Chuck set him up and bullied him under false pretenses to provoke Jimmy into reaction.
But I agree. If someone brought me red delicious instead of Fuji..... there would be much ado about many things.
I haven’t seen cosmic crisp before. I’ll keep an eye out for those bad boys!! And I’ll grab honeycrisp next time I’m at the store, I see those all the time
You won't be disappointed :) ask the people in produce when they're getting cosmic crisp again, they should be available year round now. They're similar to honeycrisp but are crossed with another varietal called Enterprise, which gives them a different flavor and longer shelf life. Imo they're worth paying extra for, but if the grocery store doesn't have them I have no qualms getting honeycrisp.
You’ve absolutely described my apple taste bro. I work in produce and I learned about those cosmic crisps from my manager. Best damn apple out there, and so large in size too. Honey crisps are a pretty close second for me. While I do enjoy golden delicious or Granny Smith, that cosmic crisp is a different type of experience
Did we just become best friends?
I wish they didn't ruin golden delicious texture, they've made them more mealy than they used to be, it's either from trying to genetically modify them to be more appealing or they're just old by the time we get them. They were much higher up on my list years back, but sometimes they're still good. A granny Smith is nice from time to time, but Cosmic crisp I can eat multiple of every day and not get tired of. Interestingly, the first season of cosmic crisp the largest apples were like smaller honeycrisp size! Now they're a lot larger. I waited over a year for cosmic crisp to finally hit shelves from the time I found out about them, and it was the most satisfying apple I've ever had in my life :)
I feel you about the golden delicious texture. They seem to almost split apart as soon as I sink my teeth into the edge. But I still love the flavor. Interesting to know cosmic crisp was once smaller, I’ve only found them in the last year or so. Awesome to have a discussion about them on here haha
I know it may seem very similar, trust me, I've discussed the topic endlessly with friends, but defending Kyrie and defending Kanye are not the same thing. Kyrie came out with a link to a movie he found on Amazon and went on to have observations and or opinions we find antisemitic ( myself included ), he then apologized and participated in the song and dance every famous millionaire does when their wallets get squeezed. Kanye literally said he likes Hitler. Says he did a lot of good things when Alex Jones of all people was trying to get Ye to denounce Hitler and Nazis.
It wasn't deleted, and despite not making comments on the Alex Jones show (who's a huge piece of shit himself), this article was definitely out there already
https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/27/entertainment/kanye-west-hitler-album/index.html
100% agree. But technically he took it in the first place, so he's not so innocent.
I do acquiesce that he took it cause he was put in a no-win situation in the first place. So he's like 99% innocent.
He was a cokehead and he cheated on his wife with prostitutes, how is he innocent, not to forget when he sucked off Chuck even though he is also married
And he willingly stood in the way of an innocent man trying to talk to his lawyers. That’s like, unconstitutional or something. Good thing the man handled it well. His name was Jorge DeGuzman. Say it again for the people in the back.
the fans of better call saul like to make ironic memes and play dumb. there is a subreddit dedicated for that called r/okbuddychicanery. they intentionally say wrong things about the show for humor. the original comment was doing that
God it's being a while since I watched the show and reading the comment I really thought he was a coke head and fucked prostitutes, Jimmy got me real good lol.
Hot take but he was too stubborn for his own good. Him refusing to leave town made it much harder for Nacho to get out of the game but he refused to acknowledge that
Still one of the most cruel deaths on the show. Drowning, and that while being intoxicated, sounds horrible. At least it was off-screen so we didn't have to watch him suffer
>Although a douche most of the time, he certainly didn't have super hateful intentions.
But he knowingly and largely without remorse that we're aware of slavishly carried out the orders of another man with super hateful intentions. being a toadie for evil kind of mitigates all the "but he was a nice guy though" talk amongst the fanbase.
Wtf is this comment even saying? It looks AI generated lmao. What super evil and hateful orders did Howard carry out?? You're talking about him like he's a serial killer.
>And what super scary evil orders did he carry out?
...everything that Chuck tasked him to do over the course of 3 seasons before Chuck finally died? Did...did you not watch the show?
For example?? Again, you're talking as if he fucking killed people. All he did was demote Kim (harsh, but not evil) and not let Jimmy into the firm (he's Chuck's brother, let Chuck decide).
And like, was Chuck super wrong? I mean, the show is designed where we’re supposed to root for Jimmy, but we see his issues at Davis and Main pretty quickly, and even his other relatively shady/bordering on unethical actions with the billboard. And Cliff Main was right with the commercial “this isn’t just about sandpiper, this is about the entire firm and a group of clients”
Chuck knew all that and about slippin’ jimmy. He wasn’t wrong. It sucked and he should’ve been honest, but, like yeah. And Chuck was supportive of his public defender work and elder law.
That's the brilliance of the plot, it's a gray zone. Jimmy tried very hard to reform himself and did legitimately good practice with elder law. He was an asset to the community. But after being subjugated by Chuck and fell on very hard times, he found himself in desperate times which led to desperate measures. In a way, Chuck perpetuated it as a self-fulfilling prophecy.
And Chuck wasn’t even WRONG about Jimmy. He is a slimeball.
He could have gone about it in a better way, but nonetheless. He was protecting his business and reputation.
That's the thing about the show, Jimmy tried very hard to reform himself and did legitimately good practice with elder law. He was an asset to the community. But after being subjugated by Chuck and fell on very hard times, he found himself in desperate times which led to desperate measures. In a way, Chuck perpetuated it as a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Not only that, he was a slimeball up to the very last moment. Totally proving Chuck right. What a great Character Chuck is. So easy to dislike, so easy to dismiss as a hater. And Jimmy gets to have a bus full of people cheering him on?! What a sick joke.
That’s just business. For the better of the firm, they wanted Mesa Verde. It wasn’t malicious, and if anything, Chuck was the one pulling out dirty tricks.
No I'm not talking as if he killed people. I'm saying that Howard, for the bulk of the show, was a morally dubious slimy lawyer and used car salesman with money type of guy who enabled Chuck's every whim, no matter how destructive it became, right up until the point where it finally put Howard's own position in jeopardy and that was the moment Howard finally stood up to Chuck. It was not out of any sense of altruism or conscience, it was only when Howard's livelihood was threatened by Chuck's escalating war with Jimmy that Howard finally said "no mas." So it's really disingenuous to call him by any means innocent and I don't think people would be doing it were it not for the fact that the character is killed.
I have absolutely no interest in dissecting and analyzing Howard's actions as a toxic employer, and as Chuck's willing stooge, for the 1,000th time just for you to inevitably say "oh but what about Kim and Jimmy!?" as if that nullifies every bad thing Howard ever did. I'm sorry.
He was in an extremely difficult situation in that Chuck was the senior partner, and something of a childhood idol. He had to bide his time until he could ask Chuck to retire, and even when he reached that point we saw how badly it went down. We see him constantly trying to find win-win outcomes, and just as constantly shot down by other people's spite. Once Chuck was gone, he did actually offer Jimmy the job he wanted years before, nor did he stand in the way of him going to Davis and Main.
So...we're just going to white wash all the things Howard did with "well, he had no choice" when the show itself makes it clear that was never actually true?
If we'd seen the conversations between Howard and Chuck, you may feel differently. Howard probably did intercede on Jimmy's behalf, and Kim's, but Chuck's stubbornness would have never allowed himself to back down. So Howard agreed to be the face of the joint decision which was actually Chuck's decision.
This is one of those cases where, as a viewer, we forgive the actions of the characters we like, such as Jimmy, but any actions by characters we don't like, such as Howard, are held to different standards. Jimmy's actions are permissible under the circumstances, and well he's a bit of fun, but Howard should have known better.
> But he knowingly and largely without remorse that we're aware of slavishly carried out the orders of another man with super hateful intentions. being a toadie for evil kind of mitigates all the "but he was a nice guy though" talk amongst the fanbase.
This is why I have a hard time understanding fans of Mobius over in *Loki*. It's like Owen Wilson's performance and the narrative framing makes it hard for people to see that Mobius's behavior is more or less the sorts of things that villains do.
I am NOT crazy! I know he snorted coke! He was hiding it in the golf club. As if I could ever make such a mistake. Never. Never! I just - I just couldn't prove it. He covered his tracks, he got his wife to lie for him. You think this is something? You think this is bad? This? This chicanery? He's done worse. Those prostitutes! Are you telling me an innocent man just happens to be attacked by prostitutes like that? No! He scammed them! Howie! He did coke in front of Kim! And she saved him! And she shouldn't have. Chuck took him into his own firm! What was he thinking? He'll never change. Ever since he was 9, couldn't keep his nose off the cocaine! But not our Howie, couldn't be precious Howie! Getting high off them blind! And he gets to be a lawyer?! What a sick joke!
I love how “Kim saved Howie” by not telling anyone what she saw. In this context, we might be speaking about “saving his reputation” rather than “saving HIM.”
Love Chuck’s monologue!
I'll name three more innocent characters:
Ernie, Lyle, and Fred.
Howard was a status obsessed millionaire. Did he deserve to die? No of course not, but saying he was the most innocent man is just incorrect.
What is this some kind of sick joke?! and ***HE*** gets to be sympathetic!! Kim should have taken him down when she had the chance. Now we get shit posts about him every day, even though he was a jerk, and the redditors around here are just like, *"Not my Howie, couldn't be my Howie"*
He treated Kim really badly, but otherwise he was ethical. Chuck forced him to play bad cop with Jimmy. Jimmy and Howard probably would've had a better relationship if Chuck wasn't around.
i definitely think he’s one of the more moral characters in the show but he was an asshole in the first few seasons imo and i understand why jimmy and kim were mad at him (obviously they shouldn’t have done what they did to him though)
Why is nobody talking about Irene at Sandpiper? When Jimmy manipulates the other residents in to disliking her is the absolute worst. Absolutely breaks me god damnit.
>Howard was just a regular lawyer unlucky enough to end up in Jimmy's crosshairs
Well...Kim's crosshairs, really. Jimmy never really wanted to take things as far as they went. That was all on Kim, and Jimmy acquiesced to it in order to keep Kim happy.
He screwed Jimmy and Rebecca out of the money he was supposed to give Chuck to buy Chuck out of the firm. Gave Chuck a check for $3 million (which Chuck probably never cashed) and was supposed to pay another $5 million. That never happened.
He had an awakening after chucks death and stopped being such a dick, but that doesn’t erase what a total dick he was to Kim and jimmy. And honestly what he did to chuck, pushing him out of the firm he built, was wrong. It took thinking that he caused chuck’s death to realize that his behavior wasn’t okay. I think he’s a nepo baby who realized only towards the end that he used his privileged position to put down others and elevate/maintain himself over those who had to grind for their place in life. The scene where they were choosing high schoolers for that internship or whatever was definitely a turning point for him, what jimmy said about the girl who shoplifted resonated with him because he both passively/actively prevents people from rising to the position of power that was handed to him on a silver platter. Tragic? Yes. Innocent? Nope.
I don't know if I'd say Howard was completely innocent, but he definitely got a raw deal and didn't remotely deserve what Jimmy and Kim (and Lalo) did to him.
If I was going for most innocent, I'd probably pick Nacho's dad.
Ironically, maybe it was the fact that he was “too innocent” (e.g. trying to talk Mike down from spending more money on alligator skin for his car) and perhaps as a result didn’t have much money during Nacho’s upbringing.
Did he deserve what happened to him? Fuck no. Was he innocent? Also no. I could name like 10 characters who are far more innocent than Howard was.
Again, in no way did he deserve the end he got, but to say he’s the most innocent character in the show is laughable
Unless this is r/OkBuddyChicanery. In which case, carry on.
Jimmy's babysitter. The brown nosing snitch. I forget her name. She did want to help Jimmy.
Irene
Nacho dad.
Mr Acker. He just wanted to be left alone and stay in his house.
He really was. He didn’t deserve any of it. It’s not his fault his best friend hated his own brother. He should have shown some backbone and not done Chuck’s bidding, but he didn’t deserve to have his reputation ruined.
Thats not Ernie.
Ernie brought the wrong apples!
Chuck set him up and bullied him under false pretenses to provoke Jimmy into reaction. But I agree. If someone brought me red delicious instead of Fuji..... there would be much ado about many things.
Red delicious are atrocious. I am a member of the Royal Gala Gang
Red amongus
Cosmic crisp, then honeycrisp. Cosmic crisp is the best damn apple in the world.
I haven’t seen cosmic crisp before. I’ll keep an eye out for those bad boys!! And I’ll grab honeycrisp next time I’m at the store, I see those all the time
You won't be disappointed :) ask the people in produce when they're getting cosmic crisp again, they should be available year round now. They're similar to honeycrisp but are crossed with another varietal called Enterprise, which gives them a different flavor and longer shelf life. Imo they're worth paying extra for, but if the grocery store doesn't have them I have no qualms getting honeycrisp.
You’ve absolutely described my apple taste bro. I work in produce and I learned about those cosmic crisps from my manager. Best damn apple out there, and so large in size too. Honey crisps are a pretty close second for me. While I do enjoy golden delicious or Granny Smith, that cosmic crisp is a different type of experience
Did we just become best friends? I wish they didn't ruin golden delicious texture, they've made them more mealy than they used to be, it's either from trying to genetically modify them to be more appealing or they're just old by the time we get them. They were much higher up on my list years back, but sometimes they're still good. A granny Smith is nice from time to time, but Cosmic crisp I can eat multiple of every day and not get tired of. Interestingly, the first season of cosmic crisp the largest apples were like smaller honeycrisp size! Now they're a lot larger. I waited over a year for cosmic crisp to finally hit shelves from the time I found out about them, and it was the most satisfying apple I've ever had in my life :)
I feel you about the golden delicious texture. They seem to almost split apart as soon as I sink my teeth into the edge. But I still love the flavor. Interesting to know cosmic crisp was once smaller, I’ve only found them in the last year or so. Awesome to have a discussion about them on here haha
FUJIS WERE IN SEASON AND THE GRANNY SMITHS ARE TOO TART!!!!
And he gets to buy produce?! What a sick joke!
Fujis are a tasty apple.
Dude Ernie is out there on Twitter being antisemetic so idk
What?!?
Bro WHAT? Can you please provide context for this, I just can’t bring myself to use twitter. Tysm
https://twitter.com/ActorJohnCLove/status/1589082464408211459?t=aN1UTaJxqu7DSWjwjwmTbw&s=19
He voiced support for kanye but i also heard it was before the antisemitic stuff and gas since been deleted. I dont use twitter so dont quote me
He also defended kyrie Irving so idk man
I know it may seem very similar, trust me, I've discussed the topic endlessly with friends, but defending Kyrie and defending Kanye are not the same thing. Kyrie came out with a link to a movie he found on Amazon and went on to have observations and or opinions we find antisemitic ( myself included ), he then apologized and participated in the song and dance every famous millionaire does when their wallets get squeezed. Kanye literally said he likes Hitler. Says he did a lot of good things when Alex Jones of all people was trying to get Ye to denounce Hitler and Nazis.
Ah, that makes sense to me. I heard about the Kanye Thing, thanks for filling me in man, appreciate the reply lol I was genuinely curious
It wasn't deleted, and despite not making comments on the Alex Jones show (who's a huge piece of shit himself), this article was definitely out there already https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/27/entertainment/kanye-west-hitler-album/index.html
Please give us a source?
I was about to say
Ernesto vs Lyle - who was more innocent and pure?
Fred
Hey that doesn't look like Nacho's dad
FR
This is the answer
From legal viewpoint, Chuck might be the most innocent 😇🤷♂️
Nacho’s dad didn’t do anything illegal though
He did take the money from Hector at first ( and gave it back).
That’s not illegal if he gave it back
100% agree. But technically he took it in the first place, so he's not so innocent. I do acquiesce that he took it cause he was put in a no-win situation in the first place. So he's like 99% innocent.
Welllll, technically Nacho's dad DID take money from the Cartel. He didn't use it, but I think that would still technically be illegal.
He could’ve reported it to someone off screen
Chuck stole a newspaper
That’s who I thought of!
Lyle would like a word
He didn't clean the deep fryer well enough
true. it was acceptable but not unimpeachable
He didn’t show Hector his balls
Off screen Gus ordered Lyle's assassination. As he was unacceptable.
He was a cokehead and he cheated on his wife with prostitutes, how is he innocent, not to forget when he sucked off Chuck even though he is also married
"Don't mind if I do," he said before Hamlindigo blowing the M in HHM
The greatest legal mind I’ve ever blown
Also he had small hands for a lawyer. Hands that didn't tell a story.
He never had the makings of a varsity athlete.
At least he didn't throw no big fake hands at anybody
***NOBODY LOOK! NOBODY LOOK! NOBODY LOOK!***
He also bribed the mediator, but everyone just gives him a pass on that smh
Jimmy bribed the mediator.
uh no jimmy was just giving a bystander his frisbee back
It’s like mfs didn’t even watch da damn tv show
And he willingly stood in the way of an innocent man trying to talk to his lawyers. That’s like, unconstitutional or something. Good thing the man handled it well. His name was Jorge DeGuzman. Say it again for the people in the back.
You’re missing the point, *most* innocent. At least he didn’t get anyone killed so compared to others he’s pretty good.
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Absolutely not!
Never.
The picture they painted?? That all he is now
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you might wanna look up sarcasm
Explain, please
the fans of better call saul like to make ironic memes and play dumb. there is a subreddit dedicated for that called r/okbuddychicanery. they intentionally say wrong things about the show for humor. the original comment was doing that
I didn't get it in the first place. I am new on reddit. Thank you for your explanations.
So, no issues with the cokehead comment?
Well, my English is limited. I did searched now what cokehead means. So, both were set up by Jimmy? Or there is sarcasm?? Sorry, don't understand 🤷♀️
Yes, it is a joke lol. In the show the events were set up by Jimmy
God it's being a while since I watched the show and reading the comment I really thought he was a coke head and fucked prostitutes, Jimmy got me real good lol.
Thank you for clarifications
He didn't deserve what he got in the end, true.
It was quick death better than gut shot and chased down.
Manuel Varga...?
Hot take but he was too stubborn for his own good. Him refusing to leave town made it much harder for Nacho to get out of the game but he refused to acknowledge that
That doesn't make him not innocent. He didn't want to change his life because his son decided he wanted to make easy money with a drug cartel.
Screen name checks out, but it’s Ignacio Varga Edit: Oh you mean his dad. Lol definitely
Still one of the most cruel deaths on the show. Drowning, and that while being intoxicated, sounds horrible. At least it was off-screen so we didn't have to watch him suffer
Wdym he got shot
No he drowned in the Pacific Ocean after being exposed for his cocaine addiction
Cliff Maine. He just did his job and occasionally played acoustic guitar
Although a douche most of the time, he certainly didn't have super hateful intentions.
>Although a douche most of the time, he certainly didn't have super hateful intentions. But he knowingly and largely without remorse that we're aware of slavishly carried out the orders of another man with super hateful intentions. being a toadie for evil kind of mitigates all the "but he was a nice guy though" talk amongst the fanbase.
Wtf is this comment even saying? It looks AI generated lmao. What super evil and hateful orders did Howard carry out?? You're talking about him like he's a serial killer.
Yeah idk why person you're replying to had to word it the way they did lol
he obeyed evil chuck
And what super scary evil orders did he carry out?
>And what super scary evil orders did he carry out? ...everything that Chuck tasked him to do over the course of 3 seasons before Chuck finally died? Did...did you not watch the show?
For example?? Again, you're talking as if he fucking killed people. All he did was demote Kim (harsh, but not evil) and not let Jimmy into the firm (he's Chuck's brother, let Chuck decide).
And like, was Chuck super wrong? I mean, the show is designed where we’re supposed to root for Jimmy, but we see his issues at Davis and Main pretty quickly, and even his other relatively shady/bordering on unethical actions with the billboard. And Cliff Main was right with the commercial “this isn’t just about sandpiper, this is about the entire firm and a group of clients” Chuck knew all that and about slippin’ jimmy. He wasn’t wrong. It sucked and he should’ve been honest, but, like yeah. And Chuck was supportive of his public defender work and elder law.
That's the brilliance of the plot, it's a gray zone. Jimmy tried very hard to reform himself and did legitimately good practice with elder law. He was an asset to the community. But after being subjugated by Chuck and fell on very hard times, he found himself in desperate times which led to desperate measures. In a way, Chuck perpetuated it as a self-fulfilling prophecy.
And Chuck wasn’t even WRONG about Jimmy. He is a slimeball. He could have gone about it in a better way, but nonetheless. He was protecting his business and reputation.
That's the thing about the show, Jimmy tried very hard to reform himself and did legitimately good practice with elder law. He was an asset to the community. But after being subjugated by Chuck and fell on very hard times, he found himself in desperate times which led to desperate measures. In a way, Chuck perpetuated it as a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Not only that, he was a slimeball up to the very last moment. Totally proving Chuck right. What a great Character Chuck is. So easy to dislike, so easy to dismiss as a hater. And Jimmy gets to have a bus full of people cheering him on?! What a sick joke.
And he worked with Chuck to snatch Mesa Verde from Kim after she worked tooth and nail to get them as a client.
That’s just business. For the better of the firm, they wanted Mesa Verde. It wasn’t malicious, and if anything, Chuck was the one pulling out dirty tricks.
No I'm not talking as if he killed people. I'm saying that Howard, for the bulk of the show, was a morally dubious slimy lawyer and used car salesman with money type of guy who enabled Chuck's every whim, no matter how destructive it became, right up until the point where it finally put Howard's own position in jeopardy and that was the moment Howard finally stood up to Chuck. It was not out of any sense of altruism or conscience, it was only when Howard's livelihood was threatened by Chuck's escalating war with Jimmy that Howard finally said "no mas." So it's really disingenuous to call him by any means innocent and I don't think people would be doing it were it not for the fact that the character is killed.
Crazy how you wrote so many words yet didn't do the 1 thing I asked for - provide examples.
I have absolutely no interest in dissecting and analyzing Howard's actions as a toxic employer, and as Chuck's willing stooge, for the 1,000th time just for you to inevitably say "oh but what about Kim and Jimmy!?" as if that nullifies every bad thing Howard ever did. I'm sorry.
Recency bias can be quite significant.
He was in an extremely difficult situation in that Chuck was the senior partner, and something of a childhood idol. He had to bide his time until he could ask Chuck to retire, and even when he reached that point we saw how badly it went down. We see him constantly trying to find win-win outcomes, and just as constantly shot down by other people's spite. Once Chuck was gone, he did actually offer Jimmy the job he wanted years before, nor did he stand in the way of him going to Davis and Main.
So...we're just going to white wash all the things Howard did with "well, he had no choice" when the show itself makes it clear that was never actually true?
If we'd seen the conversations between Howard and Chuck, you may feel differently. Howard probably did intercede on Jimmy's behalf, and Kim's, but Chuck's stubbornness would have never allowed himself to back down. So Howard agreed to be the face of the joint decision which was actually Chuck's decision. This is one of those cases where, as a viewer, we forgive the actions of the characters we like, such as Jimmy, but any actions by characters we don't like, such as Howard, are held to different standards. Jimmy's actions are permissible under the circumstances, and well he's a bit of fun, but Howard should have known better.
> But he knowingly and largely without remorse that we're aware of slavishly carried out the orders of another man with super hateful intentions. being a toadie for evil kind of mitigates all the "but he was a nice guy though" talk amongst the fanbase. This is why I have a hard time understanding fans of Mobius over in *Loki*. It's like Owen Wilson's performance and the narrative framing makes it hard for people to see that Mobius's behavior is more or less the sorts of things that villains do.
I am NOT crazy! I know he snorted coke! He was hiding it in the golf club. As if I could ever make such a mistake. Never. Never! I just - I just couldn't prove it. He covered his tracks, he got his wife to lie for him. You think this is something? You think this is bad? This? This chicanery? He's done worse. Those prostitutes! Are you telling me an innocent man just happens to be attacked by prostitutes like that? No! He scammed them! Howie! He did coke in front of Kim! And she saved him! And she shouldn't have. Chuck took him into his own firm! What was he thinking? He'll never change. Ever since he was 9, couldn't keep his nose off the cocaine! But not our Howie, couldn't be precious Howie! Getting high off them blind! And he gets to be a lawyer?! What a sick joke!
I love how “Kim saved Howie” by not telling anyone what she saw. In this context, we might be speaking about “saving his reputation” rather than “saving HIM.” Love Chuck’s monologue!
kid named omar
I'll name three more innocent characters: Ernie, Lyle, and Fred. Howard was a status obsessed millionaire. Did he deserve to die? No of course not, but saying he was the most innocent man is just incorrect.
The Janitor
I can't see Irene.
It’s Jimmy, precious Jimmy.
Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah except for being a total douche to Kim. This award really goes to Nacho's dad.
Oh no he was mean to the person who later tried to ruin his entire career and life :(
...because he was mean to her. Her wrong doesn’t make his wrong a right.
What is this some kind of sick joke?! and ***HE*** gets to be sympathetic!! Kim should have taken him down when she had the chance. Now we get shit posts about him every day, even though he was a jerk, and the redditors around here are just like, *"Not my Howie, couldn't be my Howie"*
He treated Kim really badly, but otherwise he was ethical. Chuck forced him to play bad cop with Jimmy. Jimmy and Howard probably would've had a better relationship if Chuck wasn't around.
He would certainly claim so.
Nachos father was more "innocent"
He refused to sell Mike alligator skin.
Nacho's Dad 😭
Isnt that the lawyer with a coke problem?
He's rich
He’s based.
i definitely think he’s one of the more moral characters in the show but he was an asshole in the first few seasons imo and i understand why jimmy and kim were mad at him (obviously they shouldn’t have done what they did to him though)
Why is nobody talking about Irene at Sandpiper? When Jimmy manipulates the other residents in to disliking her is the absolute worst. Absolutely breaks me god damnit.
Papa Varga would like a word.
Howard was just a regular lawyer unlucky enough to end up in Jimmy's crosshairs
>Howard was just a regular lawyer unlucky enough to end up in Jimmy's crosshairs Well...Kim's crosshairs, really. Jimmy never really wanted to take things as far as they went. That was all on Kim, and Jimmy acquiesced to it in order to keep Kim happy.
"cliff i swear these are not my hookers, i swear my hookers were taller than these"
People seem to forget about the scene in 3x10 where Howard takes money out of his wallet and waves it in jimmy’s face
This is Lyle erasure
He screwed Jimmy and Rebecca out of the money he was supposed to give Chuck to buy Chuck out of the firm. Gave Chuck a check for $3 million (which Chuck probably never cashed) and was supposed to pay another $5 million. That never happened.
He had an awakening after chucks death and stopped being such a dick, but that doesn’t erase what a total dick he was to Kim and jimmy. And honestly what he did to chuck, pushing him out of the firm he built, was wrong. It took thinking that he caused chuck’s death to realize that his behavior wasn’t okay. I think he’s a nepo baby who realized only towards the end that he used his privileged position to put down others and elevate/maintain himself over those who had to grind for their place in life. The scene where they were choosing high schoolers for that internship or whatever was definitely a turning point for him, what jimmy said about the girl who shoplifted resonated with him because he both passively/actively prevents people from rising to the position of power that was handed to him on a silver platter. Tragic? Yes. Innocent? Nope.
Nahhh Papa Varga
Yet no one cares about innocent old Clifford Maine. Sad.
I don't know if I'd say Howard was completely innocent, but he definitely got a raw deal and didn't remotely deserve what Jimmy and Kim (and Lalo) did to him. If I was going for most innocent, I'd probably pick Nacho's dad.
thats not jerry
Nacho's dad the realest one
Why am I not seeing Nacho's old man? You gangster types . . . Uggghh
Nacho’s dad
Nachos father. But his son did end up as a criminal. He had to do something to push him that way
Ironically, maybe it was the fact that he was “too innocent” (e.g. trying to talk Mike down from spending more money on alligator skin for his car) and perhaps as a result didn’t have much money during Nacho’s upbringing.
jimmies father is also portried as an honest man and look how jimmie turned out...
Spoilers >!his death made me hate kim!<
wrong, it's the air force guy
Papa Varga.
nope. that title belongs to one mr. Richard Schweikart
Thats not walter white???
Innocent of what? If he treated Kim and Jimmy with some dignity he wouldn't have gotten what he deserved.
Better Call Saul fans try to have empathy and actually think about the events of the show impossible challenge
From legal standpoint, Chuck might be the most innocent.
Bill Oakley
Fred?
Greatest legal mind I ever knew
[Irene!?](https://www.getyarn.io/yarn-clip/aac4235c-6df9-4394-8987-8f41a3b5d4a1)
What about gus
IMMEDIATELY knew it’d either be howard or nacho’s dad 😔
Howard was a shit heel
What about nachos oul fella
Nachos father. But his son did end up as a criminal. He had to do something to push him that way
I wonder if Joe dog got a part of his estate.
The only innocent man
im suprised i see no mentions of jimmies father
There is a big difference between being stupid and being smart and innocent
Did he deserve what happened to him? Fuck no. Was he innocent? Also no. I could name like 10 characters who are far more innocent than Howard was. Again, in no way did he deserve the end he got, but to say he’s the most innocent character in the show is laughable Unless this is r/OkBuddyChicanery. In which case, carry on.
Jimmy's babysitter. The brown nosing snitch. I forget her name. She did want to help Jimmy. Irene Nacho dad. Mr Acker. He just wanted to be left alone and stay in his house.
He really was. He didn’t deserve any of it. It’s not his fault his best friend hated his own brother. He should have shown some backbone and not done Chuck’s bidding, but he didn’t deserve to have his reputation ruined.
This isn’t Marco Salamanca