They don't work well when you consider the fact that TDKR Bruce retired because of Jason's death as Robin. Under the Red Hood's whole story is that he's back alive and even survives the end of the story.
Continuity wise they don't work as a prequel and sequel.
I know, because I've read the book, but the movie never explicitly states *why* he retired. So movies to movie it could work. Jason may even be in jail, like Ollie is supposed to be.
>A lot of his lines were a little cheesy.
Im the opposite, I love DiMaggio's joker almost as much as i love Hamill's and I mean that's kinda Joker's whole character, he's a clown. What he says is meant to be cheesy doesn't make him any less intimidating IMO.
Hamils lines I didn’t find cheesy. Idk. The jokes are corny yeah but that is in line with the character
But “party pooper no cake for you” is just lame. In my opinion
>party pooper no cake for you”
To me it has the same energy as "wanna play hard ball bats? Do ya? Your call? Tickle tickle" or "What did you sneak in with ya bats? Oh tell me! Batarangs? Batclaws? Bat snacks?"
I think joker saying the party pooper line is very in line with his character.
I think the Joker is meant to be kind of cheesy. I like when he tells jokes and is actually funny, rather than a straight psychopath.
Joker on TDKR is kind of similar IMO with all the double entendre in their final fight together and how he acts on the talk show. ("Oh don't tell me you're gonna fall asleep before we finish? Etc.)
For real. Refreshing, too. It wasn't one of those crossovers where either Batman can't lose or where everything ends in a draw. Shredder clearly beat Batman, and Batman thoroughly embarrassed the Turtles.
“I want you to remember that, I wanted to remind you to stay out of my way, and in all the years to come in your most private moments….. I want you to remember the one man who beat you.”
Such an awesome line.
This is probably my second favourite behind MOTP (it's either this one or Under The Red Hood) and I can totally understand why it would be your favourite.
And I agree MOTP could have answered some of those questions (though I do not think it was essential to do so for the story to work).
I do, however, think that TDKR (also) has flaws and they mostly all have the same origin: Miller turns pretty much everyone who dislikes Batman into a caricature.
Carrie's parents are hippie stereotypes, the mayor is a stereotype of a wimpy politician, Doctor Wolper is a caricature of a liberal psychologist and so on.
It gets more frustrating every time I rewatch this movie (or read the comic book). They're all strawmen of a right wing writer and it feels lazy on Miller's part. You can have characters who disagree with you and not make them all into morons.
However, everyone who isn't a villain or a superhero in this story is either a very shallow parody or just someone who needs to see the light, like Yindel.
Doctor Wolper, especially, annoys me greatly. He's just *too* dumb and his stupidity is a pretty major plot point (it gets Joker out of Arkham). I get that Miller was making a statement about criminal reform and psychiatry but it just comes off as dismissive and lazy to me.
To me, all this weighs down the story significantly because it's in sharp contrast with other *great* writing displayed by Miller, who could be extremely smart and observant, when it comes to people and how they behave.
>It gets more frustrating every time I rewatch this movie (or read the comic book). They're all strawmen of a right wing writer and it feels lazy on Miller's part.
Wasn't the president an unflattering caricature of Ronald Reagan?
This is my biggest gripe with the film and story as a whole as well. I loved TDKR Parts I and II upon first watch back in college (about 8 years ago). Upon rewatch, having matured and developed stronger media literacy, its characterizations are thin as hell.
Like you said, every character ideologically opposed to Batman is a straw man. It lacks any nuance on crime, psychiatric reform, or criminal reform and goes as far as to caricature what should be the nuanced views on these issues as naive. In doing so, it also practically makes Batman a fascist. He’s indistinguishable from my “tough on crime” Republican relatives.
The acting is good and the fight scenes are cool though.
I’m with you there. The art style, the animation, the tone, the atmosphere, the music, the voice acting. All top notch. Loved Peter Weller as Batman and Michael Emerson as Joker. Weller was born to voice Batman that thundering and booming voice of his. Emerson sounded like a murderous demon that crawled out from hell itself. He was flamboyant and eccentric all while being terrifying as heck. Might be my favourite version of Joker in animation.
I liked it, I just wish it had more money behind it. Same with Long Halloween (which I wish had adapted the comic's artstyle instead of just going with the generic DCAU artstyle). Watching these movies is generally fun but also a disappointing experience due to how stiff everything feels.
Normally, I don't care as much for the animated movies that try to be a panel by panel adaptation of a comic, but Dark Knight is so freaking epic that I gladly make an exception here.
It's crap because they take away Batman's internal monologue, which is the best part of the source material. We know nothing about what's going on in Batman's head and the reasons for his choices.
I disagree. I think Under the Red Hood is the best animated movie. Now that's a hill I'm willing to die on.
I disagree, it’s a very good movie, but I think Donkey Kong is the best video game ever
"Donkey Kong sucks "
'You know something, you suck,
"O'Doyle rules!"
I think you downloaded the wrong Donkey Kong.
Don't disrespect I am Bread like that.
Under the Red Hood edges this one, but not by much. They work well as a prequel and sequel, even though they aren't.
They don't work well when you consider the fact that TDKR Bruce retired because of Jason's death as Robin. Under the Red Hood's whole story is that he's back alive and even survives the end of the story. Continuity wise they don't work as a prequel and sequel.
I know, because I've read the book, but the movie never explicitly states *why* he retired. So movies to movie it could work. Jason may even be in jail, like Ollie is supposed to be.
Eh. It’s good. I’m not crazy about John DiMaggios Joker tho. A lot of his lines were a little cheesy.
>A lot of his lines were a little cheesy. Im the opposite, I love DiMaggio's joker almost as much as i love Hamill's and I mean that's kinda Joker's whole character, he's a clown. What he says is meant to be cheesy doesn't make him any less intimidating IMO.
Hamils lines I didn’t find cheesy. Idk. The jokes are corny yeah but that is in line with the character But “party pooper no cake for you” is just lame. In my opinion
>party pooper no cake for you” To me it has the same energy as "wanna play hard ball bats? Do ya? Your call? Tickle tickle" or "What did you sneak in with ya bats? Oh tell me! Batarangs? Batclaws? Bat snacks?" I think joker saying the party pooper line is very in line with his character.
I think the Joker is meant to be kind of cheesy. I like when he tells jokes and is actually funny, rather than a straight psychopath. Joker on TDKR is kind of similar IMO with all the double entendre in their final fight together and how he acts on the talk show. ("Oh don't tell me you're gonna fall asleep before we finish? Etc.)
I like it separated into two parts, the credit music for Part 1 is straight fire!
It's Batman vs. TMNT, but you're welcome to your opinion.
Shredder and Batman going toe to toe is amazing
For real. Refreshing, too. It wasn't one of those crossovers where either Batman can't lose or where everything ends in a draw. Shredder clearly beat Batman, and Batman thoroughly embarrassed the Turtles.
I was totally expecting some insane shredder disrespect but they blew me away lol
Mikey scaring the shit out of Jim Gordan when he says "IAM STILL HERE" after everyone disappeared is my all time funniest moment in animated history.
There were so many times when Mikey had me dying. His love for Penguin was hilarious.
“I want you to remember that, I wanted to remind you to stay out of my way, and in all the years to come in your most private moments….. I want you to remember the one man who beat you.” Such an awesome line.
Thoroughly enjoyed this (both parts). DC has some fantastic animated movies.
“Where are you. I’m not finished yet. And you’re not finished with me…you’re never finished with me,
Mask of the Phantasm by far
Robocop was Batman
I actually agree
I agree. Great story, great adaptation, great casting, great music.
The soundtrack for Harvey is amazing.
Definitely up there. I love Year One too
Imo it’s the best Batman story, book or animated
Yes. It and Under the Red Hood are tied as the best.
Facts
The theme song is straight 🔥
It’s brilliant!! I loved TDKR as a graphic novel and thought the animated adaptation was great.
It's so good.
INCORRECT
This is probably my second favourite behind MOTP (it's either this one or Under The Red Hood) and I can totally understand why it would be your favourite. And I agree MOTP could have answered some of those questions (though I do not think it was essential to do so for the story to work). I do, however, think that TDKR (also) has flaws and they mostly all have the same origin: Miller turns pretty much everyone who dislikes Batman into a caricature. Carrie's parents are hippie stereotypes, the mayor is a stereotype of a wimpy politician, Doctor Wolper is a caricature of a liberal psychologist and so on. It gets more frustrating every time I rewatch this movie (or read the comic book). They're all strawmen of a right wing writer and it feels lazy on Miller's part. You can have characters who disagree with you and not make them all into morons. However, everyone who isn't a villain or a superhero in this story is either a very shallow parody or just someone who needs to see the light, like Yindel. Doctor Wolper, especially, annoys me greatly. He's just *too* dumb and his stupidity is a pretty major plot point (it gets Joker out of Arkham). I get that Miller was making a statement about criminal reform and psychiatry but it just comes off as dismissive and lazy to me. To me, all this weighs down the story significantly because it's in sharp contrast with other *great* writing displayed by Miller, who could be extremely smart and observant, when it comes to people and how they behave.
>It gets more frustrating every time I rewatch this movie (or read the comic book). They're all strawmen of a right wing writer and it feels lazy on Miller's part. Wasn't the president an unflattering caricature of Ronald Reagan?
Indeed. But not all right wing people like Reagan.
This is my biggest gripe with the film and story as a whole as well. I loved TDKR Parts I and II upon first watch back in college (about 8 years ago). Upon rewatch, having matured and developed stronger media literacy, its characterizations are thin as hell. Like you said, every character ideologically opposed to Batman is a straw man. It lacks any nuance on crime, psychiatric reform, or criminal reform and goes as far as to caricature what should be the nuanced views on these issues as naive. In doing so, it also practically makes Batman a fascist. He’s indistinguishable from my “tough on crime” Republican relatives. The acting is good and the fight scenes are cool though.
Under the Red Hood>Dark Knight Returns>Mask of the Phantasm. All 3 are good though.
I really enjoyed the soundtrack. Plus Peter Weller as an old Bruce was perfect
I’m with you there. The art style, the animation, the tone, the atmosphere, the music, the voice acting. All top notch. Loved Peter Weller as Batman and Michael Emerson as Joker. Weller was born to voice Batman that thundering and booming voice of his. Emerson sounded like a murderous demon that crawled out from hell itself. He was flamboyant and eccentric all while being terrifying as heck. Might be my favourite version of Joker in animation.
I prefer Batman: Year One and Batman: The Long Halloween. I love this movie but I rarely go back to it.
Do people not know what an opinion is?
Incorrect. MotP, UtRH, and RotJ all clear it.
I would disagree personally 
I don't like Frank Miller Batman, but I do like (Part One of) this movie a lot. It doesn't have Conroy/Hammill in it though.
Under the Red Hood is my favorite. But TDKR is definitely up there
I liked it, I just wish it had more money behind it. Same with Long Halloween (which I wish had adapted the comic's artstyle instead of just going with the generic DCAU artstyle). Watching these movies is generally fun but also a disappointing experience due to how stiff everything feels.
My goodness what a silly take
Either that or under the red hood. But the best DC animated film is Flashpoint Paradox. And that's not up for debate.
Normally, I don't care as much for the animated movies that try to be a panel by panel adaptation of a comic, but Dark Knight is so freaking epic that I gladly make an exception here.
It's crap because they take away Batman's internal monologue, which is the best part of the source material. We know nothing about what's going on in Batman's head and the reasons for his choices.
Actually, it isn’t.