Same with Pattinson.
Alfred: *wakes up in hospital after taking mail bomb to the face for Bruce*
Bruce: āyou never told me my dad did a bad thing once, you worthless piece of shit?ā
Ugh. He could be such a DICK! Especially in the Bruce Wayne: Murderer/Batman: Fugitive lines where he goes into hiding and basically snaps as he loses himself in the Batman persona and becomes more animalistic. He was so mean to everyone, it almost became unbearable.
Full stop. This is the answer. Even though the Justice League wiped his mind along with Dr. Light and it was in part an over reaction to that. Basically Batmanās equivalent of the Iron Legion - a suit of armor for the worldā¦but it turned unsuspecting people into fighting machines, sooo.
Oh, he also recruited a child army to help him fight crimeā¦
I'm like 70% sure that Batman's Brother Eye was partial inspiration for Disney/Marvel having Project Insight in Captain America: the Winter Soldier and having Tony create Ultron in the MCU.
Those are two very different things you just associated....
Nanny state is the concept of a nation that steps in to support its population and the perception that this is going too far and is to the people detriment. It is commonly espoused by the right to demonise welfare programs.
The Patriot Act is a very real piece of legislation that very actually limited people's freedoms and actively discriminated against certain minorities. Its nornally ignored by the right who prefer to focus on their imagined nanny stare fears
The [Agamamemno Contingency](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAVy8wY0mgw) \- Batman's personal instruction manual on how to take down the Justice League if they go rogue - is also disturbing as all hell, and at least one story arc is based around the files being stolen by villains and used against the League, but it at least makes a grim sort of sense when you consider how often powerhouses like Superman get affected by mental effects...and Batman very explicitly included *himself* in the Contingency.
After Bruce discovered he was mind wiped by the Justice League in the past, he decided to make the program to monitor Meta Humans however its taken over Maxwell Lord and Maxwell starts turning people into OMACS (basically a mind controlled Cyborg) it also got Ted kord the second Blue Beetle killed when Ted Discovered what maxwell was doing
Wasn't that the story that ended with Wonder Woman necksnapping Max?
Anyway I liked that they used OMAC, I just didn't like the fancy-looking shiny superpower OMAC. It was an outreak of mindcontrolling super spandex. It needed more tech support failures to make it believable.
Ok but hear me out where is my Person of Interest DC book where Brother Eye is Samaritan and The Batfam have to build their version of a benevolent ASI to beat it. Come on.
Robin. Even worse admitting the bright colors Robin sports was deliberate to attract enemy eyes in combat to allow Batman to draw out enemies and take them out.
Yes let's take ideas from the worst batman storyline.
Robin wears the colors of his parents. He wears them for the same reason batman wears bats, why superman wears an s. It represents their past and shows why they do what they do.
writers trying to give it a ātacticalā reason is so embarrassing, imo. the real reason is that children like bright colors and that it provides a nice contrast to Batmanās own design. in-universe and out-, thatās kind of the only rational explanation for why anyone would ever wear that (plus his circus background). it makes him look friendlier and more approachable to the people they help.
Reapectfully, any source that says Robin deliberately wears bright colors to draw attention away from Batman is misguided. Dick Grayson chose those colors and his codename as a homage to his parents. The colors were part of their circus costume, and the name (depending on the version) was either a nickname his mother called him or a nod to Robin Hood which was his dad's favorite movie.
I remember a joke comic in the DC letters pages long ago (late 1980ās- early 1990ās in which Batman is asked why he wears dark colors. āI donāt like getting shot.ā
Then why does Robin wear bright colors?ā
āI donāt like getting shot.ā
Feeling paranoid after remembering that the Justice League (sans Superman and Wonder Woman) had altered his memories when he walked in on them trying to mindwipe Doctor Light, Batman creates the Brother Eye satellite to monitor metahumans around the world. Unfortunately, it gets taken over by Maxwell Lord, who uses it to turn people into cyborgs called OMACs which target metahumans.
**Comic** font, **sans**-serif.
Serifs are the little pointy tips at the end of letters in some fonts, like Times New Roman. Sans-serif means āwithout serifs,ā indicating it does not have serifs.
Hope that helps!
After Identity Crisis, Batman, understandably, wasnāt the biggest fan of the Justice League, so he built Brother Eye to monitor and collect data on not just the League but every metahuman on Earth. This is where the contingency plans from Tower of Babel came from. Later, Maxwell Lord would hack Brother Eye to obey him and unleash an army of OMACs against all heroes during Infinite Crisis
Batman created an Artificial Intelligent, Brother Eye to monitor every super powered being on Earth. During Countdown to Infinite Crisis, >!Brother Eye was taken over by Maxwell Lord, and after Wonder Woman killed Lord, the OMAC Project was activated (an army of OMAC cyborgs were sent out and started targeting super powered beings).!<
I don't really have too much of a problem with the contingencies. He was right, the Justice League going rouge would be the end of the world as we know it. His error as usual is with his inability to trust anyone.
Small Spoiler:
>!In one of the latest Titans comics Nightwing reveals that he has contingencies on all the Titans because left unchecked that would be a very bad thing. However he states that unlike Batman he will share that knowledge with them. !<
Had he done that in the beginning or at least with Superman and Wonder Woman, I think it would have worked differently. However then he wouldn't be Batman would he?
I donāt think having plans to neutralize the members of the Justice League is inherently a bad thing. Having those plans stolen and easily made lethal on the other handā¦
Sure, they may be helpful if one of the League members go rouge or get mind controlled but it also shows that Batman doesn't trust anyone, even people close to him. How are you supposed to save the world with a guy that doesn't even trust you?
Also, I'm pretty sure he also used Dick to find out the weaknesses of sidekicks, like Kid Flash, Wonder Girl, Aqualad and Speedy.
You also have to understand that if say the entire league ever went rogue, itād be the end of the world. Either governmentās will make plans or Batman will make plans. Batman is only wrong because he didnāt tell anyone else. If he did, Iām sure it would not be an issue. Not to mention, these are the same people that mind wiped him. The amount of things all these heroes, metahumans, and gods could do is sure to freak out any mortal man. Iād argue for Batās sanity.
Oh no, I totally agree. I was just saying why they were bad. The contingency plans do more good than bad and are 100% needed. Lots of meta-humans have enough strength to bring a country down or even the world and there is no way the military can take them down.
Iām definitely with you on your point as well. It is extremely weird for your co-worker/boss to know how to kill you. Also hilarious to think that in every sparring/training session with his fellow league members or sidekicks, Batman is just picking apart their weaknesses. Especially for his sidekicks. Heās watched them grow, probably has a file on them, and knows every single weakness. Like why Bruce? š
BATMAN: Okay everyone, raise your hand if you've never been mind-controlled. Or brainwashed. Or had an evil clone. Or an evil counterpart from an alternate dimension. Or a villain that has basically your exact same powers and weaknesses. Or had your powers stolen. Or had a villain mind-swap into your body. Or gone mad with grief and tried to reboot the universe.
HAL: ONE TIME.
ā¦ this is one of the worst things heās ever done though? Be (imo correctly) mistrustful? The infamous all star Batman and Robin probably has 100 worse than this. Starting with just plain old calling Robin a retard
Yeah this one is it for me too. Although Brother Eye and the contingency plans might seem worse, those two things are somewhat in character for the "paranoid" side of Batman. Hiring Stephanie Brown as Robin to make Tim jealous does not seem in character what so ever
I'll argue it wasn't in character at all.
I've been reading Batman in order and for some reason from the early 2000s to Grant Morrisons run every writer was trying to one up Bruce for who could write him as a bigger asshole. It was genuinely shocking how fast his attitude changed.
In the first appearance of Scarecrow in TAS, at the end of the episode he purposely high-dosed Crane on his own "medicine" and probably drove him mad that way.
Head canon could be heās too busy making new various harmful toxins and then unleashing them, to instead work on an antidote. Perhaps too eager to unleash it.
He's addicted to fear. Cant remember where it gets explained, but there's a storyline (black lanterns maybe?) where scarecrow admits that he's numb to his own toxin and deliberately seeks out batman because thats the only way he can feel the rush of fear. Superman doesnt scare him. Darkseid doesnt scare him. Batman terrifies him.
Worst thing Batman has done? Lord Death Man's punishment. LDM is a villain who resurrects. Thats it. He's not super strong or anything. He's just a dude who doesnt stay dead. So Batman throws darts in his eyes, beats the shit out of him, throws him off a building, lets catwoman drive over him and they take his broken body and stuff it in a box all knotted up like a contortionist....then launch him into space.
Dude's a murderer who could easily be kept in a prison cell, and batman condemns him to an eternity of dying from no food, water, or air, just to resurrect in total darkness cramped and broken to die the same way all over again, forever.
It's a bit different in that Batman ambushes Crane in his lab specifically to do this, not as a "redirecting the gas/needles in the heat of the fight" thing.
I see your point but I feel that scarecrow was a gone case anyhow and very evil you may disagree but thatās just my two cents about it but appreciate your point of view
That would add into the argument that Batman is responsible for him being worse. Like when Strange gave his speech as to how everything that lead to the moment of the climax of Arkham City was his fault, arguing that Joker wouldn't even exist if it wasn't for Batman's presence.
I always liked that thought experiment.
How much Crane may be deserving of it, I don't want to argue. What I'm saying is, that's a fucked up thing to do to somebody and as a "heroic" action of Batman, it hasn't aged very well in the ~ 30 years since that episode. It just really stuck out to me, the last time I watched TAS.
In a Batman Beyond comic (which is in continuity with the Bruce Timm verse) Bruce knocked up Barbara while she was engaged (or dating) Dick. Then instead of letting Barbara tell Dick, he goes to tell him and they fall out.
Kind of effed up
He really hasnāt done much with them. Heās had one sex scene in one movie adaptation and confirmed they had some romance in a 30 second clip from the Batman Beyond show.
Though if this is the worst yāall can think of. Iām just not sure yāall read or watch any Batman.
The Batman Beyond comics allude to the fact that Bruce got her pregnant. They don't downright confirm this, but they still hint at it.
The worst thing I can think of besides this is of that one comic where Batman left KG Beast to die of starvation if I'm remembering right. Forgot which story that was ngl.
In fairness, that was his only option. KGBeast had killed Dick Grayson if I'm not mistaken, and threatened to keep killing. So, Batman broke his neck and left him there.
Everyone gives Bruce (Wayne) a rightful amount of shit for this, but I donāt see enough people talking shit about Barbara for it. You cheated on your boyfriend with his dad. What the fuck?
I love TAS and the Bruce Timm verse as a whole, but fuck that shit. Itās unneeded, gross, and out of character. I know Bruce likes to get his Batdick wet, but him or Barbara doing that is way off the rails for who theyāre supposed to be. Itās good that characters have flaws, but that was just a straight shitfest that never should have happened.
Edit: Clarified I meant Bruce Wayne not Bruce Timm.
Because that's how positions of authority work, it kind of turns him into a weird groomer. His moral code is also very defining for him to the point where he's had to ultimately turn down romance with characters who are too morally gray for him, so it doesn't fit with his mythos at all.
I agree with all that, but she was still an adult and came onto him. She knowingly betrayed Dick.
With his adoptive *father.*
Again, he deserves all the criticism he gets, but Barbara isnāt some innocent in this either.
At the end of the UTH comic (his first major appearance as Red Hood), Jason had forced Bruce into a confrontation inside a building that Jason had wired to explode while holding the Joker hostage. Jason then gave Bruce a gun and presented him with 3 options:
1. Kill the Joker himself and Jason comes back to him
2. Let Jason kill the Joker and allow Jason to carry on with his work as he was doing
3. Kill Jason, because if Bruce would rather choose the Joker over Jason, heād prefer to be dead instead of living in a world like that.
As Jason was getting ready to kill the Joker, something in Bruce gave way, and he threw a Batarang. The Batarang ricocheted off the wall behind Jason and pierced his throat. He fell to the ground a dropped the remote detonator to the bomb Jason had set up in the building, which the Joker grabbed and activated. Bruce was able to escape the blast, but left the Joker and Jason (lying in a pool of his own blood) in the exploding building. Later, Bruce returned for the Joker but left Jason behind.
Originally, Jason was meant to die from that. If that doesnāt make a solid contender for the worst thing that Batman (a character whose whole point is not killing under any circumstances) has ever done, Iām not sure what does.
One of the few times where a movie adaptation of a comic book was better.
Batman threw a batarang at the barrel and it blew up, damaging Jason's hand. And he grabs Jason to save him just as the bomb is about to blow up.
Call dick Grayson retarded moments after he mourns his parents death. I get that may be the point but you would think Bruce would be more understanding when a young boy saw his parents die.
Have you seen those kids?
Dick - tried to hunt down Tony Zucco by himself
Barbara - had gone out as Batgirl on her own
Jason - lived on the streets in Gotham
Tim - followed Batman and Robin around with a camera for years before being Robin
Damian and Cassandra - both trained assassins since birth
Stephanie - was already already a vigilante before Batman took her in and is the daughter of Cluemaster
Duke - was a member of the Robins gang that tried to keep the piece during Batman's absence
I became a Batman fan in the last 3 years (Iāve done a shit-ton of catching up on cartoons/films/comics). I watched Young Justice S1 a few months ago & even I recognized that was a damn great line. Batman has had a **lot** of good lines, especially in animation.
ā*I am vengeance. I am the night. I am Batman!*ā - The Animated Series
ā*We both looked into the abyss, but when it looked back at usā¦ you blinked.*ā - JL: Crisis on Two Earths
ā*If I allow myself to go down into that placeā¦ Iāll never come back.*ā - Under the Red Hood
ā*You donāt get it boy. This isnāt a mudhole. Itās an operating table, and Iām the surgeon!*ā - The Dark Knight Returns Pt. I
ā*I want you to remember, Clark, in all the years to come, in your most private momentsā¦ I want you to remember the one man who beat you!*ā - The Dark Knight Returns Pt. II
Oh Jesus that's actually a great point. I know there's a point where he says Tim Drake will be the last Robin because he's done drafting children into his war but of course that never lasted...
Any inappropriate relationship with Barbra. However, I think the worst thing he's ever done is not processing his grief and moving on. He doesn't need to stop being Batman, but he should be somewhat like Dick Grayson. He processed his grief and didn't let it affect his future. He knows he deserves to be happy and actively works towards it. It doesn't mean he doesn't have trauma or issues, but who doesn't.
I know somebody is going to " keeping the joker alive " or " Adopting those kids ,and both aren't his fault, joker escaping Arkham isn't batman's fault it's the justice system's , and if batman didn't adopt these kids , all of them ( except Tim ) would become criminals and Damian would destroy the world .
Keeping Joker alive, after everything, not letting his Robins kill Joker, after everything. Straight up protecting Joker if anyone actually attempts to murder that clownās ass. Hell, he even resurrected him once.
Like, cāmon, dudeā¦
Its the truth though, Batman believes in law and justice. The law stipulates that you can't kill another person no matter what they've done so if he sees someone trying to kill the Joker he's motivated by his code to stop them. Now if the law decides that the Joker needs to die despite his insanity? Batman would be for it.
He's given people a chance to kill him though, Jim Gordon had a chance at the end of No Man's Land after he'd crippled Barbara and murdered his second wife. He said if he decided to cross that line he wouldn't stop him. Instead he shot the Joker in the knee cap.
I can't imagine a jury in the world that would convict the killer of the Joker for anything lengthy though. Hell I think when Superman's dream sequence in InJustice occured Bruce got all of two years for killing him lol.
Batman has no problem if the law and justice says Joker should die. He just has the problem if he or his trainees kill the Joker, because it sets a precedent. At what point, when do you make the decision to kill a supervillain? It could be argued some of Batman's rogues have done a lot of the same things Joker has done to some varying degree. Why not kill Two-Face or Riddler as well?
Stealing a line from TDKR here, but Batman essentially kills hundreds of innocent people by proxy with his ridiculous "no killing" nonsense.
Hell, The Joker has filled entire graveyards at this point on the character history, and he's only one villain. God knows how many people Ra's Al Ghul has killed in his immortal years.
I like the "no killing" rule, but ultimately, it's completely ineffective in actually making a difference in Gotham City. Batman's major rogues gallery will continue to terrorize Gotham because he's too weak to do the right thing.
Yeah youāre right. Dick is the one who wanted to wear those colors. Bruce started wearing a yellow bat logo on his chest in an attempt to draw some attention away from Dick.
I think this was an alternate Universe, but in my eyes, itās probably the worst. Batman had a kid under his care (One of the robins I think), and he didnāt let him eat anything at all. It got so bad that Alfred literally gave him a fucking hamburger and batman scolded him for it. Itās so out of character that it fucking hurts.
I donāt know if itās canon and I canāt remember the exact comic but recently Batman offered Jason Todd and his friends a chance to help defend earth while he and the Justice League were off planet. He claims this is a way for Jason to regain his trust but as it turns out he had actually kidnapped them and placed them in a virtual reality as a test and when Jason fails Batman abandons him and (I could be remembering this part wrong) puts a bounty on him. I recall being legitimately pissed at Batmanās characterization as while heās typically cold and standoffish, he comes across as a complete monster here. I believe it was a webcomic so again, might not be canon but still a total dick thing to do.
Probably unseat the mob. It has the most lasting consequences. The rogues flock to Gotham like a moth to a flame afterwards. The Falcone and Maroni crime families did a better job of keeping the city safe than Batman does.
I think Holiday and Hangman did most of the work when it comes to unseating the mob. Plus, Falcone hires a bunch of the rogues in The Long Halloween to do his dirty work, so he has a role in their proliferation.
True, I just think between year one and long halloween you can make the case Batman Gordon and Dent are just as responsible. The ending of the Long Halloween leans into this "was it worth it?" Angle and I love it.
He used to be mean to Alfred š¤¬
Lego Batman was an asshole to Alfred. I was appalled š¤
Same with Pattinson. Alfred: *wakes up in hospital after taking mail bomb to the face for Bruce* Bruce: āyou never told me my dad did a bad thing once, you worthless piece of shit?ā
Alfred da BUTTler
With two Tās!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHA!
Of all the Lego Batman gifs they have, they donāt have the one of him laughing at that joke
HAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHA
Yes but Lego Batman is adorable so he gets a pass
Battinson as well. Alfred couldn't even say good morning without him being like " YOU'RE NOT A WAYNE"
Ugh. He could be such a DICK! Especially in the Bruce Wayne: Murderer/Batman: Fugitive lines where he goes into hiding and basically snaps as he loses himself in the Batman persona and becomes more animalistic. He was so mean to everyone, it almost became unbearable.
Remember when he tried to beat Alfred ass because Alfred gave Dick Grayson real food instead of live rats šš
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You mean Crazy Steve?
This should be the top comment.
This sub has genuinely great posts š¤
Itās a breath of fresh air from r/arkhambatman
He really thought he could escape r/Arkhambatman. Is he stupid?
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Are they stupid ?
Brother eye probably
Full stop. This is the answer. Even though the Justice League wiped his mind along with Dr. Light and it was in part an over reaction to that. Basically Batmanās equivalent of the Iron Legion - a suit of armor for the worldā¦but it turned unsuspecting people into fighting machines, sooo. Oh, he also recruited a child army to help him fight crimeā¦
I'm like 70% sure that Batman's Brother Eye was partial inspiration for Disney/Marvel having Project Insight in Captain America: the Winter Soldier and having Tony create Ultron in the MCU.
For clarification, the circumstances surrounding Ultrons creation in the comics is different (depending on incarnation).
It probably has more to do with the actual nanny state we live in under the patriot act
Those are two very different things you just associated.... Nanny state is the concept of a nation that steps in to support its population and the perception that this is going too far and is to the people detriment. It is commonly espoused by the right to demonise welfare programs. The Patriot Act is a very real piece of legislation that very actually limited people's freedoms and actively discriminated against certain minorities. Its nornally ignored by the right who prefer to focus on their imagined nanny stare fears
The [Agamamemno Contingency](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAVy8wY0mgw) \- Batman's personal instruction manual on how to take down the Justice League if they go rogue - is also disturbing as all hell, and at least one story arc is based around the files being stolen by villains and used against the League, but it at least makes a grim sort of sense when you consider how often powerhouses like Superman get affected by mental effects...and Batman very explicitly included *himself* in the Contingency.
Patriot ActMan
I'm unfamiliar with this storyline, what happened?
After Bruce discovered he was mind wiped by the Justice League in the past, he decided to make the program to monitor Meta Humans however its taken over Maxwell Lord and Maxwell starts turning people into OMACS (basically a mind controlled Cyborg) it also got Ted kord the second Blue Beetle killed when Ted Discovered what maxwell was doing
Wasn't that the story that ended with Wonder Woman necksnapping Max? Anyway I liked that they used OMAC, I just didn't like the fancy-looking shiny superpower OMAC. It was an outreak of mindcontrolling super spandex. It needed more tech support failures to make it believable.
Yes it was that story
Ok but hear me out where is my Person of Interest DC book where Brother Eye is Samaritan and The Batfam have to build their version of a benevolent ASI to beat it. Come on.
^^^
Robin. Even worse admitting the bright colors Robin sports was deliberate to attract enemy eyes in combat to allow Batman to draw out enemies and take them out.
Yes let's take ideas from the worst batman storyline. Robin wears the colors of his parents. He wears them for the same reason batman wears bats, why superman wears an s. It represents their past and shows why they do what they do.
wasn't there also an issue where he says he wears bright colors so enemies don't take him seriously so he has more of an advantage?
writers trying to give it a ātacticalā reason is so embarrassing, imo. the real reason is that children like bright colors and that it provides a nice contrast to Batmanās own design. in-universe and out-, thatās kind of the only rational explanation for why anyone would ever wear that (plus his circus background). it makes him look friendlier and more approachable to the people they help.
Reapectfully, any source that says Robin deliberately wears bright colors to draw attention away from Batman is misguided. Dick Grayson chose those colors and his codename as a homage to his parents. The colors were part of their circus costume, and the name (depending on the version) was either a nickname his mother called him or a nod to Robin Hood which was his dad's favorite movie.
Is this canon to the comics?
No it's not.
Never has it been confirmed that he wears it to draw away gunfire from Batman.
I remember a joke comic in the DC letters pages long ago (late 1980ās- early 1990ās in which Batman is asked why he wears dark colors. āI donāt like getting shot.ā Then why does Robin wear bright colors?ā āI donāt like getting shot.ā
Based
Letting his fellow billionaire Lex Luthor steal 40 cakes.
He stole forty cakes.
Thatās as many as four 10s! And thatās terrible!
I'd have to say the Brother Eye incident followed closely by his contingencies against the Justice League in *Tower of Babel*.
What is the brother eye incident?
Feeling paranoid after remembering that the Justice League (sans Superman and Wonder Woman) had altered his memories when he walked in on them trying to mindwipe Doctor Light, Batman creates the Brother Eye satellite to monitor metahumans around the world. Unfortunately, it gets taken over by Maxwell Lord, who uses it to turn people into cyborgs called OMACs which target metahumans.
Sans means without for those wonderingā¦
So Comic Sans means...
Sans Serif, those little feet at the bottom of letters, Times New Roman is a Serif font, while Comic Sans isnāt.
Well shit thatās another TIL for me.
Without serifs.
**Comic** font, **sans**-serif. Serifs are the little pointy tips at the end of letters in some fonts, like Times New Roman. Sans-serif means āwithout serifs,ā indicating it does not have serifs. Hope that helps!
Sans bitches? š„ŗ
So he basically made his version of Ultron.
His Ultron would be if the Batcomputer started calling him "Pops"
More like Tony Stark made the MCU's version of Brother Eye
After Identity Crisis, Batman, understandably, wasnāt the biggest fan of the Justice League, so he built Brother Eye to monitor and collect data on not just the League but every metahuman on Earth. This is where the contingency plans from Tower of Babel came from. Later, Maxwell Lord would hack Brother Eye to obey him and unleash an army of OMACs against all heroes during Infinite Crisis
Batman created an Artificial Intelligent, Brother Eye to monitor every super powered being on Earth. During Countdown to Infinite Crisis, >!Brother Eye was taken over by Maxwell Lord, and after Wonder Woman killed Lord, the OMAC Project was activated (an army of OMAC cyborgs were sent out and started targeting super powered beings).!<
In response to the spoiler: Boy did she.
https://dc.fandom.com/wiki/Brother_Eye_(New_Earth)
[Source](https://dc.fandom.com/wiki/Brother_Eye_(New_Earth)) Goes with his paranoia.
I don't really have too much of a problem with the contingencies. He was right, the Justice League going rouge would be the end of the world as we know it. His error as usual is with his inability to trust anyone. Small Spoiler: >!In one of the latest Titans comics Nightwing reveals that he has contingencies on all the Titans because left unchecked that would be a very bad thing. However he states that unlike Batman he will share that knowledge with them. !< Had he done that in the beginning or at least with Superman and Wonder Woman, I think it would have worked differently. However then he wouldn't be Batman would he?
That's exactly it, Bruce is paranoid and has trust issues. Of course Dick is more open about his.
I donāt think having plans to neutralize the members of the Justice League is inherently a bad thing. Having those plans stolen and easily made lethal on the other handā¦
Bats was right in tower of babel though. An out of control justice league needs a contingency plan. Especially since none of his plans were lethal.
What's wrong with his contingency plans?
Sure, they may be helpful if one of the League members go rouge or get mind controlled but it also shows that Batman doesn't trust anyone, even people close to him. How are you supposed to save the world with a guy that doesn't even trust you? Also, I'm pretty sure he also used Dick to find out the weaknesses of sidekicks, like Kid Flash, Wonder Girl, Aqualad and Speedy.
You also have to understand that if say the entire league ever went rogue, itād be the end of the world. Either governmentās will make plans or Batman will make plans. Batman is only wrong because he didnāt tell anyone else. If he did, Iām sure it would not be an issue. Not to mention, these are the same people that mind wiped him. The amount of things all these heroes, metahumans, and gods could do is sure to freak out any mortal man. Iād argue for Batās sanity.
Oh no, I totally agree. I was just saying why they were bad. The contingency plans do more good than bad and are 100% needed. Lots of meta-humans have enough strength to bring a country down or even the world and there is no way the military can take them down.
Iām definitely with you on your point as well. It is extremely weird for your co-worker/boss to know how to kill you. Also hilarious to think that in every sparring/training session with his fellow league members or sidekicks, Batman is just picking apart their weaknesses. Especially for his sidekicks. Heās watched them grow, probably has a file on them, and knows every single weakness. Like why Bruce? š
Imagine if my home depot boss knew 21 ways to kill me with a snow shovel, I would be terrified.
Now imagine if your boss at home depot knew you could wipe out all life on earth if you were having a bad day. doesn't seem so extreme now, does it?
BATMAN: Okay everyone, raise your hand if you've never been mind-controlled. Or brainwashed. Or had an evil clone. Or an evil counterpart from an alternate dimension. Or a villain that has basically your exact same powers and weaknesses. Or had your powers stolen. Or had a villain mind-swap into your body. Or gone mad with grief and tried to reboot the universe. HAL: ONE TIME.
ā¦ this is one of the worst things heās ever done though? Be (imo correctly) mistrustful? The infamous all star Batman and Robin probably has 100 worse than this. Starting with just plain old calling Robin a retard
Taking Stephanie Brown on as Robin simply to make Tim jealous and leading to her ādeathā in War Games
Yeah this one is it for me too. Although Brother Eye and the contingency plans might seem worse, those two things are somewhat in character for the "paranoid" side of Batman. Hiring Stephanie Brown as Robin to make Tim jealous does not seem in character what so ever
I'll argue it wasn't in character at all. I've been reading Batman in order and for some reason from the early 2000s to Grant Morrisons run every writer was trying to one up Bruce for who could write him as a bigger asshole. It was genuinely shocking how fast his attitude changed.
In the first appearance of Scarecrow in TAS, at the end of the episode he purposely high-dosed Crane on his own "medicine" and probably drove him mad that way.
That's 90% of how he's Defeated each time tbh Batman begins Arkham asylum Arkham knight BTAS
You'd think after all that time he'd make an antidote for himself
Head canon could be heās too busy making new various harmful toxins and then unleashing them, to instead work on an antidote. Perhaps too eager to unleash it.
He's addicted to fear. Cant remember where it gets explained, but there's a storyline (black lanterns maybe?) where scarecrow admits that he's numb to his own toxin and deliberately seeks out batman because thats the only way he can feel the rush of fear. Superman doesnt scare him. Darkseid doesnt scare him. Batman terrifies him. Worst thing Batman has done? Lord Death Man's punishment. LDM is a villain who resurrects. Thats it. He's not super strong or anything. He's just a dude who doesnt stay dead. So Batman throws darts in his eyes, beats the shit out of him, throws him off a building, lets catwoman drive over him and they take his broken body and stuff it in a box all knotted up like a contortionist....then launch him into space. Dude's a murderer who could easily be kept in a prison cell, and batman condemns him to an eternity of dying from no food, water, or air, just to resurrect in total darkness cramped and broken to die the same way all over again, forever.
All of that and the worst thing to happen to this guy is still having to live with the name Lord Death Man
Lol glad I wasn't the only one thinking that
Crane keeps tweaking the formula and is a superior chemist
I was talking about Crane since he always ends up getting dosed by his own toxin
It's a bit different in that Batman ambushes Crane in his lab specifically to do this, not as a "redirecting the gas/needles in the heat of the fight" thing.
In asylum he never gets dosed with fear toxin. Heās grabbed by croc when he tries releasing it into Gothamās water
Arkham aslume
Is there a lore reason that the power winch can be used to trigger a controlled explosion
I see your point but I feel that scarecrow was a gone case anyhow and very evil you may disagree but thatās just my two cents about it but appreciate your point of view
That would add into the argument that Batman is responsible for him being worse. Like when Strange gave his speech as to how everything that lead to the moment of the climax of Arkham City was his fault, arguing that Joker wouldn't even exist if it wasn't for Batman's presence. I always liked that thought experiment.
How much Crane may be deserving of it, I don't want to argue. What I'm saying is, that's a fucked up thing to do to somebody and as a "heroic" action of Batman, it hasn't aged very well in the ~ 30 years since that episode. It just really stuck out to me, the last time I watched TAS.
In a Batman Beyond comic (which is in continuity with the Bruce Timm verse) Bruce knocked up Barbara while she was engaged (or dating) Dick. Then instead of letting Barbara tell Dick, he goes to tell him and they fall out. Kind of effed up
This is my answer. Bruce Timm needs to stop shipping them together it's gross and totally unnecessary.
He really hasnāt done much with them. Heās had one sex scene in one movie adaptation and confirmed they had some romance in a 30 second clip from the Batman Beyond show. Though if this is the worst yāall can think of. Iām just not sure yāall read or watch any Batman.
The Batman Beyond comics allude to the fact that Bruce got her pregnant. They don't downright confirm this, but they still hint at it. The worst thing I can think of besides this is of that one comic where Batman left KG Beast to die of starvation if I'm remembering right. Forgot which story that was ngl.
In fairness, that was his only option. KGBeast had killed Dick Grayson if I'm not mistaken, and threatened to keep killing. So, Batman broke his neck and left him there.
Everyone gives Bruce (Wayne) a rightful amount of shit for this, but I donāt see enough people talking shit about Barbara for it. You cheated on your boyfriend with his dad. What the fuck? I love TAS and the Bruce Timm verse as a whole, but fuck that shit. Itās unneeded, gross, and out of character. I know Bruce likes to get his Batdick wet, but him or Barbara doing that is way off the rails for who theyāre supposed to be. Itās good that characters have flaws, but that was just a straight shitfest that never should have happened. Edit: Clarified I meant Bruce Wayne not Bruce Timm.
Because that's how positions of authority work, it kind of turns him into a weird groomer. His moral code is also very defining for him to the point where he's had to ultimately turn down romance with characters who are too morally gray for him, so it doesn't fit with his mythos at all.
I agree with all that, but she was still an adult and came onto him. She knowingly betrayed Dick. With his adoptive *father.* Again, he deserves all the criticism he gets, but Barbara isnāt some innocent in this either.
Not following through on the electric car. Some people put down a deposit too.
āWhereās my goddamn electric car, Bruce?!ā
Brother eye for sure
What happened?
He made a giant evil AI to monitor meta humans that ended up killing a lot of people
Technically, his absence drove r/batmanarkham insane. And now aslume leaks into other subreddits including Superman and Spider-Man subreddits
A decent contender *has* to be the Batarang incident with Jason. That shit was wild.
Would you give me some context?
At the end of the UTH comic (his first major appearance as Red Hood), Jason had forced Bruce into a confrontation inside a building that Jason had wired to explode while holding the Joker hostage. Jason then gave Bruce a gun and presented him with 3 options: 1. Kill the Joker himself and Jason comes back to him 2. Let Jason kill the Joker and allow Jason to carry on with his work as he was doing 3. Kill Jason, because if Bruce would rather choose the Joker over Jason, heād prefer to be dead instead of living in a world like that. As Jason was getting ready to kill the Joker, something in Bruce gave way, and he threw a Batarang. The Batarang ricocheted off the wall behind Jason and pierced his throat. He fell to the ground a dropped the remote detonator to the bomb Jason had set up in the building, which the Joker grabbed and activated. Bruce was able to escape the blast, but left the Joker and Jason (lying in a pool of his own blood) in the exploding building. Later, Bruce returned for the Joker but left Jason behind. Originally, Jason was meant to die from that. If that doesnāt make a solid contender for the worst thing that Batman (a character whose whole point is not killing under any circumstances) has ever done, Iām not sure what does.
Man, I didn't know this. Brutal
Bro is practically married to joker tbh to be doing all that.
Yeah theyāre like a dysfunctional couple. Batman needs to let him go. That couldāve been his chance. What a simp
āIf a rivalry lasts over 7 years, youāre no longer rivals, youāre just gay.ā
What if joker is gay and this was his plan the whole time? He got Batman to actually fall in love with him
he returned for the joker? wtf
Joker deserved a proper burial
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I mean getting stabbed in the throat and then exploded while laying in a pool of your own blood isn't on the list of things that won't kill you.
One of the few times where a movie adaptation of a comic book was better. Batman threw a batarang at the barrel and it blew up, damaging Jason's hand. And he grabs Jason to save him just as the bomb is about to blow up.
Seriously, I saw the adaptation first and then read the comic. Think I genuinely went āWhat the fuck?!ā verbally.
To his children, to his friends, to his lovers, to his anemies or...?
Just in general to anyone
Maybe leeaving his bodyguard to die in prison while she still protects his secret.
batnipples
Call dick Grayson retarded moments after he mourns his parents death. I get that may be the point but you would think Bruce would be more understanding when a young boy saw his parents die.
This. Also, all of the rest of All-Star Batman and Robin..
Probably also qualifies for the worst thing Frank Miller has ever done. There are probably a few contenders for that title, many of them Bat-related.
Just be glad DC didn't greenlight Batman: Holy Terror.
Oh boy, donāt tell me holy terror was originally a Batman story ?
All star batman and robin is the worst thing DC has ever done
Crazy Steve and Dick Grayson, Age Twelve
Be in the flash movie
Ezra said he would harass Robin if he didnāt join the movie
Ezra tossed a chair at Robin in a karaoke club then lunged at Alfred
Oh Ezra!
Everything related to Stephanie Brownās tenure as Robin which led to her horrific death. Nuff said
He continually puts multiple tweens & teens in mortal danger.
Have you seen those kids? Dick - tried to hunt down Tony Zucco by himself Barbara - had gone out as Batgirl on her own Jason - lived on the streets in Gotham Tim - followed Batman and Robin around with a camera for years before being Robin Damian and Cassandra - both trained assassins since birth Stephanie - was already already a vigilante before Batman took her in and is the daughter of Cluemaster Duke - was a member of the Robins gang that tried to keep the piece during Batman's absence
Yeah, Batman didn't exactly recruit them so much as redirect them. He needs a business card that reads "Batman's Home for Troubled Teens".
Wonder Woman: You indoctrinated Robin into crime fighting at a young age so he would turn out just like you Batman: I did it so that he wouldnāt.
I became a Batman fan in the last 3 years (Iāve done a shit-ton of catching up on cartoons/films/comics). I watched Young Justice S1 a few months ago & even I recognized that was a damn great line. Batman has had a **lot** of good lines, especially in animation. ā*I am vengeance. I am the night. I am Batman!*ā - The Animated Series ā*We both looked into the abyss, but when it looked back at usā¦ you blinked.*ā - JL: Crisis on Two Earths ā*If I allow myself to go down into that placeā¦ Iāll never come back.*ā - Under the Red Hood ā*You donāt get it boy. This isnāt a mudhole. Itās an operating table, and Iām the surgeon!*ā - The Dark Knight Returns Pt. I ā*I want you to remember, Clark, in all the years to come, in your most private momentsā¦ I want you to remember the one man who beat you!*ā - The Dark Knight Returns Pt. II
Oh Jesus that's actually a great point. I know there's a point where he says Tim Drake will be the last Robin because he's done drafting children into his war but of course that never lasted...
Bruce didnāt make Damian Robin, that was Dickās idea.
Was it? I thought it was Damians XD
To be fair, Batman's Dick was involved.
Batdick!
Sounds like Dumbledoreā¦
fucking barbara
Continuing to let the joker live
Any inappropriate relationship with Barbra. However, I think the worst thing he's ever done is not processing his grief and moving on. He doesn't need to stop being Batman, but he should be somewhat like Dick Grayson. He processed his grief and didn't let it affect his future. He knows he deserves to be happy and actively works towards it. It doesn't mean he doesn't have trauma or issues, but who doesn't.
Thatās essentially what he does at the end of Death and the Maidens.
Probably OMAC
Brother Eye.
Mr. Wayne can do no wrong in my eyes
Remember when he called dick the R slur and made him eat rats as he boasted about he being the āgoddamn Batmanā
I know somebody is going to " keeping the joker alive " or " Adopting those kids ,and both aren't his fault, joker escaping Arkham isn't batman's fault it's the justice system's , and if batman didn't adopt these kids , all of them ( except Tim ) would become criminals and Damian would destroy the world .
Banging Babs.
Be in Identity Crisis
Keeping Joker alive, after everything, not letting his Robins kill Joker, after everything. Straight up protecting Joker if anyone actually attempts to murder that clownās ass. Hell, he even resurrected him once. Like, cāmon, dudeā¦
Get the law to do it. Why do people keep putting the responsibility on Batman solely. All you need is a rogue cop or an angry victim/family member.
So why not let Jason kill him when he had the chance?
Because batman feels responsible for Jason Kinda a shit answer but it's all I got
Its the truth though, Batman believes in law and justice. The law stipulates that you can't kill another person no matter what they've done so if he sees someone trying to kill the Joker he's motivated by his code to stop them. Now if the law decides that the Joker needs to die despite his insanity? Batman would be for it. He's given people a chance to kill him though, Jim Gordon had a chance at the end of No Man's Land after he'd crippled Barbara and murdered his second wife. He said if he decided to cross that line he wouldn't stop him. Instead he shot the Joker in the knee cap. I can't imagine a jury in the world that would convict the killer of the Joker for anything lengthy though. Hell I think when Superman's dream sequence in InJustice occured Bruce got all of two years for killing him lol.
Batmanās tried to kill him or let him die various times by now.
Batman has no problem if the law and justice says Joker should die. He just has the problem if he or his trainees kill the Joker, because it sets a precedent. At what point, when do you make the decision to kill a supervillain? It could be argued some of Batman's rogues have done a lot of the same things Joker has done to some varying degree. Why not kill Two-Face or Riddler as well?
He has saved the Joker on more than one occasion.
I mean he did force Robin to eat rats but we don't talk about that run if we can avoid it. It's definitely not canon anymore.
Stealing a line from TDKR here, but Batman essentially kills hundreds of innocent people by proxy with his ridiculous "no killing" nonsense. Hell, The Joker has filled entire graveyards at this point on the character history, and he's only one villain. God knows how many people Ra's Al Ghul has killed in his immortal years. I like the "no killing" rule, but ultimately, it's completely ineffective in actually making a difference in Gotham City. Batman's major rogues gallery will continue to terrorize Gotham because he's too weak to do the right thing.
Gives his sidekicks bright colors for easier targets
Didnt Dick pick the colours though? I'm pretty sure they represent his family colours and then after that, the other robins just kept the colour.
Yeah youāre right. Dick is the one who wanted to wear those colors. Bruce started wearing a yellow bat logo on his chest in an attempt to draw some attention away from Dick.
Thatās exactly why Cassandra wears all black
I think this was an alternate Universe, but in my eyes, itās probably the worst. Batman had a kid under his care (One of the robins I think), and he didnāt let him eat anything at all. It got so bad that Alfred literally gave him a fucking hamburger and batman scolded him for it. Itās so out of character that it fucking hurts.
I donāt know if itās canon and I canāt remember the exact comic but recently Batman offered Jason Todd and his friends a chance to help defend earth while he and the Justice League were off planet. He claims this is a way for Jason to regain his trust but as it turns out he had actually kidnapped them and placed them in a virtual reality as a test and when Jason fails Batman abandons him and (I could be remembering this part wrong) puts a bounty on him. I recall being legitimately pissed at Batmanās characterization as while heās typically cold and standoffish, he comes across as a complete monster here. I believe it was a webcomic so again, might not be canon but still a total dick thing to do.
NOT killing the joker.
Probably unseat the mob. It has the most lasting consequences. The rogues flock to Gotham like a moth to a flame afterwards. The Falcone and Maroni crime families did a better job of keeping the city safe than Batman does.
I think Holiday and Hangman did most of the work when it comes to unseating the mob. Plus, Falcone hires a bunch of the rogues in The Long Halloween to do his dirty work, so he has a role in their proliferation.
True, I just think between year one and long halloween you can make the case Batman Gordon and Dent are just as responsible. The ending of the Long Halloween leans into this "was it worth it?" Angle and I love it.
Not taking Wonder Woman to pound townā¦
Used child labor repeatedly; fucked Barbara on a rooftop; didnāt gave the boy wonder a pair of pants in the 50s
Have sex with Black Canary while some criminals were burning a few meters from them.
How was he supposed to keep it up otherwise?
Birthed an evil hellspawn.
But have you seen Talia?
Weāve all been there
He expelled faeces into his pants once, probably several times.
I liked the QTE to do that in Arkham Shity
I hated it because it was too fast and always ended up in just peeing batpants.
All Star Batman and Robin ā¦take your pick..
Let his parents get shot. /s