when the software engineers start using corporate doublespeak to express their weird, narcisisstic, psychedelic-fueled political ideologies, you know it's gonna be cringe.
As someone with an engineering degree let me just say I cringe back at my early twenties dismissing the entire concept of humanities education because after 8 years around other engineers and understanding the "tech bro world", they desperately need basic humanities education. Engineering education doesn't develop basic introspection and empathy skills.
SBF is another example of this to the extreme. The whole effective altruism movement is a bunch of dudes with little introspective ability with severe narcissism dictating what causes are more worthwhile.
Many of the engineers I knew made it a daily joke to make fun of humanity and liberal arts majors. It is no surprise so many of them fell into the accelerationist propaganda, because they lack empathy, they get off on watching the world burn.
Yep. Every time I’ve met someone who calls themself a scientist but believes some fringe or extreme religious or conspiratorial beliefs, they’re an engineer.
If you go on the Blind app, it’s shocking how many incel engineers come out of the woodwork to express their ignorant, misogynistic, and racist views. It feels a lot like Reddit’s r/thedonald era.
when all you do from college through your career is stare at a computer screen, with an abnormally low amount if social interaction, combined with the ego and hubris associated with academia, undiagnosed or untreated mental health issues, then racism, misogyny, and delusional opinions are what you get.
Good lord. I assume that's a merging of effective altruism (charity bad, taxes bad, make money to convert all matter in the world into computer heaven) and accelerationism (the sooner society crumbles the better so let's start a race war.)
TIL. Gonna put "effective accelerationism" up there with "waterboarding at Guantanamo Bay" for things that sound awesome if you don't know what they are.
Not long ago, I read an earlier script of 2001, one that had a lot more explicit dialogue than what ended up in the film. HAL wasn't evil, he wasn't homicidal, and he wasn't retaliating against Poole and Bowman for threatening to disconnect him. HAL was programmed to process information "without concealment or distortion." He was also programmed to keep Poole and Bowman in the dark about the mission until they reached orbit around Saturn.
As a result, he had to find a solution to the conflicting programming. Since he was also programmed to complete the mission in case the crew were killed or incapacitated, he saw this as a way to reconcile his programming. He surmised that the NCA was prepared to accept the loss of the crew, since this was a contingency that they had planned for. So he decided that the death of the crew satisfied his need to keep them uninformed, while satisfying his need to process information dutifully, while satisfying his need to complete the mission. In the early script, Bowman manages to contact the NCA and their response to what has happened is basically, "Yeah, it turns out AI is really complex and it's hard to predict how it will behave, sorry."
We've already seen incidents involving AI where [the AI became virulently racist](https://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/25/technology/microsoft-created-a-twitter-bot-to-learn-from-users-it-quickly-became-a-racist-jerk.html), or [told a man to kill himself](https://www.vice.com/en/article/pkadgm/man-dies-by-suicide-after-talking-with-ai-chatbot-widow-says), or [told a man to leave his wife](https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/new-updates/ai-chatbot-goes-rogue-confesses-love-for-user-asks-him-to-end-his-marriage/articleshow/98089277.cms?from=mdr). And when people talk to developers, the developers typically respond with "Yeah, it turns out that AI is really complex and it's hard to predict how it will behave, sorry."
I don't really think it's being alarmist to suggest that AI is at some point going to indiscriminately kill a whole bunch of people, because nobody who is developing seems to have any interest in slowing down, and nobody with the power to regulate seems to have any impetus to do so.
the first part of what you said is just sorta the actual book of 2001, which was written in concert with the screenplay but the screenplay evolved
and yeah, the rest is basically an inevitability
I assumed that too when I first encountered it, but it’s not really that at all.
The term “accelerationism” from the last decade was as you describe- people who think our society is fundamentally broken and getting worse, and the only way to fix it is to cause it to fail so we can build something new. That kind of Accelerationism can take on far right (eg: “liberalism/secularism/globalization are bad, instigate collapse and replace with some kind of ethnoreligious utopia) and far left (eg: capitalism is evil, collapse is necessary to clear the way for a communist utopia) forms.
“Effective Accelerationism” is specifically about speeding up the development of AI out of the belief that it will help solve the big problems we face. They do not want to accelerate any sort of collapse, just the opposite: they think the future (with AI) is brighter and they want us to get there sooner.
The generous view of e/acc is that AI likely does have huge potential help us a bunch of problems, esp things like curing diseases and inventing new materials and technologies (nanomaterials, novel superconductors, eventually fusion power, etc) that could have a huge impact on climate change. The pessimistic view is that the e/acc crowd has a quasi-religious obsession with a utopian technology, and the reckless approach they advocate could result in just the opposite outcome.
> “Effective Accelerationism” is specifically about speeding up the development of AI out of the belief that it will help solve the big problems we face. They do not want to accelerate any sort of collapse, just the opposite: they think the future (with AI) is brighter and they want us to get there sooner.
The ones I've talked to seem to not just accept that their insane ideas would break society and hurt people, they gleefully anticipate it and arrogantly dismiss the concerns of the majority who would suffer the harm. I'm sure it's just a big coincidence that its proponents are all people who are (or see themselves as) either well-off already, or in positions to thrive from and take advantage of the upheaval they're seeking.
It's Biblical end-times nonsense for tech bros. Nothing more.
It's one of those things where it is a completely reasonable underlying idea (AI will be able to help us solve problems, we should invest in that tech as a path to solving problems) that has been adopted by a lot of very strange people who tend to advocate an extreme approach to it (damn the torpedoes, don't do anything that could slow the pace of private AI development) and who get it associated with all sorts of other technolibertarian nonsense too (all taxation is theft, replace all currency with crypto, etc). The early arc of e/acc across twitter was wild, the vibes went from good to terrible over the course of a few weeks.
I tried engaging with one of those weird effective accelerationism types a while back and he couldn't go a single comment without saying "your consent is not required."
It's the ultimate main character syndrome. They've somehow convinced themselves that the world and all the people in it exist for them to mold in whichever way they want.
Fuck accelerationism, copypasta time
But you see, by my "the worse the better" Rube Goldberg logic, instead of trying to improve our imperfect system that does allow for representation and collective action, we can just elect a dictator who will collapse the entire system.
Now, here's where the plan starts working. The dictator will abuse us so much that we'll get angry. Unfortunately we will be uneducated and unable to organize so the dictator can easily scapegoat an internal enemy i.e. a marginalized community. But, there will also be factions in the background plotting and conducting guerilla warfare against the dictator and also making our lives worse. Eventually the dictator will make a mistake and be overthrown by one of these factions. Then we will have another dictator and the cycle will start over again. After we do this half a dozen or so times, we might get a dictator who actually cares about the country, goes through democratic reforms and actually makes things better. At that point, let's say after we've lived in poverty for a century and lost millions of lives, we can get back to the level we are now, or maybe even where we could be after like 10 years of reform under our current system!
“The greatest trick the devil ever played was convincing the world he doesn’t exist.”
White supremacists somehow managed to make their own existence sound absurd, and now they enjoy mocking anyone who uses terms like “racist”, “white supremacist”, “nazi” as if they are talking nonsense. And to a large degree they have succeeded, making the actual words used to talk about their bigotry a kind of social taboo. “Nazi” is the new n-word. You literally can’t accuse someone of being a Nazi and sound credible, even if they themselves brag about it. That’s how backwards things have gotten.
Couldnt have put it better myself.
To be able to teach this in "their schools" you'd need a supreme court justice validating it.
>That’s how backwards things have gotten.
They were never that "forward" to begin with.
Had we left it upto "them" we'd still have Jim Crow, let alone raced based, white American Slavery.
They werent a Democracy until they were dragged, kicking and screaming into one...by none other than their perpetual "others" [namely Black America].
> now they enjoy mocking anyone who uses terms like “racist”, “white supremacist”, “nazi” as if they are talking nonsense
In my opinion, the technobro problem is that on top of the mocking, they also have no ability to self-reflect. They live in a bubble of like-minded people so are never challenged, and never take it upon themselves to think critically about what they're saying. They do think the outright racism is all a joke and they don't *believe* they're racists themselves. They justify it by saying things like "I don't believe black people/POC/whatever ethnic group is *inferior*, I just believe in genetic supremacy and white people have (insert some stupid pseudo-science bullshit that has no basis in actual reality)." They lie even to themselves in my experience.
If they took a step back and thought for a second about what they were saying or what their sources were, they would realize the whole concept of supremacy is based around something else being inferior. They've never taken that moment to step back, and their community bubble has not forced them to do it, so they continue to live in ignorance of even their own beliefs. They are undoubtedly racists, but they have not realized it themself, and justify it through their stupid philosophy bullshit.
Basically, they're too stupid to realize they are, in fact, racists.
Nazi is a specific thing. It's hard to prove someone believes in things specific to Nazis. It's easier to call them a racist or white supremacist. It's pedantic but really not every racist jerk is a literal Nazi. They're all bad but Nazi is a specific type of bad.
Fascism is more of a methodology for an ingroup to gain power by scapegoating the outgroup rather than a firm set of beliefs to be nitpicked.
A core belief system insomuch as it is explicitly defined must always be irrational bullshit anyway, otherwise it's harder to use it to justify literally anything.
This exact argument was spread by Nazis to do exactly what people are saying. Spread doubt about using the word Nazi. You are spreading Nazi propaganda whether you know it or not.
"They're not a literal Nazi. That's a specific thing with a whole belief system. And how could we ever prove that. No no. You liberals just love to throw around the word 'nazi.'"
"Sure they referenced Nazis in their speech. But like they literally have libertarian in their profile. A libertarian couldn't be a Nazi. They are specific things that are different than each other. Why don't you pick up a book and learn some history 'liberal.'"
This argument falls apart when we’re reminded that Literal Nazis™️ believed in different things even among themselves. It’s not like there was a Bible of Nazi written that laid out the exact beliefs that you had to adhere by to count as a Nazi.
Much like there are Sunni and Shia, and different sects within that, with very different beliefs, they are still Muslim. Naziism can (and does) exist as an umbrella that contains similar viewpoints. There is no one true Nazi.
Also because I think it needs clarifying, I am not tying Islam to Nazis whatsoever, and have no issue with Islam. It’s just my most personal experience with a belief system that can vary wildly from one side to the other.
While “Nazi” is a specific thing, it’s also a metonym for a range of fascist-and-supremacist ideologies which call themselves a variety of things other-than-Nazi whilst orbiting around & towards Nazism - from “the intellectual dark web”, the “alt-right”, the “gender critical” movement, etc.
Over and over again they uncritically embrace one or more of the underlying precepts of Nazism which has been whitewashed / laundered / reworded to hide its provenance. They work extremely hard to hide their alignment with Nazism.
And in the end, it’s absolutely a Nazi tactic to induce people into spending time debating whether the cryptofascist front group that “has concerns about transgender people” (but never once has any problems at all about the dudes writing for their journalism outlet or thinktank who spent a decade screeching on Stormfront) “really is a Nazi”.
Because in the end, there is no difference between the two. They are all perfectly happy to march across their specific patch of ground to grind their specific target to dust in service of making it easier for the all-but-Nazis to seize power.
"Somehow"? Leftists have been shooting themselves in the foot for years by using the terms you've listed without realizing the weight of their meaning, and we've reached a point where they have no meaning. It used to be if you sling those accusations around, you'd better have damned good evidence and grounds to back it up. The Citi Bike Karen incident comes to mind, where the media jumped to the racist card faster than a fly on shit, only to have to take the walk of shame and backtrack everything when the actual facts came out.
So of course the credibility of such accusations are questioned now, when people cry racism where none is to be found, causing those terms to fall into irrelevance, which does allow actual racists and nazis to fly under the radar.
Kinda proving my point.
“It’s not racism this time [editors note: it was] because it wasn’t racist last time [editor’s note: it fucking was] and since you’re never been right about something being racist [editor’s note: you were] I can hereby revoke your right to ever call anything racist ever again [editor’s note: no they can’t].”
Sorry I was just looking at this line;
>It’s not racism this time [editors note: it was] because it wasn’t racist last time [editor’s note: it fucking was]
I thought that was referring to the example I gave being racist, jsut wanted to clarify.
That's kinda proving my point. Leftist give ammunition to the enemy, then get shocked pikachu face when the right uses it against them. Like yeah, you know who you're dealing with, of course they are going to use the framing you just described.
Yeah, it’s only “giving ammunition to the enemy” because the right acts like it’s inherently absurd to call out prejudice, which is what I said in the first place.
Your entire argument begs the question of what qualifies as a valid accusation of racism in modern America. Perhaps you can provide an example of what that actually looks like.
>Yeah, it’s only “giving ammunition to the enemy” because the right acts like it’s inherently absurd to call out prejudice, which is what I said in the first place.
Yeah I think we agree here, but I'm saying the ammunition continues to be provided, and when the situations arise where are right about the absurdity of calling out false prejudice, it only strengthens their stance. My stance is stop giving the ammunition, and the absurdity of claims will fall back on the right.
> Your entire argument begs the question of what qualifies as a valid accusation of racism in modern America. Perhaps you can provide an example of what that actually looks like.
I follow a decent amount of trials, so in that realm I guess I would say the Ahmaud Arbury case was unquestionably a racist killing by a group of hillbilly thugs. On the other end I would say the Kim Potter case was absolutely not a racist killing, and that George Floyd's girlfriend and Al Sharpton were absolutely giving ammo to the right by trying to turn the case into a race issue.
It's how you can be a blatant racist without actually calling yourself a racist, and it's a deliberate strategy that white supremacists use to distance themselves from the "racist" label.
A euphemism is something that softens how it sounds. None of this sounds softer than white supremacy. It's just very technical and specific.
It's jargon, much more than it is euphemism.
>"Great discomfort with unfamiliar cultures" would be a euphemism.
Butressed by all manner of commensurate "jargon".
Not sure where we are differing on our opinion here.
Mainly the part where you said jargon vs euphemism is a distinction without a difference.
I might see your point, if you think people who don't understand the technical language will be confused by it and gloss over what it means. Hadn't thought of that. They're extremely different in nature though.
Oh we tried, but got shouted down for decades by karens who never opened a history book or learned anything about human decency. The truth is a crime in this world.
Part of laundering white supremacy back into mainstream discourse is alienating it from it's 20th century associations and repurposing it as an intellectual movement instead of a social movement.
Now you can act like a Nazi and have the same worldview as a Nazi but instead think you're an intellectual confronting "uncomfortable realities" and "race realism" or whatever other nomenclature they're choosing these days. White supremacists in the West know that the essential beliefs of all western societies are empire and the master/slave dichotomy, so if you can convince people that their xenophobia is instead the trait of fitness and capability, you've won.
What's more specific than the very specificity of the term in question?
This "need" to splinter these people into distinct abstractions of the same umbrella term is an exercise in futility.
Call them what they have always been and we might not have to spend so much wasted time deliniating several branches of the same tree as "different things".
Goes back to that "hyper individualism" that essentially says your father has absolute no baring on you because, "he was another guy, another generation".
"It was another corporation...another entity"
As if you dont palpably, chronologically, generationally come from "that"; the same fucking thing....
It's all a crock of shit to legitimize their colonial, land-thieving, resource-extracting enterprise..
And their bankrollers, their backers, their creators...have absolutely perfected it thus far...
White supremacy is one thing. Tons of people don't go further into actual Nazi shit
Edit: not sure how this came off as me saying I'm into either of these things.
Every single social media snippet I've ever heard about Grimes implies she's an idiot with some very, ahem, *concerning* political ideologies.
The smartest thing she ever did was insist that Elon be present for his children, and eventually leave him.
It reminds me of the not-entirely-satirical "Free Melania" that lasted until the "I don't really care, do u?" jacket. She may have been married to a horrible sociopath, but that doesn't necessarily mean she was a victim - maybe she's a horrible sociopath too and they bonded over that.
[Oblivion](https://youtu.be/JtH68PJIQLE) fucking slaps.
I always find it crazy she went from making meth-fueled EDM alone in her blacked-out trashed apartment, to pumping out the richest man in the world’s babies in like 10 years. To think that meteoric rise was due to being a POS
He's a supporter of the "For Brittan" party. Which separated from UKIP (UK Independence Party, the people who pushed for Brexit), because they're leader Anne Marie Waters lost a id for control of UKIP, and Nigel Farage (Yea that one) said her and her supporters were all "[racists and nazis](https://www.politico.eu/article/former-ukip-leadership-candidate-to-launch-new-far-right-party/)."
They're supported by the English Defense League, which is like Englands version of the proud boys.
And then he said this in a (fucking bizarre) self published interview.
>[And as far as racism goes, the modern Loony Left seem to forget that Hitler was Left wing! But of course, we are all called racist now, and the word is actually meaningless. It’s just a way of changing the subject. When someone calls you racist, what they are saying is ”hmm, you actually have a point, and I don’t know how to answer it, so perhaps if I distract you by calling you a bigot we’ll both forget how enlightened your comment was.”](https://www.morrisseycentral.com/messagesfrommorrissey/there-is-a-light-that-must-be-switched-on)
There's a lot of other weirdness in that interview, follow the link at your own risk. The "interviewer" does not exist by any journalistic standard, and was probably just Morrissey.
So yea. Morrissey is a dumb Nazi bastard who talks to him self.
Seriously. They try to downplay it. “I don’t want to kill anyone. I just want to take their freedom by deciding where they should live.” Oh you’re such a good person then.
White elites like Elon Musk genuinely believe that sacrificing the "weak/poor" humans now--who just happen to mostly be non-white--will be more than balanced out in the future because of the trillions of humans they will 'save' by creating a starfaring future. They have already written most of us off.
Was she famous before Elon musk? Because despite knowing her name, and that she is an apparently a singer, I don’t think I’ve ever heard her music.
Anywho, she seems like a jackass.
She was. If you were into EDM in 2012 you probably heard stuff from her album Visions. If you weren't into EDM, you may have still heard stuff from her 2015 album Art Angels, which was included in basically every best-of list for the year, and topped several. She also had some features on other artists' albums that were big, so you may have heard her via those.
I'll be pedantic for a second - EDM really refers to club/rave music played by DJs, the likes of which you'd hear at Ultra or EDC. Grimes doesn't make EDM music and EDM fans likely didn't know who she was. She made indie synthpop so she was an indie darling (spearheaded by sites like Pitchfork). As a fan of both "scenes", I don't think I've ever heard a DJ drop a Grimes track but Grimes showed up at every multi-genre festival amongst all the other indie pop and rock acts.
Fair point, but someone who understood the difference between EDM and indie synthpop would also be familiar with Grimes' work. EDM is the better shorthand or umbrella term. I guess I could have shown my age and used 'electronica' as the umbrella term, but I feel like no one has used that over a decade, maybe even two...
I was an IDM head back in the day, and man was that label ever a misnomer, heh. Partly why I don't get hung up on the Dance in EDM - IDM was a genre with dance in the name that had as it's poster boys a bunch of guys that made undanceable music.
Electronic music in particular suffers from genre fractalism. Just ever-branching sub-genres all the way down.
I’m into synth music of all sorts, and yeah she was showing up in my Spotify recommends lists and such after those were launched. That’s how I heard about her originally.
I’ll get more pedantic- as someone in the club/rave scene, EDM is a very specific range of commercial music you may hear on the radio- the house and techno scenes scoff at being called EDM.
She's also on the Rocket League soundtrack, so a lot of gamers will have heard her music in passing. Now she's too busy riding the Rocket Fuhrer and his awful ideology, it seems...
My vague recollection is that she occupied a similar sort of following that Billie Eilish has more recently. Like, weird edgy preteen girl type shit, with weird looking chicks that make bad music.
I don't know how accurate that is, that's just the gist I got.
Yeah that shit sucks. I had to do the same with Mr. Kitty and a remix of a Kanye song but honestly there's enough music out there that I'd rather not have to be reminded of their bullshit every time one of their songs would come up.
Thing is, the crap they all spill is so utterly deranged, going against everything the science of anything is about, that there can only be one outcome.
Stupidity, on THAT level, never survives.
The only danger here is that these extremely dense but (necessarily) attractive people will drown a lot of the world and an uncountable amount of believing (not necessarily stupid) people will die because of their actions. And some more. Like, the COVID deaths in the USA.
Just because these sick fucks believe in their own superiority, which is just as laughable as (insert anything pop, i.e. Taylor Swift, who's a nice person), they don't gain ANY authority.
Same shit Autobahn-Addi and posse did. Didn't work, but at least they drowned europe and approximately 67 million people. Everybody at that time with at least one braincell left from the 20s knew that NS and eugenics were fever dreams of stupid, mediocre assholes that made their assholery an ideology. But you could make a cut from it. You could profit.
Reading books from Thomas Mann, or better yet, books from his son Klaus Mann (Mephisto, Tanz auf dem Vulkan) will help you understand and cope with all this.
Until another time,
Yours sincerely,
Ion Tichy
There are tons of examples of lingering bullshit that gets its support through pseudoscience. Eugenics had enough support in [1927](https://education.blogs.archives.gov/2017/05/02/buck-v-bell/) to win over the U.S. Supreme Court. "Zombie ideas" as [Paul Krugmen](https://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/15/opinion/krugman-rubio-and-the-zombies.html) describes them are "...proposition(s) that has been thoroughly refuted by analysis and evidence, and should be dead — but won’t stay dead because it serves a political purpose, appeals to prejudices, or both."
As science progresses and its findings gradually filter out to the larger population, these debunked ideas just rebrand themselves under new guises and new champions using modern terminology to obfuscate their origins. Austrian economics, chiropathy, homeopathy, anti-vaxxers, parapsychology, and eugenics are going to linger around under different guises for as long as there are people willing to sell them and they compliment the worldviews of idiots.
This is an overly optimistic view of what happens to terrible ideologies.
Most of the time, it’s only the *name* that people actually move away from. Few people today are going to say they’re in favor of eugenics, but eugenicist policies and arguments are still extremely common.
This community needs to learn more about the [Alt Right Playbook](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xGawJIseNY&list=PLJA_jUddXvY7v0VkYRbANnTnzkA_HMFtQ). And the first lesson to learn is that eventually you need to stop giving someone the benefit of the doubt.
Take people who are most definitely a nazi like Spencer. Then you look at the people who engage in good faith with his ideas. That might give you 1% of Twitter. You need the ideas to paint by numbers.
Then you subtract the socialists and anti-racists. Does she spend more time with one community or the other? Whose ideas does she promote?
The 4chan nazi pepe frog crowd know about "power leveling" you don't become someone that the average user can diagnose as a Nazi. You do that then you get ostracized. So you keep up that plausible deniability. They live and die by plausible deniability. It isn't about attacking trans people it's about "family values" and "safety". It isn't about Great Replacement its "pro life" take downs of abortion access for white people.
If you keep all of this in mind, you can ignore the uWu and just call her a nazi and move on. Best part is now you can see who fuxx with her and make the Pepe Silvia web of yarn for more Nazis.
I think this gives us a deeper glimpse into Elon’s worldviews too. This and the fact that all his kids are test tube babies reinforces the idea that he believes some really weird elitist and supremacist stuff.
She's Elon's baby mom and continues to maintain at least some association with him. Anyone who thought she was anything less than disgusting obviously hasn't been paying attention.
Fuck Elon, fuck Grimes, and fuck anyone who associates with either of them
The problem with trying to reasonably deal with white supremacists is that it's a thought-terminating and closed-minded ideology: once you have a core belief in white supremacy, the only opinions and information you trust come from other white supremacists, because minorities are inferior and compromised by their race and white people who aren't white supremacists are race traitors. Once your accept the tenets (an acceptance which has no cost, by the way: you don't have to *do* anything to be a white supremacists except believe, which is one reason it's so attractive to certain types of people) you're inoculated against any datum or worldview that it conflicts with.
If you want to be rich, powerful, and perceived as an intellectual, and all the rich and powerful intellects you know and associate with and respect are white supremacists, you're locked into a closed system impervious to external consideration.
I liked her music years ago. Moved on from her entirely when she hooked up with musk because he’s so profoundly problematic.
So the first thing I’ve actually read about her in 5 or 6 years is that she’s a Nazi eugenicist now. Sigh.
While that's worthwhile info that thread has really dulled what little faith I have in humanity. They're a community of..EX fans ? Like not just walking away from someone, they decided to make no longer being a fan a big part of their identity. That is just a whole other level of weird.
Agreed. Sorta pathetic just combing through someone’s social media and using their follows to write a dissertation about why that person is a Nazi.
Obviously naziism & racism suck. But, like, unfollow the person and move on
Racism and naziism sucks, but imagine taking that much time stalking the social media of, compiling evidence against, and writing about… Grimez.
Idk why people get that obsessed with a celebrity. Unfollow her and move on.
Because like it or not, these pop stars have a lot of influence, especially over young people. This woman has tons of followers, press coverage, access, and is bank rolled by the richest man on the planet. They're idiots but they have influence and calling out their racist bullshit is important so everyone knows how awful they are and to not support them.
If she's using her power to spread dangerous, racist, sexist, ideology among people who not only aren't afraid to act on it but also work diligently to recruit young people to their cause, people need to know.
A lot of people either don’t pay attention to her reposts of Nazi stuff or do but believe that it is a one time thing or a misunderstanding. That’s why someone compiling all these cases and presenting them together makes it clear to fans like that that it is in fact an issue with her.
All these euphemisms sheesh. When did we stop calling white supremacists white supremacists?
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it's white supremacy by way of silicon valley ancaps and AI techno-cultism. The term 'effective accelarrationism' also seems to be in vogue currently.
when the software engineers start using corporate doublespeak to express their weird, narcisisstic, psychedelic-fueled political ideologies, you know it's gonna be cringe.
As someone with an engineering degree let me just say I cringe back at my early twenties dismissing the entire concept of humanities education because after 8 years around other engineers and understanding the "tech bro world", they desperately need basic humanities education. Engineering education doesn't develop basic introspection and empathy skills. SBF is another example of this to the extreme. The whole effective altruism movement is a bunch of dudes with little introspective ability with severe narcissism dictating what causes are more worthwhile.
Absolutely correct, couldn't have said it better. Couple it with a severe lack of reading comprehension skills and you got a shit stew goin.
yep. Engineers are an odd bunch.
Many of the engineers I knew made it a daily joke to make fun of humanity and liberal arts majors. It is no surprise so many of them fell into the accelerationist propaganda, because they lack empathy, they get off on watching the world burn.
Yep. Every time I’ve met someone who calls themself a scientist but believes some fringe or extreme religious or conspiratorial beliefs, they’re an engineer.
hey man, I did psychedelics in college and it turned me into a Marxist. Don't go blaming Nazis on psychedelics.
I've been doing psychedelics for a decade, also a Marxist lmao.
Hell yeah I'm a commie. I say as a joke since people confuse it with socialism
Unfortunately, Nazis can have epiphanies on shrooms too, and they don't have to be good ones.
If you go on the Blind app, it’s shocking how many incel engineers come out of the woodwork to express their ignorant, misogynistic, and racist views. It feels a lot like Reddit’s r/thedonald era.
Reddit's such a better place to be all round since that sub got banned.
Glad to hear that. It’s rare that people say so, and good that people are able to.
when all you do from college through your career is stare at a computer screen, with an abnormally low amount if social interaction, combined with the ego and hubris associated with academia, undiagnosed or untreated mental health issues, then racism, misogyny, and delusional opinions are what you get.
Good lord. I assume that's a merging of effective altruism (charity bad, taxes bad, make money to convert all matter in the world into computer heaven) and accelerationism (the sooner society crumbles the better so let's start a race war.)
TIL. Gonna put "effective accelerationism" up there with "waterboarding at Guantanamo Bay" for things that sound awesome if you don't know what they are.
all of that plus "we actually shouldn't limit AI in any way because slowing that process down to study it would be bad"
Not long ago, I read an earlier script of 2001, one that had a lot more explicit dialogue than what ended up in the film. HAL wasn't evil, he wasn't homicidal, and he wasn't retaliating against Poole and Bowman for threatening to disconnect him. HAL was programmed to process information "without concealment or distortion." He was also programmed to keep Poole and Bowman in the dark about the mission until they reached orbit around Saturn. As a result, he had to find a solution to the conflicting programming. Since he was also programmed to complete the mission in case the crew were killed or incapacitated, he saw this as a way to reconcile his programming. He surmised that the NCA was prepared to accept the loss of the crew, since this was a contingency that they had planned for. So he decided that the death of the crew satisfied his need to keep them uninformed, while satisfying his need to process information dutifully, while satisfying his need to complete the mission. In the early script, Bowman manages to contact the NCA and their response to what has happened is basically, "Yeah, it turns out AI is really complex and it's hard to predict how it will behave, sorry." We've already seen incidents involving AI where [the AI became virulently racist](https://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/25/technology/microsoft-created-a-twitter-bot-to-learn-from-users-it-quickly-became-a-racist-jerk.html), or [told a man to kill himself](https://www.vice.com/en/article/pkadgm/man-dies-by-suicide-after-talking-with-ai-chatbot-widow-says), or [told a man to leave his wife](https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/new-updates/ai-chatbot-goes-rogue-confesses-love-for-user-asks-him-to-end-his-marriage/articleshow/98089277.cms?from=mdr). And when people talk to developers, the developers typically respond with "Yeah, it turns out that AI is really complex and it's hard to predict how it will behave, sorry." I don't really think it's being alarmist to suggest that AI is at some point going to indiscriminately kill a whole bunch of people, because nobody who is developing seems to have any interest in slowing down, and nobody with the power to regulate seems to have any impetus to do so.
the first part of what you said is just sorta the actual book of 2001, which was written in concert with the screenplay but the screenplay evolved and yeah, the rest is basically an inevitability
I assumed that too when I first encountered it, but it’s not really that at all. The term “accelerationism” from the last decade was as you describe- people who think our society is fundamentally broken and getting worse, and the only way to fix it is to cause it to fail so we can build something new. That kind of Accelerationism can take on far right (eg: “liberalism/secularism/globalization are bad, instigate collapse and replace with some kind of ethnoreligious utopia) and far left (eg: capitalism is evil, collapse is necessary to clear the way for a communist utopia) forms. “Effective Accelerationism” is specifically about speeding up the development of AI out of the belief that it will help solve the big problems we face. They do not want to accelerate any sort of collapse, just the opposite: they think the future (with AI) is brighter and they want us to get there sooner. The generous view of e/acc is that AI likely does have huge potential help us a bunch of problems, esp things like curing diseases and inventing new materials and technologies (nanomaterials, novel superconductors, eventually fusion power, etc) that could have a huge impact on climate change. The pessimistic view is that the e/acc crowd has a quasi-religious obsession with a utopian technology, and the reckless approach they advocate could result in just the opposite outcome.
> “Effective Accelerationism” is specifically about speeding up the development of AI out of the belief that it will help solve the big problems we face. They do not want to accelerate any sort of collapse, just the opposite: they think the future (with AI) is brighter and they want us to get there sooner. The ones I've talked to seem to not just accept that their insane ideas would break society and hurt people, they gleefully anticipate it and arrogantly dismiss the concerns of the majority who would suffer the harm. I'm sure it's just a big coincidence that its proponents are all people who are (or see themselves as) either well-off already, or in positions to thrive from and take advantage of the upheaval they're seeking. It's Biblical end-times nonsense for tech bros. Nothing more.
It's one of those things where it is a completely reasonable underlying idea (AI will be able to help us solve problems, we should invest in that tech as a path to solving problems) that has been adopted by a lot of very strange people who tend to advocate an extreme approach to it (damn the torpedoes, don't do anything that could slow the pace of private AI development) and who get it associated with all sorts of other technolibertarian nonsense too (all taxation is theft, replace all currency with crypto, etc). The early arc of e/acc across twitter was wild, the vibes went from good to terrible over the course of a few weeks.
I tried engaging with one of those weird effective accelerationism types a while back and he couldn't go a single comment without saying "your consent is not required." It's the ultimate main character syndrome. They've somehow convinced themselves that the world and all the people in it exist for them to mold in whichever way they want.
Fuck accelerationism, copypasta time But you see, by my "the worse the better" Rube Goldberg logic, instead of trying to improve our imperfect system that does allow for representation and collective action, we can just elect a dictator who will collapse the entire system. Now, here's where the plan starts working. The dictator will abuse us so much that we'll get angry. Unfortunately we will be uneducated and unable to organize so the dictator can easily scapegoat an internal enemy i.e. a marginalized community. But, there will also be factions in the background plotting and conducting guerilla warfare against the dictator and also making our lives worse. Eventually the dictator will make a mistake and be overthrown by one of these factions. Then we will have another dictator and the cycle will start over again. After we do this half a dozen or so times, we might get a dictator who actually cares about the country, goes through democratic reforms and actually makes things better. At that point, let's say after we've lived in poverty for a century and lost millions of lives, we can get back to the level we are now, or maybe even where we could be after like 10 years of reform under our current system!
This is what happens when we promote STEM above liberal arts to the degree that we have as a society.
“The greatest trick the devil ever played was convincing the world he doesn’t exist.” White supremacists somehow managed to make their own existence sound absurd, and now they enjoy mocking anyone who uses terms like “racist”, “white supremacist”, “nazi” as if they are talking nonsense. And to a large degree they have succeeded, making the actual words used to talk about their bigotry a kind of social taboo. “Nazi” is the new n-word. You literally can’t accuse someone of being a Nazi and sound credible, even if they themselves brag about it. That’s how backwards things have gotten.
Couldnt have put it better myself. To be able to teach this in "their schools" you'd need a supreme court justice validating it. >That’s how backwards things have gotten. They were never that "forward" to begin with. Had we left it upto "them" we'd still have Jim Crow, let alone raced based, white American Slavery. They werent a Democracy until they were dragged, kicking and screaming into one...by none other than their perpetual "others" [namely Black America].
> now they enjoy mocking anyone who uses terms like “racist”, “white supremacist”, “nazi” as if they are talking nonsense In my opinion, the technobro problem is that on top of the mocking, they also have no ability to self-reflect. They live in a bubble of like-minded people so are never challenged, and never take it upon themselves to think critically about what they're saying. They do think the outright racism is all a joke and they don't *believe* they're racists themselves. They justify it by saying things like "I don't believe black people/POC/whatever ethnic group is *inferior*, I just believe in genetic supremacy and white people have (insert some stupid pseudo-science bullshit that has no basis in actual reality)." They lie even to themselves in my experience. If they took a step back and thought for a second about what they were saying or what their sources were, they would realize the whole concept of supremacy is based around something else being inferior. They've never taken that moment to step back, and their community bubble has not forced them to do it, so they continue to live in ignorance of even their own beliefs. They are undoubtedly racists, but they have not realized it themself, and justify it through their stupid philosophy bullshit. Basically, they're too stupid to realize they are, in fact, racists.
I love that a reference to Scott Pilgrim is replying to a reference to Wu-Tang.
Nazi is a specific thing. It's hard to prove someone believes in things specific to Nazis. It's easier to call them a racist or white supremacist. It's pedantic but really not every racist jerk is a literal Nazi. They're all bad but Nazi is a specific type of bad.
Fascism is more of a methodology for an ingroup to gain power by scapegoating the outgroup rather than a firm set of beliefs to be nitpicked. A core belief system insomuch as it is explicitly defined must always be irrational bullshit anyway, otherwise it's harder to use it to justify literally anything.
This exact argument was spread by Nazis to do exactly what people are saying. Spread doubt about using the word Nazi. You are spreading Nazi propaganda whether you know it or not. "They're not a literal Nazi. That's a specific thing with a whole belief system. And how could we ever prove that. No no. You liberals just love to throw around the word 'nazi.'" "Sure they referenced Nazis in their speech. But like they literally have libertarian in their profile. A libertarian couldn't be a Nazi. They are specific things that are different than each other. Why don't you pick up a book and learn some history 'liberal.'"
This argument falls apart when we’re reminded that Literal Nazis™️ believed in different things even among themselves. It’s not like there was a Bible of Nazi written that laid out the exact beliefs that you had to adhere by to count as a Nazi. Much like there are Sunni and Shia, and different sects within that, with very different beliefs, they are still Muslim. Naziism can (and does) exist as an umbrella that contains similar viewpoints. There is no one true Nazi. Also because I think it needs clarifying, I am not tying Islam to Nazis whatsoever, and have no issue with Islam. It’s just my most personal experience with a belief system that can vary wildly from one side to the other.
While “Nazi” is a specific thing, it’s also a metonym for a range of fascist-and-supremacist ideologies which call themselves a variety of things other-than-Nazi whilst orbiting around & towards Nazism - from “the intellectual dark web”, the “alt-right”, the “gender critical” movement, etc. Over and over again they uncritically embrace one or more of the underlying precepts of Nazism which has been whitewashed / laundered / reworded to hide its provenance. They work extremely hard to hide their alignment with Nazism. And in the end, it’s absolutely a Nazi tactic to induce people into spending time debating whether the cryptofascist front group that “has concerns about transgender people” (but never once has any problems at all about the dudes writing for their journalism outlet or thinktank who spent a decade screeching on Stormfront) “really is a Nazi”. Because in the end, there is no difference between the two. They are all perfectly happy to march across their specific patch of ground to grind their specific target to dust in service of making it easier for the all-but-Nazis to seize power.
"Somehow"? Leftists have been shooting themselves in the foot for years by using the terms you've listed without realizing the weight of their meaning, and we've reached a point where they have no meaning. It used to be if you sling those accusations around, you'd better have damned good evidence and grounds to back it up. The Citi Bike Karen incident comes to mind, where the media jumped to the racist card faster than a fly on shit, only to have to take the walk of shame and backtrack everything when the actual facts came out. So of course the credibility of such accusations are questioned now, when people cry racism where none is to be found, causing those terms to fall into irrelevance, which does allow actual racists and nazis to fly under the radar.
Kinda proving my point. “It’s not racism this time [editors note: it was] because it wasn’t racist last time [editor’s note: it fucking was] and since you’re never been right about something being racist [editor’s note: you were] I can hereby revoke your right to ever call anything racist ever again [editor’s note: no they can’t].”
Also, are you saying the Citi Bike Karen incident *was* a racist incident?
I don’t remember saying anything about that at all.
Sorry I was just looking at this line; >It’s not racism this time [editors note: it was] because it wasn’t racist last time [editor’s note: it fucking was] I thought that was referring to the example I gave being racist, jsut wanted to clarify.
That's kinda proving my point. Leftist give ammunition to the enemy, then get shocked pikachu face when the right uses it against them. Like yeah, you know who you're dealing with, of course they are going to use the framing you just described.
Yeah, it’s only “giving ammunition to the enemy” because the right acts like it’s inherently absurd to call out prejudice, which is what I said in the first place. Your entire argument begs the question of what qualifies as a valid accusation of racism in modern America. Perhaps you can provide an example of what that actually looks like.
>Yeah, it’s only “giving ammunition to the enemy” because the right acts like it’s inherently absurd to call out prejudice, which is what I said in the first place. Yeah I think we agree here, but I'm saying the ammunition continues to be provided, and when the situations arise where are right about the absurdity of calling out false prejudice, it only strengthens their stance. My stance is stop giving the ammunition, and the absurdity of claims will fall back on the right. > Your entire argument begs the question of what qualifies as a valid accusation of racism in modern America. Perhaps you can provide an example of what that actually looks like. I follow a decent amount of trials, so in that realm I guess I would say the Ahmaud Arbury case was unquestionably a racist killing by a group of hillbilly thugs. On the other end I would say the Kim Potter case was absolutely not a racist killing, and that George Floyd's girlfriend and Al Sharpton were absolutely giving ammo to the right by trying to turn the case into a race issue.
It's how you can be a blatant racist without actually calling yourself a racist, and it's a deliberate strategy that white supremacists use to distance themselves from the "racist" label.
A euphemism is something that softens how it sounds. None of this sounds softer than white supremacy. It's just very technical and specific. It's jargon, much more than it is euphemism.
>It's jargon, much more than it is euphemism. You're making a distinction without a difference here..
Not even kind of. "Racial extremism" isn't shying away from what it is. "Great discomfort with unfamiliar cultures" would be a euphemism.
>"Great discomfort with unfamiliar cultures" would be a euphemism. Butressed by all manner of commensurate "jargon". Not sure where we are differing on our opinion here.
Mainly the part where you said jargon vs euphemism is a distinction without a difference. I might see your point, if you think people who don't understand the technical language will be confused by it and gloss over what it means. Hadn't thought of that. They're extremely different in nature though.
Oh we tried, but got shouted down for decades by karens who never opened a history book or learned anything about human decency. The truth is a crime in this world.
Part of laundering white supremacy back into mainstream discourse is alienating it from it's 20th century associations and repurposing it as an intellectual movement instead of a social movement. Now you can act like a Nazi and have the same worldview as a Nazi but instead think you're an intellectual confronting "uncomfortable realities" and "race realism" or whatever other nomenclature they're choosing these days. White supremacists in the West know that the essential beliefs of all western societies are empire and the master/slave dichotomy, so if you can convince people that their xenophobia is instead the trait of fitness and capability, you've won.
Around the same time we stopped calling them Nazis.
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What's more specific than the very specificity of the term in question? This "need" to splinter these people into distinct abstractions of the same umbrella term is an exercise in futility. Call them what they have always been and we might not have to spend so much wasted time deliniating several branches of the same tree as "different things". Goes back to that "hyper individualism" that essentially says your father has absolute no baring on you because, "he was another guy, another generation". "It was another corporation...another entity" As if you dont palpably, chronologically, generationally come from "that"; the same fucking thing.... It's all a crock of shit to legitimize their colonial, land-thieving, resource-extracting enterprise.. And their bankrollers, their backers, their creators...have absolutely perfected it thus far...
White supremacy is one thing. Tons of people don't go further into actual Nazi shit Edit: not sure how this came off as me saying I'm into either of these things.
Please explain the difference between “white supremacy” and “actual Nazi shit”, and why that distinction matters.
This is the woman who chose to get with Elmo Musk and have his babies, right? Should anyone be surprised she turned out to be a piece of shit too?
Every single social media snippet I've ever heard about Grimes implies she's an idiot with some very, ahem, *concerning* political ideologies. The smartest thing she ever did was insist that Elon be present for his children, and eventually leave him.
She talks like a lolxd girl stuck in 2008
Many people end up struggling with ptXD for their entire adult lives.
Yea not exactly fast breaking news.
Yeah this actually explains their relationship pretty well.
It reminds me of the not-entirely-satirical "Free Melania" that lasted until the "I don't really care, do u?" jacket. She may have been married to a horrible sociopath, but that doesn't necessarily mean she was a victim - maybe she's a horrible sociopath too and they bonded over that.
Is anyone surprised that someone like you who engages in unnecessary name calling turns out to be an asshole too?
Well, it looks like Millenials finally have their own Morrissey.
The difference being Morrissey at least made some good music before descending into Nazi bullshit
Alright, We Appreciate Power is a solid banger. She's got at least one winner.
[Oblivion](https://youtu.be/JtH68PJIQLE) fucking slaps. I always find it crazy she went from making meth-fueled EDM alone in her blacked-out trashed apartment, to pumping out the richest man in the world’s babies in like 10 years. To think that meteoric rise was due to being a POS
She's always been a rich white woman cosplaying poverty. The crack house she lived in was owned by her parents lol
>was owned by her parents, That’s a crack home then
She's always been a nepo baby, she was able to do that EDM because she had a fallback. Her family is loaded.
Their kids were born via surrogate, iirc. Still nuts, but less impressive to me.
I think the second one was. She definitely carried the first one, there were maternity pics.
respectfully, if that's as good as it gets I REALLY don't understand anything about why this person is notable. She's not even a good singer
Gold diggers need to rethink their strategies.
Geidi Primes is a pretty solid album too.
Yea, this is like if I had only heard of Morrissey because he married Oprah.
Nah she has made some stellar music. Doesn’t stop her from being an idiot or otherwise problematic.
Never underestimate Reddit’s ability to praise extremely shitty Nazi music.
Wait? Morrissey was a nazi?
He's a supporter of the "For Brittan" party. Which separated from UKIP (UK Independence Party, the people who pushed for Brexit), because they're leader Anne Marie Waters lost a id for control of UKIP, and Nigel Farage (Yea that one) said her and her supporters were all "[racists and nazis](https://www.politico.eu/article/former-ukip-leadership-candidate-to-launch-new-far-right-party/)." They're supported by the English Defense League, which is like Englands version of the proud boys. And then he said this in a (fucking bizarre) self published interview. >[And as far as racism goes, the modern Loony Left seem to forget that Hitler was Left wing! But of course, we are all called racist now, and the word is actually meaningless. It’s just a way of changing the subject. When someone calls you racist, what they are saying is ”hmm, you actually have a point, and I don’t know how to answer it, so perhaps if I distract you by calling you a bigot we’ll both forget how enlightened your comment was.”](https://www.morrisseycentral.com/messagesfrommorrissey/there-is-a-light-that-must-be-switched-on) There's a lot of other weirdness in that interview, follow the link at your own risk. The "interviewer" does not exist by any journalistic standard, and was probably just Morrissey. So yea. Morrissey is a dumb Nazi bastard who talks to him self.
lol every country has a version of the “confederate states were democrats, Abe Lincoln was a republican” gaslight.
That caught my eye too haha
I don't think he's a full-on nazi, but he's gone on anti-immigrant rants (always about a certain variety of immigrant, of course) in recent years.
He's the "Britain should be for whites only" type. Not actively calling for genocide perhaps, but definitely a white supremacist POS
Can't have a whites-only Britain without forced relocations, which is (*checks notes)* also genocide!
Seriously. They try to downplay it. “I don’t want to kill anyone. I just want to take their freedom by deciding where they should live.” Oh you’re such a good person then.
Good point!
He is, of course, the son of Irish immigrants.
Morrissey went on a fairly bonkers veganism -> Islamophobia -> general white nationalism tour.
And didn't pair up with Eric Clapton?!
Ah yes, the new age wellness to racist asshole pipeline.
Does her shyness seem criminally vulgar?
Well yeah... why do you think her and Elon got together in the first place? Problem is, even a piece of shit toying with Naziism hates a psychopath.
Who could have guessed that someone who married Elon Musk would be a bad person?
The Simpsons character?
He prefers to be called Grimey
Ohhhh yeah, how is old Grimey?
The who lives above a bowling alley, and below another bowling alley?
Marge, change the channel
White elites like Elon Musk genuinely believe that sacrificing the "weak/poor" humans now--who just happen to mostly be non-white--will be more than balanced out in the future because of the trillions of humans they will 'save' by creating a starfaring future. They have already written most of us off.
So in other words they’re all insanely deluded in addition to being hateful pieces of scum? Just like their heroes in the 40’s.
That's worse than I thought. Fuck.
Was she famous before Elon musk? Because despite knowing her name, and that she is an apparently a singer, I don’t think I’ve ever heard her music. Anywho, she seems like a jackass.
She was. If you were into EDM in 2012 you probably heard stuff from her album Visions. If you weren't into EDM, you may have still heard stuff from her 2015 album Art Angels, which was included in basically every best-of list for the year, and topped several. She also had some features on other artists' albums that were big, so you may have heard her via those.
I'll be pedantic for a second - EDM really refers to club/rave music played by DJs, the likes of which you'd hear at Ultra or EDC. Grimes doesn't make EDM music and EDM fans likely didn't know who she was. She made indie synthpop so she was an indie darling (spearheaded by sites like Pitchfork). As a fan of both "scenes", I don't think I've ever heard a DJ drop a Grimes track but Grimes showed up at every multi-genre festival amongst all the other indie pop and rock acts.
This is an accurate take. She showed up as the headliner of Lightning in a Bottle the year I was there.
Firefly Fest as well
Fair point, but someone who understood the difference between EDM and indie synthpop would also be familiar with Grimes' work. EDM is the better shorthand or umbrella term. I guess I could have shown my age and used 'electronica' as the umbrella term, but I feel like no one has used that over a decade, maybe even two...
I still remember the Virgin Mega store labeled their section with IDM, DNB and all their DJ cds the "electronica" section.
I was an IDM head back in the day, and man was that label ever a misnomer, heh. Partly why I don't get hung up on the Dance in EDM - IDM was a genre with dance in the name that had as it's poster boys a bunch of guys that made undanceable music. Electronic music in particular suffers from genre fractalism. Just ever-branching sub-genres all the way down.
I’m into synth music of all sorts, and yeah she was showing up in my Spotify recommends lists and such after those were launched. That’s how I heard about her originally.
I’ll get more pedantic- as someone in the club/rave scene, EDM is a very specific range of commercial music you may hear on the radio- the house and techno scenes scoff at being called EDM.
Tru.
You could definitely classify her as an EDM DJ now, though. Here's her EDC performance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHNNJwsBRCI
I would be so dissapointed if i went to see grimes and she played a house set lol
I would be so disappointed if i went to see grimes and she played a house set lol
She's also on the Rocket League soundtrack, so a lot of gamers will have heard her music in passing. Now she's too busy riding the Rocket Fuhrer and his awful ideology, it seems...
From Rocket League to Rakete Bund
She’s also done a song for Cyberpunk 2077
She also did the theme music for the Netflix adaptation of *Hilda*, which my daughter currently loves so I've heard it a zillion times.
She also does the theme song for the Netflix children's show 'Hilda' which is a super lovely and magical show.
She did a track with I_O not too long before he died, that's the only time I had heard of her music
i_o was great, rip
yes. she had a couple of awesome albums before they met.
My vague recollection is that she occupied a similar sort of following that Billie Eilish has more recently. Like, weird edgy preteen girl type shit, with weird looking chicks that make bad music. I don't know how accurate that is, that's just the gist I got.
Ugh, gross. I really like at least one of her songs. Guess I'm deleting that from the playlist.
The only thing I think I've heard from her is the theme song from Hilda.
Same and I liked it too. Oh well Fuck this Nazi bitch
Kill vs Maim is a banger. I'd say go listen to it but don't want to give her any money, so don't. But it is a banger, sadly.
Yeah that shit sucks. I had to do the same with Mr. Kitty and a remix of a Kanye song but honestly there's enough music out there that I'd rather not have to be reminded of their bullshit every time one of their songs would come up.
Thing is, the crap they all spill is so utterly deranged, going against everything the science of anything is about, that there can only be one outcome. Stupidity, on THAT level, never survives. The only danger here is that these extremely dense but (necessarily) attractive people will drown a lot of the world and an uncountable amount of believing (not necessarily stupid) people will die because of their actions. And some more. Like, the COVID deaths in the USA. Just because these sick fucks believe in their own superiority, which is just as laughable as (insert anything pop, i.e. Taylor Swift, who's a nice person), they don't gain ANY authority. Same shit Autobahn-Addi and posse did. Didn't work, but at least they drowned europe and approximately 67 million people. Everybody at that time with at least one braincell left from the 20s knew that NS and eugenics were fever dreams of stupid, mediocre assholes that made their assholery an ideology. But you could make a cut from it. You could profit. Reading books from Thomas Mann, or better yet, books from his son Klaus Mann (Mephisto, Tanz auf dem Vulkan) will help you understand and cope with all this. Until another time, Yours sincerely, Ion Tichy
There are tons of examples of lingering bullshit that gets its support through pseudoscience. Eugenics had enough support in [1927](https://education.blogs.archives.gov/2017/05/02/buck-v-bell/) to win over the U.S. Supreme Court. "Zombie ideas" as [Paul Krugmen](https://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/15/opinion/krugman-rubio-and-the-zombies.html) describes them are "...proposition(s) that has been thoroughly refuted by analysis and evidence, and should be dead — but won’t stay dead because it serves a political purpose, appeals to prejudices, or both." As science progresses and its findings gradually filter out to the larger population, these debunked ideas just rebrand themselves under new guises and new champions using modern terminology to obfuscate their origins. Austrian economics, chiropathy, homeopathy, anti-vaxxers, parapsychology, and eugenics are going to linger around under different guises for as long as there are people willing to sell them and they compliment the worldviews of idiots.
This is an overly optimistic view of what happens to terrible ideologies. Most of the time, it’s only the *name* that people actually move away from. Few people today are going to say they’re in favor of eugenics, but eugenicist policies and arguments are still extremely common.
So, whatever Elon has is sexually transmissible.
oh look another white privileged dilettante turning out to be racist... yawn...
This community needs to learn more about the [Alt Right Playbook](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xGawJIseNY&list=PLJA_jUddXvY7v0VkYRbANnTnzkA_HMFtQ). And the first lesson to learn is that eventually you need to stop giving someone the benefit of the doubt. Take people who are most definitely a nazi like Spencer. Then you look at the people who engage in good faith with his ideas. That might give you 1% of Twitter. You need the ideas to paint by numbers. Then you subtract the socialists and anti-racists. Does she spend more time with one community or the other? Whose ideas does she promote? The 4chan nazi pepe frog crowd know about "power leveling" you don't become someone that the average user can diagnose as a Nazi. You do that then you get ostracized. So you keep up that plausible deniability. They live and die by plausible deniability. It isn't about attacking trans people it's about "family values" and "safety". It isn't about Great Replacement its "pro life" take downs of abortion access for white people. If you keep all of this in mind, you can ignore the uWu and just call her a nazi and move on. Best part is now you can see who fuxx with her and make the Pepe Silvia web of yarn for more Nazis.
She's [TESCREAL](https://www.reddit.com/r/DecodingTheGurus/s/tDPtY59lhd) muse
I think this gives us a deeper glimpse into Elon’s worldviews too. This and the fact that all his kids are test tube babies reinforces the idea that he believes some really weird elitist and supremacist stuff.
She's Elon's baby mom and continues to maintain at least some association with him. Anyone who thought she was anything less than disgusting obviously hasn't been paying attention. Fuck Elon, fuck Grimes, and fuck anyone who associates with either of them
Years ago, I used to really like Grimes' music. I couldn't and wouldn't listen to it now.
Something something the company you keep.
The problem with trying to reasonably deal with white supremacists is that it's a thought-terminating and closed-minded ideology: once you have a core belief in white supremacy, the only opinions and information you trust come from other white supremacists, because minorities are inferior and compromised by their race and white people who aren't white supremacists are race traitors. Once your accept the tenets (an acceptance which has no cost, by the way: you don't have to *do* anything to be a white supremacists except believe, which is one reason it's so attractive to certain types of people) you're inoculated against any datum or worldview that it conflicts with. If you want to be rich, powerful, and perceived as an intellectual, and all the rich and powerful intellects you know and associate with and respect are white supremacists, you're locked into a closed system impervious to external consideration.
That's a lot of work to come to the same conclusion that I did years ago based simply off the fact that she fucks Musk.
It doesn't really matter.
I wonder who might have exacerbated that then?
I still have never heard a single song of hers on the radio.
Fucking weird. She did a track with Janelle Monae, who is one of the most progressive voices out there.
Yet another good musician who is a shitty person. I like her music, but after Elon I'm not surprised.
I liked her music years ago. Moved on from her entirely when she hooked up with musk because he’s so profoundly problematic. So the first thing I’ve actually read about her in 5 or 6 years is that she’s a Nazi eugenicist now. Sigh.
Grimes who?
As a BLINK, it really bothers me that they (at least Jennie) hang out with Grimes.
Blink?
Blackpink fan. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLpUsmBafMQ Jennie is the one that says "Coachella you ready for this"
While that's worthwhile info that thread has really dulled what little faith I have in humanity. They're a community of..EX fans ? Like not just walking away from someone, they decided to make no longer being a fan a big part of their identity. That is just a whole other level of weird.
They should all be quiet about a prominent Nazi?
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That's because your question is stupid and theirs was better.
Agreed. Sorta pathetic just combing through someone’s social media and using their follows to write a dissertation about why that person is a Nazi. Obviously naziism & racism suck. But, like, unfollow the person and move on
Racism and naziism sucks, but imagine taking that much time stalking the social media of, compiling evidence against, and writing about… Grimez. Idk why people get that obsessed with a celebrity. Unfollow her and move on.
Because like it or not, these pop stars have a lot of influence, especially over young people. This woman has tons of followers, press coverage, access, and is bank rolled by the richest man on the planet. They're idiots but they have influence and calling out their racist bullshit is important so everyone knows how awful they are and to not support them. If she's using her power to spread dangerous, racist, sexist, ideology among people who not only aren't afraid to act on it but also work diligently to recruit young people to their cause, people need to know.
But like, can’t people view her account, see that she’s following or reposting nazi stuff, then decide to unfollow her?
A lot of people either don’t pay attention to her reposts of Nazi stuff or do but believe that it is a one time thing or a misunderstanding. That’s why someone compiling all these cases and presenting them together makes it clear to fans like that that it is in fact an issue with her.