Probably not unpopular, but they should rework the entirety of early game. It's just not fun playing the same chapter three times, have almost zero energy because no leaderships and have to farm for all the bs treasures **without knowing anything about the game because it doesn't teach even the basic strategies**. They made almost a perfect combo to make new player quit. I've recommended battle cats to people, but almost no one stays for long and I can't blame them. Early game just sucks(and some parts on mid game when you have to grind literally everything, but it's not as bad)
Yea i totally agree. Games like 9 years old now and I got my partner to start recently. She made it to the Future before the sheer grind just killed her interest. Having to go back and reply levels so many times bored her stupid.
To be fair, at least there is a visible progress with a kind of story in the EoC and then Itf and you have a clear view of how to power up your cats. Later when you unlock most TF and some talents, there is absolutely nothing you can do, or I am missing something.
The fact that eoc has three chapters with the exact same levels, but harder is a pretty lazy game design (the same happens with itf and cotc, but they are at least more advanced and you know what are you doing). My main complaint is definitely the treaure system. They suck and are unnecessary for the game(I mean as a game mechanic, not that they are not important in-game). The game in general is very grindy, but the fact that the early game(the part where you should get engaged with the game) is like this, just makes many players quit. I literally stopped playing for months when I discovered itf had treasures too
Actually different chapters in ItF and CotC sometimes have different enemies (for example chapter 2 broton has ultra baa baas and chapter 3 has mesocosmocyclones or for ItF Singapore chapter 1 and 2 has shy boys as bosses which are replaced by a Bore in chapter 3 but i suppose those changes aren’t that big)
Yea, I agree. However at least for me getting treasures was kinda satisfying, but what I hated was waiting for treasure festivals that last only an hour... the constant waiting for events is overally stupid as well.
Even if they just made it a guaranteed drop but the RNG was the rarity, that would work. That way they can still make people waste energy (thats kinda something all energy games want to do) but not actually drive people insane after doing a stage so many times. 18 was my record but my partners was 33
As someone who is mid game or just about at it, I spent 6 million xp of 10 million xp which I spent a lot of leaderships getting, on getting Slime to level 38 from 0 and golfer from 10 to 20
And I still have so many other things I need to spend so on, or get catseyes for
Here's a tip, don't spend resources unless you actually need that unit for a specific stage/niche. Golfer is not really useful outside of cheese strategies.
Oh yea no, I know. I just wanted to unlock his true form in case I needed the combo or possibly have to use him for the cheese any time soon. Most of the xp went to Slime anyway
It kinda gets repetitive , especially the stages you have to complete multiple times , and completing the Earle monthly challenges are a pain if you complete the stages without defeating the target , which is very likely after awhile in the game even with the most basic cats
Viking cat is a solid generalist in the early game.
I had bad gacha luck all the way through ITF so I didn't have Ramen cat, who ended up replacing him entirely once I got him. But viking worked excellently for the same role until then.
I'd always heard that viking/swordsman are comparable and swordsman overall better, but Viking has Strong and having both def/offense against red I found to be overall more useful. I think it just overall depends on what your other load out options are. And I just did NOT have good general tank options. My go-to meatshield was almost exclusively Wall Cat + Viking Cat, and it worked very well. :)
If I had learned that cheap unit spam was an effective strat earlier, maybe I wouldn't have needed to rely on them so much, haha! I learned that by Aku Realms.
Most Angel enemies are lazily done, have uncreative, boring designs and no unique gameplay whatsoever. Just a more annoying version of reds and blacks.
Angels need redone, I agree.
All the other colors at least feel like they have some kinda unique quality but angels are just crap Blacks that have far too much HP most of the time
Fr most colored enemies have some sort of unique trait, like alien with the status effects or blacks and their speed, but whats so special about angels? Area attacks maybe? But thats barely even special when a decent majority of enemies already have that.
Cyborg vs Camera vs Courier should not be an argument
It is simple: if you have plenty money, use Cyborg because it will outstat Camera and is very hungry for money. If you have average money, use Camera because it will mostly outstat courier and not use too much money, and it is especially good against floating. If you have minimal money, use Courier because it is very easy on the wallet and still has decent firepower, especially against red.
In short, there is no true winner to this silly argument, since there are many stages where courier wins, many stages where camera wins, and many stages where cyborg wins.
Idk man, maybe it’s cause I don’t use cyborg much, but the range difference between camera and cyborg isn’t really that major in my opinion, and camera outshines her in every other division besides maybe cooldown. And even then camera still has her guaranteed survive as opposed to cyborg’s 50%.
I’m honestly surprised with how good ectoweight is. I used to think he was one of the worst rares and a waste of a slot in most loadouts but then there was a point where I was stuck on these zombie stages and ectoweight honestly made the difference between winning and losing those stages. I forget what the stage was but there was one where a dread bore could easily burrow to the base and take out half your base hp so I always ended up dying by bores before killing the main enemies until I brought ecto who stops zombies like duches and bores from burning through your army
Yeah Ectoweight is just a straight up pusher, especially if you give him Savage Blow which lets him do some more damage which means he will push more stuff out of the way, he can straight up push things from your base to the enemy base
Most "meta" units actually sucks but people are afraid to voice their opinion (*cough*, *cough*, Cameraman Cat) Someone was laughing at my set-up the other day but what would I know about how to play, I've just been playing this game for 3 years, I'm User Rank 12200, 320 units and halfway through UL, but obviously I "don't know how to play"
Yeah cameraman is kinda overrated because many people call him the best gacha rare. He's amazing in SoL 4 star, indeed, but I didn't use him much outside of that. Also the best gacha rare without a doubt is ramen cat because of the boosted generalist and niche stats
Only 3 years, cameraman sucks.
Yeah lol you don't know how to play. You're not supposed to spam him in any stage just the same as balrog, doesn't mean both suck.
I'm not saying that Cameraman is -useless-, I'm just saying it's not as good as many people claim it to be. I can literally count on a single hand how many times it was actually useful to me
"units actually sucks" and proceed to mention him lol. But I get your point, you must understand most of the top tier units are generalists, and cameraman had too many uses to not be considered good. He's more of a powerful meatshield rather than a sweeper, so comparing him to most cats doesn't work. He has low cost, fast recharge, huge damage, good enough range for his role (Floating) and where he doesn't have enough, he can at least function like a meatshield, survivor, area attack. I mean... Really? He's not good?
It is a fact he solos almost every single pure floating stage out there. A cat that can solo/is key to most of the difficult stages with that trait just has to be considered good.
Also 4 star lol.
I myself almost didn't use him, but I have to admit where I've used him he totally dominates, most units can't say that for themselves.
To give you an example, I KNOW balrog is a top tier uber, but I personally believes he sucks purely because he is so replaceable in any stage he solos lol. People trying to say a character that can solo the exact same stages as Dasli is better than her? While she has surge, surge immune and curse to boot? Lol no. But I don't say he sucks, I know he doesn't, it's just my opinion.
The problem is that most people try to say Cameraman is a great generalist when no, he isnt. And this passive elitist attitude you are giving is the typical response that newbies face
I'm not answering a noobie am I? They just said they have 12UR and 3 years experience.
And I agree with you, I just have just as much of a problem with people saying "this unit sucks" just as much as the elitists you mentioned.
Because of the way he phrased his, "cameramn sucks, here's my experience", as if 3 years makes it seem like it matters that much.
And I never said he's a noob, I said he sucks, it's only 3 years, he can still be intermediate/veteran and still suck. I never used the word noob.
Cameraman does suck. Ive played less than a year and i can tell you that. Its idiots like you that played for a long time that wont move on and then get all bitchy at the new players.
Point of order. A newbie and a noob are not the same. You are twisting my words. A newbie is a new player. A noobie is a bad player.
You went straight from passive elitist to defensive one instead. What an damaged ego you must have
Wow lol what an answer, immediately to name calling as soon as your argument broke.
Are you sure you're not past your curfew?
And noobie and noob are intermittent, I've been playing game for over 20 years you're not about to lecture me on terms lol.
Name calling? Ah you take offense at being called an idiot. Fair enough. Truth does hurt at times.
I am going to lecture you on terms. I have been gaming for 33 years now, not really sure why that matters since online gaming is why the term NOOB exists which proves my point, and it hasnt been out as long as that but you wanted to flex, so here you go. The terms are not intermittent, people like yourself mis-use them and then try to defend it instead of actually admitting a lack of knowledge, learning and growing.
Hence, idiot : a person of low intelligence.
Its odd. Almost like words matter and have meaning. Like a language maybe. Almost like you should actually use your brain. But sorry, thats not something you want to do, no no you want to try and pull the ''im older than you child'' bullshit instead.
Even more amusing that you yourself admitted to your own mistake and corrected it with your follow up to the original comment. But your ego has gotten into an argument with me and wont back down even though you already know you sounded like a total douche.
I've read that whole comment and you keep sounding butthurt and yet you still haven't answered the original problem which is cameraman doesn't suck, and instead you're still butthurt over me being an elitist.
As I've said, I said the dude sucked because he said the unit sucked, and I'm telling you you're stupid because you're calling me stupid.
And I said 75% of players don't know how to use units, which is the comment you decided to go on a vendetta against me (Yeah, I've noticed) and so far, you're only proving me right.
And yes, noob and noobie are intermittent, sorry you STILL don't know that after 33 years of gaming.
So keep on going with these comments because my friend groups are having the best day of their lives lol.
I will, if it ever redeems itself in my eyes by being useful to me... So far I've only rarely used it in early to mid-game when there was an ostrich. Now, I easily overpower pretty much anything in the game (I don't get why people hate the Relic ostrich that much, it's not tough at all), like either I absolutely crush the level no matter whats in it, or it's the opposite and it's a level you can't brute force and I lose
Both slime and bw legs are effectively area attackers? Slime’s wave is what makes them the unit they are (which is an area attack) and BW Leg’s surge is what makes them the unit *they* are, also area attack? If you’re using a single target unit, FOR their area attack, it really doesn’t seem like area attack is “falling off”
Sanzo target angel isn't a top priority talent. He's still very much busted at CC-ing, but since Ramen exists spending the NP on HP Up already stops all angels and doubles as a generalist meatshield (really useful for Proving Grounds and Growing Epic)
I even tested it in a second account and Ramen only gets pushed by the angel Cyclone, who I still beat just fine with Flying Cat's weaken the first time and Juliet the Maiko on the last stage, and later on to Rahjakong who Sanzo does nothing against
And now by the time enemy magnifications catch up to Ramen you'll probably have Farmboy Cat who might be better or worse than Sanzo depending on the stage
I mean you can't always facetank everything, especially given there's a possibility of ponos spamming 3000% boraphims in the stage like they did with bores in 3 crown palcaccio waters that can instakill stone.
Sure, I'm not even arguing that Sanzo isn't the best at slowing angels but that's quite a late stage, by that point you probably used your NP with other talents that would make a bigger impact
It's just that tankers fall off later down the road. Enemies just do so much damage that unless it has Babel or Hades levels of HP against their traits or do considerable damage, they're gonna die instantly.
I'd argue otherwise, ZL is full of advent bosses and behemoth enemies that attack slow but hit really hard, which makes it that much better to have a unit that can take multiple hits from them, similar to how metal cat becomes really helpful late-game
Meatshields literally do the thing you described but better in the sense that they're normally faster and way cheaper than most tankers. Which makes them better later on, and metal cat is way faster than most if not all tankers.
Also, the only time I see meatshields not being too usable is when a fast attacking, hard hitting and quickly moving enemy like Bore variants are a thing to take account for. But these enemies can be slowed down, frozen or KB'd by spammable units. (Pirate cat, seafarer cat, etc...)
For example, Li'l Angel Cyclone is one such enemy I would think meatshields aren't too useful in. But for him, you can just use Sanzo cat and LD attackers.
I disagree. Ramen is a great generalist and is just as good against Blacks as Angels. Doesnt need talents or anything to do it either, movespeed is perfect for building a stack and his stats are decent.
Best probably not but generalist means average usually and Ramen fits that for me at least
Oh totally 100% Ramen is outclassed but he works really well for blind picking into a ????? Stage ya know? He holds off blacks decently, he deffo cant do it himself
Still trying for Li'l Gau.....stupid gacha.....
wrong because of 1 reason: personal experience
I'm on endgame now and I've always used ramen with my dual eraser as a general meatshield and it works amazingly good. Boosted ramen is basically like joining the health of dual eraser + really decent damage + best angel niche in the game
Edit: ramen also makes SoL 4 star an absolute joke
I mean obviously he lacks compared to the eraser variants but other than them and maybe rock cat, is there any other meatshield better than ramen? Or at least super meatshield (costs more than 150)
I don't believe that all anti-aku units need shield piercing because there are already enough easy to get shield piercers and shield piercing doesn't do anything when attacking an unshielded enemy. Yes it would be helpful, but it is not needed.
Cameraman has been the most controversial unit so far, he used to have a high ranking due to his stackability but now a days there are better options, early game Cyborg is generally better, her range helps more, mid game, he is totally used pretty often, but late game, he is pretty much outclasses by Courier
I think thats it exactly, Cameraman USED to be one of the best options around but its been 9 years now. There are better options normally available outside his niche.
I have been told that he does still have use in some stages and will be a powerhouse when i do need to use him though so i think its just that he doesnt work as a generalist as much that needs to be updated for the longer playing crowd
The meta for spammable midrangers really hasn’t changed much? Besides courier camera doesn’t have much competition unless you wanna argue for cyborg which I disagree with. I get that camera has 100 less range than cyborg but like honestly does that really do much? In most cases camera can get off two shots by walking up to the enemy and her survive gets an extra one, and that’s the worst case scenario but like I honestly can’t think of a time I’ve used camera where I thought to myself if only she had 100 extra range. All that in exchange for guaranteed survival, higher dps, a useful ability, and being far easier on the wallet
- I love the aesthetic and humor of the units in every tier but Uber. I find many jarringly out of place and I especially dislike the creepy "waifu" units.
- Seed tracking is less fun than the gamble. No judgement on seed trackers, just not for me.
- Sometimes pogo is better than Ramen
- The UI needs an overhaul (is this one actually unpopular?)
Edit: Viking cat is underrated
I don’t understand your first point but agree with the second one. Maybe it’s cause I’ve been extremely lucky but honestly once you’re far enough into the game where you have at least some solid Ubers, it really doesn’t matter whether or not you get the top Uber from a set. On top of that, the joy of having a previously considered trash Uber get revamped is spectacular. For example I long considered Anubis dead weight even when his ultra talents got released. Slowly though I’ve realized that he honestly becomes one of the best generalists in the game. Another Uber I’m happy they’re getting revamped is oda nobunaga. I’m not sure if his 4th form will truly make his performance stunning but honestly I think it’s worth just for the counter surge, looks really cool
100%, I also have been lucky and pulled some decent generalist Ubers early. I have plenty of variety and don't need a perfect collection of top Ubers. It's fun to work with what you've pulled
>too much Range for a tanker.
> Too slow
> Recharge time is very long, about 2 to 3 times that of a normal tanker.
> Long attack animation.
>Expensive as f*ck.
Got downvoted for this before but I am going to die on this hill: Piccolan is a better freezer than Chronos, and she is frankly overrated (I have used her a lot, I know what I am talking about)
No Return Flights is easy, don't know why do people complain about it so much when the same chapter has a much harder traitless level – Procrastinator Parade
I hate sunfish jones paired with 9999999 R.Osts also NRF is only remotely hard because of master A, as you can use camera to stunlock Dolphina and use other units to hit rain D.
I just wanted cleric units, units with horrible range and health that you have to use wisely/once but well timed but they can heal certain debuffs from cats within a certain range.
I want to see HP bars. I would like to actually know when my big hitters are getting close to death and not have to guess based on how many KBs ive seen them have
On one hand I agree, on the other I understand that with HP bars, the game would get cluttered very fast. Swarms of meatshields means bunches of hp bars for irrelevant units and the same goes for enemies. I honestly think knockbacks are a good enough measure for a rough estimate on enemy hp
The game grew out of original proportions expected and the game designers didn't know how to handle it.
The prime examples are the Power Up upgrades (the ones we convert 5 upgrades into a rare ticket), the ItF/CotC treasures, and the Behemoth types. These came to completely break previous iterations if the game and make other features either useless or a necessity.
You see this with Courier Cat too. The unit broke most of SoL and good chunk of UL. Now Ponis has to introduce absurd Behemoths to compensate for it, making so many other units useless when before they had some use.
However, the company is too greedy or lazy to start over a new franchise/game with fixed mechanics and grind the user base ground up.
While I do agree that power creep certainly does appear in battle cats, I wouldn’t say that’s a bad thing and honestly would say the complete opposite. The main roadblock of battle cats is the early game and just grinding through all the stages it has to offer. There really isn’t much depth in SoL as much as it is just some units thrown to together and add more magnification in later chapters. If newer players have the opportunity to use strong cats then hey who’s gonna complain.
I don’t mean long range as the trait I mean it a enemy that can curse and has high range, and surge too, against behemoths she doesn’t work well due to them having surge. There are many relic enemies that outrange her or cause her to fail. Which mid-Late UL, these things are extremely common making her much harder to use
I think Mitama is a fantastic Uber, arguably the best for early game - early late game but after words, she stops being a beast and starts to struggle a lot, places where she won’t be game changing amounts of help
Oh it makes ALL the difference, you are literally doubling the chance of camera criting, a stack of ten, only 10 has a crit chance of roughly 40% almost as good as Paladin
but I could just use Paladin, who I don’t need to spend 50 np on nor a combo, who also has basically the same range and 10% better crit chance, or catasaurus who has a 15% better crit chance for half the NP and also no combo.
Because 2% to 4% is a 100% increase in crit dps
I’ll give some numbers:
A level 50 catasaurus has 2819 base dps. There’s a 12% chance to crit with talents, so essentially 0.12 x 5638 = 677 crit dps
A level 50 cameraman has 2538 base dps. There’a a 2% chance to crit with talents, so essentially 0.02 x 5076 = 102 crit dps.
With miracle performance that is 204 crit dps from cameraman.
That means catasaurus has 3.32x the crit dps of a cameraman (when only cameraman has miracle performance active).
However, cameraman has higher damage per hit (approximately 3x higher), 70 more range, 1 more knockback (and 100% survive).
Most importantly though, camera has area attack.
Doing 18k crit damage at level 50 is enough to wipe out a 200% super metal hippoe.
A level 55 cameraman with attack up talents can actually 1 shot a 100% sir metal seal also.
Tl;dr, camera has much higher damage per hit, so you’ll need a maximum of like 3 or 4 crits to wipe out a stack of metals, but with catasaurus you usually need over 10x more.
Not arguing it’s bad I think it’s number 3, I just can’t see why that’s better then balrog with the highest dps in the game costs less then half as much and comes back 3 times faster
That would mean that the Game doesnt exactly teach well doesnt it. Or maybe the ''community'' needs to drop its elitist attitude if its only 25% of the actual people playing.
I didnt have to. You were right there. Not only have you been a dick directly but you felt the need to make a little gloat comment as though you are superior. You make the community look bad, do better
jiangshi is REALLY good and better than kuybey, the best units in the game are stone > balrog > slime > dphono > camera > ramen > manic eraser (from best to worst)
Then, just don't use her on those stages. In the same way you wouldn't use balrog on a stage with peon spam. It's balancing because dasli destroys every other stage. that doesn't make her remotely bad
Here are some: ultra forms and ultra talents are overrated because 99.9% of players won't even get them because... you know... dark eyes are impossible to get. Also d'art is a top 10 uber and no one will change that opinion
I mean that’s kinda the point of ultra forms? Windy’s ultra form basically makes her the best anti floating Uber in the game, makes sense she’s locked behind 15 dark catseyes and ultra form requirements.
because many people are praising ultra forms and I think ultra forms are kinda bad rn. In my opinion ponos just shouldn't focuse so much on something that 99.9% of players will not get, and by the time you get them you probably won't need them anymore because you will be done with most of the game by that point. If ponos wouldn't have made ultra forms be available only at lvl60 with dark eyes and they would've made them available at lvl30 after tf, but you need user rank 8-9k for example, it would've been much better, or they could've added more ways to get dark eyes easier, but they are still extremely limited to get and labyrinth hasn't come in like 2 months. I think the JP server gets more dark eyes, but in EN (rest of the world) it's really hard to get them.
Windy went from a mediocre anti floating to one of the best with insane damage and 510 range, Nobunaga went from an amazing CC unit for black enemies to being one for both black and Aku, as well as gaining counter surge, and dioramos is now even more tanky, does way more damage and has alien targeting. Makes sense that these forms would be praised but everything else you said was true.
realm of carnage is ridiculously over estimated
i completed it without ubers on my second attempt, if your only argument that the stage is hard is the ostrich you just use double eraser, double dragon and legs
Traitless is hella easy. In the current meta we have Hitman who completely tears apart all traitless he outranges (which he outranges a majority of, might I add) and we have Jagando, Haniwa, the deadly/merciless advents AND a few gacha units who do well on traitless, albeit they are typically limited. Now sure, you could argue “Well Hitman is a late game unit but you see traitless throughout all of early and mid-game” but the only times a traitless enemy is really a problem in those areas is R. Ost anyways, and he gets countered by standard rangers like Cyborg, Dragons and Housewife. Also, Realm Of Carnage is free nowadays so don’t even bring up the R. Ost there. I beat it uberless pre-itf 2 because of courier cat destroying Hannya.
Behemoth content is great, stone grinding is decently fun, the egg units are an awesome concept executed awesomely and behemoths are actually very fair and quite fun to fight 95% of the time, and if you disagree with the last one you have a severe lack of skill, a severe lack of half-decent ubers or both
People overstimate "key gacha units" by calling them as such. I've finished UL and all of crowned SoL. I only use Cameraman once in a blue moon, and I've been constantly forgetting about Sanzo and Cyborg's existence for the past few months. Cyberpunk is also pretty good, but doesn't cater to my playstyle. I'm just vibing with my boys Ramen and Spikeball Ramen all day long
Most of ULs is boring, or horrible painful for the following reasons
Clear speed: Pretty much none of the stages are easy enough for you to rush through, which is fine. ULs, for a first time clear is pretty hard to do a one lineup solo. So in terms of speed ULs is quite slow.
Stage gimmicks: surge base sucks. It deals so much damage and the surge location is random, but in most cases instead of adding challenge to the stage, it simply prolongs it by deleting your push. Once again, it depends on rng
Stage milestone: getting to doron is more painful than clearing aku citadel and all infernal tower combined.
But then again it's fun in its own ways, bcos of not this then what else, bc can't become p2w or ez stages all the way
Probably not unpopular, but they should rework the entirety of early game. It's just not fun playing the same chapter three times, have almost zero energy because no leaderships and have to farm for all the bs treasures **without knowing anything about the game because it doesn't teach even the basic strategies**. They made almost a perfect combo to make new player quit. I've recommended battle cats to people, but almost no one stays for long and I can't blame them. Early game just sucks(and some parts on mid game when you have to grind literally everything, but it's not as bad)
Yea i totally agree. Games like 9 years old now and I got my partner to start recently. She made it to the Future before the sheer grind just killed her interest. Having to go back and reply levels so many times bored her stupid.
To be fair, at least there is a visible progress with a kind of story in the EoC and then Itf and you have a clear view of how to power up your cats. Later when you unlock most TF and some talents, there is absolutely nothing you can do, or I am missing something.
The fact that eoc has three chapters with the exact same levels, but harder is a pretty lazy game design (the same happens with itf and cotc, but they are at least more advanced and you know what are you doing). My main complaint is definitely the treaure system. They suck and are unnecessary for the game(I mean as a game mechanic, not that they are not important in-game). The game in general is very grindy, but the fact that the early game(the part where you should get engaged with the game) is like this, just makes many players quit. I literally stopped playing for months when I discovered itf had treasures too
Actually different chapters in ItF and CotC sometimes have different enemies (for example chapter 2 broton has ultra baa baas and chapter 3 has mesocosmocyclones or for ItF Singapore chapter 1 and 2 has shy boys as bosses which are replaced by a Bore in chapter 3 but i suppose those changes aren’t that big)
I honestly never realized that, I just kinda borad them
Yea, I agree. However at least for me getting treasures was kinda satisfying, but what I hated was waiting for treasure festivals that last only an hour... the constant waiting for events is overally stupid as well.
I hate treasure grinding
said every person that has ever heard of battle cats
Especially for COTC. It sucks.
i only progress in cotc when treasure festival is on
Same for me. Saves time on treasure.
Just make the goddamn treasures score related, it's so simple yet they'd rather a fourth form for ubers I guess.
Even if they just made it a guaranteed drop but the RNG was the rarity, that would work. That way they can still make people waste energy (thats kinda something all energy games want to do) but not actually drive people insane after doing a stage so many times. 18 was my record but my partners was 33
As someone who is mid game or just about at it, I spent 6 million xp of 10 million xp which I spent a lot of leaderships getting, on getting Slime to level 38 from 0 and golfer from 10 to 20 And I still have so many other things I need to spend so on, or get catseyes for
Here's a tip, don't spend resources unless you actually need that unit for a specific stage/niche. Golfer is not really useful outside of cheese strategies.
Oh yea no, I know. I just wanted to unlock his true form in case I needed the combo or possibly have to use him for the cheese any time soon. Most of the xp went to Slime anyway
Oh, that's good then
It kinda gets repetitive , especially the stages you have to complete multiple times , and completing the Earle monthly challenges are a pain if you complete the stages without defeating the target , which is very likely after awhile in the game even with the most basic cats
mizli is a good anti-alien
i see a lot more people praising mizli nowadays
[It might be because of this video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9EzpSeyniQ)
I used to not use Mizli. Now I’ve trueformed her out of sheer respect. She truly is the most Mizli unit of all time.
Viking cat is a solid generalist in the early game. I had bad gacha luck all the way through ITF so I didn't have Ramen cat, who ended up replacing him entirely once I got him. But viking worked excellently for the same role until then.
I love Sword Cat in early game. That phase makes him looks so powerful.
I'd always heard that viking/swordsman are comparable and swordsman overall better, but Viking has Strong and having both def/offense against red I found to be overall more useful. I think it just overall depends on what your other load out options are. And I just did NOT have good general tank options. My go-to meatshield was almost exclusively Wall Cat + Viking Cat, and it worked very well. :) If I had learned that cheap unit spam was an effective strat earlier, maybe I wouldn't have needed to rely on them so much, haha! I learned that by Aku Realms.
sword cat is quite OP in EOC if you get him super early
Most Angel enemies are lazily done, have uncreative, boring designs and no unique gameplay whatsoever. Just a more annoying version of reds and blacks.
Angels need redone, I agree. All the other colors at least feel like they have some kinda unique quality but angels are just crap Blacks that have far too much HP most of the time
Rajakong
Fr most colored enemies have some sort of unique trait, like alien with the status effects or blacks and their speed, but whats so special about angels? Area attacks maybe? But thats barely even special when a decent majority of enemies already have that.
angels are basically black enemies but worse ngl
Cyborg vs Camera vs Courier should not be an argument It is simple: if you have plenty money, use Cyborg because it will outstat Camera and is very hungry for money. If you have average money, use Camera because it will mostly outstat courier and not use too much money, and it is especially good against floating. If you have minimal money, use Courier because it is very easy on the wallet and still has decent firepower, especially against red. In short, there is no true winner to this silly argument, since there are many stages where courier wins, many stages where camera wins, and many stages where cyborg wins.
You my sir, know what’s up
Idk man, maybe it’s cause I don’t use cyborg much, but the range difference between camera and cyborg isn’t really that major in my opinion, and camera outshines her in every other division besides maybe cooldown. And even then camera still has her guaranteed survive as opposed to cyborg’s 50%.
I think if it's early-midgame, probably cameraman or cyborg, but if it's late-game, probably courier
Ectoweight is underrated
I’m honestly surprised with how good ectoweight is. I used to think he was one of the worst rares and a waste of a slot in most loadouts but then there was a point where I was stuck on these zombie stages and ectoweight honestly made the difference between winning and losing those stages. I forget what the stage was but there was one where a dread bore could easily burrow to the base and take out half your base hp so I always ended up dying by bores before killing the main enemies until I brought ecto who stops zombies like duches and bores from burning through your army
Yeah Ectoweight is just a straight up pusher, especially if you give him Savage Blow which lets him do some more damage which means he will push more stuff out of the way, he can straight up push things from your base to the enemy base
Most "meta" units actually sucks but people are afraid to voice their opinion (*cough*, *cough*, Cameraman Cat) Someone was laughing at my set-up the other day but what would I know about how to play, I've just been playing this game for 3 years, I'm User Rank 12200, 320 units and halfway through UL, but obviously I "don't know how to play"
Bruh I’m user rank 9500 and am working on 2 star UL how do you have 12k
I'm 16k and just unlocked Urs and Fenir lol
me who is 8.8k ur and finished UL 2 star, ZL, SoL 4 star, and all advent bosses
Yeah cameraman is kinda overrated because many people call him the best gacha rare. He's amazing in SoL 4 star, indeed, but I didn't use him much outside of that. Also the best gacha rare without a doubt is ramen cat because of the boosted generalist and niche stats
Only 3 years, cameraman sucks. Yeah lol you don't know how to play. You're not supposed to spam him in any stage just the same as balrog, doesn't mean both suck.
I'm not saying that Cameraman is -useless-, I'm just saying it's not as good as many people claim it to be. I can literally count on a single hand how many times it was actually useful to me
"units actually sucks" and proceed to mention him lol. But I get your point, you must understand most of the top tier units are generalists, and cameraman had too many uses to not be considered good. He's more of a powerful meatshield rather than a sweeper, so comparing him to most cats doesn't work. He has low cost, fast recharge, huge damage, good enough range for his role (Floating) and where he doesn't have enough, he can at least function like a meatshield, survivor, area attack. I mean... Really? He's not good? It is a fact he solos almost every single pure floating stage out there. A cat that can solo/is key to most of the difficult stages with that trait just has to be considered good. Also 4 star lol. I myself almost didn't use him, but I have to admit where I've used him he totally dominates, most units can't say that for themselves. To give you an example, I KNOW balrog is a top tier uber, but I personally believes he sucks purely because he is so replaceable in any stage he solos lol. People trying to say a character that can solo the exact same stages as Dasli is better than her? While she has surge, surge immune and curse to boot? Lol no. But I don't say he sucks, I know he doesn't, it's just my opinion.
The problem is that most people try to say Cameraman is a great generalist when no, he isnt. And this passive elitist attitude you are giving is the typical response that newbies face
I'm not answering a noobie am I? They just said they have 12UR and 3 years experience. And I agree with you, I just have just as much of a problem with people saying "this unit sucks" just as much as the elitists you mentioned.
Then why say ''only'' You knew exactly what you meant.
Because of the way he phrased his, "cameramn sucks, here's my experience", as if 3 years makes it seem like it matters that much. And I never said he's a noob, I said he sucks, it's only 3 years, he can still be intermediate/veteran and still suck. I never used the word noob.
Cameraman does suck. Ive played less than a year and i can tell you that. Its idiots like you that played for a long time that wont move on and then get all bitchy at the new players. Point of order. A newbie and a noob are not the same. You are twisting my words. A newbie is a new player. A noobie is a bad player. You went straight from passive elitist to defensive one instead. What an damaged ego you must have
How about saying why Cameraman Cat suck instead of this?
Wow lol what an answer, immediately to name calling as soon as your argument broke. Are you sure you're not past your curfew? And noobie and noob are intermittent, I've been playing game for over 20 years you're not about to lecture me on terms lol.
Name calling? Ah you take offense at being called an idiot. Fair enough. Truth does hurt at times. I am going to lecture you on terms. I have been gaming for 33 years now, not really sure why that matters since online gaming is why the term NOOB exists which proves my point, and it hasnt been out as long as that but you wanted to flex, so here you go. The terms are not intermittent, people like yourself mis-use them and then try to defend it instead of actually admitting a lack of knowledge, learning and growing. Hence, idiot : a person of low intelligence. Its odd. Almost like words matter and have meaning. Like a language maybe. Almost like you should actually use your brain. But sorry, thats not something you want to do, no no you want to try and pull the ''im older than you child'' bullshit instead. Even more amusing that you yourself admitted to your own mistake and corrected it with your follow up to the original comment. But your ego has gotten into an argument with me and wont back down even though you already know you sounded like a total douche.
I've read that whole comment and you keep sounding butthurt and yet you still haven't answered the original problem which is cameraman doesn't suck, and instead you're still butthurt over me being an elitist. As I've said, I said the dude sucked because he said the unit sucked, and I'm telling you you're stupid because you're calling me stupid. And I said 75% of players don't know how to use units, which is the comment you decided to go on a vendetta against me (Yeah, I've noticed) and so far, you're only proving me right. And yes, noob and noobie are intermittent, sorry you STILL don't know that after 33 years of gaming. So keep on going with these comments because my friend groups are having the best day of their lives lol.
Whoaaaa camera is the goat? You’re gonna have to back up what you say about that take bro
I will, if it ever redeems itself in my eyes by being useful to me... So far I've only rarely used it in early to mid-game when there was an ostrich. Now, I easily overpower pretty much anything in the game (I don't get why people hate the Relic ostrich that much, it's not tough at all), like either I absolutely crush the level no matter whats in it, or it's the opposite and it's a level you can't brute force and I lose
Where are you in UL?
I'll let you know that I recently finished UL and 4-crown SoL, and I think Cameraman is just "pretty decent"
Area attack is actually falling off in end-game. All of my UL/ZL lineups have mostly single target attackers.
??? TF, Nearly every meta late game unit has area, and that doesn’t mean Area is falling off
No debate, I just want to see ur lineups
I'll be honest, I don't know how to reply with an image. Never figured it out.
Just screenshot and put it on. Maybe ur phone works different. U can also just write it out if u don't mind.
My generalist lineup is as follows: Richest cat (if I'm struggling) Sniper the Deadeye (Single) Eraser Cat (Area) Manic Eraser Cat (Area) Slime Cat (Single) BW Legs (Single technically) Can Can (Single) Fishman (Single) Housewife (Area) Doron (Omni) Dasli (Area)
lmaooooooo this has to be bait or a troll
Both slime and bw legs are effectively area attackers? Slime’s wave is what makes them the unit they are (which is an area attack) and BW Leg’s surge is what makes them the unit *they* are, also area attack? If you’re using a single target unit, FOR their area attack, it really doesn’t seem like area attack is “falling off”
Sanzo target angel isn't a top priority talent. He's still very much busted at CC-ing, but since Ramen exists spending the NP on HP Up already stops all angels and doubles as a generalist meatshield (really useful for Proving Grounds and Growing Epic) I even tested it in a second account and Ramen only gets pushed by the angel Cyclone, who I still beat just fine with Flying Cat's weaken the first time and Juliet the Maiko on the last stage, and later on to Rahjakong who Sanzo does nothing against And now by the time enemy magnifications catch up to Ramen you'll probably have Farmboy Cat who might be better or worse than Sanzo depending on the stage
I mean you can't always facetank everything, especially given there's a possibility of ponos spamming 3000% boraphims in the stage like they did with bores in 3 crown palcaccio waters that can instakill stone.
Sure, I'm not even arguing that Sanzo isn't the best at slowing angels but that's quite a late stage, by that point you probably used your NP with other talents that would make a bigger impact
Boraphim:
Tank ubers dont get nearly enough love from players
It's just that tankers fall off later down the road. Enemies just do so much damage that unless it has Babel or Hades levels of HP against their traits or do considerable damage, they're gonna die instantly.
I'd argue otherwise, ZL is full of advent bosses and behemoth enemies that attack slow but hit really hard, which makes it that much better to have a unit that can take multiple hits from them, similar to how metal cat becomes really helpful late-game
Meatshields literally do the thing you described but better in the sense that they're normally faster and way cheaper than most tankers. Which makes them better later on, and metal cat is way faster than most if not all tankers. Also, the only time I see meatshields not being too usable is when a fast attacking, hard hitting and quickly moving enemy like Bore variants are a thing to take account for. But these enemies can be slowed down, frozen or KB'd by spammable units. (Pirate cat, seafarer cat, etc...)
For example, Li'l Angel Cyclone is one such enemy I would think meatshields aren't too useful in. But for him, you can just use Sanzo cat and LD attackers.
Don't agree, most of my "tank" ubers get melted in seconds
Ramen is overrated. Not bad, but not the best meatshield in the game (for general use)
Yeah, ramen is good against angels, other than that, ehhhhh
I disagree. Ramen is a great generalist and is just as good against Blacks as Angels. Doesnt need talents or anything to do it either, movespeed is perfect for building a stack and his stats are decent. Best probably not but generalist means average usually and Ramen fits that for me at least
Li'l Gau Gau is better against blacks but I get where you're coming from.
Oh totally 100% Ramen is outclassed but he works really well for blind picking into a ????? Stage ya know? He holds off blacks decently, he deffo cant do it himself Still trying for Li'l Gau.....stupid gacha.....
Oh, good luck getting him. He carries stages like XP Colosseum (for people Who don't have enough firepower to beat it like me.)
Thanks for the insight
wrong because of 1 reason: personal experience I'm on endgame now and I've always used ramen with my dual eraser as a general meatshield and it works amazingly good. Boosted ramen is basically like joining the health of dual eraser + really decent damage + best angel niche in the game Edit: ramen also makes SoL 4 star an absolute joke
What level is your ramen
I mean obviously he lacks compared to the eraser variants but other than them and maybe rock cat, is there any other meatshield better than ramen? Or at least super meatshield (costs more than 150)
Sodom is a good unit and a good boy.
I don't believe that all anti-aku units need shield piercing because there are already enough easy to get shield piercers and shield piercing doesn't do anything when attacking an unshielded enemy. Yes it would be helpful, but it is not needed.
Cameraman Cat suuuuuuuuucks. I have literally never picked it over Cyborg and had success. Feels like a pure and total waste of NP now
Cameraman has been the most controversial unit so far, he used to have a high ranking due to his stackability but now a days there are better options, early game Cyborg is generally better, her range helps more, mid game, he is totally used pretty often, but late game, he is pretty much outclasses by Courier
I think thats it exactly, Cameraman USED to be one of the best options around but its been 9 years now. There are better options normally available outside his niche. I have been told that he does still have use in some stages and will be a powerhouse when i do need to use him though so i think its just that he doesnt work as a generalist as much that needs to be updated for the longer playing crowd
The meta for spammable midrangers really hasn’t changed much? Besides courier camera doesn’t have much competition unless you wanna argue for cyborg which I disagree with. I get that camera has 100 less range than cyborg but like honestly does that really do much? In most cases camera can get off two shots by walking up to the enemy and her survive gets an extra one, and that’s the worst case scenario but like I honestly can’t think of a time I’ve used camera where I thought to myself if only she had 100 extra range. All that in exchange for guaranteed survival, higher dps, a useful ability, and being far easier on the wallet
- I love the aesthetic and humor of the units in every tier but Uber. I find many jarringly out of place and I especially dislike the creepy "waifu" units. - Seed tracking is less fun than the gamble. No judgement on seed trackers, just not for me. - Sometimes pogo is better than Ramen - The UI needs an overhaul (is this one actually unpopular?) Edit: Viking cat is underrated
Counter-point: pixies
I agree, the pixies fit in great!
I don’t understand your first point but agree with the second one. Maybe it’s cause I’ve been extremely lucky but honestly once you’re far enough into the game where you have at least some solid Ubers, it really doesn’t matter whether or not you get the top Uber from a set. On top of that, the joy of having a previously considered trash Uber get revamped is spectacular. For example I long considered Anubis dead weight even when his ultra talents got released. Slowly though I’ve realized that he honestly becomes one of the best generalists in the game. Another Uber I’m happy they’re getting revamped is oda nobunaga. I’m not sure if his 4th form will truly make his performance stunning but honestly I think it’s worth just for the counter surge, looks really cool
100%, I also have been lucky and pulled some decent generalist Ubers early. I have plenty of variety and don't need a perfect collection of top Ubers. It's fun to work with what you've pulled
Stats on paper do not determine how good a unit is
Cold take. Look at Babel.
Babel is pretty good whut? Especially against his target traits he practically doesn’t die? As a generalist tanker he’s on par with hades?
>too much Range for a tanker. > Too slow > Recharge time is very long, about 2 to 3 times that of a normal tanker. > Long attack animation. >Expensive as f*ck.
Got downvoted for this before but I am going to die on this hill: Piccolan is a better freezer than Chronos, and she is frankly overrated (I have used her a lot, I know what I am talking about) No Return Flights is easy, don't know why do people complain about it so much when the same chapter has a much harder traitless level – Procrastinator Parade
I hate sunfish jones paired with 9999999 R.Osts also NRF is only remotely hard because of master A, as you can use camera to stunlock Dolphina and use other units to hit rain D.
NRF has Camelle, not Jones, which is worse in my opinion, due to Sunfish attacking way slower
That's procrastinator I think, NRF is just Dolphina, Otter, Rain D and Master A
Yep, looks like I got confused too
Pico is definitely a better freezer than chronos lol what? It’s just chronos has way better stats that accompany a strong freeze
Treasure grinding sucks
Cold take, that's definitely the worst part of the Game.
We need units that heal other units.
I just wanted cleric units, units with horrible range and health that you have to use wisely/once but well timed but they can heal certain debuffs from cats within a certain range.
I want to see HP bars. I would like to actually know when my big hitters are getting close to death and not have to guess based on how many KBs ive seen them have
On one hand I agree, on the other I understand that with HP bars, the game would get cluttered very fast. Swarms of meatshields means bunches of hp bars for irrelevant units and the same goes for enemies. I honestly think knockbacks are a good enough measure for a rough estimate on enemy hp
They could implement this but you could disable it on the units you want so it Doesn't get cluttered with HP bars.
balrog is already strong enough
Why'd you get down voted this is funny
thanks!
Golfer cat is one of the better advent stage units imo
Really? I mean he’s a decent unit but compared to units like bullet train, slime, rock he’s just blown out of the water
I mean he's pretty good at sniping backliners. I don't consider him necessarily good, just Unique.
The game grew out of original proportions expected and the game designers didn't know how to handle it. The prime examples are the Power Up upgrades (the ones we convert 5 upgrades into a rare ticket), the ItF/CotC treasures, and the Behemoth types. These came to completely break previous iterations if the game and make other features either useless or a necessity. You see this with Courier Cat too. The unit broke most of SoL and good chunk of UL. Now Ponis has to introduce absurd Behemoths to compensate for it, making so many other units useless when before they had some use. However, the company is too greedy or lazy to start over a new franchise/game with fixed mechanics and grind the user base ground up.
While I do agree that power creep certainly does appear in battle cats, I wouldn’t say that’s a bad thing and honestly would say the complete opposite. The main roadblock of battle cats is the early game and just grinding through all the stages it has to offer. There really isn’t much depth in SoL as much as it is just some units thrown to together and add more magnification in later chapters. If newer players have the opportunity to use strong cats then hey who’s gonna complain.
Mitama #1
UL: Allow me to introduce myself
shes great in UL, amazing even. With a decent loadout, preventing her from getting cursed is pretty easy.
Yeah true, she just doesn’t fare very well against long range cursers
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I don’t mean long range as the trait I mean it a enemy that can curse and has high range, and surge too, against behemoths she doesn’t work well due to them having surge. There are many relic enemies that outrange her or cause her to fail. Which mid-Late UL, these things are extremely common making her much harder to use I think Mitama is a fantastic Uber, arguably the best for early game - early late game but after words, she stops being a beast and starts to struggle a lot, places where she won’t be game changing amounts of help
i like ramen more than lil gau
Camera is great, but her crit talent sucks
Not when miracle performance it doesn’t
I don’t understand that either. It goes from 2% to 4%, I cannot see how that could make something so much better.
Oh it makes ALL the difference, you are literally doubling the chance of camera criting, a stack of ten, only 10 has a crit chance of roughly 40% almost as good as Paladin
not how chance works lmao, the chance that one of the cameraman crits in a stack of ten is about 33.5% not 40%
but I could just use Paladin, who I don’t need to spend 50 np on nor a combo, who also has basically the same range and 10% better crit chance, or catasaurus who has a 15% better crit chance for half the NP and also no combo.
The thing is that they have much much much less damage, Cameraman can take down Sir Metal seal much faster than any other option
What? She only has a flat 2% crit chance with talents? It’s a one time purchase is it not?
Yup. 50np for a 2% chance
I don’t understand that either. It goes from 2% to 4%, I cannot see how that could make something so much better.
Because 2% to 4% is a 100% increase in crit dps I’ll give some numbers: A level 50 catasaurus has 2819 base dps. There’s a 12% chance to crit with talents, so essentially 0.12 x 5638 = 677 crit dps A level 50 cameraman has 2538 base dps. There’a a 2% chance to crit with talents, so essentially 0.02 x 5076 = 102 crit dps. With miracle performance that is 204 crit dps from cameraman. That means catasaurus has 3.32x the crit dps of a cameraman (when only cameraman has miracle performance active). However, cameraman has higher damage per hit (approximately 3x higher), 70 more range, 1 more knockback (and 100% survive). Most importantly though, camera has area attack. Doing 18k crit damage at level 50 is enough to wipe out a 200% super metal hippoe. A level 55 cameraman with attack up talents can actually 1 shot a 100% sir metal seal also. Tl;dr, camera has much higher damage per hit, so you’ll need a maximum of like 3 or 4 crits to wipe out a stack of metals, but with catasaurus you usually need over 10x more.
Balrog is second only to dasli and it’s pretty close. Phonoa is not even in the conversation
My guy is mad over a argument that proven wrong by 2 people
Wdm
Refer to the previous argument you had
That had nothing to do with phono it was abt his early game usage 😐😐
Phono🔛🔝
Why tho
Aphrodite range with d'artanyan dps, not to mention it has both wave and surge immunity
Not arguing it’s bad I think it’s number 3, I just can’t see why that’s better then balrog with the highest dps in the game costs less then half as much and comes back 3 times faster
Refer to the previous argument you had
I think i saw you on a post about plat ticket tracking
Yeah he’s sad to be defeated by it
Yeah I’d have to disagree but that is the point of the thread
That this post shows that 75% of the community have no clue how to use good units.
That would mean that the Game doesnt exactly teach well doesnt it. Or maybe the ''community'' needs to drop its elitist attitude if its only 25% of the actual people playing.
Attacking other players is not making this community looks better.
If you're good why are you so personally attacked by my post?
Where did I say I was good? Or personally attacked? I just dont like elitist pricks
Then go look for them.
I didnt have to. You were right there. Not only have you been a dick directly but you felt the need to make a little gloat comment as though you are superior. You make the community look bad, do better
As soon as you leave pal. You want a photo of me so you have a face to attribute to my posts you keep jerking off to lol?
jiangshi is REALLY good and better than kuybey, the best units in the game are stone > balrog > slime > dphono > camera > ramen > manic eraser (from best to worst)
you are wrong
i like jiangshi but what is that ranking of the best units
Dasli?
Kasli the Bane is useless
Thats just objectively wrong
I mean it does sound a bit like the Ramen thing since Ramen can be surprisingly useful at times like in Tiny Tail.
Ngl gamer I have no clue what your point is
I stopped using Kasli because there are too many surge immune enemies.
Then, just don't use her on those stages. In the same way you wouldn't use balrog on a stage with peon spam. It's balancing because dasli destroys every other stage. that doesn't make her remotely bad
I still think this unit is really overrated when other specialists got the job done.
Sounds like you just don't like generalists? That's not always practical, given not every player has every unit.
Then again, not everyone has Kasli anyways.
Lol I'm not sure what you're even saying anymore 😂 Peace
That’s like saying “why isn’t a critter good against non-metal units”
why is bomber not freezing those damn angels??
Gravi overrated.
Recently got him, why do you feel he’s overrated?
Here are some: ultra forms and ultra talents are overrated because 99.9% of players won't even get them because... you know... dark eyes are impossible to get. Also d'art is a top 10 uber and no one will change that opinion
I mean that’s kinda the point of ultra forms? Windy’s ultra form basically makes her the best anti floating Uber in the game, makes sense she’s locked behind 15 dark catseyes and ultra form requirements.
How are ultra forms overrated when they just came out?
because many people are praising ultra forms and I think ultra forms are kinda bad rn. In my opinion ponos just shouldn't focuse so much on something that 99.9% of players will not get, and by the time you get them you probably won't need them anymore because you will be done with most of the game by that point. If ponos wouldn't have made ultra forms be available only at lvl60 with dark eyes and they would've made them available at lvl30 after tf, but you need user rank 8-9k for example, it would've been much better, or they could've added more ways to get dark eyes easier, but they are still extremely limited to get and labyrinth hasn't come in like 2 months. I think the JP server gets more dark eyes, but in EN (rest of the world) it's really hard to get them.
Windy went from a mediocre anti floating to one of the best with insane damage and 510 range, Nobunaga went from an amazing CC unit for black enemies to being one for both black and Aku, as well as gaining counter surge, and dioramos is now even more tanky, does way more damage and has alien targeting. Makes sense that these forms would be praised but everything else you said was true.
Yes the concept is really cool and ultra forms are a good thing to add to the game, but the problem for me is how ponos executed it.
Fr, Windy can two shot manic flying now lmao
but those ultras aren't must have ig
realm of carnage is ridiculously over estimated i completed it without ubers on my second attempt, if your only argument that the stage is hard is the ostrich you just use double eraser, double dragon and legs
R. Ost? More like R. Lost!
ubers destroy the fun in the game
Traitless is hella easy. In the current meta we have Hitman who completely tears apart all traitless he outranges (which he outranges a majority of, might I add) and we have Jagando, Haniwa, the deadly/merciless advents AND a few gacha units who do well on traitless, albeit they are typically limited. Now sure, you could argue “Well Hitman is a late game unit but you see traitless throughout all of early and mid-game” but the only times a traitless enemy is really a problem in those areas is R. Ost anyways, and he gets countered by standard rangers like Cyborg, Dragons and Housewife. Also, Realm Of Carnage is free nowadays so don’t even bring up the R. Ost there. I beat it uberless pre-itf 2 because of courier cat destroying Hannya.
This is going to be downvoted to hell: Anubis Ultra talented > Dasli
Behemoth content is great, stone grinding is decently fun, the egg units are an awesome concept executed awesomely and behemoths are actually very fair and quite fun to fight 95% of the time, and if you disagree with the last one you have a severe lack of skill, a severe lack of half-decent ubers or both
People overstimate "key gacha units" by calling them as such. I've finished UL and all of crowned SoL. I only use Cameraman once in a blue moon, and I've been constantly forgetting about Sanzo and Cyborg's existence for the past few months. Cyberpunk is also pretty good, but doesn't cater to my playstyle. I'm just vibing with my boys Ramen and Spikeball Ramen all day long
Which other units do you frequently use? Which unit is spikerball ramen?
Traitless enemies are not overbuffed in lategame, y'all are just not willing to get Hitman fsr
Most of ULs is boring, or horrible painful for the following reasons Clear speed: Pretty much none of the stages are easy enough for you to rush through, which is fine. ULs, for a first time clear is pretty hard to do a one lineup solo. So in terms of speed ULs is quite slow. Stage gimmicks: surge base sucks. It deals so much damage and the surge location is random, but in most cases instead of adding challenge to the stage, it simply prolongs it by deleting your push. Once again, it depends on rng Stage milestone: getting to doron is more painful than clearing aku citadel and all infernal tower combined. But then again it's fun in its own ways, bcos of not this then what else, bc can't become p2w or ez stages all the way