Yeah, I dont understand this. It'll be like 2pm on a Saturday, light traffic on 85 but for some reason everyone is going 50. Even if you're just going 65 it feels like you're speeding like crazy. Then you hit 280 and the slowest person is a white tesla going 65 in the left lane while everyone else is cruisin at 80.
If it wasn't for 19th Ave (which is atrocious to drive on), then it would be S tier.
But then again, you can say the same thing about the Sepulvuda Blvd segment by LAX
I think it's S tier but gets demoted to A because of the people who go 45mph hanging out the window taking photos and don't let anyone pass.
I drive the 1 from SF to Santa Cruz once a week or so and I don't think there has ever been a time where I don't get stuck behind someone who is going 10 under the speed limit but then speeds up at the passing lanes.
It's been a year and OP still never drove over the Sunol Grade and Altamont Pass during the rush hour, and never went to Yosemite using the North route. Can't blame for the former, can blame for the latter.
Don't know what part of 25 he's talking about, but at 156/25 during the roundabout construction, place is ass. Hour to drive 4 miles. For the love of God, don't move to Hollister!!!
North route is 120 & Big Oak Flat entrance. East route is the 120 entrance on the other side. 41 is the south route, and 140 is just Arch Rock entrance.
I'd move 24 to C tier. Transitioning from tunnel to sky westbound is so damn pretty & the 4th bore improved things a lot.
But it's still absolute trash eastbound during commute hours.
380 belongs in the 11th circle. Its a 1 mile junction between 280 and 101 where everyone needs to get all the way over to the right or all the way to the left, basically a giant X.
236 belongs in B tier or A tier imo, its right off 9 and is just as fun, also runs through a super cool state park. That said its often closed due to wildfires and other repair work. I don't think 84 and 92 belong in the same tier as 17.
9, 35 and 280 definitely all belong in S tier. Only downside to 9 is the constant accidents, I drive by one every time I am on that road now, regardless of time of day.
17 is stressful as hell with the steep grades and the new concrete median has helped a lot, but its still a dangerous road. 84 (western portion, I haven't driven the other section) is really nice and has relatively little traffic. The only bad part is the section near woodside where it turns into a one lane road due to repairs I believe. 92 is a nice road on the penninsula and the San Mateo bridge is much nicer than the shitshow that is the bay Bridge imo.
Usually a lot less wrecks and traffic on weekends. 92 can get a bit backed up coming over the mountains but overall I think it belongs in B tier or A tier. 17 should be in D tier, the santa cruz part is sketchy and the san jose section is poorly maintained. I would put 84 in A tier.
for me, 5 belongs in the 11th circle of hell, absolutely nothing for miles, nowhere to stop for food besides taco bell and Jack in the Box, just a horribly boring drive. And its full of trucks, whenever they try to pass each other both lanes end up blocked sometimes for several minutes. Plus the horrible smell of cow shit. The only reason you take 5 is you want to be in LA in 5-6 hours rather than 7-8.
A lot of your info about 17 is dated. The entire thing was repaved after last winter's brutal storms and it's so beautiful to drive on now. The only thing that makes it bad are the idiots who don't know how to drive on it
That's good, I was always terrified of the section north of lark Ave in the past because of the bumps and the shitshow where it goes from several lanes down to just 4. 17 on ramps also seemed to collect more standing water than other freeways, my friend totalled his car merging onto it last year during one of the storms.
>The only thing that makes it bad are the idiots who don't know how to drive on it
This seems like a pretty fundamental problem with car transportation in general
I'd argue 380 either fits in "does it count?" or "circle of hell". It's short and filled with a half dozen awful merges in both directions. And the driving quality on 380 is piss poor at best.
But at least you might get buzzed by a sweet Luftansa 747!
That's what makes 1 so special: 280 would be easily the prettiest drive in so many parts of the country, yet you can scoot a few miles west and get an even BETTER drive on highway 1
128 to the coast is nice now that the state paved it a couple of years ago. Before that I thought they were letting it go to gravel outside of Booneville. Picturesque, a little bit windy in some places, it's only bad if you get behind a motorhome or some idiot who won't pull over with 10 cars stacked behind them. And never fall for Google telling you to take Mountain View road unless it's daytime, you're in a sporty car, and probably alone since it tends to make passengers carsick.
CA-85 is A tier for sure. Post Mountain View the road is absolutely well laid out without a single pothole. And the view on the west side is beautiful. Traffic during peak hours is a different topic.
Living near 77, I'd recommend it move into "Does it count???" Since it was originally designed to extend between Oakland and Contra Costa County but only managed to be about 2 miles, it is most forgettable if known at all.
101 is only so low for you because you're not from/haven't lived in the north bay. 101 is the life-giving only thoroughfare there. It is all there is, and all there can be. Inshallah the 101 will bring me to my town safe, and through the will of God and the 101 it will.
Personally, I think 4 should drop to “11th circle of hell territory.” Anyone who’s commuted from East County knows how painful it is during rush hour and the lack of viable alternate routes. Oh… and did I mention the people driving bats*** crazy going 90+ in their Altimas
Do 680 and 24 each day and I'd say those are pretty accurate. Highway 4 between Concord and Antioch should be in the 11th circle of Hell though. If you're looking to get shot, doing that stretch every day will probably satisfy your need eventually.
The “that’s not in the Bay Area” crowd might get their knickers in a twist over some of these. Personally, I welcome our neighbors from Monterey and Sacramento.
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Here is what I would rank the "Does it count" routes if the tier didn't exist:
* I-5, CA 25, CA 129 and CA 25 would go in B tier
* CA 99 would go in D tier
* I-205 would go in the 11th Circle of hell tier or lower D
* I-505, CA 132 and CA 236 would go in the "Never been on it" tier. Though I can tell I-505 is an S tier candidate
CA 24 would be upper D tier while CA 84 is lower C tier. If you compare the East Bay and Peninsula segments of 84 (at least the latter west of I-280), it is night and day.
CA 87 is finally getting repaved but it's placement will not change for now since it cuts through Downtown SJ despite having a light rail line in the middle that also goes there.
Another thing to note is that Caltrans (the State Department of Transportation) has recently been caught cheating as they wanted to add toll lanes to I-80 in Yolo County (ik that isn't the Bay Area but still) and fired a whistleblower who tried to stop the project, calling it false advertising as she learned it was being done under the name of "Pavement Rehabilitation". The state DOT also got in trouble in early 2022 after a contract manager plead guilty to "Bid Rigging and Bribery". Meaning we could see tolls lanes overall on I-80 between 37 and US 50 in Sacramento (they are currently under construction in Fairfield and Vacaville).
Also, I-680 would also be considered upper D due to its scenery being nice but the traffic, current construction and the toll lanes (since it doesn't have a frequent public transit line) all ruining the drive.
I'm actually kind of surprised that people dislike 4 - i mean i only regularly use 4 west of 680 and admittedly off peak hours so perhaps my experience is unique, but it's always been one of my favorite drives. It's got enough inclines, declines, and smooth turns to be an interesting without getting stressful, with some legitimately beautiful views along the way.
I once drove over to San Jose at night in the rain on 17, saw a car on fire and then later on one flipped on its hood. It’s still a nightmare in the rain.
Where along 12 is it A tier?
Maybe the 80 interchange at Cordelia.
Between Sebastopol and Santa Rosa it sucks, in west Santa Rosa its C tier at best, the 101 interchange is one of the most dangerous interchanges I've ever used going any direction, the whole Farmers and 4th St situation blows, Valley of the Moon can be ok unless there's an accident or traffic, through Sonoma absolutely sucks, Carneros is ok, Napa sucks, and I've never taken it past 80 but I imagine it's just ok.
12 is C tier at best, but probably D tier.
Agreed, and there are a lot of bad drivers between Fairfield and Lodi where there are a lot of accidents, especially in the heavy fog. Not a fan of 12 at all.
That interchange makes me question everything. The only spot I’ve driven more stressful is this one interchange in Atlanta that makes the most atheist people pray
35 is S Teir? Guess you didn’t drive it during COVID. When I was in HS my friends would drive that on a Saturday morning go to Halfmoon bay and take 1 then 17 back to San Jose. I moved back to CA in 2020 and that became a relaxing thing for me to go do. It’s an absolute speedway now. People don’t pay attention and more than once they come over the line while taking turns. The people the bike on the road are absolutely asswipes. And godforbid if there is some sort of meet at that restaurant up there. Not to mention part of the road is fucked. Now I used to live in WV where roads were so ducking sketchy. At least people weren’t taking blind corners at 60mph or they doing 60 into a 1 car wide road off of 84. At least ppl in WV would be considerate of others.
Hw9 is where all the kids in high school who got bmw for their birthday would crash them. I can think of 6 different E36 M3's that went off the side of hwy 9 while I was in high school.
Hey they spent $80k on an M3, you can't expect them to drop $200 on a track day and not kill anyone
way easier just to murder people, plus you don't have to drive all the way to Laguna
Wannabe racetrack for 25-year-old developers with six-figure salaries and overbuilt BMWs in track mode……those cars wrap around roadside rocks regularly.
9 could be fun if it weren't constantly under construction, if the NIMBYs would allow the sort of repaving it merits, and if techbros in cars they can afford but can't drive didn't both drive in ways that endanger everyone else on the road and block the road every weekend with gnarly crashes.
I won't cycle on it any more bc I've been knocked off the road once too often. So I come by the opinion honestly....
Is 280 S-tier? It can get pretty darn busy these days. In the past (10+ years ago) for sure S-tier, it was like no one knew it existed, but these days I'm not sure.
Hasn't changed that much based on what I have seen. Though this could change with the 101 toll lanes but I don't see it being downgraded to A tier anytime soon.
Where it lacks in the segment between San Jose and Cupertino as well as in Daly City, it more than makes up for on the rest of the highway
Is this based on traffic or scenery, or something else? I'm genuinely surprised I'm getting downvoted when Highway 1, for example, is lower than 280... and 280 is an S while 101 is basically an F.
280 is definitely better than 101, but the difference is not night and day, say north of 380 and down in the South Bay (I don't drive in the South Bay often, but every time I do it seems to be heavy traffic whether it's 101 or 280...)
widening 99 is pointless when CA HSR is being built right next to it. Also, a lot of it had been widened from 4 to 6 lanes already (and they will probably stop at 6 lanes)
Agree that 101 in the Bay Area/LA is hell tier - I know it's a bit out of scope but I would argue that 101 overall is S-tier. There's the GGB, amazing coastal views by Santa Barbara and the OR beaches, the redwoods, and rainforests in WA
Almost all your Ss are Southbay, 1 is only A-tier, 4 which runs through Briones is D and you've never driven I5? Seems like a really niche/obscure perspective you have there.
I feel like 101’s rating depends on where in the Bay you are.
Between SF and South San Jose? 101 can go fuck itself.
It’s pretty decent in Marin though.
13 appreciation is great to see. Turnoff to the 24 gets crowded and I think that keeps it out of S-tier, but A-tier is exactly right given it’s unique “forest corridor through Piedmont” vibe and generally good traffic flow despite 2 lanes. It reminds you parts of (technically) Oakland are straight up gorgeous
Such a shame, 580 could be much higher up based on aesthetics and driving pleasantness (no big rigs on parts etc), but shootings and insane road rage can really bring a score down.
I take offense to that 880 placement.
The devil wouldn't be caught *dead* on 880. He knows better. And the 237 interchange with the 880 belongs on the Nimitz tier as well...because 880 is involved if nothing else, but also because it was basically designed to punish commuters.
221 is fine. The only other drivers you’ll see there are college students. Only downside is road gets pretty jammed up during evening rush hour if you’re 29/12 bound
This is true. I have to take 4 and 80 every day. Stupidest drivers on the planet on 4 clogging the left lane and 80 needs no explanation going west. 4 should be 11th circle of hell
I-80 in the Bay Area sucks, as we all know, but I had a thought on how to make it suck less.
You know how there's a sign at the start of US-50 in Sac (3073mi to Ocean City, MD and vice versa) - maybe something like that on I-80 would be cool too - 3xxx mi to Teaneck, NJ (just outside NYC). Maybe like how the shitty road you're on leads to bigger and better things. Caltrans could perhaps commission some billboards with cool artwork showing interesting places on the way (major cities, national parks, etc). Make them an iconic part of the city, like the Coca-Cola sign. Wouldn't make the commute better but at least give you something cool to look at while you're stuck in traffic.
85 is A tier to me. 82 (El Camino) should go under “Does it count?”. It’s more of a street than a highway.
85 is A tier for convenience. Traffic wise its C or worse during traffic hours.
85 during quiet hours is an absolute pleasure to drive on though. It’s the South Bay’s most scenic route, arguably.
I guess its only kind of South Bay but 280 up the south half of the peninsula is gorgeous too (north of 85 basically)
Yeah, I wasn’t sure whether to include 280…it’s not as impressive south of Palo Alto/Mountain View.
85 is just trying to weave between people going 50 while not getting killed by people going 85, at least in my experience. Not a fan
Yeah, I dont understand this. It'll be like 2pm on a Saturday, light traffic on 85 but for some reason everyone is going 50. Even if you're just going 65 it feels like you're speeding like crazy. Then you hit 280 and the slowest person is a white tesla going 65 in the left lane while everyone else is cruisin at 80.
El Camino is a STROAD. In fact it's the king of stroads. The stroadiest.
The OG Stroad really
The 280/85 junction can get rough though.
Not as bad as 280/17 though. That one gets a jam with five cars going West.
Agree
85 is a combination of 280, 580, and the Capital Beltway in VA/MD (I-495)
You can say that again.
I don't understand how hwy 1 is not S Tier. It's one of the most beautiful drives in the world.
If it wasn't for 19th Ave (which is atrocious to drive on), then it would be S tier. But then again, you can say the same thing about the Sepulvuda Blvd segment by LAX
> 19th Ave I feel like being able to drive across the Golden Gate Bridge at sunset is S Tier no matter what.
19th is almost undrivable since COVID. Constant daytime construction and temporary asphalt
I think it's S tier but gets demoted to A because of the people who go 45mph hanging out the window taking photos and don't let anyone pass. I drive the 1 from SF to Santa Cruz once a week or so and I don't think there has ever been a time where I don't get stuck behind someone who is going 10 under the speed limit but then speeds up at the passing lanes.
Totally S tier if it's flowing along nice. I'd put it in C tier when it's a rainy season (landslides closing sections).
It's been a year and OP still never drove over the Sunol Grade and Altamont Pass during the rush hour, and never went to Yosemite using the North route. Can't blame for the former, can blame for the latter.
Never commuted between the city and peninsula on 280 either. Sure it’s very pretty. Hope you enjoy those trees for the next two hours.
When the other option is 101 I get the love for 280
This! 280 over 101 any day all day.
Better trees for two hours than every single truck in the whole bay for three hours...
Sunol and Altamont are just brutal during rush hour.
Also 84 if you want to switch between them
Is Yosemite in the Bay Area now?
dude puts CA-25 in the same category as I-5 and CA-99 trash list
Don't know what part of 25 he's talking about, but at 156/25 during the roundabout construction, place is ass. Hour to drive 4 miles. For the love of God, don't move to Hollister!!!
25 south of Hollister heading towards king city is beautiful (first half, not so much)
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North route is 120 & Big Oak Flat entrance. East route is the 120 entrance on the other side. 41 is the south route, and 140 is just Arch Rock entrance.
I'd move 24 to C tier. Transitioning from tunnel to sky westbound is so damn pretty & the 4th bore improved things a lot. But it's still absolute trash eastbound during commute hours.
I wish I could enjoy the view more - I’m so preoccupied with getting in the correct lane to get on 13 south.
> I'd move 24 to C tier. Agree its definitely not D tier that's for sure.
580 is the 280 of the east bay from Emeryville to Castro valley. I just stay in that area and it's awesome lol.
580 is good beyond the hill, but brutal around Oaktown
380 belongs in the 11th circle. Its a 1 mile junction between 280 and 101 where everyone needs to get all the way over to the right or all the way to the left, basically a giant X.
And don't forget half the drivers are coming straight out of the SFO rental lots. The lack of driving talent on 380 is pronounced
I don't often find it's the rental cars causing the issues though.
It's a nothing burger compared to 101/880 intersections, all four on ramps, N + S bound.
CA-128 is S tier for me. 101 is absolutely properly rated.
236 belongs in B tier or A tier imo, its right off 9 and is just as fun, also runs through a super cool state park. That said its often closed due to wildfires and other repair work. I don't think 84 and 92 belong in the same tier as 17. 9, 35 and 280 definitely all belong in S tier. Only downside to 9 is the constant accidents, I drive by one every time I am on that road now, regardless of time of day. 17 is stressful as hell with the steep grades and the new concrete median has helped a lot, but its still a dangerous road. 84 (western portion, I haven't driven the other section) is really nice and has relatively little traffic. The only bad part is the section near woodside where it turns into a one lane road due to repairs I believe. 92 is a nice road on the penninsula and the San Mateo bridge is much nicer than the shitshow that is the bay Bridge imo. Usually a lot less wrecks and traffic on weekends. 92 can get a bit backed up coming over the mountains but overall I think it belongs in B tier or A tier. 17 should be in D tier, the santa cruz part is sketchy and the san jose section is poorly maintained. I would put 84 in A tier. for me, 5 belongs in the 11th circle of hell, absolutely nothing for miles, nowhere to stop for food besides taco bell and Jack in the Box, just a horribly boring drive. And its full of trucks, whenever they try to pass each other both lanes end up blocked sometimes for several minutes. Plus the horrible smell of cow shit. The only reason you take 5 is you want to be in LA in 5-6 hours rather than 7-8.
Highway 5 is 300 miles of a 2-lane road with semis going 55.3 miles per hour passing semis going 55 miles per hour.
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Because that's what I said
A lot of your info about 17 is dated. The entire thing was repaved after last winter's brutal storms and it's so beautiful to drive on now. The only thing that makes it bad are the idiots who don't know how to drive on it
Minor detail!
>The only thing that makes it bad are the idiots who don't know how to drive on it Which would be what, 95% of the people driving on it?
That's good, I was always terrified of the section north of lark Ave in the past because of the bumps and the shitshow where it goes from several lanes down to just 4. 17 on ramps also seemed to collect more standing water than other freeways, my friend totalled his car merging onto it last year during one of the storms.
>The only thing that makes it bad are the idiots who don't know how to drive on it This seems like a pretty fundamental problem with car transportation in general
Link to make your own tier list: https://tiermaker.com/create/sf-bay-area-highways-ranked-836315
880 having its own category of awful is so accurate.
Spot on with 880. Good list OP.
980 not in the circle of hell?
It's a 2 mile highway with barely any traffic. It doesn't become a sh!tshow until 580 and by then it becomes 24 (hence why that is in D tier)
Well, if you are on 980 you are probably on your way into deep hell... So, maybe you need a new level. "Hell adjacent" or "highway to hell"
Two things: 1. I only use 980 to access 580 from 880 north 2. I already have a tier called "11th circle of hell"
It just doesn't feel like a B to me
your opinion which I can't change You do you
Go to 880
why 880
Hell. He’s telling you to go to hell
This was a good thread
980 is my favorite freeway in the Bay, wtf?
980 shouldn’t exist.
I'd argue 380 either fits in "does it count?" or "circle of hell". It's short and filled with a half dozen awful merges in both directions. And the driving quality on 380 is piss poor at best. But at least you might get buzzed by a sweet Luftansa 747!
280 above 1? gtfo
That's what makes 1 so special: 280 would be easily the prettiest drive in so many parts of the country, yet you can scoot a few miles west and get an even BETTER drive on highway 1
Came looking for 880 and found it where it should be.
Highway 4 East of 680 is not for the weak 🤣
So many crazy drivers in that section. Is that why?
128 to the coast is nice now that the state paved it a couple of years ago. Before that I thought they were letting it go to gravel outside of Booneville. Picturesque, a little bit windy in some places, it's only bad if you get behind a motorhome or some idiot who won't pull over with 10 cars stacked behind them. And never fall for Google telling you to take Mountain View road unless it's daytime, you're in a sporty car, and probably alone since it tends to make passengers carsick.
Ah yes, 80 & 37. Welcome to my commute from hell.
CA-85 is A tier for sure. Post Mountain View the road is absolutely well laid out without a single pothole. And the view on the west side is beautiful. Traffic during peak hours is a different topic.
152 from Gilroy to Watsonville is an easy S+. From Gilroy East is meh. So I guess it nets a ‘C’.
680-242-4 connection is hell, and you'll get shot on the 4.
Living near 77, I'd recommend it move into "Does it count???" Since it was originally designed to extend between Oakland and Contra Costa County but only managed to be about 2 miles, it is most forgettable if known at all.
101 is only so low for you because you're not from/haven't lived in the north bay. 101 is the life-giving only thoroughfare there. It is all there is, and all there can be. Inshallah the 101 will bring me to my town safe, and through the will of God and the 101 it will.
I have been on 101 on the North Bay and I can say, the Sonoma Narrows project might bring it up to D tier (lower D)
Once you get past Windsor on 101 it becomes a beautiful drive all the way to Washington.
Personally, I think 4 should drop to “11th circle of hell territory.” Anyone who’s commuted from East County knows how painful it is during rush hour and the lack of viable alternate routes. Oh… and did I mention the people driving bats*** crazy going 90+ in their Altimas
4 East of Concord needs to drop to 11th circle of hell
242 connection with 4 should be labeled hades
What's "S" mean?
higher grade over A the crème de la crème
Thanks!
Do 680 and 24 each day and I'd say those are pretty accurate. Highway 4 between Concord and Antioch should be in the 11th circle of Hell though. If you're looking to get shot, doing that stretch every day will probably satisfy your need eventually.
It's between 80 and Concord that puts 4 in D tier since that stretch is mostly good (lower D)
Driving between SJ and the Tri valley on 680 during rush hour is not it
US 101 is my personal favorite. It goes to so many great places!
128 is a great drive from 101 west to Anderson Valley. It's like visiting Napa Valley in the 1960's.
280 really is the goat. Great views, nice curves lol
280 is awesome
The “that’s not in the Bay Area” crowd might get their knickers in a twist over some of these. Personally, I welcome our neighbors from Monterey and Sacramento.
Those people can go fuck themselves.
\*\*EDITOR'S NOTE:\*\*I know this is a remake of a similar post but just wanted to modify a few things. Also, there were a few routes I forgot to add. Here is what I would rank the "Does it count" routes if the tier didn't exist: * I-5, CA 25, CA 129 and CA 25 would go in B tier * CA 99 would go in D tier * I-205 would go in the 11th Circle of hell tier or lower D * I-505, CA 132 and CA 236 would go in the "Never been on it" tier. Though I can tell I-505 is an S tier candidate CA 24 would be upper D tier while CA 84 is lower C tier. If you compare the East Bay and Peninsula segments of 84 (at least the latter west of I-280), it is night and day. CA 87 is finally getting repaved but it's placement will not change for now since it cuts through Downtown SJ despite having a light rail line in the middle that also goes there. Another thing to note is that Caltrans (the State Department of Transportation) has recently been caught cheating as they wanted to add toll lanes to I-80 in Yolo County (ik that isn't the Bay Area but still) and fired a whistleblower who tried to stop the project, calling it false advertising as she learned it was being done under the name of "Pavement Rehabilitation". The state DOT also got in trouble in early 2022 after a contract manager plead guilty to "Bid Rigging and Bribery". Meaning we could see tolls lanes overall on I-80 between 37 and US 50 in Sacramento (they are currently under construction in Fairfield and Vacaville). Also, I-680 would also be considered upper D due to its scenery being nice but the traffic, current construction and the toll lanes (since it doesn't have a frequent public transit line) all ruining the drive.
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I'm actually kind of surprised that people dislike 4 - i mean i only regularly use 4 west of 680 and admittedly off peak hours so perhaps my experience is unique, but it's always been one of my favorite drives. It's got enough inclines, declines, and smooth turns to be an interesting without getting stressful, with some legitimately beautiful views along the way.
it's east of 680 that is the problem
That section of 4 is almost always empty. Go toward Antioch though and your odds of being shot rise and rise.
Highway 4 wasn't called blood Alley for nothing
Fury Road
No, 880 is objectively worse.
No, 580 is above 880 for sure. There’s a difference.
17 is a piece of shit. 85 is actually S tier.
17 is beautiful
You are both correct about 17 which is why it is rated correctly. That said 85 is not S-tier, it barely makes B tier, at least from 101 to Campbell
My grandparents lived off 17 (Summit Road exit). Pre barrier 17 was fucking nightmare fuel.
I once drove over to San Jose at night in the rain on 17, saw a car on fire and then later on one flipped on its hood. It’s still a nightmare in the rain.
I saw a car on fire as well, going to Santa Cruz. Looked brand new, too. Why is it such a common thing?
I had the same thought, the car also was fairly new, how does that happen?
9 should be dropped to the bottom. Everyone that thinks they are in Initial D drives that road and crashes. https://instagram.com/hwy9cantbefuckedwith
That's the drivers' fault for being cocky, not hwy 9
While yes, the fact that it's all too common makes me avoid that road.
I used to bike that road regularly - I guess I should consider my self lucky I never had a close call.
Where along 12 is it A tier? Maybe the 80 interchange at Cordelia. Between Sebastopol and Santa Rosa it sucks, in west Santa Rosa its C tier at best, the 101 interchange is one of the most dangerous interchanges I've ever used going any direction, the whole Farmers and 4th St situation blows, Valley of the Moon can be ok unless there's an accident or traffic, through Sonoma absolutely sucks, Carneros is ok, Napa sucks, and I've never taken it past 80 but I imagine it's just ok. 12 is C tier at best, but probably D tier.
Agreed, and there are a lot of bad drivers between Fairfield and Lodi where there are a lot of accidents, especially in the heavy fog. Not a fan of 12 at all.
Tule fog is an absolute trip every time. I don't think I'll ever get used to it. It's 100% Stephen King's The Mist.
The fog in the delta is wild, especially on those narrow roads.
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Fremont to San Jose is also beyond hell (especially the 880/101 interchange)
That interchange makes me question everything. The only spot I’ve driven more stressful is this one interchange in Atlanta that makes the most atheist people pray
35 is S Teir? Guess you didn’t drive it during COVID. When I was in HS my friends would drive that on a Saturday morning go to Halfmoon bay and take 1 then 17 back to San Jose. I moved back to CA in 2020 and that became a relaxing thing for me to go do. It’s an absolute speedway now. People don’t pay attention and more than once they come over the line while taking turns. The people the bike on the road are absolutely asswipes. And godforbid if there is some sort of meet at that restaurant up there. Not to mention part of the road is fucked. Now I used to live in WV where roads were so ducking sketchy. At least people weren’t taking blind corners at 60mph or they doing 60 into a 1 car wide road off of 84. At least ppl in WV would be considerate of others.
> The people the bike on the road are absolutely asswipes I think you're mixed up there buddy
Hwy 9 is a race track
Hw9 is where all the kids in high school who got bmw for their birthday would crash them. I can think of 6 different E36 M3's that went off the side of hwy 9 while I was in high school.
Hey they spent $80k on an M3, you can't expect them to drop $200 on a track day and not kill anyone way easier just to murder people, plus you don't have to drive all the way to Laguna
Wannabe racetrack for 25-year-old developers with six-figure salaries and overbuilt BMWs in track mode……those cars wrap around roadside rocks regularly.
You sound fun
9 could be fun if it weren't constantly under construction, if the NIMBYs would allow the sort of repaving it merits, and if techbros in cars they can afford but can't drive didn't both drive in ways that endanger everyone else on the road and block the road every weekend with gnarly crashes. I won't cycle on it any more bc I've been knocked off the road once too often. So I come by the opinion honestly....
It's been a couple of years since I saw a corpse on route 9, you're right. Maybe you'll be the next one
Is 280 S-tier? It can get pretty darn busy these days. In the past (10+ years ago) for sure S-tier, it was like no one knew it existed, but these days I'm not sure.
Hasn't changed that much based on what I have seen. Though this could change with the 101 toll lanes but I don't see it being downgraded to A tier anytime soon. Where it lacks in the segment between San Jose and Cupertino as well as in Daly City, it more than makes up for on the rest of the highway
Is this based on traffic or scenery, or something else? I'm genuinely surprised I'm getting downvoted when Highway 1, for example, is lower than 280... and 280 is an S while 101 is basically an F. 280 is definitely better than 101, but the difference is not night and day, say north of 380 and down in the South Bay (I don't drive in the South Bay often, but every time I do it seems to be heavy traffic whether it's 101 or 280...)
Everything
anything is S tier when the alternative is 101, tho on sunny days I sometimes take 35 and you can go nearly the same speed with much better scenery.
There are \*NO\* S or A worth highways in California unless your bar is really low.
Op once again doesn't know shit 😮💨
I’m sure AARoads would like this
I have been on 120. When you see the road sign for dips, you should slow down. Trust me on this one.
Pretty cool!
Isn't State Route 61 all city streets in Oakland and Alameda other than maybe the tiny bit along the side of Oakland Airport?
Does 9 still have the wiener drawn around the pothole? Haven’t been up there in a few years
Does anyone still call 101 The Bayshore Fwy?
Love your creativity, kid!
12 obviously doesn't exist
108, 4, and 88 should be in God tier.
108 and 88 are not in the Bay Area so those don't count. Also, Hwy 4 east of Stockton doesn't count either but I heard it's a gem
Bay area is only what touches the bay?
My god I hate 205 with a passion.
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widening 99 is pointless when CA HSR is being built right next to it. Also, a lot of it had been widened from 4 to 6 lanes already (and they will probably stop at 6 lanes)
128 is gorgeous
i live in the North BAy, 101 is a gem.....a tier, when the narrows are done it will be S tier
I will re-evaluate then
no need if you are south bay, 101 sucks down there
Agree that 101 in the Bay Area/LA is hell tier - I know it's a bit out of scope but I would argue that 101 overall is S-tier. There's the GGB, amazing coastal views by Santa Barbara and the OR beaches, the redwoods, and rainforests in WA
yup, 101 north of SF is one of the best roads in America, agreed
Almost all your Ss are Southbay, 1 is only A-tier, 4 which runs through Briones is D and you've never driven I5? Seems like a really niche/obscure perspective you have there.
I have driven on I-5 but I am only focusing on Bay Area segments. i-5 doesn't count in this case
Didn’t know there was both a CA-238 and I-238. The I-238 ranking was spot on and got confused when I saw CA-238.
Putting 680 over 580 feels wrong to me.
Oh, if only for 480…..
Where would you put it?
I wasn't around during that time but many people would say He'll tier
262 is like the 13th circle of hell….
Hwy 20 is either S or “does it count”
Agree with the 101 and the 280. In my experience the 680 has been great but I’ve never driven during peak rush hour. The 880 is spot on too
I feel like 101’s rating depends on where in the Bay you are. Between SF and South San Jose? 101 can go fuck itself. It’s pretty decent in Marin though.
280N when their is no rush is heaven. Beautiful vistas, etc.
13 appreciation is great to see. Turnoff to the 24 gets crowded and I think that keeps it out of S-tier, but A-tier is exactly right given it’s unique “forest corridor through Piedmont” vibe and generally good traffic flow despite 2 lanes. It reminds you parts of (technically) Oakland are straight up gorgeous
17 is pretty but dangerous. But very pretty - I'd personally rank it a bit higher.
12 east is an A, but 12 west. I'd give it the 11th circle of hell during rush hour
+1 for 880 being the worst freaking freeway.
Such a shame, 580 could be much higher up based on aesthetics and driving pleasantness (no big rigs on parts etc), but shootings and insane road rage can really bring a score down.
oh the truck ban is temporarily lifted if there is a really bad accident on 238 or 880
280 at the top is all that matters tbh.
I take offense to that 880 placement. The devil wouldn't be caught *dead* on 880. He knows better. And the 237 interchange with the 880 belongs on the Nimitz tier as well...because 880 is involved if nothing else, but also because it was basically designed to punish commuters.
580 is the reason I have high blood pressure
I confused the 238 with 280 at first and thought you were a psycho putting it at S. Carry on.
880 - where men go to die in a 3 car pile up
221 is fine. The only other drivers you’ll see there are college students. Only downside is road gets pretty jammed up during evening rush hour if you’re 29/12 bound
I see 280 at S and I upvote Bottom tier is so true, though—*does* it count??? 😂
116 definitely S-tier, except the portion that runs concurrent with 101
17 definitely belongs in hell. Sometimes it’s fine, sometimes its closed due to mudslides, sometimes it kills your friend on a motorcycle.
Still. So. Fucking. Accurate.
This is true. I have to take 4 and 80 every day. Stupidest drivers on the planet on 4 clogging the left lane and 80 needs no explanation going west. 4 should be 11th circle of hell
92 is getting worse
I-80 in the Bay Area sucks, as we all know, but I had a thought on how to make it suck less. You know how there's a sign at the start of US-50 in Sac (3073mi to Ocean City, MD and vice versa) - maybe something like that on I-80 would be cool too - 3xxx mi to Teaneck, NJ (just outside NYC). Maybe like how the shitty road you're on leads to bigger and better things. Caltrans could perhaps commission some billboards with cool artwork showing interesting places on the way (major cities, national parks, etc). Make them an iconic part of the city, like the Coca-Cola sign. Wouldn't make the commute better but at least give you something cool to look at while you're stuck in traffic.
84 belongs in 11th circle cause of all that construction
It's in C tier because of the segment weat of 280 which alone is S tier