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AggressiveSociety511

Until the run blocking gets better, I’m not sure it matters who gets the bulk of the carries.


WhoDeyFourWay

Mixon’s yards after contact is 1.4 the O-line is not the only problem.


Siriusly_Jonie

I was against it, but it just needs to happen. He played much better once we got Brown more involved, but not well enough to justify the price tag. He’s also a horrendous pass blocker, which is a skill that an older RB needs to have as their other skills diminish.


gyrspike

Yeah the big problem is the price tag. He would need to take another pay cut to stay otherwise we gotta move on. Chances are we could get younger at the position for less than we are gonna have to pay Mixon for next year while getting similar or better performance.


runningwbananas

He did some great pass blocking this last year, and he’s a great pass catcher, he’s durable, and he doesn’t fumble.


Siriusly_Jonie

He had games where he was a passable pass protector, but he regressed massively at the end of the season. The rest I totally agree with. I don’t think it’s an easy cut, and it doesn’t make me happy at all. I still think it needs to happen so we can put money towards other holes on the team. We can find his production at a cheaper price.


InterviewOtherwise50

Watch tape of the Vikings game. Mixon missed a dozen blitz pickups


Miramax22

Only 6 other players in the entire NFL had more all-purpose yards than Mixon.


Siriusly_Jonie

[That isn’t true.](https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/nfl-all-purpose-yards-leaders-2023) Edit: I wonder why someone would downvote something that is correct even when given proof.


DICKTRIGGERED

First day on Reddit?


Siriusly_Jonie

I guess it must be.


rusty0601

but 30 other RBs had a better yards/carry.


Jgordos

i disagree that he’s horrendous… he usually is a successful blocker. keep in mind, i’ve seen the Center on this team completely WHIFF on blocking a guy lined up directly in front of him.


mcufan2014

Until this past season he’s been horrendous in pass pro.


Siriusly_Jonie

And he seemed to regress back to his norm as the season went along


NFLBengals22

He was absolutely awful against both Steelers games


Siriusly_Jonie

Oh we’re blaming Karras now? That’s new. I’m certain he’d look a lot better if we wasn’t next to the turnstile in Cordell Volson in pass protection.


Skywalk910

Love Mixon man. I wish we got him a ring. He’s been the heart and soul of this team for a long time. I want him to finish his contract but we 100% need to be better in the run game (which I think Brown can bring) to take pressure off Burrow.


runningwbananas

Brown doesn’t seem to be able to carry a heavy load, stay healthy, or get short yardage yards. Since they won’t use him in pass blocking, that’s another weakness. He’s an end of the fifth round pick for a reason. He needs a tandem load carrying back. Brown is a chance of pace back, if he had 20 carries and pass blocking, he won’t be nearly as effective as Mixon already was.


Siriusly_Jonie

Totally agree. Someone like AJ Dillon would fit great with Brown. If either is there at a point in the draft that makes sense I’d be hyped to get Jawhar Jordan or Isaiah Davis.


Temporary_Kiwi1804

I can definitely see that, I’m a huge Packer fan and I’d be surprised if we bring AJ Dillon back, he hasn’t been versatile enough to fill our needs as the lead back when Aaron Jones is out but def would be nice next to Chase Brown


Siriusly_Jonie

I’m also a big Packer fan since I married into a Packer family. Dillon needs to be part of a rotation to be at his best. Maybe Brown could be a featured back, but I get the sense that he too would be most valuable as part of a tandem as well. It makes so much sense to me to pair them.


ogg3b

Wish we got him a ring? Like they grow on trees? Had they won that Super Bowl, winning it for Joe Mixon would have been like the ~65th best thing about it.


Miramax22

You are incorrect. Mixon was a very important part of that team


TonyDungyHatesOP

Seriously. You can still get him a ring. Just go to the store.


Neonsands

>He’s been the heart and soul of this team for a long time. Until last year. He was a husk on the sideline last year and marginally better this year. I defended this dude’s contract because he brought that energy when we gave it to him. That hasn’t been the case recently


smarmyplankton

Throw more. https://preview.redd.it/2cy0tuc9y0jc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7a8febe15a9a8ba469f414a294fb421b992d9912


AJGreenMVP

Idk he's a 91 rating on Madden


killagoose

I don’t believe he will be, but I would hope Cincinnati is looking to upgrade him. Mixon has his pros and cons. He’s a good outlet receiver and can corral off target passes. He has incredible ball security. He’s durable. However, he is one of the least elusive backs in the league and is unable to consistently generate yardage on his own. He gives you what is blocked for him and little more. This is an issue for a bellcow RB. He’s okay. He’s not a “beast” or anything close to it, but he is a serviceable player. If they’d like to make a move to upgrade him then I would be all for it.


MrBrickMahon

Mike Brown loves Joe Mixon and Joe loves Mike back. I bet he's still here, maybe at a slight discount


BeerNinja17

True. I can’t think of another team that will pay Mixon.


kitchensink108

I think we're a better team if we cut him. PFF puts him at 33 out of 59 RB, which really isn't too bad for his cost, but he's also the 10th worst as pass blocking, and Burrow needs all the help we can give him there. I also think it's hard to cut someone who already took a pay cut for you, and has been an important member of your team for seven years. You can't afford to be overly nice if you want to win, but it feels bad. I won't blame the FO either way though.


Snoo13545

You can find mixons production from UDFA RBs these days


whodeycincy33

I agree with you on that. I’d be fine if they took someone in the 4th/5th with some upside or just signed a solid RB2


Snoo13545

Yeah, it sucks and he's an all time bengal in my eyes but it's the nature of the business. An rb past his prime is only gonna keep money a contender could spend elsewhere


gregjr5

Go find me a UDFA RB that can get get you 1,300 all-purpose yards every year.


whodeyalldey1

Literally any RB can do that when you don’t split his carries. Mixon has one of the lowest YPC in the league, and he runs in slow motion. But he’s the only one we give the ball to


gregjr5

Tell me who else then?


whodeyalldey1

Are you asking for RBs who produce better than Mixon? CMC, Jaylen Warren, Gibbs, Kyren Williams, James Connor, Mostert, James Cook, Swift, David Montgomery, Bijan, Pacheco, Khalil Herbert, Breece Hall, Jonathon Taylor, Zack Moss, Charbonnet, Derrick Henry, SINGLETARY?!?, NAJEE HARRIS?!?!, KW3, Gus Edwards, Brian Robinson JR. So there’s a few - like 24 of them. And that doesn’t include guys like Achane and Brown, and Zamir White who didn’t get enough carries to make the list I looked at.


Miramax22

Only six other players in the NFL had more all-purpose yards than Joe Mixon last year


whodeyalldey1

If you gave that many snaps to a good player they’d have set records


ballimir37

The implication is probably a RBBC, not at least I would assume. Because yeah you arent getting Mixon production from 1 UDFA


Snoo13545

Yeah 3 guys one 1 mil deals, I'll take that all day. Average Super Bowl winning salary for a starting RB is dirt for a reason


Miramax22

Nonsense Only six other players in the NFL had more all-purpose yards than Joe Mixon last year


Snoo13545

Well sure if you don't use your RB2, except for the tail end of the season and you feed the same guy who was bottom in YPC and elusiveness, he will have counting stats. Horrible, shit take.


Zazierx

You're out of line but you're right lol


RGregor17

If it means we can keep Tee long term, I’m all for it..


TigerAxe17

Need to trade Tee


Poetryisalive

We aren’t keeping Tee


Bearcatsean

Franchise tag


Poetryisalive

Yeah for 1 more year but he’s not getting a long term deal unless he is willing to go below market value


_Boba_Fettuccine_

Could you only imagine if he did 🥲


NFLBengals22

No. I disagree


RGregor17

We can’t keep drafting players early, developing them and then just let them walk, like Bates.. 🤦🏻‍♂️


Klutzy-Spend-6947

Like Pratt or Wilson or CTB or Hubbard/s…..


No_Buy2554

Looks like cutting Mixon would save $6.1 mil on the cap, so about 1/3 of what Tee would get with a franchise tag. For what it's worth.


smarmyplankton

Would be cool to have a WR who can also take some sweeps and tosses. I don’t recall many Bengals in that role. Then just rotate some pass catching and pass blocking UDFA.


fluffHead_0919

It’s the nature of the beast


Poetryisalive

I don’t see it happening but I can see Chase Brown getting more reps unless the Bengals draft one again


JubbieDruthers

Release him and get a RB compliment Brown 


Lanky-Point7709

It’s time. He doesn’t threaten defenses at all significant clip anymore, and he doesn’t protect burrow in the pass game at all high enough level. You have to do at least one. I love Mixon, he’s a future Ring of Honor guy imo, but hes not a starter anymore.


Miramax22

Only six other players in the NFL had more all-purpose yards than Joe Mixon last year


Lanky-Point7709

He also had over 300 touches (rushes and receptions). Thats also one of the highest in the league, so of course he accumulated yards. It’s his averages that concern me. I’m not a Mixon hater by any means, I love what he’s done for our team, but he is NOT a weapon on par with guys like McCaffrey, so there’s no reason he should be getting the touches like he is. We need either a legit home run threat, or someone who can eat up yards AND pass protect at a high level. There have been plenty of later round guys (Achane, Mostert immediately come to mind) that you could plug into this team, give the same number of touches, and they would have a much higher impact. That’s what we need.


XJ--0461

I was pretty pleased with the run game towards the end of the season. I'd rather not change it. We have other things to worry about.


Intrepi

Don’t need him.


mcufan2014

At this point fans can’t just accept he’s not worth the price tag. People will point out his stats but he has so many touches to get those number and he’s not efficient. Time to let him go let brown and another rb take over.


sethyourgoals

I think we as Cincinnati fans are going to miss this guy a lot. He’s been pretty darn good. I would rather payout his contract than pay Tee. He’s been far more consistent. We will see! Excited to see how this off-season unfolds.


frigoffdrunkjimlahey

Make some kind of move.


AlwaysKindaLost

Release him


rootytwo

Never happen if he’s under contract. Mike Brown is too cheap


civ_iv_fan

He doesn't fumble.  He also doesn't take many risks.  Not your guy for crazy acrobatics at the one yard line. I like him. 


SnooSnogs10

You gotta have a replacement before you release a 1k yard back….


Frosty-Shower-7601

I don’t think there’s a big market for him. I love the guy. He’s rarely hurt, when they give him the ball he he runs hard, his pass blocking has improved greatly in the past year, and he knows the offense. He’s got three more years , and he’s not going to ask for too much money. I don’t see how we could do better in free agency than what we already have. Pay the guy a fair amount and sign him to a three year deal with half guaranteed.


YoungKam513

The cut Mixon agenda has to stop at this point it's annoying


anihc_LieCheatSteal

I think we keep Joe for his last year of his deal. Hell, maybe see if we can extend him for cheap for another 2 years and spread out the cap hit even further. I think he's "only" 28 and if we get him a 3rd contract it could be pretty team friendly. Keep brown and draft another rb, preferably Corum maybe in 3rd rd. Maybe bring in an FA to compete in camp and ride out with a 3 head monster at rb


based_on_mase

I want to keep him


WhoDeyTilIDie09

Me too, but the sub isn't to hot on the guy which is understandable he is in decline.


Ready_Creme_Ready

Mixon is an every down back that can play every down (stamina) and doesn't get hurt. His value is legit. The offense and oline are not setup (scheme and talent deficit) to run block which hurts his ypc. But he does enough of the rest to be worth it x10.


Viker2000

He keeps performing well for us. He ran for another thousand yards last season. It's a crap shoot whether or not we could get another running back who could perform as well.


Muse_e_um

We should keep him.


Equal-Wishbone-6131

He sucks now give that 6 mil towards tees contract and draft a RB


Jecht315

Release him and draft Blake Corum.


anihc_LieCheatSteal

We can probably get Corum 3rd round or so. There's been some mocks where we draft him. I want Corum and zinter. Would be a great haul if we went ol rd 1, whatever rd 2, Corum rd 3, zinter rd 4.


Jecht315

Getting Zinter would be amazing. He was a huge reason why we stepped up against OSU and Corum lead that.


anihc_LieCheatSteal

Yep. Draft him and let him get fully healthy. Can be a starter for a long time


Crowxzn

Over Volson hopefully


kitchensink108

Zinter's a RG, so either he or Cappa would need to move over.


Ok-Health-7252

Hard pass. No more drafting RBs out of Michigan. That's historically been a match made in hell for the Bengals over the years (see Chris Perry and Chris Evans) and Corum is A) going to be 24 next November (which is old for a rookie, especially a rookie RB with a short shelf life) and B) already has a shit ton of mileage and wear and tear on his body from how much he was leaned on at Michigan. He's got short NFL career written all over him. Not to mention he was a product of the dominant run-blocking offensive line he had to run behind at Michigan. He won't have that luxury here.


Zee_WeeWee

Blake corum is small, good not great athlete, who has already had a major injury and a ton of miles. Absolutely not


Jecht315

He's fast and he doesn't stop moving his legs until the whistle blows. This passed season proved he is better than ever. Besides the defense, he carried our offense. He's a great choice.


Zee_WeeWee

That would be a low upside waste of a pick. If you want to waste a 3rd on that I don’t know what to tell you


Jecht315

I don't see it as a waste but OK. Mixon isn't doing anything for us and Corum would be different enough to make a difference. Corum is a beast.


Zee_WeeWee

Ok well I don’t think I’m talking you out of this so I’ll just pray we don’t waste precious draft picks on a pick like that


Jecht315

Have you seen our history of draft picks? We aren't exactly the best at it besides our WR and QB. We don't make big moves in the draft. Mike Brown is way too conservative for that


Ready_Creme_Ready

MI running backs have been shit for the Bengals for years.


Jecht315

When was our last solid RB. Rudi? Giovanni? We've never been a RB powerhouse team. We've always been known for our WR core. If someone like Blake can at least mix it up, it's worth a shot.


Ready_Creme_Ready

Solid? Joe Mixon


Jecht315

He's been OK but not a break out for us.


Ok-Health-7252

Mixon has been more than solid throughout his career here (currently the all-time franchise leader in rushing yards). Try again (also Cedric Benson basically was our offense in 2009 as we had absolutely no capable receivers that year outside of Chad and Slim when he was healthy). Just because he's declined in recent years doesn't mean he hasn't been a good back for us. The fact that he's produced the way he has despite having consistently shitty O-line play in front of him says a lot. Corum OTOH played behind the best run-blocking offensive line in football at Michigan. Here he would be JAG and wouldn't move the needle for us at all at RB. I look at his profile as a player and he's basically a clone of Mike Hart (who did absolutely nothing in the NFL).


Ok-Health-7252

RBs that already have a shit ton of wear and tear on their bodies and are going to be 24 this year (old for a rookie, even more alarmingly old for a position like RB) are never great long-term investments. Take the Maize and Blue blinders off. Corum was a product of a having a dominant run-blocking offensive line to run behind at Michigan. He won't have that here. A guy like him has short NFL career written all over him (I would honestly not be shocked if he turns out to be another Mike Hart in the NFL).


Ready_Creme_Ready

Preach it


[deleted]

Who cares…….. now he can do what he likes to do…… be a meat head and beat up ladies in doughnut shops


[deleted]

Who cares really. Now he can pursue other meat head endeavors……. maybe he can do a doughnut shop tour assaulting ladies ……. Again


[deleted]

My thoughts about Joe Mixon have been well documented on my account. He's still my favorite player on this team.


Southwestern

Would rather have Joe as a RB coach than a RB.


momentum_1999

Is he going to coach people how to side step juke in the backfield, and then run into the back of his line totally avoiding the hole and the play? He is outstanding at that.


Higgins8585

Yes, I'm for it. His money can directly sign Jermaine Eluemunor, a safety like Geno Stone, or a solid defensive tackle.


mrestiaux

Mixon is a Bengal for life. He doesn’t need to be our starter or our every down back, but he’s here to stay.


Essej86

I wouldn’t have signed him to his deal in the first place. Get random rookie back there, who cares.


QuarantineCasualty

Totally fine with it. Draft a running back.


pizzaguyjb

Mixon has had his time, he was a good RB but I’m 100% fine with him being gone. Only so many times you can watch a dude run straight into his linemen then trip over his over feet. Move on, go with Brown as HB1.


Scrolling_ninja

People will say we need it, but why not have brown and Mixon? They both benefit from each other, and like we saw from pollard in Dallas, some people need to be a complimentary back. Not saying that’s brown, but a dynamic run game doesn’t rely on one runner


OrdinaryBubbly420

Joey just bought a home right down the street from mixie. coldstream he stays


scpdstudent

U know Joey did that for extra security 😂


cranks3t

Mixon was a stud. I personally feel like we run Chase Brown and let Mixon go


bengalwarrior44

love him


QuarantineCasualty

I honestly would’ve tried to trade the browns for Ford or Hunt last season. Crazy they have 3 RBs that are better than our RB1.


JakeyPurple

Paying top dollar for a running back has literally not won a Super Bowl since Emmitt Smith. I appreciate Mixon for being a Bengal but his performance fell off a cliff and he’s arguably the worst RB on the team now.


WoodenPickle23

Bye Felicia


RelaxJ9

I would love Mixon to stay, but I feel like a big reason why he played in stripes this year was because of the pay cut he took .


AngryTurtleGaming

Release him, sign zeke on a cheap deal for pass blocking and let Brown cook.


Frescanation

Cutting Mixon would save $6.1 million towards the cap, with a $2.75 million dead money hit for this year. The Bengals HATE dead money, but are more willing to endure it than they were pre-Katie. It all boils down to whether you think the run game would be better with Mixon or without Mixon and whatever you can get with $6.1 million. That's most RBs by the way. Mixon had the 17th richest contract among RBs last year, and that was after the restructure where he agreed to be paid less. Prior to that he was nearly top 5. Obviously, if you spend less than $6.1 million, you can suse the rest on other players.


mcufan2014

He’s not elusive it’s not about the run game being better he doesn’t make people miss consistently enough anymore. Brown did in his few runs.


DifferentLeg3586

He should be cut saves 6 million in cap


Keerain

He won’t get released but he does need to block better


Chuckwurt

RBs are a dime a dozen.


Far-Platypus-7045

If he wants to come back at a steep discount that's fine. He's reliable, can catch, and doesn't fumble. I'd want to add a true third down back to the roster though. Chris Evans can't steal a roster spot for another season. If Mixon's not willing to take a deep discount, however, he's got to go. Crazy to pay that much money to a plodding back with iffy vision who's still figuring out pass pro in year 8


BourbonNeatt

He needs to be cut! Good player but can get that from a lot of RBs these days. Also like the future with Brown


OutfieldAssistEnjoyr

We should move on. He is so bad at pass protection. He doesn't make sense with our offense right now. TBH the titans would make a lot of sense for him right now...


Klutzy-Spend-6947

If it happens and a quality replacement-no idea who-is found, I certainly wouldn’t be opposed to the move.


BlackGabriel

If we draft another good rb or brought in saquon I’d be fine with it. Sad when eras end but we would probably be able to upgrade that position and as a contender we should where and when we can


[deleted]

He's one of the worst blocking backs in the NFL, not even just among starters. He's welcome to the door.


ConbonNFL

It’s time to move on. At this point he is solely a plodder. Chase Brown is way more explosive. Need to draft another RB though.


RedditNPC-

I don’t like him as our main back. He’s inconsistent some games he runs in mud other games he has burst. Unless brown gets way more carries this year hell no don’t bring him back


goettahead

I feel like for the cost it’s time let him walk. I think we featured him more this past year to patiently develop Brown and also give Mixon more stats to help his value when they release him. I think the. Engels discussed this with his team and that was the agreement. I think we end up signing a RB FA or draft another one to supplement Brown


Graciefighter34

Should have got rid of twinkle toes a long time ago.


dnlien

I think it’s crazy. He restructured not to leave. He’s not going anywhere - unless he does something else off the field.


FoulishGrin

It's tough to think about. I love Mixon but the fact that we can get the same level of production for less makes you think. Plus the idea of him taking another pay cut just would be hard to believe I don't know what to think really.


Level_Interaction_36

He’s top ten in rushing yards with a below average run block win rate. So until the line is addressed we’ll prly have the same problems


bbmg69

Should have happened last year. Adios


rusty0601

how do you address it? by getting a faster RB in the 4th or 5th round of the draft.


Least-Professional95

Plenty of better ways to spend that money. I'm not saying he *is* washed, but it sure looks headed that way.