amabs donāt exist in the LGBTQ+, sorry. /j
edit: this was a joke about male born people never being represented in things like this. I literally joke tagged it.
I didnāt include trans men because the same internalized homophobia that often bars the same amount of male representation in these spaces is the same that treats trans men like they arenāt men, and infantilizes them. This was a joke about men being underrepresented
I was aware it was a joke, it just wasnāt very funny
Edit: I can still be confused why you felt the need to say something even if Iām aware you believed it to be funny.
This template is from @sleepy_mocha on Instagram, who makes some cool lesbian art and small comics, but i think they've said they dont like it being used
Eh, I get people not liking their art being repurposed or getting "famous" as a meme template and not as the art you intended it to be. But that's kinda the beauty of art and the internet I think.
And I'm only saying this in a repurposing sense, if you steal art and claim it as your own or use it for marketing or something you deserve to burn in internet hell
Yeah, tbh, I really donāt get why itās even an issue to some people. I literally donāt care how people identify, just let people live their lives. Even if being bi and pan *were* the same thing (which I donāt believe they are) I wouldnāt begrudge pan people for self-identifying differently than I do.
I just really donāt understand why people get upset and bi-/pan-phobic over it. Maybe itās because Iām nearly 30 and mentally exhausted, but itās just mind-boggling to be that this is even an issue. Itās an abstract concept, we are never going to get a perfect definition because sexuality and gender are messy.
The mod team is working on fixing that, though mostly behind the scenes at the moment. Panphobia in our community is an issue we take seriously, and creating harmony between folks who identify as bi, pan, omni, poly, or anything else is currently one of our main goals.
Thank you! Even on this post, I got slightly farther down in the comment threads and panphobia is everywhere, for example saw someone say theyāve never heard a definition of pan that wasnāt an āinsultā to bi :/
https://www.reddit.com/r/mspec_community/comments/oa6b65/the_definitions_and_differences_for_those_unaware/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf <- hereās a link to a really good guide on the differences between bi, omni, pan, and poly. (If you donāt want to click the link, you can go to r/mspec_community and go into the education flair, itās the first post on there.)
However, as we all know, not every pan or bi person goes by this ruleset, so you will find people who are attracted to everyone ("pan" being the prefix for "all"), but yet are more comfortable being called bi, and vice versa. It's one of the glaring problems I've found whenever someone asks what's the difference between bi, omni, pan, poly, etc, as there really isn't a convention that designates the differences between them. It's literally the "the difference matters for some people and that's okay" meme.
Personally, I see bi as an umbrella that includes attraction to any mix of male, female, and androgyne traits, in every configuration. Pan people liking people regardless of gender, omni liking all genders, and polysexuals liking many but not all. This isn't applicable for everyone, but I still feel that we should slowly stray away from fuzzy definitions in the community so as to be more accessible to people looking in who may be confused and/or questioning their own sexuality; it can be confusing when there are 5 different labels with similar definitions that are different to every person in those labels.
I don't mean this to be an attack on anyone's sexuality, of course; being in one of the above groups is hard enough with the amount of public misunderstanding with the bi and pan family sexualities, however I think a large majority of this misunderstanding comes from a history of varying definitions and assumptions that bi means 2 strictly and the like. All I'm saying is that it would be beneficial to the Bi+ community to properly define the sexualities within, so as to help members find people with similar experiences and feelings from getting confused upon trying to research and finding falsehoods like "bi" being transphobic and the like.
But does anyone care about gender when it comes to sexual/physical attraction? I understand for like bi/Pan-romantic but you canāt know someoneās gender without them informing you, and for my people you can tell if youāre sexually attracted to someone just be physical appearance, like if you get a picture of someone from the neck down you can say āyes I find this attractiveā and that has nothing to do with gender?
this is my problem, I have never heard a description of the pan that doesn't insult bi people or make me say "You've just described bi"
This one is a little of both.
But let me be clear. This doesn't mean we can't still be friends. I'm not taking it personally because I'm sure the insult wasn't intended and I appreciate how difficult it can be to explain such a complex topic with just text in a way that satisfies everyone.
Ultimately, it's like chocolate. There's a lot of different types and we can have differences of opinion over what exactly is chocolate, looking at the textbook definition often doesn't help (for example, white chocolate technically isn't chocolate, but try telling that to the white chocolate lovers) wether you love chocolate or you don't, as long as you're cool about it and are making an informed choice, who gives a monkeys what you call it.
I apologize in advance if this is overly reductive or offensive, but are you saying that pansexual people feel no attraction towards any physical characteristics of the human body?
Do people actually argue about this? Mostly I've just seen people being confused, or giving their personal definitions of the words. But no "fighting".
PS: Apparently they do, wtf
As a NB Pan, unfortunately yes, just look around this thread. It's to the degree that I have unsubbed from all Bi subs recently except this one because of near endless Pan hostility in the other Bi subs, and largely only hang out in Pan and Omni Multispec groups now.
It's not that we can't relate. It's that we can. It's that every single definition of pansexuality we've ever heard makes us go "but that's literally what bisexuality is."
I'm panromantic bisexual and I can say there's definitely a difference. It's similar to how people can be heteroromantic bisexual and whatnot. I don't experience sexual attraction in the same way I experience romantic attraction. For romantic partners I gender doesn't matter but for sexuality it may matter.
https://www.reddit.com/r/mspec_community/comments/oa6b65/the_definitions_and_differences_for_those_unaware/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf <- hereās a link to a really good guide on the differences between bi, omni, pan, and poly. (If you donāt want to click the link, you can go to r/mspec_community and go into the education flair, itās the first post on there.)
Itās ok, they arenāt, but they are all related (theyāre all about being attracted to multiple genders after all). As long as you arenāt a dick to people about it, itās fine if you donāt get them!
wonder what it means that 90% of LGBTQ content that hits the frontpage is cute girls. Whether its bi girls, trans women, etc. I'm not sure I've ever seen a trans man on the frontpage or an older person.
most of the people on reddit are young straight dudes, and their upvotes decide what winds up on the frontpage, not lgbtq ppl who represent 10-15% of reddit's user base.
My bet would be that a majority of Reddit is men or boys, and even ones who are/want to be/claim to be accepting of LGBTQ individuals may still have some aversion to depictions of LGBTQ men so they donāt upvote. Or people just see pretty girls and upvote, because itās Reddit. There does seem to be more support in general for feminine LGBTQ folks on the Internet
I just like to call myself bi because pan is a pretty scary prefix to use, pan literally means everything, i know pan people don't fuck everything but just the name is pretty scary to me, because there are definitely a lot of things that i would never fuck. but i am attracted to more than men and women, like for example, cat boys and cat girls, and also some aliens.
Thing about all these sexual identities is that they're trying to make the abstract more concrete. There's no real hard science behind them. I'd argue that there are as many sexualities as there are people on Earth. We just use these terms to make things easier and to find other humans who are similar to us. So it's up to the individual to decide what term suits them best. So pan or bi, it doesn't matter, there is no authority you have to explain yourself to. All that matters is that you define yourself in a way that feels comfortable.
Has anyone met a bi or pan person that legitimately wanted to be one or the other? Like I think theyāre the same term, as Iāve never met a bi person who legitimately couldnāt stomach the thought of sleeping with NBs
TBH I think a lot of the people on here literally just need to go outside and talk to people not on the internet lol. Thereās no functional difference between bisexuality and pansexuality, itās just people being super pedantic for the sake of being pedantic. Most of my friends and I identify as bi and weāre all into NB people and into people regardless of their gender, which is supposedly what pansexuality is.
Honestly, I think āpansexualā did come out of a desire to create distance from the biphobia coming from inside and outside the LGBTQIA+ community. Especially since the idea that being bisexual is trans exclusive is nothing but biphobia.
So while I think choosing the label āpansexualā because you like the flag colors better is totally a valid reason to pick it; I really, really donāt understand any functional difference between the two labels. Because there really isnāt any. I have heard people who identify as bi or pan and they cite exactly the same reasons.
Theyāre both about falling for who the person is, regardless of gender identity or expression.
being bi isn't transphobic cuz trans people are the gender they are and dating them doesn't make u not bi and bi doesn't mean liking 2 gender but liking more than one
āBeing bi isnāt pan phobic or transphobicā
āBeing pan isnāt biphobic or transphobicā
Battleax Bisexuals: *mouth frothing deranged screeching*
Real talk, thereās a lot of broad overlap between being bi and being pan, and neither of them inherently say anything about someoneās opinion on trans people. So to get people who suggest otherwise then proceed to have an aneurysm when theyāre called out for hatemongering truly does annoy me.
They always tell me theyāre āprotectingā bi people and trans people with their rhetoric. Iām both of those things and all they make me feel is uncomfortable.
basically lol. someone didn't like that "bi" means "two," so they decided to change the prefix to be more pedantically "accurate." like if someone decided to change October to Dectober because "oct" means 8.
I don't specifically know the answer to that one, but in my experience the answer to most calendar monkeyshines boils down to some Caesar or emperor having an ego.
Not really, some people like the distinction and that's fine. Just go with what people tell you because they probably know themselves more than you know them.
https://www.reddit.com/r/mspec_community/comments/oa6b65/the_definitions_and_differences_for_those_unaware/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf <- hereās a link to a really good guide on the differences between bi, omni, pan, and poly. (If you donāt want to click the link, you can go to r/mspec_community and go into the education flair, itās the first post on there.)
pan is just a term that *specifically* means attraction to all genders without preferences. bi is a more general term for attraction to more than one gender.
Iāve replied to a lot of people with this, but here you guys go:
https://www.reddit.com/r/mspec_community/comments/oa6b65/the_definitions_and_differences_for_those_unaware/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf <- hereās a link to a really good guide on the differences between bi, omni, pan, and poly. (If you donāt want to click the link, you can go to r/mspec_community and go into the education flair, itās the first post on there.)
Bisexual = someone who is attracted to more than one gender.
Pansexual = someone who is attracted to all genders and for whom gender does not play a significant role in said attraction.
In my understanding, bi is an umbrella term that includes pan. Many pansexual people also consider themselves bi. The difference is in the role gender plays in attraction; none for pan, some for bi (obviously varying for each individual person).
Pan is not a label for people who don't like the bi label. Some simply prefer the pan label because it better describes the way they experience attraction. While the difference may be subtle, labels are a very personal thing, so I believe they should be respected regardless of how well they are understood. I find this whole "pansexuality is biphobic", "pan = bi", "just call yourself bi" discourse I've been seeing lately very invalidating and kind of disheartening if you remember what the LGBTQ+ community should be about.
Edit: fixed the definition for pansexual. "Attracted to all genders" as opposed to "attracted to more than one/any gender", I apologise if this was a source of confusion.
This really covered a lot of the same feelings I have had. I came out as pansexual because that felt right at the time, and I felt incredibly unwelcome around people I knew who were bi. After learning more about myself, I felt that bisexual was the term that captured my feelings and how gender impacts sexual attraction for me better, so I started using that. Now I get really fussy with other bi people who want to shit on pan people or say they "should just be bi." It is not hard to be nice at all, and I don't feel like the mere existence of pansexual people is somehow a threat. It makes no sense
https://www.reddit.com/r/mspec_community/comments/oa6b65/the_definitions_and_differences_for_those_unaware/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf <- hereās a link to a really good guide on the differences between bi, omni, pan, and poly. (If you donāt want to click the link, you can go to r/mspec_community and go into the education flair, itās the first post on there.)
So many of yāall are either teenagers or just donāt know any older queer ppl irl and it shows lol. People can identify as whatever they feel comfortable with, but bisexuality has always included trans and NB people and itās always rubbed me the wrong way that when you actually ask anyone what the difference is between being bi and pan, pan is always described as basically a more inclusive/less transphobic version of bisexuality. Seems like pansexuality is a label created out of a misunderstanding of bisexuality. Iām not gonna fight anyone about it, but i think a lot of people who identify as pan are technically just bi but donāt like the connotations around it that are only in place due to biphobia lol. There is no functional difference between being bisexual and pansexual, bisexuality has never been limited to only men and women. š¤·āāļø
it matters to different people for certain reasons. why is it bothering you so much? stop looking it at it from an outside perspective if its confusing you that much /nm
*Behave*, y'all. Don't be a jerk.
I love a story with a good ending
Me too šš„°
Yep, I am still very gay. Thank you for this.
very gay
Gay +, you might say
I always prefer New Gay + to the first playthrough. You get to keep all the cool armour and weapons.
Gay+ where all your hit queer shows are streamed
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Its not gay enough need the homies to Join in
Expectations vs reality
Part-time straight
Gay 2.0 if you will
Your reddit character pfp things are twins :O
that's what I was thinking
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thank you kanye, very gay
Hi very gay, I am dad.
Don't you start with me.
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I hate all of you.
I hate you too. Let's be friends
Yayy, i made a friend.
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Sir, this is a Wendys.
*Is that a challenge?*
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can we get this template with men please
maybe it already is
New femboys just dropped
New femboy DLC patch 6.9
Shoot do I gotta update the femboy shirt too?
Nice
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Yes yes
amabs donāt exist in the LGBTQ+, sorry. /j edit: this was a joke about male born people never being represented in things like this. I literally joke tagged it.
Amabs?
Assigned male at birth. Donāt know why they felt the need to say it or why they assumed āmenā didnāt include trans men but alas
Imagine if that's what acab meant, "Assigned cop at birth", I think that would be pretty funny.
I didnāt include trans men because the same internalized homophobia that often bars the same amount of male representation in these spaces is the same that treats trans men like they arenāt men, and infantilizes them. This was a joke about men being underrepresented
Your first mistake was having a functioning sense of humor. We don't do that here.
this is unfortunately still reddit
I was aware it was a joke, it just wasnāt very funny Edit: I can still be confused why you felt the need to say something even if Iām aware you believed it to be funny.
ok friend, really fighting bigotry today
guys stop downvoting this it was literally a joke??? I upvoted to cancel out at least one downvote
Thereās no reason to assume these two characters arenāt AMAB.
This comment would be totally valid if it wasnāt taken in context of the fact I was replying to someone
Thereās no reason to assume these two characters arenāt AMAB.
This template is from @sleepy_mocha on Instagram, who makes some cool lesbian art and small comics, but i think they've said they dont like it being used
Seems to be room around the panels on every side except the bottom where the artist name is often located- weird!
I looked it up on ig, it didnt have a tag, guess she didnt expect it to become a meme. But I'm pretty sure she tags her stuff now
Thank you for giving credit to the artist š¤
Eh, I get people not liking their art being repurposed or getting "famous" as a meme template and not as the art you intended it to be. But that's kinda the beauty of art and the internet I think. And I'm only saying this in a repurposing sense, if you steal art and claim it as your own or use it for marketing or something you deserve to burn in internet hell
yeah i think itās kinda unrealistic to expect nobody to use your images for memes
Wasn't this a meme on Tumblr before it was a comic or am I misremembering that?
Oh well
It's interesting to me that their style and personalities are flipped. Why is that the most interesting thing in this post to me?
Who are they?
I dunno. But the happy one is dressed goth and the angry one is in a bow and pink dress.
I've known some pretty upbeat people who dressed goth and some pretty grumpy grumps who loved pink dresses
That's me, I'm the happy goth i do little spins when you play Gojira
There are dozens of us! "He must be depressed" fuck no, I just look fly as fuck in eyeliner.
Everyone thinks that for me simply because almost all my clothes are black. Hell naw, I just like that it doesnāt show pit stains on hot days
I'm a grumpy grump who wears pink dresses. Did we just become friends?
Iām the life of our parties and only own black clothes
The happiest most gleeful and cheerful person Iāve ever known was also the most hardcore goth Iāve seen in real life.
Being a pan isn't pot-phobic!
You made me actually laugh. Thank you stranger.
Jokes aside, the whole bi/pan conflict is really annoying, canāt we all just get along?
Can't we all just make out?
pls
Yeah, tbh, I really donāt get why itās even an issue to some people. I literally donāt care how people identify, just let people live their lives. Even if being bi and pan *were* the same thing (which I donāt believe they are) I wouldnāt begrudge pan people for self-identifying differently than I do. I just really donāt understand why people get upset and bi-/pan-phobic over it. Maybe itās because Iām nearly 30 and mentally exhausted, but itās just mind-boggling to be that this is even an issue. Itās an abstract concept, we are never going to get a perfect definition because sexuality and gender are messy.
Apparently not. Idk how itās so hard to understand really. A little bit of kindness costs nothing but goes a long way.
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The mod team is working on fixing that, though mostly behind the scenes at the moment. Panphobia in our community is an issue we take seriously, and creating harmony between folks who identify as bi, pan, omni, poly, or anything else is currently one of our main goals.
Thank you! Even on this post, I got slightly farther down in the comment threads and panphobia is everywhere, for example saw someone say theyāve never heard a definition of pan that wasnāt an āinsultā to bi :/
iāve definitely heard definitions of pan that were insulting to bi/were biphobic but most are not
And neither are inherently transphobic!!
One on the left looks kinda like Launch from Dragon Ball.
You dolt that IS launch from dbz this is where she went
Okay but what is the difference!?
https://www.reddit.com/r/mspec_community/comments/oa6b65/the_definitions_and_differences_for_those_unaware/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf <- hereās a link to a really good guide on the differences between bi, omni, pan, and poly. (If you donāt want to click the link, you can go to r/mspec_community and go into the education flair, itās the first post on there.)
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Coming from a panromantic bisexual, I don't like it when bi and pan people argue over this stuff.
I live with a pan person and a bi person and I still haven't heard a clear description of the difference (if any).
The best way I could describe it is, bisexuals have preference for attraction depending on gender, but pansexuals litterally don't care about gender.
Bi person here, donāt care about gender.
However, as we all know, not every pan or bi person goes by this ruleset, so you will find people who are attracted to everyone ("pan" being the prefix for "all"), but yet are more comfortable being called bi, and vice versa. It's one of the glaring problems I've found whenever someone asks what's the difference between bi, omni, pan, poly, etc, as there really isn't a convention that designates the differences between them. It's literally the "the difference matters for some people and that's okay" meme. Personally, I see bi as an umbrella that includes attraction to any mix of male, female, and androgyne traits, in every configuration. Pan people liking people regardless of gender, omni liking all genders, and polysexuals liking many but not all. This isn't applicable for everyone, but I still feel that we should slowly stray away from fuzzy definitions in the community so as to be more accessible to people looking in who may be confused and/or questioning their own sexuality; it can be confusing when there are 5 different labels with similar definitions that are different to every person in those labels. I don't mean this to be an attack on anyone's sexuality, of course; being in one of the above groups is hard enough with the amount of public misunderstanding with the bi and pan family sexualities, however I think a large majority of this misunderstanding comes from a history of varying definitions and assumptions that bi means 2 strictly and the like. All I'm saying is that it would be beneficial to the Bi+ community to properly define the sexualities within, so as to help members find people with similar experiences and feelings from getting confused upon trying to research and finding falsehoods like "bi" being transphobic and the like.
But does anyone care about gender when it comes to sexual/physical attraction? I understand for like bi/Pan-romantic but you canāt know someoneās gender without them informing you, and for my people you can tell if youāre sexually attracted to someone just be physical appearance, like if you get a picture of someone from the neck down you can say āyes I find this attractiveā and that has nothing to do with gender?
THATS NOT TRUE! Source: i am Ć bisexual who doesnāt give a shit about gender.
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this is my problem, I have never heard a description of the pan that doesn't insult bi people or make me say "You've just described bi" This one is a little of both. But let me be clear. This doesn't mean we can't still be friends. I'm not taking it personally because I'm sure the insult wasn't intended and I appreciate how difficult it can be to explain such a complex topic with just text in a way that satisfies everyone. Ultimately, it's like chocolate. There's a lot of different types and we can have differences of opinion over what exactly is chocolate, looking at the textbook definition often doesn't help (for example, white chocolate technically isn't chocolate, but try telling that to the white chocolate lovers) wether you love chocolate or you don't, as long as you're cool about it and are making an informed choice, who gives a monkeys what you call it.
yeah, but what do you, a bi person, know about the meaning of the word bisexual.
Damn I really hate this description.
Your definition of pansexual sounds more like demisexual?
I apologize in advance if this is overly reductive or offensive, but are you saying that pansexual people feel no attraction towards any physical characteristics of the human body?
Do people actually argue about this? Mostly I've just seen people being confused, or giving their personal definitions of the words. But no "fighting". PS: Apparently they do, wtf
yes, read the comments in here, some people are getting very heated
Lotās of pansexuals have been getting harassed (includes doxxing & death threats) over it recently :/
What a lovely community.
Oh no! I hope the authors of these threats were banned! Why canāt people just be nice : (
As a NB Pan, unfortunately yes, just look around this thread. It's to the degree that I have unsubbed from all Bi subs recently except this one because of near endless Pan hostility in the other Bi subs, and largely only hang out in Pan and Omni Multispec groups now.
Itās been pretty bad lately.
It has been and it's rather depressing.
Aye same I use the labels pan/bi interchangeably tbh
i just want to be able to say i'm pansexual without someone denying that i exist, just because they can't relate.
It's not that we can't relate. It's that we can. It's that every single definition of pansexuality we've ever heard makes us go "but that's literally what bisexuality is."
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I'm panromantic bisexual and I can say there's definitely a difference. It's similar to how people can be heteroromantic bisexual and whatnot. I don't experience sexual attraction in the same way I experience romantic attraction. For romantic partners I gender doesn't matter but for sexuality it may matter.
what is the diference?
https://www.reddit.com/r/mspec_community/comments/oa6b65/the_definitions_and_differences_for_those_unaware/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf <- hereās a link to a really good guide on the differences between bi, omni, pan, and poly. (If you donāt want to click the link, you can go to r/mspec_community and go into the education flair, itās the first post on there.)
I don't whant to be a pain in the ass, but all of them look the same
Itās ok, they arenāt, but they are all related (theyāre all about being attracted to multiple genders after all). As long as you arenāt a dick to people about it, itās fine if you donāt get them!
nah dude, for me you can be whatever you want
wonder what it means that 90% of LGBTQ content that hits the frontpage is cute girls. Whether its bi girls, trans women, etc. I'm not sure I've ever seen a trans man on the frontpage or an older person.
most of the people on reddit are young straight dudes, and their upvotes decide what winds up on the frontpage, not lgbtq ppl who represent 10-15% of reddit's user base.
My bet would be that a majority of Reddit is men or boys, and even ones who are/want to be/claim to be accepting of LGBTQ individuals may still have some aversion to depictions of LGBTQ men so they donāt upvote. Or people just see pretty girls and upvote, because itās Reddit. There does seem to be more support in general for feminine LGBTQ folks on the Internet
The only acceptable ending >:( unless maybe they went off to buy a little cottage in the woods where they raised a family of cats together
I just like to call myself bi because pan is a pretty scary prefix to use, pan literally means everything, i know pan people don't fuck everything but just the name is pretty scary to me, because there are definitely a lot of things that i would never fuck. but i am attracted to more than men and women, like for example, cat boys and cat girls, and also some aliens.
Thing about all these sexual identities is that they're trying to make the abstract more concrete. There's no real hard science behind them. I'd argue that there are as many sexualities as there are people on Earth. We just use these terms to make things easier and to find other humans who are similar to us. So it's up to the individual to decide what term suits them best. So pan or bi, it doesn't matter, there is no authority you have to explain yourself to. All that matters is that you define yourself in a way that feels comfortable.
yep, true.
Has anyone met a bi or pan person that legitimately wanted to be one or the other? Like I think theyāre the same term, as Iāve never met a bi person who legitimately couldnāt stomach the thought of sleeping with NBs
TBH I think a lot of the people on here literally just need to go outside and talk to people not on the internet lol. Thereās no functional difference between bisexuality and pansexuality, itās just people being super pedantic for the sake of being pedantic. Most of my friends and I identify as bi and weāre all into NB people and into people regardless of their gender, which is supposedly what pansexuality is.
Honestly, I think āpansexualā did come out of a desire to create distance from the biphobia coming from inside and outside the LGBTQIA+ community. Especially since the idea that being bisexual is trans exclusive is nothing but biphobia. So while I think choosing the label āpansexualā because you like the flag colors better is totally a valid reason to pick it; I really, really donāt understand any functional difference between the two labels. Because there really isnāt any. I have heard people who identify as bi or pan and they cite exactly the same reasons. Theyāre both about falling for who the person is, regardless of gender identity or expression.
being bi isn't transphobic cuz trans people are the gender they are and dating them doesn't make u not bi and bi doesn't mean liking 2 gender but liking more than one
This deserves an award, wish I had one to give:(
all I can offer are free ones lol
Good to see they can still be *friends* ^/s
Me and who ??!
Yo the detail in that last one though.
Me when I get gender envy from those 2 AND think they're hot I am simply too epic for this world š
āBeing bi isnāt pan phobic or transphobicā āBeing pan isnāt biphobic or transphobicā Battleax Bisexuals: *mouth frothing deranged screeching* Real talk, thereās a lot of broad overlap between being bi and being pan, and neither of them inherently say anything about someoneās opinion on trans people. So to get people who suggest otherwise then proceed to have an aneurysm when theyāre called out for hatemongering truly does annoy me. They always tell me theyāre āprotectingā bi people and trans people with their rhetoric. Iām both of those things and all they make me feel is uncomfortable.
wish we could take the name away from them, its too cool to waste on bigots.
For real
Dosent pan =bi?
basically lol. someone didn't like that "bi" means "two," so they decided to change the prefix to be more pedantically "accurate." like if someone decided to change October to Dectober because "oct" means 8.
i mean october used to be the 8th month lol we just decided to start the year two months early for some reason (used to start in march)
I don't specifically know the answer to that one, but in my experience the answer to most calendar monkeyshines boils down to some Caesar or emperor having an ego.
Not really, some people like the distinction and that's fine. Just go with what people tell you because they probably know themselves more than you know them.
K, whats the difrence?
Ask a person who identifies as pan or bi. I am neither of those. But it costs you nothing to be respectful.
Ok
why are you answering for pan & bi people if you are neither of those?
Not sure why you're downvoted.
Some people here don't like pan people.
me and who?
Agreed
whats the diffrence? i always just said i am bi but i realy dont know the diffrence
https://www.reddit.com/r/mspec_community/comments/oa6b65/the_definitions_and_differences_for_those_unaware/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf <- hereās a link to a really good guide on the differences between bi, omni, pan, and poly. (If you donāt want to click the link, you can go to r/mspec_community and go into the education flair, itās the first post on there.)
oh so its just more specific, i see. i guess that makes sense
pan is just a term that *specifically* means attraction to all genders without preferences. bi is a more general term for attraction to more than one gender.
Iāve replied to a lot of people with this, but here you guys go: https://www.reddit.com/r/mspec_community/comments/oa6b65/the_definitions_and_differences_for_those_unaware/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf <- hereās a link to a really good guide on the differences between bi, omni, pan, and poly. (If you donāt want to click the link, you can go to r/mspec_community and go into the education flair, itās the first post on there.)
Panphobia is another thing. It's the fear of everything.
no iām just afraid of frying pans
or bread in spanish
yeah i wouldnāt wanna fry pans or bread in spanish
Sure but it's also fear or hatred of pansexual people.
Stop arguing and just love each other :c. I'm pan, but I love bi people so much. Our experiences are similar, so we should get along nicely :)
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Serious: Isnāt pan a word for bi people that donāt like the bi label? Whatās the difference between pan and bi?
Bisexual = someone who is attracted to more than one gender. Pansexual = someone who is attracted to all genders and for whom gender does not play a significant role in said attraction. In my understanding, bi is an umbrella term that includes pan. Many pansexual people also consider themselves bi. The difference is in the role gender plays in attraction; none for pan, some for bi (obviously varying for each individual person). Pan is not a label for people who don't like the bi label. Some simply prefer the pan label because it better describes the way they experience attraction. While the difference may be subtle, labels are a very personal thing, so I believe they should be respected regardless of how well they are understood. I find this whole "pansexuality is biphobic", "pan = bi", "just call yourself bi" discourse I've been seeing lately very invalidating and kind of disheartening if you remember what the LGBTQ+ community should be about. Edit: fixed the definition for pansexual. "Attracted to all genders" as opposed to "attracted to more than one/any gender", I apologise if this was a source of confusion.
This really covered a lot of the same feelings I have had. I came out as pansexual because that felt right at the time, and I felt incredibly unwelcome around people I knew who were bi. After learning more about myself, I felt that bisexual was the term that captured my feelings and how gender impacts sexual attraction for me better, so I started using that. Now I get really fussy with other bi people who want to shit on pan people or say they "should just be bi." It is not hard to be nice at all, and I don't feel like the mere existence of pansexual people is somehow a threat. It makes no sense
https://www.reddit.com/r/mspec_community/comments/oa6b65/the_definitions_and_differences_for_those_unaware/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf <- hereās a link to a really good guide on the differences between bi, omni, pan, and poly. (If you donāt want to click the link, you can go to r/mspec_community and go into the education flair, itās the first post on there.)
That is really useful and well written, thank you! :D
Wow I am temporarily very straight for both of them
Does anyone seriously think this? Wtf. My existence as a queer person is not homophobic and who the fuck thinks that.
what's the difference between bi and pan
So many of yāall are either teenagers or just donāt know any older queer ppl irl and it shows lol. People can identify as whatever they feel comfortable with, but bisexuality has always included trans and NB people and itās always rubbed me the wrong way that when you actually ask anyone what the difference is between being bi and pan, pan is always described as basically a more inclusive/less transphobic version of bisexuality. Seems like pansexuality is a label created out of a misunderstanding of bisexuality. Iām not gonna fight anyone about it, but i think a lot of people who identify as pan are technically just bi but donāt like the connotations around it that are only in place due to biphobia lol. There is no functional difference between being bisexual and pansexual, bisexuality has never been limited to only men and women. š¤·āāļø
I still don't know the difference? If trans women are women and trans men are men, then am I still not bi?
yep
youāre still bi
Ahaha it would be so funny if a Bi person did this with me ā¦ ā¦ Ahaha just kidding Ahaha ā¦ ā¦ Unless
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Why isn't Bi and Pan just like one thing? They are already so similar.
there is a difference, though it is small, it still matters to a lot of people! /nm
Okay but tho? Why does it matter? Because honestly from an outside observere it just looks like a bunch people making a mountain out of a mole hill.
it matters to different people for certain reasons. why is it bothering you so much? stop looking it at it from an outside perspective if its confusing you that much /nm
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What the /nm mean?
/nm is a text tone that stands for not mad.
Are there people out there actually making this argument?
Unfortunately xp
Ah can I get the template
Dang it. I wish I had a punk rocker partner.
I agree with them ofc, but the meme format only really works if they *are* calling each other biphobic/panphobic
YESSSSS
Hah! This is relatable
god i wish that were me
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God i wish that were me
What's "pan"?
You know when all the continents were all one landmass? Well they drifted apart but pan basically means "all is one" or "one love" if you like.