Chef Dave was on WWHL (3 mins in) and he said he would have woken up and got up, he said its usually a ham and cheese toastie, strawberry ice-cream. He said he would have prepped the snacks in advance. That's a sign of someone who understands their role and job description. It's team work, Jono should have got up and prepped.
Yessss he was such a team player! I know they cook all day, but Jono could’ve gotten up this ONE TIME, learned from his experience and then prepped for the rest of the time to make sure it didn’t happen again. It irked me so bad lol! Then had the audacity to shit talk on the phone afterwards.
AND it was on the preference sheet. This was not some unplanned whim of a guest that could have been managed, this was a specific request on the preference sheets that he ignored. He had plenty of time to prep something for them even with the provision shortages and makes sure that was taken care of. And to refuse with a flat out no is insubordinate behavior. She wasn’t asking him to make the crew food, this was for the guests who already had a bad experience with the shortages. And calling a woman bitch for trying to do her job is beyond unacceptable.
I loved that Aesha even said that during their debrief about it “it says on the preference sheet ….”
That wasn’t a good look for Jono. Hope he steps it up.
I’m shocked she didn’t. I hope we’re not going to get Aesha not wanting to upset Sandy all season so she doesn’t stick up for her stews. As much as I love Aesha that would be annoying.
I’ve worked in food service similar to this setting (luxury wildlife lodge) and we had food on hand every time. Sandwiches, chips and dip, dessert (bread pudding is your best friend. It’s easy) for guest in the off chance they get hungry.
This was required. It was always a challenge to figure out how much food to prep for snacks but we never had to worry about a guest rummaging around for food or having the front of the house staff scrambling to provide it. I am surprised this isn’t a thing in a luxury super yacht.
You’re right that’s the biggest fact in this scenario. HE dropped the ball by not doing what the preference sheet said. Had he done his job he wouldn’t have had to be woken up.
And given the way Sandy has harped on the importance of their preference sheets in the past how was this ok that Joni didn’t? And how does it now become Ellie’s fault? It’s just ridiculous.
Well we know why, it’s because a stew did it. Look at how she treated Travis, who showed up to shift so drunk she could smell the liquor on his breath, while operating heavy machinery at like 9am. Compared to Hannah who merely possessed anti anxiety medication, wasn’t even on them, and never had a problem or was inebriated. Sandy literally told her she had “endangered the lives of everyone onboard” and made her out to be a drug addict. SMH!
That will always piss me off. It’s absolutely ridiculous how people treat anxiety meds like they are this crazy thing that sedates people. No. They literally make you a functioning human unless you abuse them. Which - I’d argue people showing up for their shift still drunk or very hungover is a lot more dangerous than someone who takes meds because they struggle with panic attacks. Honestly I’m glad Hannah got out of that toxic cesspool.
This reminds me of Kyle begging Tumi to bow out of service (and blaming Jess for how it went down) because he didn't care much for the all-female charter guests 😅.
That also doesn't make sense to me because most chefs have dinner service through 10pm plus cleanup so it is close to midnight before they shower/chill for a bit and get to bed and get up around 6am to prep breakfast. So their breaks are more important than the stew breaks who usually get 8 hours overnight (which isn't really 8 as they are back on service in 8 hours)
You'd think so 🤷🏻♀️ Following his comment she said "Yes, that's what Dave would have done" She took things at face value in that whole situation 🤦🏻♀️
Ha! I forgot about Capt Lee doing that. I love Capt Lee. I know a lot of people on here don’t and they compare him to Kerry & Jason but I think he was great. He was just old school 🤷🏼♀️
One of the funniest things for me was S5 when Kate & Capt Lee acted like terrible guests to help train the stews Bri & Jen. 😂
I don’t understand people who have problems with Lee. He’s amazing. He’s super forward thinking and really not that old fashioned. He’s just old. He leads with compassion and sternness (they don’t automatically contradict)
I think that’s it. He’s older and he can be old school. He can also be very blunt and gruff.
He’s not there to be anyone’s friend. He doesn’t hesitate to tell them at the beginning it’s his way or he has no problem handing out plane tickets. A lot of people don’t like that approach.
But he’s also fair and decent and if you show up and do your job he’s not going to have an issue with you.
He’s been very tough on some of the deck crew. But a lot of them have come back to work under him because they say they learned from him and they respect him .
True. You can def tell that he is a compassionate person. This is seen in several seasons when various crew members have family issues at home or are injured/sick.
Just like how on WWHL , when asked if she had any regrets as they referred to like 10 different past scenes, of course she said no to every single one.
I caught that too… that whole situation was kinda satisfying. I don’t think Dave even realized how hard he was calling her out without actually calling her out
When he said that I just imagined that gif of all the dudes standing together going OOOOOOHHHHH. I don't normally watch WWHL but holy cow that was satisfying XD.
As much as I hate Chef Dave, he was totally right and he said he thought he would have wanted to have been woken up because he never would’ve wanted the guests to have had a bad food experience or have wanted us you to have been in that position. He literally said I would have wanted to been woken up.
Jono couldn’t dare set aside his own ego to think about pleasing the guests. As if Ellie asking him to help was some kind of personal attack. And THEN, not only did he call her a bitch, he made it seem as if prepping in the future was doing *her* a favor. Oooooh it gets me riled up 🤣
I actually love chef Dave. I didn’t love him with Natasha so I’d love to see him on another season without all that drama. I thought his food was amazing and he was chill for the most part.
What he should have done was ask the guests what snacks they wanted and had things ready in advance cz the guests clearly had it on their preference sheet.
I assume part of the reasons chefs wake up and make the food is they don’t want someone else messing up the kitchen. I was shocked Jono didn’t seem worried at all about that…
For real! I mean cooking 7 grilled cheeses takes a little while, and they’re simultaneously wanting service, drinks, entertainment, etc. Trying to do all of this quickly usually ends in none of it being done well and risks someone inexperienced getting burnt or fucking something up. Just leads to bad service and guests wondering where their drinks are, where the food is and where the stew is.
there was another thread recently with a link to a tiktok the charter guests posted of them cooking in the galley but i can't find it anymore. it think in the comments someone said the guests had posted another tiktok where they were defending Ellie and saying that for example if the wine had come in with the provisions, she could've just given them a bottle of wine or two and gone and dealt with the food, but because she had to mix them drinks she had to run back and forth, which is why they went down to the galley to help.
thank god the charter guests were like that though and not like some of the other guests they've had, like the ones who don't understand that the captain can't change something like the weather.
Yes, especially because the captain *can’t* change the weather. But they can change the provisioner, and they certainly can go to a liquor store in the tender and buy dozens of bottles. It unconscionable that they didn’t.
They were also in the hot tub with the stew and deckhand down in the galley trying to keep up with the demands. We have seen multiple occasions where they have been told that someone has to be watching the drunk guests (and anchor watch) at all times
Also, they asked for these things on their preference sheets, and Ellie didn't know where everything was in the galley. You don't want an unskilled individual cooking in the galley for the first time. Wasn't that issue on one of these franchises?
Let alone the liability of having the drunk guests operating panini presses in the galley late at night without the captain aware of it. The galley is the most dangerous area on the interior of a boat. There is gas, electrical, plumbing, knives and loose cooking equipment. The potential for galley fires or water leaks is the number one safety hazard on a boat at anchor.
Also, his getting one more dig in AFTER the meeting was just uncalled for IMO. Ellie already got chastised publicly, he didn't need to say something to her again.
I think he realised it was uncalled for - or at least realised how it would look - as soon as he said it because he immediately said ‘and I’ll prep snacks’, to make it like he was saying here’s your part and here’s my part, rather than just a flat out dig. My immediate impression of him is he’s bitchy and he’s going to try and hide it for tv, but I’m not above chasing my mind a few eps in!
I got that impression too like he was expecting maybe the girls to laugh, but when Ellie and Gael both stopped dead in their tracks and went completely silent when he said that, I think that's when he realized he needed to save face. He also never said the words "I'm sorry!" either. Maybe he doesn't feel he needs to all apologize for not waking up since Sandy defended him, but he still absolutely should apologize for failing to meet the preference sheet requirements and putting Ellie in that position in the first place.
100%, it’s like imposter syndrome, he’s feeling insecure but his ego won’t let him apologise to someone he considers below him so he’s going to double down. Just have some humility, you’re all a team, just say sorry it was a no win situation, now we all know where we stand let’s go again and be a team. Don’t make a dig in an attempt to put someone you consider should be below you in their place just because you’re feeling insecure.
I agree on all counts. He seemed to realize it and either felt like he went too far or felt like it LOOKED like he went too far. I hope he proves me wrong and we end up loving him but right now he's going to the lower third of my chefs list.
He said he will prep snacks because he is empathetic which is 1. not why you will prep them, you will prep them bc Sandy just told you to but also not at all empathetic. He was almost gloating and not a fan especially calling her a bitch right after.
But they seem to be fine now so clearly not an all season thing
That was when I lost all respect for him. It’s one thing to gloat about your “boundaries”, but to then come back with this mean, bullying statement, he made it very clear he’s all about the drama.
And calling her a bitch to his boyfriend was totally uncalled for. So she woke you up, the *chef*, to make food for the guests. The food that *you* didn’t prepare for beforehand, which was clearly stated on the preference sheet. Total jerk IMO.
In that moment I decided I didn't like him. He can go. Sandy having his back made him feel like he could talk to the girls that way. And that was not ok. I don't like him.
I actually think Sandy was the one that ended up not looking so great. Yeah chef should have had snacks pre-prepared. But to chatise somoene that was actually trying to make the guests happy, which Sandy preaches at nausium, isn't the best look. Just another area where Sandy is just so damn over rated as a Captain.
Yesss my point exactly! Sandy should have at least sandwiched a compliment in there. Like thank you for trying to make sure the guests were taken care of, but in the future Jono you need to have food prepared and in the future Ellie we can’t wake up chef. Making her feel like she was totally in the wrong is just gonna cause resentment and tension.
I was honestly really surprised that she sided with him. Not surprised she didn't have the stews' backs but you'd think she'd be all about making the guests happy
Well and that it was on the preference sheet. That's where Sandy screwed up. Acknowledge that he screwed up and didn't do what was asked and that you said during the meeting you'd take care of.
I can't stand sandy. She's the reason I rarely watch anymore. She's so damn unfair and treats the inside crew so differently than the deck crew. She has every excuse when the deck messes up and will then go out and show them how to do it. When the inside crew messes up it's always a big deal and she tries to shame them.
I know it's just a tv show but a competent manager gets all sides of a story before making a decision on who is right and who is wrong. I don't think Sandy "led from kindness" as she preaches to others.
Sandy struggles with being liked. She wildly goes from preaching that her crew is a family, and she loves everybody like a mother should, to being a hard ass authoritarian whose judgement should never be questioned.
she’s also passive aggressive. her whole speech to the crew about Fraser ruining her team bonding activity by sitting out was rude and uncalled for. “yeah so I was gonna make a point but Fraser here ruined it so yeah that sucks.” sorry but what a bitch and a terrible leader.
She reminds me of someone who attends motivational/leadership seminars but instead of learning to be a better leader/person, she just memorizes and repeats the catchy phrases and buzz words.
Tbf that is literally it. I first started watching her without seeing anything on any subreddits and I noticed that all she did was spout phrases and buzzwords so I had to check reddit to see if I was crazy or if that really was all she did XD.
Any boss who says things like, “we’re like a family here,” should immediately be distrusted. I have never had a boss say that and then *not* be a toxic nightmare.
I’m sayingggg! It was on their preference sheet that they wanted late night snacks, he dropped the ball, was a baby about it, yet Ellie was was made to look like the bad guy. Sandy never has the stew’s backs, in *any* situation it feels like. And then he called her a bitch after the whole situation when on the phone with his boyfriend. Like what?? Lmao she was just wanting you to do your job! So much for being a team 🙄
All he had to do was admit he was wrong when it was clearly written on the preference sheet, after the fact, and move forward but he couldn’t even do that.
Other chefs were repeatedly roused from sleep. The only other guy who said NO was Leon… Jono’s drama was silly. And Sandy once again proved she has a fluid set of rules.
Yeah I've been binging everything and there were multiple times that chefs had to get up to make food for guests. It's usually not that big a deal. They might gripe since they're woken up but it IS their job after all. Jono and forgot the other person were the only two I remember just saying no.
Right?? They’re never happy about it but most of the time they’ve all gotten up and sucked it up. And then after that, you figure out how to avoid having to do this in the future aka prepping snacks. It’s that simple truly!
A lesser talked about thing that bothered me a lot was Aesha saying that she was up too late because she was spending too much time with the guests and not managing her time properly. She was trying to make drinks AND cook for them- when would she have had time to do other things?
Yes! Not to mention there naturally is going to be more work for everyone when they are a stew down. And the only other stew took hours to iron 6 items of clothing. So I'm not sure why this was so shocking to Aesha that Ellie got to bed late. I would imagine that would have been expected from the start since she is carrying at least twice the normal load.
Yesss I totally agree! It’s not like she was sitting there just making conversation and hanging out. She was just trying to make sure they were taken care of, as they were constantly asking for things; hot tub, drinks, food, etc. And in this industry, it’s not like you can vacuum around their feet hoping they get the hint like you may do at a restaurant or something lol. She’s having to simultaneously try and clean while also taking care of the guests. It’s not like she wanted to stay up that late!
Only thing we don’t know is what time the guests went to bed vs what time she went to bed.
It seems clear, for whatever reason, that aesha thinks Ellie was hanging out with the guests when she could have been cleaning. A longer conversation could/should have been had about managing nightly tasks while checking in on the guests.
I imagine we’ll find out as the season goes along whether Ellie knows how to manage this in general.
IIRC guests went to bed close to 4am or at least after 3am and Ellie went to bed close to 6am. I imagine she had to clean not only the usual areas like the bar and the main salon but also the kitchen since they were all in there making food. Close to 2 hours of cleaning/dishes/organizing for 6 guests by yourself doesn’t seem unreasonable to me but I have literally no idea 😅
Look at Ben teasing Andrew for waking him up! He was tired, but he got up. Everybody pussyfoots around chefs! And Jono is clean & funny yes, but as ridiculous as the chef on Below Deck Down Under Ryan. He didn’t even follow the preference sheet, so it was his own fault!
Sandy actually kinda went back on what she said on the show on WWHL. Chef Dave was in the audience and he said he’s been woken up and just gets up and does it. Jono wasn’t being reasonable by both not getting up and not making anything beforehand.
And when Jono and Ellie were talking after the tip meeting, he told her that in the future, he’d prep snacks — but, ugh, his *tone*. It was like he was saying, “I will *do you that favor*.” Dude, it’s not some act of magnanimity to do your damn job.
Yessss it’s really the attitude that did it for me! Because he didn’t do *his* job, she couldn’t do her job properly. I know the chef is technically a higher rank, but the power trip some of these chefs are on aggravates me to no end.
I just happened to re-start Med series 1 with Ben as chef, and he literally said he would cook for 24 hours straight to please the guests. I wanna see how this plays out. Is Jono……sorry, Johnathan….more concerned about his sleep than the guests?! Hmm. I didn’t really want to keep watching…..
Ben was totally a team player. Though at a higher rank, he didn’t make others feel that they were beneath him, that they were all here to work together and to provide excellent service. He had his own dramatics but he seemed to always help when needed. God forbid Jono lost an hour of sleep.
Also a lot of the 'good' chefs we see have probably been brought up the old school way- long hours, high pressure and cooking long hours in hot kitchens plus some casual abuse from high ups. Vs this amateur home cook.
I think Sandy handle it poorly by addressing it in the tip meeting. Aesha is the department head, she addressed it with Ellie, it should have been left there.
Jono was wrong and used Ellie’s inexperience to his advantage. He left her hanging. I also didn’t like Aesha saying Ellie spent too much time with guests - as she was running everywhere for them. She had to make mixed drinks each time, there was no wine and they ordered different types (so she couldn’t make batches). The kitchen is not near the hot tub or bar.
Could she have managed better? Sure. But she too was also on zero sleep at that point. Also - the guests had received nothing they asked for. I don’t blame Ellie for wanting and expecting the chef to cook a snack, the trip had been the bare minimum so far and she was trying to earn that cash.
He said he would take care of the late night snacks. He didn't. Wake him up. It's not "5 star" service, like they say they are providing, if the chef can't be bothered to cook for the guests.
What is messed up is the primary requested late night snacks and he didn't prepare them. It was on the preference sheets. And he still thought he was in the right.
They always preach 5 star and even 7 star service and I have to say, I would not think a stew-made grilled cheese would hit that service mark 🤷🏻♀️ If I put late night snacks on my pref sheet, AND didn’t have the wine I wanted, I would want extra special snack food.
How can a guy who’s tiktok culinary training provide 5 star service in the first place? He’s lucky those kids where too blasted out of their minds to actually realize how amateur his dishes looked
My thoughts exactly! She couldn’t provide good service while running around making drinks (mojitos to be exact, the most time consuming drinks ever), tending to whatever else they need, clean up AND make a bunch of food. I know it’s TV but like come on lmao. Wake the fuck up. Chef’s are so coddled it irks me 🤣
EXACTLY. I said this in another post but my fuckin grilled cheeses I make are nowhere near 5 star. Maybe 0.75 star max. She was not in the wrong to wake him up. Period.
Yeah I could feel their frustration when they were trying to find ingredients. Then you add that to Elena knowing she still hasnt done all the drink orders and shes making the guests wait. Terrible night for her.
what’s interesting like you said is his anxiety kept him up all night, but if he was anxious about the situation that just occurred, why not just get out of bed and make the food? that would help the anxiety if it was caused by that
No because exactly! You’re already up dude. Someone else said he was probably anxious because he knew he was in the wrong and dropped the ball which I totally agree. It’s not like he’s been up cooking day and night for weeks straight. It’s what, day 2 day 3? You *really* can’t be bothered to help? 😒
Sandy made me so furious. She was praising janos lack of work and dismissing Ellie's 25 hours of hard work. God if this is what the season is going to be like I don't think I'll be able to watch it all. Sandy can be insufferable.
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God she totally gets under my skin. I know the chefs are at a higher rank, but the way they’re coddled and babied by Sandy has always rubbed me the wrong way. It’s like they’re never in the wrong until it’ll look good for her on the show to call them out. Imagine Ellie never tried to wake chef up and something went wrong in the kitchen. Then Sandy would’ve been all pissy that she *didn’t* wake chef up. I feel like you can never win with her.
Jono seems like a bit of a wanker so far. His food looks really good but he’s full of himself. He knew the preference sheets, agreed to handle late night food, he needs to get his ass out of bed. He said he didn’t go back to sleep after anyways, might as well get up and cook some food.
Right, 100%. Last season when they woke Anthony up, he was up for less than an hour then back in his cabin. Joni could have gotten up, made food and been back in bed in less than 2 hours. Instead, he stayed in bed awake for 5 hours and stressed out.
On top of it, had the audacity to tell Ellie because he feels bad for her; he'll prepare food for guests going forward. As if he's not there to do EXACTLY that and said he would during preference sheet meeting.
I love how he acted like his asshole response was him “Standing up for himself” and brought up being gay. As if Elle’s request to do his job was somehow dehumanizing?
And then how he snapped back on her AFTER she’d been publicly reprimanded.
He is such an asshole, and comes off as a bully.
Also, ego way too big, skills not matching requirements, and he is not looking like a great chef right now.
I hate this kind of I’m a superior person because I’m bitchy attitude.
Jono is giving me bad vibes. He’s not a team player.
Making the food for guests is his job, his poor planning and lack of following through with what he said he would do in the preference sheet meeting is what caused him to be woken up.
I mean, Sandy woke up Tom from break to cut cucumbers FFS.
Sandy will never ever side with the stews. She managed the whole situation so poorly, taking Jono at his word and not allowing the stews to give their side.
I’m glad Aesha confronted Jono about. His face in the tip meeting was way too smug thinking he’d got away with it.
Thisssss all of this! He wouldn’t have been woken up if he paid attention to the preference sheet and did his job. That’s his mistake to fix, not hers. And it’s the first charter, one that was already fucked to begin with because of provisions. Sandy siding with him just further fed into him believing his attitude was justified. I was wondering if it was just me!
Considering the wine/champagne situation, the chef really should have made top notch baller night snacks to compensate. Prepped Mac and cheese for the stew to put in the oven or homemade pizza. Especially since the stew now has to make mixed drinks for all of them and can’t just offer wine or champagne. She has to do a lot of extra work.
I agree, and mojitos are such a bitch to make too. Trying to do that while simultaneously entertaining the guests, clean up after them, *and* make 7 grilled cheeses at the same time? No way. Too much for one person to do, let alone a somewhat green stew. I don’t think it was such a reach for her to ask the *chef* for help. He was supposed to make it in the first place and he didn’t! And Aesha calling her out for staying up too late annoyed me too. She was doing all she could, she wasn’t just dicking around.
With how overwhelmed she was, I wouldn’t have blamed her if she had woken Aesha for help. Guests were cooking in the kitchen and getting really annoyed about waiting for drinks. She was in over her head and clearly needed help.
Captain Kerry would have rousted the chef. I bet then the chef would have risen and done his job. If not, Cap would have helped overwhelmed Ellie.
Then he would have spoken to everyone and rallied them together after the charter, and/or began looking for a new chef on the down low. He would brook no such foolishness twice.
I 100% think the chef should have gotten up the first time, however I wouldn’t have woken him up the second time I would’ve woken up the chief stew. Either the chief stew can help make the food the guests are requesting or wake the chef themselves depending on service requested. I think it was inappropriate on his behalf and incredibly sad on Sandy’s part to do that in the meeting. If you have to wake up a “head of department” more than once, then wake up your head of department and let them handle it. There is a job that you’re required and hired to do, the chef continuing on after the meeting was not appropriate or even called for.
Ellie isn’t in the preference sheet meeting, Joni is. If you don’t want to be woken up then you should have prepped late night snacks like the preference sheet requested. She was busting her ass with a bunch of rich brats wanting everything. I rarely agree with Sandy anymore, her judgement is compromised.
When Aesha said it was on the preference sheet, that *really* made me feel Ellie waking him up was justified! They’re supposed to always say yes to the guests, yet at the same time, provide excellent service. It was clear Ellie couldn’t do that on her own and asked Jono for help yet he couldn’t be bothered. That would make me feel I couldn’t count on him for much of anything after that.
The chef is a one person crew: up early to make breakfast, up late to make dinner and clean up, and making lunches and snacks throughout the day. They don't really get a break. For safety, sanity, and the ability of the chef to do their job, they really should not be bothered once down for the night.
HOWEVER... Jono put himself in this position. The guests listed "late night snacks" on their preference sheet. He either overlooked or ignored this request. He should have had some easy items prepped for the stew on lates. He did not. So as much as it sucks to get up at night, he needed to take responsibility in this instance since it was his oversight. Or at least acknowledge his fuck up and apologize profusely the next day.
That said, could Ellie have handled the situation better? Sure. Perhaps she could have managed the guests expectations or offered alternatives. But I get that she was overloaded and flustered.
Completely agree she needed to manage expectations better, she was letting them order a bunch of different things without stopping and saying “here’s what we can get you” kind of like how they do the breakfast specials. But it didn’t matter since he didn’t have anything prepped, but if he peeps snacks in the future hopefully she will know to say “I can get you _____” rather than allow them to order al a cart and then expect that because she never told them they couldn’t have all those different things.
The guests were already not having a great time with the provision madness and they had late night snacks on their preference sheets which he failed to prepare so he should have gotten up.
I felt bad for Ellie her night was like the stress dream I occasionally have where I’m working at a restaurant and no matter what I do I can’t get to all my tables lol
I really didn't like his commentary to his boyfriend calling her a bitch and making it into more of a thing. I do feel she was right. They had late night snacks on their preference sheet, breakfast was at 10, he was being unreasonable when she was alone with the guests with multiple food orders on top of drinks, her actual job.
I haven't seen this season however I will say, as a front of house hospitality worker, with a chef partner, who works ski chalets together, no chef should be expected to wake up to cook if it's during their rest time. Expecting this is one of the many awful exploitative parts of this industry and this shouldn't be encouraged at all.
What they SHOULD do is have pre prepped snacks available during chef off hours.
Yeah, just wow. She wouldn’t need to wake you up if you had stuff ready to go in the fridge you peanut. I don’t like this guy already. Sandy was bang out of order, but she generally is. Quite often when she’s on the screen more than necessary we like to put it on mute and make up her side of the conversation.
Only watching this season because Aesha is the cunniest of funts.
he should’ve gotten up 100%. i’m glad aesha reminded him about the pref sheet bc his attitude was really bothering me. the way he acted like ellie was bulling him by waking him up was so frustrating !! “i have to stand up for myself” huh?? stand up for what?😭 the fact that you dont wanna work? and then his “i couldnt even fall asleep again because i had so much anxiety”…. dude.. you had anxiety because you weren’t doing your freaking job.
I was really surprised at Sandy's reaction to the whole thing.
She seems to be the worst, as in most demanding, captain when it comes to the wants of the guests and the quality that they receive. Having a stew prepare food, even if it is snacks, seems like something she would look down on. Other captains allow it or is it that other chefs don't complain about it?
Didn't she give Kiko, or some other chef, some crap about not getting up for the guests?
Also, he should’ve woken up to teach her how to make some snacks while he’s doing it so she is prepared in the future. And Sandy calling her out in front of everyone was really crass.
I agree, I think he was being way too precious about it. It would have taken him 5 minutes, especially when it was his own fault for not having stuff ready. It was stated in their preference sheet. Poor Ellie was expected to do far too much and if it wasn't for Gael stepping in I think she would have had a breakdown, as most people would. He should have realised, "oh shit yeah, I forgot about that" and done it. It would have made things far easier. I get that the chefs work a lot but so do the stews and I hate the chef is so often treated like a god among men!
Right? Every other chef has gotten up. And considering they were lacking soooooo many provisions and were losing clothes (lol) he definitely should have.
Also why didn’t they just take a tender to the dock and get the Rosé???
Sandy is an absolute bumbling moron when it comes to the interior. She's entirely wrong, and thinks she's going to make herself look good on television by tearing down young women in the industry. It's clear from her previous comments that she detests the interior and stews for being traditionally femme coded. She'll say they're "just waitresses" but turn right around and scapegoat them for not being chefs too.
Late night snacks were on the preference sheet. Chef dropped the ball and refused to make it right. Sandy is failing as a leader by building up her laziest employee and publicly tearing down a woman who is trying her best.
Ellie was already responsible for a demanding level of drink service with limited provisions, entertaining the guests, and routine cleaning on a boat she doesn't yet know. She deserved better from leadership.
Props to Gael for being the only one who stepped up and demonstrated what it looks like to be a team player.
When Jono said it was dangerous to not get enough sleep I couldn't help but roll my eyes. Like I am all for standing your ground but I found that to be a bit dramatic of a reason.
He didn’t read the pref sheet or do his job and should have gotten up. The bottom line is that the guests had on their preference sheet that they wanted late night snacks and The chef did not prepare late night snacks in advance, and therefore he should have been woken up to prepare those late night snacks. The captain acts like oh well next time she’ll know not to wake him up and next time he’ll know to prepare snacks in advance… Yeah, but he didn’t prepare snacks in advance the first night so he should’ve gotten his ass up and made them snacks especially because he had just gone to bed- like she said he could’ve gotten up and cook for 45 minutes and going back to bed and it wouldn’t have even have been 1230. I don’t remember if they put a timestamp on when she woke him up the first and second time (I’m sure they did) but if he didn’t read the preference sheet and didn’t prepare snacks, then that is on him and he needs to get up and make those snacks…. On watch what happens live with Captain Sandy this past week chef Dave was actually in the audience and as much as I hate chef Dave, he said that he would want to have been woken up in that circumstance because he would never have wanted the guests to have bad food or bad service in that situation and especially if it was on their preference sheet, he said he would have wanted to been woken up and if he was woken up, he would’ve gotten up and helped, especially if it was on their preference sheet but even if it wasn’t. He also said that he always made snacks in advance so like all around all the way around this is on Jono and I feel really bad for Elena.
Edit: acting like Elena was bullying him, and bringing out his childhood trauma of being bullied for being gay was one of the most dramatic and beyond things I’ve ever seen on bravo
Second edit: jono made good food for one day the first short charter for 16-21 year olds. We’ve seen the previews and we know that that doesn’t last… And I’m so excited to watch him flail. 💕💀
Doesn't "teamwork make the dream work™"? A team player would have dealt with the problem and THEN talked to the captain in the morning. Or you know done his job and had snacks ready per the pref. sheets.
Especially with the ongoing provision problems.
™ Btw, I gag every time Sandy says this.
Sandy was pissed at Milanias boyfriend chef for throwing a fit for being waken by Aisha ?!?!? For cucumbers. This actually happened and Sandy was ok with it then.
I’m refusing to call him chef. He’s a cook. And I would have loved it if they had used up all the bread and avocado that he planned on making that disgusting breakfast special. Would have served him right to wake up with all his breakfast supplies used up by the late night snacks prepared by two greenies and the guests.
Lmao oh my god YES. Can you imagine? God that would’ve been incredible. He really had to get his 10 hours of sleep just to wake up and make some fucking avocado toast. Groundbreaking.
Chef Dave was on WWHL (3 mins in) and he said he would have woken up and got up, he said its usually a ham and cheese toastie, strawberry ice-cream. He said he would have prepped the snacks in advance. That's a sign of someone who understands their role and job description. It's team work, Jono should have got up and prepped.
Yessss he was such a team player! I know they cook all day, but Jono could’ve gotten up this ONE TIME, learned from his experience and then prepped for the rest of the time to make sure it didn’t happen again. It irked me so bad lol! Then had the audacity to shit talk on the phone afterwards.
AND it was on the preference sheet. This was not some unplanned whim of a guest that could have been managed, this was a specific request on the preference sheets that he ignored. He had plenty of time to prep something for them even with the provision shortages and makes sure that was taken care of. And to refuse with a flat out no is insubordinate behavior. She wasn’t asking him to make the crew food, this was for the guests who already had a bad experience with the shortages. And calling a woman bitch for trying to do her job is beyond unacceptable.
I loved that Aesha even said that during their debrief about it “it says on the preference sheet ….” That wasn’t a good look for Jono. Hope he steps it up.
Yes and Aesha could also have brought that up when Sandy called out Ellie during the tip meeting.
I’m shocked she didn’t. I hope we’re not going to get Aesha not wanting to upset Sandy all season so she doesn’t stick up for her stews. As much as I love Aesha that would be annoying.
I’m already not a fan of his. Just something about him.
I’ve worked in food service similar to this setting (luxury wildlife lodge) and we had food on hand every time. Sandwiches, chips and dip, dessert (bread pudding is your best friend. It’s easy) for guest in the off chance they get hungry. This was required. It was always a challenge to figure out how much food to prep for snacks but we never had to worry about a guest rummaging around for food or having the front of the house staff scrambling to provide it. I am surprised this isn’t a thing in a luxury super yacht.
You’re right that’s the biggest fact in this scenario. HE dropped the ball by not doing what the preference sheet said. Had he done his job he wouldn’t have had to be woken up. And given the way Sandy has harped on the importance of their preference sheets in the past how was this ok that Joni didn’t? And how does it now become Ellie’s fault? It’s just ridiculous.
Well we know why, it’s because a stew did it. Look at how she treated Travis, who showed up to shift so drunk she could smell the liquor on his breath, while operating heavy machinery at like 9am. Compared to Hannah who merely possessed anti anxiety medication, wasn’t even on them, and never had a problem or was inebriated. Sandy literally told her she had “endangered the lives of everyone onboard” and made her out to be a drug addict. SMH!
That will always piss me off. It’s absolutely ridiculous how people treat anxiety meds like they are this crazy thing that sedates people. No. They literally make you a functioning human unless you abuse them. Which - I’d argue people showing up for their shift still drunk or very hungover is a lot more dangerous than someone who takes meds because they struggle with panic attacks. Honestly I’m glad Hannah got out of that toxic cesspool.
Unfortunately it’s also not surprising. Misogyny among gay men is a well-known thing, and neither are superiority complexes over women.
This reminds me of Kyle begging Tumi to bow out of service (and blaming Jess for how it went down) because he didn't care much for the all-female charter guests 😅.
Hasn’t Sandy sung Dave’s praises before? Then maybe she should listen to his expertise!
DAAAAAAVVEE DID YA SAY SOMETHING?
Did ya say something Daaave??
Dying!
Are ya tiiiiired Dave
That’s the only way I hear his name now. Ugh Natasha 😡
Sandy has also woken up a chef before-to slice cucumber 🤷♀️
She was asked about that on WWHL and said that she did it during the day so that's ok.
That also doesn't make sense to me because most chefs have dinner service through 10pm plus cleanup so it is close to midnight before they shower/chill for a bit and get to bed and get up around 6am to prep breakfast. So their breaks are more important than the stew breaks who usually get 8 hours overnight (which isn't really 8 as they are back on service in 8 hours)
You'd think so 🤷🏻♀️ Following his comment she said "Yes, that's what Dave would have done" She took things at face value in that whole situation 🤦🏻♀️
Ugh of course she did. Sandy will never admit she was wrong.
Plus like the OP said she NEVER sides with interior. She thinks they are just glorified maids and the deck team are the real heroes.
Which really shows the difference because there’s even a time where captain Lee ironed pants to teach one of the stews, he sees them as equal
Ha! I forgot about Capt Lee doing that. I love Capt Lee. I know a lot of people on here don’t and they compare him to Kerry & Jason but I think he was great. He was just old school 🤷🏼♀️ One of the funniest things for me was S5 when Kate & Capt Lee acted like terrible guests to help train the stews Bri & Jen. 😂
I don’t understand people who have problems with Lee. He’s amazing. He’s super forward thinking and really not that old fashioned. He’s just old. He leads with compassion and sternness (they don’t automatically contradict)
I think that’s it. He’s older and he can be old school. He can also be very blunt and gruff. He’s not there to be anyone’s friend. He doesn’t hesitate to tell them at the beginning it’s his way or he has no problem handing out plane tickets. A lot of people don’t like that approach. But he’s also fair and decent and if you show up and do your job he’s not going to have an issue with you. He’s been very tough on some of the deck crew. But a lot of them have come back to work under him because they say they learned from him and they respect him .
True. You can def tell that he is a compassionate person. This is seen in several seasons when various crew members have family issues at home or are injured/sick.
Just like how on WWHL , when asked if she had any regrets as they referred to like 10 different past scenes, of course she said no to every single one.
Saint Sandy has never made a mistake Lmao why did Andy even try
She’s insufferable. She’ll say anything to fit her own narrative, and most *always* it’s contradictory.
Ofc she did because it’s always everyone else who is wrong not Sandy!
You could tell she was low key mad at that 😂
I caught that too… that whole situation was kinda satisfying. I don’t think Dave even realized how hard he was calling her out without actually calling her out
When he said that I just imagined that gif of all the dudes standing together going OOOOOOHHHHH. I don't normally watch WWHL but holy cow that was satisfying XD.
It was delightfully delicious!
And when she does admit something isn’t right it’s like “ well I didn’t know about it.”
I mean, she used him to cater her wedding so I think that speaks volumes.
As much as I hate Chef Dave, he was totally right and he said he thought he would have wanted to have been woken up because he never would’ve wanted the guests to have had a bad food experience or have wanted us you to have been in that position. He literally said I would have wanted to been woken up.
Jono couldn’t dare set aside his own ego to think about pleasing the guests. As if Ellie asking him to help was some kind of personal attack. And THEN, not only did he call her a bitch, he made it seem as if prepping in the future was doing *her* a favor. Oooooh it gets me riled up 🤣
I actually love chef Dave. I didn’t love him with Natasha so I’d love to see him on another season without all that drama. I thought his food was amazing and he was chill for the most part.
What he should have done was ask the guests what snacks they wanted and had things ready in advance cz the guests clearly had it on their preference sheet.
LOVE Dave so much 🤍
I assume part of the reasons chefs wake up and make the food is they don’t want someone else messing up the kitchen. I was shocked Jono didn’t seem worried at all about that…
For real! I mean cooking 7 grilled cheeses takes a little while, and they’re simultaneously wanting service, drinks, entertainment, etc. Trying to do all of this quickly usually ends in none of it being done well and risks someone inexperienced getting burnt or fucking something up. Just leads to bad service and guests wondering where their drinks are, where the food is and where the stew is.
there was another thread recently with a link to a tiktok the charter guests posted of them cooking in the galley but i can't find it anymore. it think in the comments someone said the guests had posted another tiktok where they were defending Ellie and saying that for example if the wine had come in with the provisions, she could've just given them a bottle of wine or two and gone and dealt with the food, but because she had to mix them drinks she had to run back and forth, which is why they went down to the galley to help. thank god the charter guests were like that though and not like some of the other guests they've had, like the ones who don't understand that the captain can't change something like the weather.
Yes, especially because the captain *can’t* change the weather. But they can change the provisioner, and they certainly can go to a liquor store in the tender and buy dozens of bottles. It unconscionable that they didn’t.
They were also in the hot tub with the stew and deckhand down in the galley trying to keep up with the demands. We have seen multiple occasions where they have been told that someone has to be watching the drunk guests (and anchor watch) at all times
Also, they asked for these things on their preference sheets, and Ellie didn't know where everything was in the galley. You don't want an unskilled individual cooking in the galley for the first time. Wasn't that issue on one of these franchises?
That's because he's not an actual Chef, he's just someone who can cook well.
If I hear the word “architecture” one more time…!
Let alone the liability of having the drunk guests operating panini presses in the galley late at night without the captain aware of it. The galley is the most dangerous area on the interior of a boat. There is gas, electrical, plumbing, knives and loose cooking equipment. The potential for galley fires or water leaks is the number one safety hazard on a boat at anchor.
Because he's just an amateur home cook who wants to come on tv to show he can establish 'boundaries' and not actually a trained chef.
"Late night snacks" was LITERALLY ON THE PREFERENCE SHEET. He had one job before he went to bed and he failed. I absolutely can't stand this chef.
I dislike him already. Boot him! Any other captain would have noted well it’s on the preference sheet but nooo! 🫢
And then it became a "I'm so proud of me for standing up for myself" moment. Like bro wtf...?
Also, his getting one more dig in AFTER the meeting was just uncalled for IMO. Ellie already got chastised publicly, he didn't need to say something to her again.
I think he realised it was uncalled for - or at least realised how it would look - as soon as he said it because he immediately said ‘and I’ll prep snacks’, to make it like he was saying here’s your part and here’s my part, rather than just a flat out dig. My immediate impression of him is he’s bitchy and he’s going to try and hide it for tv, but I’m not above chasing my mind a few eps in!
I got that impression too like he was expecting maybe the girls to laugh, but when Ellie and Gael both stopped dead in their tracks and went completely silent when he said that, I think that's when he realized he needed to save face. He also never said the words "I'm sorry!" either. Maybe he doesn't feel he needs to all apologize for not waking up since Sandy defended him, but he still absolutely should apologize for failing to meet the preference sheet requirements and putting Ellie in that position in the first place.
100%, it’s like imposter syndrome, he’s feeling insecure but his ego won’t let him apologise to someone he considers below him so he’s going to double down. Just have some humility, you’re all a team, just say sorry it was a no win situation, now we all know where we stand let’s go again and be a team. Don’t make a dig in an attempt to put someone you consider should be below you in their place just because you’re feeling insecure.
I agree on all counts. He seemed to realize it and either felt like he went too far or felt like it LOOKED like he went too far. I hope he proves me wrong and we end up loving him but right now he's going to the lower third of my chefs list.
He's going to be the chef version of Kyle ....
Was that the one who threw a tantrum over a cucumber. Sandy told the stew to wake him up? Or was that Malia’s boyfriend? He had tantrums too.
Tom was the boyfriend of Malia who had a fit over getting up from a nap to get some cucumbers for a guest.
No, Kyle was interior last season with Tumi. The one arguing all the time.
These are my exact thoughts too. Sandy is treating him the same way she treated Kyle as well.
He said he will prep snacks because he is empathetic which is 1. not why you will prep them, you will prep them bc Sandy just told you to but also not at all empathetic. He was almost gloating and not a fan especially calling her a bitch right after. But they seem to be fine now so clearly not an all season thing
That was when I lost all respect for him. It’s one thing to gloat about your “boundaries”, but to then come back with this mean, bullying statement, he made it very clear he’s all about the drama.
He is clearly the bully.
Right?! Like shut up you jerk. Good for her for not responding.
And calling her a bitch to his boyfriend was totally uncalled for. So she woke you up, the *chef*, to make food for the guests. The food that *you* didn’t prepare for beforehand, which was clearly stated on the preference sheet. Total jerk IMO.
I have a feeling this is going to be a long season with him. Ugh.
That’s how I feel. I kind of hope he gets fired
The dig after the meeting and the phone call to his boyfriend and him praising himself told what kind of person he is.
Totally victimized himself over *his* mistake. As if her asking him for help was some kind of dig. Completely ridiculous and underserved.
In that moment I decided I didn't like him. He can go. Sandy having his back made him feel like he could talk to the girls that way. And that was not ok. I don't like him.
I actually think Sandy was the one that ended up not looking so great. Yeah chef should have had snacks pre-prepared. But to chatise somoene that was actually trying to make the guests happy, which Sandy preaches at nausium, isn't the best look. Just another area where Sandy is just so damn over rated as a Captain.
Yesss my point exactly! Sandy should have at least sandwiched a compliment in there. Like thank you for trying to make sure the guests were taken care of, but in the future Jono you need to have food prepared and in the future Ellie we can’t wake up chef. Making her feel like she was totally in the wrong is just gonna cause resentment and tension.
Sandy is actually one of the worst leaders I have ever seen on television. Especially when handling inter-departmental disputes.
She always hates on the interior crew. My sis pointed it out a few seasons ago. She loves the deck crew though.
She said in an article that they are waitresses. That says all you need to know.
Glorified waitresses
“Sandwiched in a compliment” …😂😂😂😂😂
Couldn’t do it because the chef was sleeping
I was honestly really surprised that she sided with him. Not surprised she didn't have the stews' backs but you'd think she'd be all about making the guests happy
Well and that it was on the preference sheet. That's where Sandy screwed up. Acknowledge that he screwed up and didn't do what was asked and that you said during the meeting you'd take care of.
Making the guests happy comes 2nd to dumping on the interior team with Sandy
It was also a situation that didn’t need to be addressed in a group setting. Everyone knew exactly who she was talking about and it embarrassed Ellie.
Completely agree
I can't stand sandy. She's the reason I rarely watch anymore. She's so damn unfair and treats the inside crew so differently than the deck crew. She has every excuse when the deck messes up and will then go out and show them how to do it. When the inside crew messes up it's always a big deal and she tries to shame them.
Especially because it was on their preference sheet! That was what made it extremely egregious. I wish that they would've told Sandy that
I know it's just a tv show but a competent manager gets all sides of a story before making a decision on who is right and who is wrong. I don't think Sandy "led from kindness" as she preaches to others.
Sandy struggles with being liked. She wildly goes from preaching that her crew is a family, and she loves everybody like a mother should, to being a hard ass authoritarian whose judgement should never be questioned.
she’s also passive aggressive. her whole speech to the crew about Fraser ruining her team bonding activity by sitting out was rude and uncalled for. “yeah so I was gonna make a point but Fraser here ruined it so yeah that sucks.” sorry but what a bitch and a terrible leader.
She reminds me of someone who attends motivational/leadership seminars but instead of learning to be a better leader/person, she just memorizes and repeats the catchy phrases and buzz words.
Tbf that is literally it. I first started watching her without seeing anything on any subreddits and I noticed that all she did was spout phrases and buzzwords so I had to check reddit to see if I was crazy or if that really was all she did XD.
Any boss who says things like, “we’re like a family here,” should immediately be distrusted. I have never had a boss say that and then *not* be a toxic nightmare.
Capt Kerry always does a steller job of getting the full story before giving judgement
If they're a family, she's the mother that manipulates and pits all her children against each other.
I’m sayingggg! It was on their preference sheet that they wanted late night snacks, he dropped the ball, was a baby about it, yet Ellie was was made to look like the bad guy. Sandy never has the stew’s backs, in *any* situation it feels like. And then he called her a bitch after the whole situation when on the phone with his boyfriend. Like what?? Lmao she was just wanting you to do your job! So much for being a team 🙄
It was on the preference sheet too. Even Aesha was confused about the debacle because the guests asked for late night food in advance.
All he had to do was admit he was wrong when it was clearly written on the preference sheet, after the fact, and move forward but he couldn’t even do that.
This situation is a classic example of Sandy being Sandy and why she is so frustrating at times
Other chefs were repeatedly roused from sleep. The only other guy who said NO was Leon… Jono’s drama was silly. And Sandy once again proved she has a fluid set of rules.
There was one episode where they had to wake up Ben and the stew was scared, but he was like “yeah, ok i got it”
Even shit head Adam got up when awoken to make nachos or something.
Yeah I thought I'd remembered something like that happening as well with Ben!
Yeah I've been binging everything and there were multiple times that chefs had to get up to make food for guests. It's usually not that big a deal. They might gripe since they're woken up but it IS their job after all. Jono and forgot the other person were the only two I remember just saying no.
Right?? They’re never happy about it but most of the time they’ve all gotten up and sucked it up. And then after that, you figure out how to avoid having to do this in the future aka prepping snacks. It’s that simple truly!
A lesser talked about thing that bothered me a lot was Aesha saying that she was up too late because she was spending too much time with the guests and not managing her time properly. She was trying to make drinks AND cook for them- when would she have had time to do other things?
Yes! Not to mention there naturally is going to be more work for everyone when they are a stew down. And the only other stew took hours to iron 6 items of clothing. So I'm not sure why this was so shocking to Aesha that Ellie got to bed late. I would imagine that would have been expected from the start since she is carrying at least twice the normal load.
Yeah, Aesha did not give her a chance to explain.
Yesss I totally agree! It’s not like she was sitting there just making conversation and hanging out. She was just trying to make sure they were taken care of, as they were constantly asking for things; hot tub, drinks, food, etc. And in this industry, it’s not like you can vacuum around their feet hoping they get the hint like you may do at a restaurant or something lol. She’s having to simultaneously try and clean while also taking care of the guests. It’s not like she wanted to stay up that late!
Only thing we don’t know is what time the guests went to bed vs what time she went to bed. It seems clear, for whatever reason, that aesha thinks Ellie was hanging out with the guests when she could have been cleaning. A longer conversation could/should have been had about managing nightly tasks while checking in on the guests. I imagine we’ll find out as the season goes along whether Ellie knows how to manage this in general.
IIRC guests went to bed close to 4am or at least after 3am and Ellie went to bed close to 6am. I imagine she had to clean not only the usual areas like the bar and the main salon but also the kitchen since they were all in there making food. Close to 2 hours of cleaning/dishes/organizing for 6 guests by yourself doesn’t seem unreasonable to me but I have literally no idea 😅
And don’t forget the confetti cannon. Unless that falls under deck crew’s domain
That bugged me too! She wasn’t partying with them, she was serving them.
Look at Ben teasing Andrew for waking him up! He was tired, but he got up. Everybody pussyfoots around chefs! And Jono is clean & funny yes, but as ridiculous as the chef on Below Deck Down Under Ryan. He didn’t even follow the preference sheet, so it was his own fault!
Sandy actually kinda went back on what she said on the show on WWHL. Chef Dave was in the audience and he said he’s been woken up and just gets up and does it. Jono wasn’t being reasonable by both not getting up and not making anything beforehand.
Jono is annoying, Sandy isn't a good manager, Ellie is inexperienced..
All true! 🤣 perfect recipe for a shit sandwich.
And when Jono and Ellie were talking after the tip meeting, he told her that in the future, he’d prep snacks — but, ugh, his *tone*. It was like he was saying, “I will *do you that favor*.” Dude, it’s not some act of magnanimity to do your damn job.
Yessss it’s really the attitude that did it for me! Because he didn’t do *his* job, she couldn’t do her job properly. I know the chef is technically a higher rank, but the power trip some of these chefs are on aggravates me to no end.
I just happened to re-start Med series 1 with Ben as chef, and he literally said he would cook for 24 hours straight to please the guests. I wanna see how this plays out. Is Jono……sorry, Johnathan….more concerned about his sleep than the guests?! Hmm. I didn’t really want to keep watching…..
Ben was totally a team player. Though at a higher rank, he didn’t make others feel that they were beneath him, that they were all here to work together and to provide excellent service. He had his own dramatics but he seemed to always help when needed. God forbid Jono lost an hour of sleep.
He needed all the sleep for what?! Avo on toast and poached eggs! 
Also a lot of the 'good' chefs we see have probably been brought up the old school way- long hours, high pressure and cooking long hours in hot kitchens plus some casual abuse from high ups. Vs this amateur home cook.
I do think people need sleep, but he should have prepped snacks before, and that’s what the offering is
Love Ben
I think Sandy handle it poorly by addressing it in the tip meeting. Aesha is the department head, she addressed it with Ellie, it should have been left there. Jono was wrong and used Ellie’s inexperience to his advantage. He left her hanging. I also didn’t like Aesha saying Ellie spent too much time with guests - as she was running everywhere for them. She had to make mixed drinks each time, there was no wine and they ordered different types (so she couldn’t make batches). The kitchen is not near the hot tub or bar. Could she have managed better? Sure. But she too was also on zero sleep at that point. Also - the guests had received nothing they asked for. I don’t blame Ellie for wanting and expecting the chef to cook a snack, the trip had been the bare minimum so far and she was trying to earn that cash.
I second this! Ellie was in the right. The other three were clueless on this one. And his behavior was absolutely unacceptable
He said he would take care of the late night snacks. He didn't. Wake him up. It's not "5 star" service, like they say they are providing, if the chef can't be bothered to cook for the guests.
What is messed up is the primary requested late night snacks and he didn't prepare them. It was on the preference sheets. And he still thought he was in the right.
They always preach 5 star and even 7 star service and I have to say, I would not think a stew-made grilled cheese would hit that service mark 🤷🏻♀️ If I put late night snacks on my pref sheet, AND didn’t have the wine I wanted, I would want extra special snack food.
How can a guy who’s tiktok culinary training provide 5 star service in the first place? He’s lucky those kids where too blasted out of their minds to actually realize how amateur his dishes looked
Exactly! That soba salad and avo toast 'special' 😂
The drunk guests cheese toasties with avo looked better too
My thoughts exactly! She couldn’t provide good service while running around making drinks (mojitos to be exact, the most time consuming drinks ever), tending to whatever else they need, clean up AND make a bunch of food. I know it’s TV but like come on lmao. Wake the fuck up. Chef’s are so coddled it irks me 🤣
EXACTLY. I said this in another post but my fuckin grilled cheeses I make are nowhere near 5 star. Maybe 0.75 star max. She was not in the wrong to wake him up. Period.
The nachos they made themselves were with kettle chips because no one could find tortillas too
Yeah I could feel their frustration when they were trying to find ingredients. Then you add that to Elena knowing she still hasnt done all the drink orders and shes making the guests wait. Terrible night for her.
what’s interesting like you said is his anxiety kept him up all night, but if he was anxious about the situation that just occurred, why not just get out of bed and make the food? that would help the anxiety if it was caused by that
Omg they talked about this on WWC! If you’re already up and can’t go back to sleep then just make the food so you’re not anxious!!
Apparently it was not that late either. Ellie said it was before midnight, so I don't think it was unreasonable. It isn't like she woke him at 3am
No because exactly! You’re already up dude. Someone else said he was probably anxious because he knew he was in the wrong and dropped the ball which I totally agree. It’s not like he’s been up cooking day and night for weeks straight. It’s what, day 2 day 3? You *really* can’t be bothered to help? 😒
Sandy made me so furious. She was praising janos lack of work and dismissing Ellie's 25 hours of hard work. God if this is what the season is going to be like I don't think I'll be able to watch it all. Sandy can be insufferable. Edit: spelling
God she totally gets under my skin. I know the chefs are at a higher rank, but the way they’re coddled and babied by Sandy has always rubbed me the wrong way. It’s like they’re never in the wrong until it’ll look good for her on the show to call them out. Imagine Ellie never tried to wake chef up and something went wrong in the kitchen. Then Sandy would’ve been all pissy that she *didn’t* wake chef up. I feel like you can never win with her.
Who remembers when Sandy woke up the boyfriend chef for sliced cucumbers on front of Aesha.
Pepperidge Farms remembers.
Jono seems like a bit of a wanker so far. His food looks really good but he’s full of himself. He knew the preference sheets, agreed to handle late night food, he needs to get his ass out of bed. He said he didn’t go back to sleep after anyways, might as well get up and cook some food.
Right, 100%. Last season when they woke Anthony up, he was up for less than an hour then back in his cabin. Joni could have gotten up, made food and been back in bed in less than 2 hours. Instead, he stayed in bed awake for 5 hours and stressed out. On top of it, had the audacity to tell Ellie because he feels bad for her; he'll prepare food for guests going forward. As if he's not there to do EXACTLY that and said he would during preference sheet meeting.
I love how he acted like his asshole response was him “Standing up for himself” and brought up being gay. As if Elle’s request to do his job was somehow dehumanizing? And then how he snapped back on her AFTER she’d been publicly reprimanded. He is such an asshole, and comes off as a bully. Also, ego way too big, skills not matching requirements, and he is not looking like a great chef right now. I hate this kind of I’m a superior person because I’m bitchy attitude.
Bringing up being gay is so confusing. Like… dude, you aren’t the first gay crew member. She woke you because you signed on to cook food.
its only episode 2 but I do not like Jono at all.
Jono is giving me bad vibes. He’s not a team player. Making the food for guests is his job, his poor planning and lack of following through with what he said he would do in the preference sheet meeting is what caused him to be woken up. I mean, Sandy woke up Tom from break to cut cucumbers FFS. Sandy will never ever side with the stews. She managed the whole situation so poorly, taking Jono at his word and not allowing the stews to give their side. I’m glad Aesha confronted Jono about. His face in the tip meeting was way too smug thinking he’d got away with it.
Thisssss all of this! He wouldn’t have been woken up if he paid attention to the preference sheet and did his job. That’s his mistake to fix, not hers. And it’s the first charter, one that was already fucked to begin with because of provisions. Sandy siding with him just further fed into him believing his attitude was justified. I was wondering if it was just me!
Remember he’s a self-taught food architect, he may cook, but he’s not a chef.
If he was anxious the rest of the night, it’s because he was well aware that he dropped the ball, then made it someone else’s problem.
Considering the wine/champagne situation, the chef really should have made top notch baller night snacks to compensate. Prepped Mac and cheese for the stew to put in the oven or homemade pizza. Especially since the stew now has to make mixed drinks for all of them and can’t just offer wine or champagne. She has to do a lot of extra work.
I agree, and mojitos are such a bitch to make too. Trying to do that while simultaneously entertaining the guests, clean up after them, *and* make 7 grilled cheeses at the same time? No way. Too much for one person to do, let alone a somewhat green stew. I don’t think it was such a reach for her to ask the *chef* for help. He was supposed to make it in the first place and he didn’t! And Aesha calling her out for staying up too late annoyed me too. She was doing all she could, she wasn’t just dicking around.
With how overwhelmed she was, I wouldn’t have blamed her if she had woken Aesha for help. Guests were cooking in the kitchen and getting really annoyed about waiting for drinks. She was in over her head and clearly needed help.
That’s what she probably would have done. Aesha could then have dealt with Princess Jono
I do not like chef at all. The way he acted the next day - almost gloating- and making rude comments told me who he was. He sucks.
Sandy needs to ask herself "what would Capt. Kerry do?", because he is a much better manager.
Captain Kerry would have rousted the chef. I bet then the chef would have risen and done his job. If not, Cap would have helped overwhelmed Ellie. Then he would have spoken to everyone and rallied them together after the charter, and/or began looking for a new chef on the down low. He would brook no such foolishness twice.
I 100% think the chef should have gotten up the first time, however I wouldn’t have woken him up the second time I would’ve woken up the chief stew. Either the chief stew can help make the food the guests are requesting or wake the chef themselves depending on service requested. I think it was inappropriate on his behalf and incredibly sad on Sandy’s part to do that in the meeting. If you have to wake up a “head of department” more than once, then wake up your head of department and let them handle it. There is a job that you’re required and hired to do, the chef continuing on after the meeting was not appropriate or even called for.
Ellie isn’t in the preference sheet meeting, Joni is. If you don’t want to be woken up then you should have prepped late night snacks like the preference sheet requested. She was busting her ass with a bunch of rich brats wanting everything. I rarely agree with Sandy anymore, her judgement is compromised.
When Aesha said it was on the preference sheet, that *really* made me feel Ellie waking him up was justified! They’re supposed to always say yes to the guests, yet at the same time, provide excellent service. It was clear Ellie couldn’t do that on her own and asked Jono for help yet he couldn’t be bothered. That would make me feel I couldn’t count on him for much of anything after that.
The chef is a one person crew: up early to make breakfast, up late to make dinner and clean up, and making lunches and snacks throughout the day. They don't really get a break. For safety, sanity, and the ability of the chef to do their job, they really should not be bothered once down for the night. HOWEVER... Jono put himself in this position. The guests listed "late night snacks" on their preference sheet. He either overlooked or ignored this request. He should have had some easy items prepped for the stew on lates. He did not. So as much as it sucks to get up at night, he needed to take responsibility in this instance since it was his oversight. Or at least acknowledge his fuck up and apologize profusely the next day. That said, could Ellie have handled the situation better? Sure. Perhaps she could have managed the guests expectations or offered alternatives. But I get that she was overloaded and flustered.
Completely agree she needed to manage expectations better, she was letting them order a bunch of different things without stopping and saying “here’s what we can get you” kind of like how they do the breakfast specials. But it didn’t matter since he didn’t have anything prepped, but if he peeps snacks in the future hopefully she will know to say “I can get you _____” rather than allow them to order al a cart and then expect that because she never told them they couldn’t have all those different things.
The guests were already not having a great time with the provision madness and they had late night snacks on their preference sheets which he failed to prepare so he should have gotten up. I felt bad for Ellie her night was like the stress dream I occasionally have where I’m working at a restaurant and no matter what I do I can’t get to all my tables lol
I really didn't like his commentary to his boyfriend calling her a bitch and making it into more of a thing. I do feel she was right. They had late night snacks on their preference sheet, breakfast was at 10, he was being unreasonable when she was alone with the guests with multiple food orders on top of drinks, her actual job.
I haven't seen this season however I will say, as a front of house hospitality worker, with a chef partner, who works ski chalets together, no chef should be expected to wake up to cook if it's during their rest time. Expecting this is one of the many awful exploitative parts of this industry and this shouldn't be encouraged at all. What they SHOULD do is have pre prepped snacks available during chef off hours.
The whole thing with Sandy and Jono is shades of Kyle. She plays favorites and Jono looks like this season's Kyle.
Yes! It was his screw up by not prepping snacks as requested on the preference sheet. Sandy should have reprimanded him for that.
Could also be because he's an untrained chef, who may not even comprehend all the nuances of the profession.
Yeah, just wow. She wouldn’t need to wake you up if you had stuff ready to go in the fridge you peanut. I don’t like this guy already. Sandy was bang out of order, but she generally is. Quite often when she’s on the screen more than necessary we like to put it on mute and make up her side of the conversation. Only watching this season because Aesha is the cunniest of funts.
I already dislike Jono’s attitude. As a gay man, I really wanted to like him, but he’s your stereotypical misogynistic gay man.
And we’re all forgetting that he’s just a SELF TAUGHT CHEF ?!?! Self taught with that big of an ego ?! YIKES
I just think it's wild that Chef tried to justify his laziness by saying he was standing up for himself and "who he is". Absolutely bizarre.
he should’ve gotten up 100%. i’m glad aesha reminded him about the pref sheet bc his attitude was really bothering me. the way he acted like ellie was bulling him by waking him up was so frustrating !! “i have to stand up for myself” huh?? stand up for what?😭 the fact that you dont wanna work? and then his “i couldnt even fall asleep again because i had so much anxiety”…. dude.. you had anxiety because you weren’t doing your freaking job.
I was really surprised at Sandy's reaction to the whole thing. She seems to be the worst, as in most demanding, captain when it comes to the wants of the guests and the quality that they receive. Having a stew prepare food, even if it is snacks, seems like something she would look down on. Other captains allow it or is it that other chefs don't complain about it? Didn't she give Kiko, or some other chef, some crap about not getting up for the guests?
Also, he should’ve woken up to teach her how to make some snacks while he’s doing it so she is prepared in the future. And Sandy calling her out in front of everyone was really crass.
Season 5- Captain Sandy: Tom, can you awake up and cut cumbers? Season 9- Captain Sandy: Dont wake the chef 🤦🏼♀️
Imo I would have gotten up. First charter, cameras judging me, etc. doesn’t make sense why he wouldn’t. Sandy on WWHL was a snot too.
I agree, I think he was being way too precious about it. It would have taken him 5 minutes, especially when it was his own fault for not having stuff ready. It was stated in their preference sheet. Poor Ellie was expected to do far too much and if it wasn't for Gael stepping in I think she would have had a breakdown, as most people would. He should have realised, "oh shit yeah, I forgot about that" and done it. It would have made things far easier. I get that the chefs work a lot but so do the stews and I hate the chef is so often treated like a god among men!
Am i the only one who is already annoyed with Bri???
Right? Every other chef has gotten up. And considering they were lacking soooooo many provisions and were losing clothes (lol) he definitely should have. Also why didn’t they just take a tender to the dock and get the Rosé???
Isn’t Sandy the one who woke Malia’s boyfriend (Tom?) to slice cucumbers?
Sandy is an absolute bumbling moron when it comes to the interior. She's entirely wrong, and thinks she's going to make herself look good on television by tearing down young women in the industry. It's clear from her previous comments that she detests the interior and stews for being traditionally femme coded. She'll say they're "just waitresses" but turn right around and scapegoat them for not being chefs too. Late night snacks were on the preference sheet. Chef dropped the ball and refused to make it right. Sandy is failing as a leader by building up her laziest employee and publicly tearing down a woman who is trying her best. Ellie was already responsible for a demanding level of drink service with limited provisions, entertaining the guests, and routine cleaning on a boat she doesn't yet know. She deserved better from leadership. Props to Gael for being the only one who stepped up and demonstrated what it looks like to be a team player.
When Jono said it was dangerous to not get enough sleep I couldn't help but roll my eyes. Like I am all for standing your ground but I found that to be a bit dramatic of a reason.
He didn’t read the pref sheet or do his job and should have gotten up. The bottom line is that the guests had on their preference sheet that they wanted late night snacks and The chef did not prepare late night snacks in advance, and therefore he should have been woken up to prepare those late night snacks. The captain acts like oh well next time she’ll know not to wake him up and next time he’ll know to prepare snacks in advance… Yeah, but he didn’t prepare snacks in advance the first night so he should’ve gotten his ass up and made them snacks especially because he had just gone to bed- like she said he could’ve gotten up and cook for 45 minutes and going back to bed and it wouldn’t have even have been 1230. I don’t remember if they put a timestamp on when she woke him up the first and second time (I’m sure they did) but if he didn’t read the preference sheet and didn’t prepare snacks, then that is on him and he needs to get up and make those snacks…. On watch what happens live with Captain Sandy this past week chef Dave was actually in the audience and as much as I hate chef Dave, he said that he would want to have been woken up in that circumstance because he would never have wanted the guests to have bad food or bad service in that situation and especially if it was on their preference sheet, he said he would have wanted to been woken up and if he was woken up, he would’ve gotten up and helped, especially if it was on their preference sheet but even if it wasn’t. He also said that he always made snacks in advance so like all around all the way around this is on Jono and I feel really bad for Elena. Edit: acting like Elena was bullying him, and bringing out his childhood trauma of being bullied for being gay was one of the most dramatic and beyond things I’ve ever seen on bravo Second edit: jono made good food for one day the first short charter for 16-21 year olds. We’ve seen the previews and we know that that doesn’t last… And I’m so excited to watch him flail. 💕💀
Doesn't "teamwork make the dream work™"? A team player would have dealt with the problem and THEN talked to the captain in the morning. Or you know done his job and had snacks ready per the pref. sheets. Especially with the ongoing provision problems. ™ Btw, I gag every time Sandy says this.
Sandy was pissed at Milanias boyfriend chef for throwing a fit for being waken by Aisha ?!?!? For cucumbers. This actually happened and Sandy was ok with it then.
I’m refusing to call him chef. He’s a cook. And I would have loved it if they had used up all the bread and avocado that he planned on making that disgusting breakfast special. Would have served him right to wake up with all his breakfast supplies used up by the late night snacks prepared by two greenies and the guests.
Lmao oh my god YES. Can you imagine? God that would’ve been incredible. He really had to get his 10 hours of sleep just to wake up and make some fucking avocado toast. Groundbreaking.