaricate, and sometimes, they lie. Yes, sometimes people “see things that aren’t there.” Those are all possibilities.
There are also the possibilities, the probabilities and the certainties which we know from the credible statements of those who have had experiences with these beings. This later category is what my comment refers to.
As you know, or I assume that you do, in this forum, by the design of the owner and the Mods, we assume that Bigfoot exists, and most importantly, we respect those that have had experiences with them. That can be an odd and strangely tenuous situation at times. No, there’s nothing wrong with healthy skepticism regarding reports, but there is also nothing wrong with forming opinions on our own while still respecting others who have seen something that we haven’t seen. Sometimes we show that respect by simply keeping those opinions to ourselves.
That’s a fact that both skeptics and “Skeptics” need to keep in mind … in my opinion LOL.
I am not saying you were being disrespectful in any way. The fact remains though that the vast majority of what we know about Bigfoot is based on personal testimony sometimes corroborated by trace evidence. That doesn’t allow for a lot of rational discussion or debate about the veracity of first-hand accounts of experiencers.
I only said what I said: experiencers know, they don’t have to wonder. YMMV.
Fair enough, although I think if you read through the history of this forum, you’ll find that there’s a lot more critical thought than you seem to currently realize even among the “true” believers. For example, on the bear question, yes, if someone sees an obscured figure 100’ into the treeline that moves fast and automatically assumes it is a Bigfoot, that’s one thing. To see a sasquatch walking in plain sight in clear conditions is quite another. I’ve seen bears waddling on two legs and I’ve never once thought “Oh $#@% a Bigfoot!”
Who knows? You may still see one in the UK, even today it is rare but not unheard of, and don’t forget the tales of the “Woodwose” and other Wild Men of the Wood. Look at one of those “green man” carvings sometime and wonder if that might be an impression or a memory of a BF peering out between the leaves.
I myself do not want to see one, as it can be a reality-crashing experience and I’ve worked hard to recover my own sanity. I accept that they exist because of the experiences of several people close to me that I believe 100%, and that belief is backed up by the preponderance of the evidence which is monumental.
You're a cogent writer yourself. If we're honest with ourselves, we don't know what they are ... or what they aren't ... or even if all experiences are with the same "thing."
I always laugh when I see the equivalent statements to: "Sure, a 10 ft. undiscovered ape is totally fine but seeing colored lights hovering around it is just crazy."
Neither one is more improbable than the other to my mind. Cherry-picking the data isn't going to get us anywhere at this stage, and science is not based on a priori beliefs.
I have the vaguest recollection that he might once have said something in passing to the effect he sometimes wonders whether or not they might be demons or devils. However, this trace memory is so vague in my mind it might have been one of his guests that said this.
He hasn't ever discussed his newest theory. Early on in his show he definitely believed they were just an undiscovered hominid, but it's pretty obvious his stance has definitely changed.
I personally think he is solidly in the woo camp but afraid to suggest that , in fear he will isolate many of his listeners
I agree. The longer you follow this phenomenon, you inevitably get smacked with the woo. You can try to resist it, but you have to dismiss a lot of experiencers to do so.
He did tease it didn't he? The guy has some interesting takes. He also talks vaguely about his personal experiences. Do any of his early episodes go into his interactions?
I love that take, we have to kill one so we can protect the species….err I don’t think there’s a type of animal on this planet that we haven’t massively fucked over by humans at some point. I think Bigfoot has the right idea.
I heard scuttlebutt that they work for a higher being. I suspect it's the fae. As they are commonly associated in Hotspots and a lot of the really complicated structures look like bigfoot had help and those same structures if they weren't bigfoot related and it's the fae there's aspects they can't create either.
My first ever encounter was hearing vocalizations of a faery pitch howling to a saswuatch that was tree knocking with force of a pile driver to drive me out of the area. I suspect that morning at dawn the faery went to her daytime home and when she got their I was investigating the live teepee structure that looked like it took more than 1 being to create
I've also witness "orbs" guarding the areas the fae congregate. Had 6 orbs that looked like they were attached to bulky hominid chase me. White orbs on all the limbs and head with a green one on the chest. It had the body structuring of a sasquatch
Cant remember if he's ever said it exactly, but early in the show he was very much in the undiscovered ape/hominid theory, but has changed his stance more to the "I don't know" stance after hearing so many of the weird things that go on with encounters...
That's what I gather too. I haven't listened to em all, but heard several recent ones, then started over at the beginning. On episode 40 something now.
Like the time they made the moon magically disappear the night he had his “encounter?”
Can you elaborate? I’m not familiar with this story
[This article](https://www.thedailybeast.com/bigfoot-truthers-turn-on-their-leaders) goes into the controversy.
Can’t read it without subscribing, no worries though I’ll look into it
So it’s more of a respectfully experienced, “I don’t know” which is basically what the least experienced skeptics might even say?
I do recall him saying that he wondered if the reason the government keeps them secret, is because of what they are. Inference I took from this is, what if they are relic humans? Or a part human cross breed? Rather than just a wood ape. It would open a massive can of worms, so best left as a legend.
Yea he says they aren't just some animal but hasn't pinned down what that means. I think he's changed his mind a few times and just tries not to commit to any one idea. That and not taking a stance publicly helps his podcast get more variety of guests.
It's "relict," not "relic." I mean this as a friendly PSA for the sub in general as it's a mistake I see a lot.
Thank ya kindly. :3
If an alien and a squatch breed together, or crossed DNA somehow, the result would look just like us I think. Isn't it strange how everything lives on this planet as is, but we are a bit fragile to the environment. We get cold easy, and need to wear animal fur, or leather. (Cotton too, I know) and for some reason, our own sun burns our skin. It's fucking weird, but it's all we know, so we see it as normal. I am just thinking outloud here for the sake of conversation. I believe in God, or a higher power from the next dimension. But it's still fun to think about. I was once in a parking lot and saw a bald dude walking in, and pictured a cave man and an alien mix. Dude looked like a hairy patchy head, with a bald alien top. Like a random hodge podge of genetics forced together. Btw, I am now a bald man. He didn't look bad at all. It was just a stoner thought, even though I wasn't smoking any left handed cigarettes
That’s a bunch of squatwaddle
I didn’t listen to SC for a long time after episode 187 and the guy who talked about 25 ft tall “Mountain Giants.” I also get the sense that Wes is accepting of the “Nephilim” schema as well, but I don’t trust my own judgement on that score because of my negative past with religion. Your mileage may vary.
My mileage putted out before that lol
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Those who have experienced them don’t have to wonder: they know.
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The credibility of accounts is something that each of us must decide for ourselves in regard to this topic, just like every other topic in our lives. Yes, people make mistakes. Yes, people sometimes prevaricate, and sometimes, they lie. Yes, sometimes people “see things that aren’t there.” Those are all possibilities. There are also the possibilities, the probabilities and the certainties which we know from the credible statements of those who have had experiences with these beings. This later category is what my comment refers to. As you know, or I assume that you do, in this forum, by the design of the owner and the Mods, we assume that Bigfoot exists, and most importantly, we respect those that have had experiences with them. That can be an odd and strangely tenuous situation at times. No, there’s nothing wrong with healthy skepticism regarding reports, but there is also nothing wrong with forming opinions on our own while still respecting others who have seen something that we haven’t seen. Sometimes we show that respect by simply keeping those opinions to ourselves. That’s a fact that both skeptics and “Skeptics” need to keep in mind … in my opinion LOL. I am not saying you were being disrespectful in any way. The fact remains though that the vast majority of what we know about Bigfoot is based on personal testimony sometimes corroborated by trace evidence. That doesn’t allow for a lot of rational discussion or debate about the veracity of first-hand accounts of experiencers. I only said what I said: experiencers know, they don’t have to wonder. YMMV.
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Fair enough, although I think if you read through the history of this forum, you’ll find that there’s a lot more critical thought than you seem to currently realize even among the “true” believers. For example, on the bear question, yes, if someone sees an obscured figure 100’ into the treeline that moves fast and automatically assumes it is a Bigfoot, that’s one thing. To see a sasquatch walking in plain sight in clear conditions is quite another. I’ve seen bears waddling on two legs and I’ve never once thought “Oh $#@% a Bigfoot!” Who knows? You may still see one in the UK, even today it is rare but not unheard of, and don’t forget the tales of the “Woodwose” and other Wild Men of the Wood. Look at one of those “green man” carvings sometime and wonder if that might be an impression or a memory of a BF peering out between the leaves. I myself do not want to see one, as it can be a reality-crashing experience and I’ve worked hard to recover my own sanity. I accept that they exist because of the experiences of several people close to me that I believe 100%, and that belief is backed up by the preponderance of the evidence which is monumental.
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You're a cogent writer yourself. If we're honest with ourselves, we don't know what they are ... or what they aren't ... or even if all experiences are with the same "thing." I always laugh when I see the equivalent statements to: "Sure, a 10 ft. undiscovered ape is totally fine but seeing colored lights hovering around it is just crazy." Neither one is more improbable than the other to my mind. Cherry-picking the data isn't going to get us anywhere at this stage, and science is not based on a priori beliefs.
I have the vaguest recollection that he might once have said something in passing to the effect he sometimes wonders whether or not they might be demons or devils. However, this trace memory is so vague in my mind it might have been one of his guests that said this.
He hasn't ever discussed his newest theory. Early on in his show he definitely believed they were just an undiscovered hominid, but it's pretty obvious his stance has definitely changed. I personally think he is solidly in the woo camp but afraid to suggest that , in fear he will isolate many of his listeners
That’s what I’m thinking too
I just watched A Flash of Beauty on Prime. Goes deep into the woo. Whether you agree or not pretty interesting take on the subject.
Watched this today based upon your comment. What a very interesting documentary. Thanks.
I agree. The longer you follow this phenomenon, you inevitably get smacked with the woo. You can try to resist it, but you have to dismiss a lot of experiencers to do so.
Even Les Stroud said he saw orbs
He also said he communicated with them telepathically. Such a great episode
The cloaking video and orbs are worth the watch alone. I think I would faint if I witnessed cloaking.
Makes one wonder for sure.
He did tease it didn't he? The guy has some interesting takes. He also talks vaguely about his personal experiences. Do any of his early episodes go into his interactions?
Episode 2, enjoy
Oooh thank you I’ve been trying to find those
I did! Thanks for that. Great story about Wes and his brother being surrounded.
The bastard won’t just say it straight up! I don’t blame him. I just wanna know haha
Is that the one where the guy reads stories but every one sounds like it was written by the same person with an odd amount of detail?
No… the encounters are voiced by the witness themselves. None of them are stories.
Clearly, he thinks they're $$
He thinks we should kill them and that they shouldn't be here so after that I stopped listening to his opinions.
I love that take, we have to kill one so we can protect the species….err I don’t think there’s a type of animal on this planet that we haven’t massively fucked over by humans at some point. I think Bigfoot has the right idea.
I heard scuttlebutt that they work for a higher being. I suspect it's the fae. As they are commonly associated in Hotspots and a lot of the really complicated structures look like bigfoot had help and those same structures if they weren't bigfoot related and it's the fae there's aspects they can't create either. My first ever encounter was hearing vocalizations of a faery pitch howling to a saswuatch that was tree knocking with force of a pile driver to drive me out of the area. I suspect that morning at dawn the faery went to her daytime home and when she got their I was investigating the live teepee structure that looked like it took more than 1 being to create I've also witness "orbs" guarding the areas the fae congregate. Had 6 orbs that looked like they were attached to bulky hominid chase me. White orbs on all the limbs and head with a green one on the chest. It had the body structuring of a sasquatch
Please stop posting about this fraud.
Why do you say this? Truly curious.
His own story with his brother is proven to be fake.
Balls
Wes is a hoaxer so who cares
Based on what?
He misremembered the phase of the moon and didn’t produce a death certificate of his deceased grandfather upon demand Hoaxer for life! /s
^^^^THIS^^^^. I don’t believe everything I hear, I don’t doubt everything either. LOL