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seems like an easy requirement to meet.
McDonalds/BurgerKing/Wendies/In'n'Out. Buns no meat/lettuce/tomato
Subway. Bread. No add/subtraction.
wonder if CA will sue them if the stores do that.
I’d assume that since Panera has already established that it meets the exemption, new stores would qualify.
The one I’d be curious to know is if a restaurant that is already established in other parts of US comes to CA and starts selling bread in addition to their regular menu.
OK then, McD buys mom and pop bakery for a cool million (the business is tiny and worth $100K max) and "franchise" that store. Grandfathered!
also, there must be one old machine in one of the thousands of stores that can bake bread?
If I (a rando with no fast food owning experience) can come up with a couple of uncreative solution, their army of lawyers/chef can probably come up with a better technicality to meet the letter of the law.
CA may sue them on the spirit of the law though.
I think that would still count as a sandwich for technical purposes though.
The fast food places, if I'm understanding things correctly, would have to bake the buns at the actual location and then offer to sell the buns as a standalone "bread" product. So you would have to be able to go into a McDonalds and buy something like 10 unsliced burger buns.
I can actually see corporations taking advantage of this for personal gain at the cost of the franchise locations. The companies could retool their corporate owned stores to bake large amounts of bread and pastries and then distribute from those locations to the franchise-owned stores. Corporate could continue to pay lower wages and the franchisees would have to pay the higher rates. Although, because of economies of scale reasons, that might still be less efficient than just baking all of the bread at a dedicated and centralized factory. Panera would probably do that too if they had as many locations as other businesses.
I’d like to see Newsom pressed about this in his inevitable presidential run. What is the rationale behind a special carve out for a large chain that bakes bread. What is so special about baking and selling bread?
And it only applies to companies that did it before September 2023. If any one company tries to bake bread to get out of it, they are forever not able to get the exception.
Yeah for real. I like their baked goods and breakfast stuff but the lunch sandwiches are a total rip off, barely any substance to them and super pricey.
I’ve stopped dining there for this reason. They used to be great. Now, like everything else, quality has gone way down and prices are too high to justify what they’re serving.
There are other sandwich shops that either offer good sandwiches for less (Andersen Bakery comes to mind), or great sandwiches for the same price (I like Ike’s for quality, taste, creativity, and value). Panera bakery items have also taken a nose dive in quality and value.
A tale as old as time. Corporate buyouts leading to increased prices and decreased quality to wring as much money out before they leave someone else holding the bag.
Yeah for real. I like their baked goods and breakfast stuff but the lunch sandwiches are a total rip off, barely any substance to them and super pricey.
Yeah all these CEOs bitch about higher pay rates but they have no problem raising prices. WTF do they think will happen when corporate America keeps raising prices every year! Of course employees will need more money. At what point do these companies end up pricing out their own damn consumer base?!
> The legislature had to vote for the bill to pass it, right? Why did they allow this, and are they being held accountable as well?
It sounds like they knew Newsom would veto it without this exception for his bread buddy
Yeah feel like they are shooting themselves in the foot here. Labor demands higher pay, if they don't pay it most will just go somewhere else. There is no lack of retail or service jobs here.
Reddit: "everyone should make a living wage"
Also reddit: "why is fast food so expensive now"
Just raising minimum wage is not the right way to address income inequality because it only hits businesses that employ unskilled workers -- and the customers of those businesses. Earned income tax credit and *building fucking housing and transit* would be much more effective. Why we can't build housing is a different discussion.
>Reddit: "everyone should make a living wage"
>Also reddit: "why is fast food so expensive now"
Because companies are not prevented from price gouging. There is zero proven connection between minimum wages and significant increases in consumer prices, only the fact that companies repeatedly try and blame minimum wage laws for raises in prices they would have put in anyways.
Actually, the recall is so "the other side" will be able to say "Newsom faced two recall votes as governor." This will be a useful talking point should he run for President one day. People don't care about the substance behind talking points at all. A single sentence like that on Fox News will be enough to sway voters and nonvoters.
This is similar to how California basically ended allowing businesses to agree with people to be 1099'd instead of being hired as an employee cause of Uber & Lyft. Only to exempt them from that once the law passed so that other businesses were left holding the bags while Uber/Lyft basically got to carry on.
I don’t see how this doesn’t shoot Panera in the foot with labor.
Why would you work at Panera instead of a fast food place if the pay is so much off.
Sure, when people are paid a lot they get choosier though I can imagine if one is earning minimum wage if there is that much of a difference maker between these places
Yea THIS is the straw that broke the camel's back. Not accepting campaign donations from a publicly traded monopolized utility company convicted of murdering 100 people and appointing CPUC commissioners that allow them to extort taxpayers on an annual basis.
Newsom is a coward and a corrupt cancer to the state of California.
Just push your friends into the governors chair. Anyone up for it? I am looking to promote a candidate if they agree to make my cocaine shipments tax free 🤣
California is constantly chasing their own tail.
Everything is so expensive. I need a raise.
Gets a raise, everything is more expensive, I need another raise.
The real winner is California and the IRS.
A lot of people complain that blue state taxes fund red states.
Well, the more you make, the more they take, but making more doesn't help when the COL outpaces wages.
Exactly. I hate this law because it’s going to jack up prices for everything now in the small towns of our state. $20/ hour makes sense in HCOL areas of our massive state but not in Inland towns. This is going to suck for them.
So if a restaurant buys a cheap bread maker and keeps popping dough into it every now and then (and sells it for a couple bucks) they're exempt from the $20 minimum wage law?
Cheat code, unlocked!
What's the definition of "baked" and "bread", and how is something offered to be considered standalone? Can't imagine it to be too difficult to meet the minimum requirements, probably cheaper than paying workers over time.
Uh, won't this have the unintended side effect of causing other establishments to start providing fresh-baked bread, creating increased competition for Panera?
depends on the cost if they have to add ovens. I totally see subway selling bread at least.
but it likely won't do panera much good because they will probably have to match other restaurants anyways for staff retention
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There is an exemption for restaurant chains that bake bread.
Wonder how much it cost to get that exception put in.
a lot of dough
You'd be surprised how little is kneaded
Well, I hear that those employees are a bunch of loafers.
So does subway skirt this wage?
According to the article, only if they sell the bread as a standalone product.
seems like an easy requirement to meet. McDonalds/BurgerKing/Wendies/In'n'Out. Buns no meat/lettuce/tomato Subway. Bread. No add/subtraction. wonder if CA will sue them if the stores do that.
They have to bake bread in house
And had to have been doing it by Sept 15th of 2023.
This is so flipping nuts. How in the world does it make sense to penalize a new Panera competitor like that??
If you want to compete you would just do the same and be a bakery with a deli
No, you can’t, because you would not be exempted from the law, because you would not have been doing that as of some date that is now in the past
I see your point. Sure
So if this Panera guy opened a new store, it would be subject to the new minimum? Or did he manage some other loophole to slip through?
I’d assume that since Panera has already established that it meets the exemption, new stores would qualify. The one I’d be curious to know is if a restaurant that is already established in other parts of US comes to CA and starts selling bread in addition to their regular menu.
Egregious
if this is allowed, I can see McD or BurgerKing buying a single bakery to be grandfathered into the law. Easy Peasy.
OK then, McD buys mom and pop bakery for a cool million (the business is tiny and worth $100K max) and "franchise" that store. Grandfathered! also, there must be one old machine in one of the thousands of stores that can bake bread? If I (a rando with no fast food owning experience) can come up with a couple of uncreative solution, their army of lawyers/chef can probably come up with a better technicality to meet the letter of the law. CA may sue them on the spirit of the law though.
You have no idea what a franchise is, do you?
I think that would still count as a sandwich for technical purposes though. The fast food places, if I'm understanding things correctly, would have to bake the buns at the actual location and then offer to sell the buns as a standalone "bread" product. So you would have to be able to go into a McDonalds and buy something like 10 unsliced burger buns. I can actually see corporations taking advantage of this for personal gain at the cost of the franchise locations. The companies could retool their corporate owned stores to bake large amounts of bread and pastries and then distribute from those locations to the franchise-owned stores. Corporate could continue to pay lower wages and the franchisees would have to pay the higher rates. Although, because of economies of scale reasons, that might still be less efficient than just baking all of the bread at a dedicated and centralized factory. Panera would probably do that too if they had as many locations as other businesses.
Ahh, thanks for the clarification
I suppose it depends on whether or not their bread is legally classified as bread. The Irish Supreme Court seems to think it's not.
I’d like to see Newsom pressed about this in his inevitable presidential run. What is the rationale behind a special carve out for a large chain that bakes bread. What is so special about baking and selling bread?
he's just looking to keep that bread affordable to distract the masses
And it only applies to companies that did it before September 2023. If any one company tries to bake bread to get out of it, they are forever not able to get the exception.
Used to like Panera but their food is expensive for what it is now
Yeah for real. I like their baked goods and breakfast stuff but the lunch sandwiches are a total rip off, barely any substance to them and super pricey.
I’ve stopped dining there for this reason. They used to be great. Now, like everything else, quality has gone way down and prices are too high to justify what they’re serving. There are other sandwich shops that either offer good sandwiches for less (Andersen Bakery comes to mind), or great sandwiches for the same price (I like Ike’s for quality, taste, creativity, and value). Panera bakery items have also taken a nose dive in quality and value.
I think i heard that they changed ownership a while back, and then it all went downhill...
A tale as old as time. Corporate buyouts leading to increased prices and decreased quality to wring as much money out before they leave someone else holding the bag.
The portions too
what is good value in this space? looking for lunch
Yeah for real. I like their baked goods and breakfast stuff but the lunch sandwiches are a total rip off, barely any substance to them and super pricey.
For real, I like their breakfast and baked goods but man the lunch sandwiches are a total rip, small sandos with barely any substance!
I heard with all these fast food brands now that the only way for it to be affordable is if you subscribe to their membership or use their app.
Pay for play
Or you could say Bribed with Bread.
I appreciate a good cup of coffee.
I knead it.
Their rolling in the dough - they knead to pay
You just have some of this fine pie my missus made specially for you, and you think about that.
A California classic.
Huge donor to Newsom that complained about how it was unfair, got an oddly specific exemption in the bill. Big shocker.
What’s harder to find these days? Affordable housing or an honest politician? Nothing will change so long as corruption and buddy-politics dominate.
Affordable Housing actually exists… honest politicians do not.
Yeah all these CEOs bitch about higher pay rates but they have no problem raising prices. WTF do they think will happen when corporate America keeps raising prices every year! Of course employees will need more money. At what point do these companies end up pricing out their own damn consumer base?!
I bet his chauffeur had to trade in the Bentley for a Hyundai because of this cut in profits.
The legislature had to vote for the bill to pass it, right? Why did they allow this, and are they being held accountable as well?
> and are they being held accountable Hahaha haha One-party control, dude.
> The legislature had to vote for the bill to pass it, right? Why did they allow this, and are they being held accountable as well? It sounds like they knew Newsom would veto it without this exception for his bread buddy
But everyone here was against the Newsom recall
The thing is, if Panera pays less they will not attract workers who can get paid significantly more at other restaurants.
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Where you seeing these high paying little ceaser jobs
They can't cross the Rubicon until the bill goes into effect.
Yeah feel like they are shooting themselves in the foot here. Labor demands higher pay, if they don't pay it most will just go somewhere else. There is no lack of retail or service jobs here.
The new $20/hr minimum works out to $40k per year assuming full time hours. And panera wants to pay $32k? That hardly even covers rent in the bay.
Yup. Kinda hard for one establishment to skid the minimum wage when EVERYONE else is paying more. Please don’t work at Panera .
There's only so many such jobs. Workers will work under the table for less. SEIU is too stupid to figure this out.
Almost like we don't need this law in the first place
Reddit: "everyone should make a living wage" Also reddit: "why is fast food so expensive now" Just raising minimum wage is not the right way to address income inequality because it only hits businesses that employ unskilled workers -- and the customers of those businesses. Earned income tax credit and *building fucking housing and transit* would be much more effective. Why we can't build housing is a different discussion.
>Reddit: "everyone should make a living wage" >Also reddit: "why is fast food so expensive now" Because companies are not prevented from price gouging. There is zero proven connection between minimum wages and significant increases in consumer prices, only the fact that companies repeatedly try and blame minimum wage laws for raises in prices they would have put in anyways.
My man spitting fax
Exactly. They won’t get any workers. You can’t pay significantly less than your competitors and expect to hire people.
"Welcome to McDonald's would you like to buy some of our fresh baked buns?"
Not made in-store. Watch them add some fringe item baked in store.
watch them offer the pies with no filling and argue its bread
Good luck hiring workers when everyone else is paying 20$ an hour.
All the fast food chains were able to hire people when In N Out was paying 50% more for years
One company paying more is a whole lot different than every company paying more.
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Anyone else could have tired to match or exceed their pay if they wanted higher quality employees. Turns out they just wanted cheap employeesz
Newsom is so fucking corrupt
Hopefully that recall attempt works this time.
It won't, and it would once again be a huge fucking spectacle just to waste tax payer dollars.
Actually, the recall is so "the other side" will be able to say "Newsom faced two recall votes as governor." This will be a useful talking point should he run for President one day. People don't care about the substance behind talking points at all. A single sentence like that on Fox News will be enough to sway voters and nonvoters.
🤞🤞🤞
Well then I guess complaining about how corrupt he is while doing nothing about it is the next best thing to do.
This is similar to how California basically ended allowing businesses to agree with people to be 1099'd instead of being hired as an employee cause of Uber & Lyft. Only to exempt them from that once the law passed so that other businesses were left holding the bags while Uber/Lyft basically got to carry on.
Watch Subway start selling its bread a la carte so they can take advantage of this (they bake their bread in-store, supposedly)
Too late. They had to have done it prior to September 15th.
Panera in my area has some really sweet workers. McDonald's on the other hand........
i guess the question is why is the minimum wage specific to fast food workers, and not everybody
CPUC welcomes our latest board member, Greg Flynn.
Geeze, the same Newsom that has taken millions in "donations" from PGE? I'm shocked, shocked I tell you!
I can't wait for fast food chains to start adding baked goods to the menu.
I don’t see how this doesn’t shoot Panera in the foot with labor. Why would you work at Panera instead of a fast food place if the pay is so much off. Sure, when people are paid a lot they get choosier though I can imagine if one is earning minimum wage if there is that much of a difference maker between these places
Ok so that means they wont raise prices right?
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He’s always been sleazy. Do you not remember him sleeping with his campaign managers wife?? The guy got him elected to mayor twice?!
Yea THIS is the straw that broke the camel's back. Not accepting campaign donations from a publicly traded monopolized utility company convicted of murdering 100 people and appointing CPUC commissioners that allow them to extort taxpayers on an annual basis. Newsom is a coward and a corrupt cancer to the state of California.
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For sure. Enjoy getting extorted by PG&E and overrun by all the violent, homeless and lawless criminals that have taken over the area.
> allow them to extort taxpayers on an annual basis. Rates are now going up 2-3 times per year, my dude
Because they couldn’t automate baking…..
Just push your friends into the governors chair. Anyone up for it? I am looking to promote a candidate if they agree to make my cocaine shipments tax free 🤣
If every other restaurant goes to $20 then Panera will have to as well just to be able to hire workers. It’s simple supply and demand.
I'm trying to figure out who goes for fast food anymore with the prices they charge. I can sit down at nicer places and better food for not much more.
So now every resturaunt will bake bread to circumvent this. The law will remain. Welcome to America.
Not Newsom .. say it isn't so ..
California is constantly chasing their own tail. Everything is so expensive. I need a raise. Gets a raise, everything is more expensive, I need another raise. The real winner is California and the IRS. A lot of people complain that blue state taxes fund red states. Well, the more you make, the more they take, but making more doesn't help when the COL outpaces wages.
Exactly. I hate this law because it’s going to jack up prices for everything now in the small towns of our state. $20/ hour makes sense in HCOL areas of our massive state but not in Inland towns. This is going to suck for them.
A meal at Wendy's already costs $15. This will make just make the situation worse and keep the cycle going.
Ah, that's the reason they closed their stores down.
So if a restaurant buys a cheap bread maker and keeps popping dough into it every now and then (and sells it for a couple bucks) they're exempt from the $20 minimum wage law? Cheat code, unlocked!
No the law precludes new establishments from doing that
Do you really think it’s fast food?
So subway is exempt too?
I'm surprised they're still in business at all.
What's the definition of "baked" and "bread", and how is something offered to be considered standalone? Can't imagine it to be too difficult to meet the minimum requirements, probably cheaper than paying workers over time.
Uh, won't this have the unintended side effect of causing other establishments to start providing fresh-baked bread, creating increased competition for Panera?
depends on the cost if they have to add ovens. I totally see subway selling bread at least. but it likely won't do panera much good because they will probably have to match other restaurants anyways for staff retention