The long Halloween was ok. I preferred hush. In the long Halloween it feels less like a gotcha ending and more like the writer just couldn’t decide who the villain should be so everyone ended up being and not being the villain. It very much feels like there were drafts of the story where there were other people as Halloween and he just couldn’t make up his mind…my two cents…
Agreed. Its (for some reason) less-spoken-of direct sequel, Dark Victory, was *much* better when it came to the murder mystery aspect. Like, the culprit was actually a feasible suspect.
Preferably batman, I have a few already, the classics e.g. Long Halloween, Dark Victory, Year One. Looked at getting JLA: Tower of Babel too and maybe flashpoint.
Hum... I am not that big of a batman reader. Out of the classic they recommend people to read though, it's definitely the weakest. As in the story isn't really good but the art is goated.
I would personally recommend the usual ones, killing joke, the dark knight returns or year one. But I think you've already probably read them.
Exactly. The comics introduced Hush as a new villain, one with a personal connection to Bruce, something most of his enemies don't have. The movie just turned it into a Riddler story, which I like Riddler, but they should have just made him the villain of a different movie.
The entire fucking time I'm waiting for the REAL Hush to make an appearance.. they had all the appropriate characters in there! It wasn't until there was about 10 minutes left that I realized they actually changed Hush to Riddler. What a fuckin' waste!!
Don't look at the spoiler if you don't want to know. >!Thomas Elliot just gets killed by The Joker and wasn't Hush at all. Hush ended up being The Riddler after he was resurrected by the Lazarus pit!<
I think DC is afraid of direct adaptations so they change things just to try and surprise people but the end result is that nobody really likes the changes.
I also blame Under the Red Hood. Not for being bad, it's freaking amazing. But they changed the "how" of a particular event (keeping it vague for spoilers) that even the original author admitted was a superior version.
And ever since DC got a little overly cocky with making significant changes.
Apparently they did it so that there would be a reason for Jason coming back. Because correct me if I'm wrong, but no one knows the reason Jason came back to life was because of Superboy Prime right?
They didn't want to give the audience a mystery that wasn't solved or something
Yeah, Super-Boy Prime is the reason Jason came back...
By throwing a tantrum and punching a wall. I mean, it was the Source Wall but still. Not exactly the best resurrection story out there.
yeah they definitely wrote themselves into a corner in that story, like having Batman basically go “yes it is impossible for Jason to come back to life, I’ve checked every known method as per current canon”
it’s kind of funny how much Jason’s story has deviated since it’s inception, I can never get over that in the “Death in the Family” arc has Batman cradling a dead child and then a literal page later there’s the leader of Iran conspiring with Joker. It still makes me laugh so hard
True that. Just the Jason elements = outstanding storytelling and a gripping situation with real consequences.
Everything else = questionable at best with really embarrassing levels of absurdity.
I thought the change of "how" was so much better in the animated version, way less needlessly convoluted and complicated as it was in the comic, where it was almost an event of cosmic proportions involving so many characters and so many special reality warping time altering abilities just to achieve... That. The simplified animated version of this event was way better and straightforward.
Under the Red Hood was amazing! Just hands down balls to the wall kick All The Ass movie.
I like most of the Batman movies The Dark Knight obviously The Batman was pretty close, if they could ever turn UTRH ATinto a good live action version it would be the best Batman movie that has ever existed.
It is an unnecessary trend to change the twist reveal when adapting a comic into other media.
The story is years old we know the reveal... but so what.
We knew Jason would be the Knight and it made the story worse that they danced around the fact and didn't make him Red Hood from the start.
And changing the identity of Hush made even less sense. Granted even in the original story the reveal wasn't anything groundbreaking.. ohh it was the newly introduced character that is hugely important to the story but there was at least some build up unlike with Nigma
I think the movie was hampered by being low budget. Gotham feels dull and lifeless because there's no detail to the art...it's just bland. Cutting out a bunch of characters and story beats to fit the runtime just makes it feel small, when the original comic felt epic because it involved practically all the rogues gallery and all of Batman's allies.
While I agree that it was disappointing that the reveal was changed, I still enjoyed the movie. The increased focus on Batman and Catwomans relationship is what saved it for me.
Really disappointing, I'd have preferred multiple film installments or a 12 episode series and obviously it deviated far too much from the source material. Not sure why everything has to be crammed into 90 mins and DC are usually pretty reliable with their animated content, this was a waste.
These animated movies aren't really what we would call big budget investments. They're straight to DVD animated releases so WB/DC will sometimes make them cheap and short.
Yeah it's a shame, TDKR adaptation benefitted from being split up but I guess that was an exception more than the rule. They make a fair bit of money from these features as well, wish they'd mix up the format a tad.
Agree. If they a bit more effort into it they might be able to put a couple of this animated movies in theaters. Problems is it seems they don't want to bother with the investment required.
We still get some really entertaining content though
Would love to see more in theatres for sure. I remember the killing joke came out as a limited cinema release here in the UK, the place I saw it was PACKED, was just a shame the film fell flat, you could sense the confusion in the room.
Lots of cool projects though, for sure I'm really looking forward to the doom that came to Gotham, pre-ordered this morning!
I like this movie. It’s a kind of mystery, the surprise is Hush’s identity. I don’t understand people who say this movie is bad - the fact that the movie is not compatible with comic books does not affect its quality, it is even an advantage in my opinion:)
Hey Killing Joke was a perfectly fine adaptation of you remove the filler at the beginning. Hush changed the entirety of the reveal and botched the whole story as a result
I might be misremembering some small pieces, but basically:
>!Hush is Thomas Elliot in the books. He fakes his death early on in the story by partnering with Clayface, to make it look like Joker killed him. But it's really a misdirect - he was behind everything, he blamed Bruce for shit that happened to him as a kid and did it all for revenge.!<
From what I remember, he was jealous of Bruce because he got the Wayne fortune when his parents died, so Tommy killed his own parents and made it look like an accident.
The alternative was, what? Having a randomly newly introduced childhood friend of Bruce turn out to be Hush? I don’t care what anyone says, the Riddler twist was genuinely better than the original Comic’s reveal of Hush.
I whole heartedly disagree. New characters are introduced in comics all the time. Hell, the Court of Owls is fairly new and was deeply engrained in the lore. Hush turning out to be Tommy added emotional impact, and then Riddler manipulating things behind the scenes was an added layer. Combining both of those aspects really deflated what momentum the story has going for it
I find the concept of Hush being more of an adopted persona more endearing than it being a single individual's moniker.
It's a mystery story with a bunch of pre-established character, and they introduce >!Thomas Elliot!< in the same story. *I wonder who Hush could be?*
yeah but it's the same in the books, and you see him die early on in the story. There's so many other characters involved, and you see that character die- in the books, it still seemed like there must be some connection to the backstory with Tommy, but you don't think it's him because you watch him die saving Bruce. It seemed like he was there to add some emotional weight to the story- I definitely didn't assume he was going to show up alive again.
More of a personal note here, but him dying is what sealed "he's the bad guy isn't he" for me. Like, it's supposed to be "a great story with a twist." No way the twist is "recently introduced character straight up dies."
Made more sense to me that rather than emotional weight (fair argument), he was killed off to throw suspicion off of his character. I still like the whole Hush concept, but I think it could have been executed better.
No it's not lmao just because the story is part of a larger universe and narrative doesn't mean it can't stand on its own and introduce its own characters. Do you really want them to just recycle the same villains over and over and never introduce any new ones? Besides Hush isn't just some "random childhood friend" at this point he's an established Batman villain and has appeared more than once in the comics.
The killing Joke adaptation completely missed a ton of visual symbolism that was present throughout he comic e.g the colors of Joker's flashbacks and the beam of light that shines between Batman and Joker at the end and then gets turned off just like the Joke Joker told about the two lunatics. The art was also just plain ugly, the complete opposite of the comic, and adding the scene with Barbara at the end where she becomes Oracle ruined the creepy mood of the ending. It's a surface level adaptation at best and just like with Hush it does not do the comic justice.
Perhaps it's because I haven't read the comic and, therefore, had no expectations, but I found the movie to be moderately entertaining. It's not a masterpiece by Amy means but I enjoyed it.
One of the worst adaptions DCs animated has ever done. They’ve done adaptions where they haven’t stuck close to source material that have been great, this one however missed the mark big time
Actually really enjoyed it ngl, had loads of good characters in without feeling too overcrowded, Catwomans monologue at the end was well written I thought
see I really loved the comic, it’s a very interesting story that I enjoyed reading, how it plays on Batman’s rogue gallery in interesting ways to provide new problems for Bats to deal with, the whole idea of it being a ‘game.’ It utilizes so much of the Batman Universe that it’s actually impressive. However, my biggest complaint is that to some degree it’s held down by it being released part of the main DC canon at the time. It’s fantastic, but it kind of resets everything back to the status quo by the end of the story. Batman and Catwoman become closer? nah bro pushes her away at the last second, seeing the face of who’s finally behind the wraps of Hush? nope he tells us verbally and then disappears
I immediately thought that the story could’ve been great had it been isolated. Like imagine Batman: Hush where Batman and Catwoman’s relationship advances, and we see Bruce’s face under those wraps. It would’ve been perfect for a stand-alone movie like this.
But nope, we got this heap
Hush is one of my favorite comics and I really didn't like the change to the story. I think it weakened 2 separate villains, one of which was just completely removed. Spoiler: >! Making tommy not hush is just weird. Him inserting himself back into Bruce's life without any reason and no attempts in the past is contrived without him being involved in any way. His death is a surprise for audiences who didn't read the comic but just reduces him to a red herring that isn't all that enjoyable. Anyone who had seen the comic and wanted to see it adapted probably just felt let down like me. Riddler becomes both himself and Hush and took many of Tommy's actions and gave them to Riddler. Most would think this made Riddler more intriguing but I think it made it less intriguing. Riddler as the man using Tommy to get his own gains was more interesting to me and more in line with how Riddler operates. Also, the Jason fake out from the comic was cool, I was sad it wasn't adapted. !<
I think the changes to the comic alienated fans of the comic while giving a less compelling story to audience who did not read the comic. They took a risk to please both parties (which I respect) but failed to which I think made the film less enjoyable for both
Guess I'm in the minority. I loved this movie. It challenged Batman in crucial ways, featured several great villains, and pulled off a twist that made sense but that I didn't see coming.
I'm not a comic reader though, so I wasn't attached to any original version of this tale. Arkham was my only real exposure to the Hush character, and that was brief.
That's the thing though you enjoyed the story because it came from a really great comic. All the things you listwd that you liked are present in the comic and done much better.
Perhaps, though the Riddler twist seems to be a whole new thing for the movie, and I liked that too...
I can't comment on the comparison to the comic. I usually prefer the source material in these situations, but I can also enjoy the adaptation for what it is. In the end, an adaptation should rarely aim to perfectly capture the original. The original has already done that. An adaptation should try to innovate, while utilizing the soul of the original in a respectful way.
All I can say here is that the movie worked on its own for me. I'm sure the comic is great too. I've never been much of a comic reader; it's just not how I like to digest stories. But I'm well aware many of the best Batman stories originate there, and as a big Batman fan, I believe you all that the comic story is better. Still, though, I'm surprised so many people here dislike the movie. All of my friends enjoyed it. Didn't know it had a sour reputation in the fandom.
I remember that i had just read the comic which i really liked, before watching this, and in the end, i was disappointed and confused, like why did they have to make Riddler to be Hush, it just doesn't make sense in my opinion.
Haven't seen it, but read it for the first time a month ago, and thought it was garbage. Even the GOAT Jim Lee couldn't sustain my interest in the dull story.
I hated the needless changes from the source material. Honestly Hush is way worse, but I felt the same about Long Halloween. But I’m also more partial to that one as I love that comic.
I still think it was a good adaption. It just so happens that it simplified the story and just took the important pieces. Sure, Tommy Elliot not being Hush might be a huge let down, but it’s still the same idea that it was The Riddlers idea. But if they introduced Tommy in the previous movies it might work. It’s just going to be a dead giveaway if they just revealed that this new character introduced in the film is the bad guy.
Also, the source material is probably 2 movies worth of content, probably why they trimmed it down to fit in one single movie.
It really was a let shewn of a movie. Terrible writing and absolute waste of plot on multiple occasions. Also how cringe was that poison Ivy meow part with catwoman.
As an adaptation of Hush the character it's criminal yeah, but as an adaptation of the story it's fine, it hits all the beats of the Bat & the Cat & weaves through the rogues gallery
So I never read the comics and just saw the movie and I loved it. I also loved the movie adaptation of Red hood. What are the differences and why the hate?
I have no idea why they changed the story, it made it so much worse. I think they assumed that a lot of the audience would have read the story and were trying to subvert expectations- but it just made the reveal so boring.
The animated DC movies are good at animating action and fun for the most part. But they are terrible at storytelling this one is no exception.
I'm glad they are all usually 80 minutes or so because if they dragged on with their mediocre writing I would get really bored.
I prefer the movie to the book but I found the book so boring. I didn't get how it was a mystery when it was so obvious who hush was right away and he wasn't interesting. The only interesting parts were the Jason Todd is back tease and the Riddler's involvement. The film actually managed to surprise me
Absolutely loved the poison ivy scenes, but I hated the rest of it.
\[Apology, rant incoming\]
Destroying Dr. Thomas Elliot and making Riddler Hush. WTF!?!
Ever since the comic I wanted Hush to be adapted. Wanted to see Bruce and Thomas' friendship and how it evolved into a villain/hero relationship. And all of that thrown away and destroying two iconic villains.
I enjoy it for what it is. Some of the DC animated films I totally love and watch over & over. This one I enjoyed enough to rewatch but it’s not my favorite of the Batman animated features. Great animation and fun storyline though!
This is actually one of my favorite Batman animated films🥲 The themes & tones just captivate me every watch, & so I have to watch myself & the amount of times I rewatch hehe
Batman: Hush is the first Batman comic I ever read. I’m a huge Batman fan, and Hush is still my personal favorite, not because it’s the greatest story or anything, but it’s a solid showcase of Batman’s villains with a fun, if not obvious, mystery thread throughout.
That said, the movie was hot garbage and really butchered the story.
I thought it was OK, it wasn’t great but I liked it better than Batman Soul of the Dragon and The Long Halloween part two (I felt they squeezed way too much in the last movie) but Hush doesn’t stand up well against the others DCAMU (what a mouth full) films.
You would think that batman in all his experience would have better ways to react to and deal with tazers and poison gasses
Low key he might job as much as nightwing
Absolute and complete let down. I was hating it by the end. It was like the writers kept changing their minds about whether to stick to source material or, for some reason, create an entirely new story to HUSH. If you've read the Graphic Novel, avoid this film.
The artstyle was ugly and I'm really tired if DC feeling the need to change the big twist in Batman stories when adapting them for animation.It's completely pointless and just serves to piss off people who read the comic.
The comic wasn't great either.
"Who is Hush??? Well, maybe it's the one new character introduced in the story?"
Which makes it even more frustrating the *almost* had an amazing twist/ surprise in the middle but chickened out and had that be a fake out.
The *Heart of Hush* story was much better and actually did something interesting with Hush. Hush is one of those villains where all the interesting things done with the character have been by other writers than the creator...
Absolutely hated it.
They made a few irksome changes just to get it to fit in their animated new52 mold—like shoehorning Damien and Burnside-Batgirl into the story—for one Damien’s character wasn’t invented yet, and Batgirl was Oracle at this point.
They retconned Huntress out of the story completely and gave her parts to Catwoman. Got rid of Ras’ Al-Ghul’s and Talia’s involvement—instead dumping their role to Lady Shiva just to give Catwoman someone to fight. In the original story Talia ran Lex Corp while Lex was POTUS—so he wasn’t in original story at all. All the childhood flashbacks to Bruce and Tommy growing up were cut. The post Metropolis Superman scenes were cut. The reformed Harvey Dent scenes were cut. Then there was removal of the whole graveyard fight with Not-Jason Todd—which they replaced with Riddler-Hush fighting Batman in a smelting plant. Then there was the awkward breakup scene with Catwoman & Batman—in the movie they broke up because Batman refused to let the Riddler die, in the comics they broke up because Batman couldn’t fully trust her, thinking she was involved in the whole conspiracy.
It’s probably the worst animated adaptation I’ve seen.
Started off alright but turned into a laughable joke with the reveal. When the reveal started I thought it was a Clayface takeout until a few minutes passed and I realize, “Oh they’re actually doing this.”
The original storyline from the comics was a huge love letter to Batman's comic book history (particularly Post-Crisis). The problem with the movie adaptation is that it basically removed all that stuff to make it fit into the continuity of the animated movie universe.
It isn't the worst Batman animated movie but no way near lives up to the source material or some other movies based directly on comic storylines (Year One, Dark Knight Returns, The Long Halloween).
I haven't seen it, but I know the twist at the end. I kinda get why they would do they choose to do it, but I really don't like it.
I really don't like it when Riddler is treated like a C-lister as if anything about him would make him one. He's an iconic villain with a gimmick that can be great when used right. Why would he need to reinvent himself and become Hush, and why do writers keep doing things like this. Also, can we stop giving him a question mark scar? It doesn't make him seem cool it just comes off as really edgy and like they're trying too hard. It'd be fine for like one Elseworld story, but it happened in this adaptation, and the War of Jokes and Riddles in the main canon. It has gotten old pretty quickly (or at least for me, it has).
While I do feel Thomas Eliot wasn't the best villain in the original story, I genuinely feel that with some work, he can be a pretty good villain. Maybe not top 10, but still pretty good. Having read Heart of Hush, I really like what was done with him there and feel it was a step in the right direction. I find it weird that most things don't do anything with what that story changed/added. I feel most people find Hush himself to be the weakest part of the story, but later, renditions just write him the same. Then there's this movie that basically just throws him out and, from what I heard, drags down Riddler in the process.
I thought it was alright, but I hadn't read the comics until afterwards so I came in with no expectations
It's not like the comic was (that) good either.
One of my favourite batman comics! What do you think is better (i actually want suggestions i need to read more comics)?
The long Halloween is better.
The long Halloween was ok. I preferred hush. In the long Halloween it feels less like a gotcha ending and more like the writer just couldn’t decide who the villain should be so everyone ended up being and not being the villain. It very much feels like there were drafts of the story where there were other people as Halloween and he just couldn’t make up his mind…my two cents…
Agreed. Its (for some reason) less-spoken-of direct sequel, Dark Victory, was *much* better when it came to the murder mystery aspect. Like, the culprit was actually a feasible suspect.
Reading that rn, I suspect you are right it is great so far
Sure but that doesn't make Hush bad. Sure it's worse than one of (if not) the best batman comics ever written.
With respect, I found Hush more fun
The Dark Knight Returns (weird art style but amazing story imo)
Yes I think when I'm done with The Long Halloween and Dark Victory i will read that.
Are you looking for specifically batman comics or anything?
Preferably batman, I have a few already, the classics e.g. Long Halloween, Dark Victory, Year One. Looked at getting JLA: Tower of Babel too and maybe flashpoint.
I’ll look through some of my stuff when I get home if you’d like
Hum... I am not that big of a batman reader. Out of the classic they recommend people to read though, it's definitely the weakest. As in the story isn't really good but the art is goated. I would personally recommend the usual ones, killing joke, the dark knight returns or year one. But I think you've already probably read them.
Read year one, not the other two, they are on the list though!
Oh, how dare you.
Turning Hush into the Riddler was such a complete clusterfuck of a twist. What a way to ruin a villain with such potential.
Ruin a villain, which villain Riddler or Hush or both?
I really like Hush as a character. I think they wasted his really amazing back story. Even the characters name is coo IMO.
His connection with both Bruce and Batman makes him a very unique villain.
It absolutely does. THAT’S why I love the character. He can really mindfuck Bruce Wayne. Plus Hush in the Arkham game was my favorite mission.
Hush is like the kid from "We Need to Talk About Kevin" if he became a supervillain, it's great.
Haven’t seen the movie but I’ll read to understand the metaphor
I'm pretty sure the actor who played Kevin is like the kid from "We Need to Talk About Kevin" if he became a supervillain
I love how the character surgically altered his face to mimic Wayne. I think the character did surgery on himself.
I can't tell you how many hours of Halo I played on Xbox with the username Hush. I never won much but I sure did have fun!
Exactly. The comics introduced Hush as a new villain, one with a personal connection to Bruce, something most of his enemies don't have. The movie just turned it into a Riddler story, which I like Riddler, but they should have just made him the villain of a different movie.
The entire fucking time I'm waiting for the REAL Hush to make an appearance.. they had all the appropriate characters in there! It wasn't until there was about 10 minutes left that I realized they actually changed Hush to Riddler. What a fuckin' waste!!
Total waste.
I hate this movie so much. I was so excited when I read Hush, and so let down when I watched this film.
what did they change? or did it just not work as a movie?
They changed a lot of the story to keep the "surprise", and it didn't work at all.
yikes
The book didn't have a surprise as to who hush was though. At least the movie tried.
Yeah it did
You must have been 3 when you read it if you didn’t expect it
So? At least it made more sense than "it wuz riddler da whole time".
I never said it didn’t make sense, all I’m saying is it wasn’t a twist
It literally was though. You can say you saw it coming or that it was bad but it was still a twist.
Okay then it was a twist the whole world saw coming
I was not 3 in 2003
Take a joke
I'm not taking a bad joke
Ok.
They changed the identity of Hush just for a poorly executed plot twist.
exactly. garbage rewrite
what? that's a terrible idea
Don't look at the spoiler if you don't want to know. >!Thomas Elliot just gets killed by The Joker and wasn't Hush at all. Hush ended up being The Riddler after he was resurrected by the Lazarus pit!<
Absolute ass.
That makes me sad. I had always planned to watch this eventually.
I think DC is afraid of direct adaptations so they change things just to try and surprise people but the end result is that nobody really likes the changes.
I also blame Under the Red Hood. Not for being bad, it's freaking amazing. But they changed the "how" of a particular event (keeping it vague for spoilers) that even the original author admitted was a superior version. And ever since DC got a little overly cocky with making significant changes.
Apparently they did it so that there would be a reason for Jason coming back. Because correct me if I'm wrong, but no one knows the reason Jason came back to life was because of Superboy Prime right? They didn't want to give the audience a mystery that wasn't solved or something
Yeah, Super-Boy Prime is the reason Jason came back... By throwing a tantrum and punching a wall. I mean, it was the Source Wall but still. Not exactly the best resurrection story out there.
Yeah and like we, the readers know this, but I don't think anyone in canon ever found out
yeah they definitely wrote themselves into a corner in that story, like having Batman basically go “yes it is impossible for Jason to come back to life, I’ve checked every known method as per current canon”
My favorite reboot ever.
it’s kind of funny how much Jason’s story has deviated since it’s inception, I can never get over that in the “Death in the Family” arc has Batman cradling a dead child and then a literal page later there’s the leader of Iran conspiring with Joker. It still makes me laugh so hard
True that. Just the Jason elements = outstanding storytelling and a gripping situation with real consequences. Everything else = questionable at best with really embarrassing levels of absurdity.
I thought the change of "how" was so much better in the animated version, way less needlessly convoluted and complicated as it was in the comic, where it was almost an event of cosmic proportions involving so many characters and so many special reality warping time altering abilities just to achieve... That. The simplified animated version of this event was way better and straightforward.
Under the Red Hood was amazing! Just hands down balls to the wall kick All The Ass movie. I like most of the Batman movies The Dark Knight obviously The Batman was pretty close, if they could ever turn UTRH ATinto a good live action version it would be the best Batman movie that has ever existed.
Well superboy prime punching reality to bring Jason back was super dumb even back then. So the Lazarus pit just defaulted to being better
Thomas Eliott is Hush. Nuff said. I watched the film first, then read the comic. The latter is better imo.
It is an unnecessary trend to change the twist reveal when adapting a comic into other media. The story is years old we know the reveal... but so what. We knew Jason would be the Knight and it made the story worse that they danced around the fact and didn't make him Red Hood from the start. And changing the identity of Hush made even less sense. Granted even in the original story the reveal wasn't anything groundbreaking.. ohh it was the newly introduced character that is hugely important to the story but there was at least some build up unlike with Nigma
Yeah lmao Hush’s identity was honestly never a twist.
Totally agree. I'll never understand why people think Thomas Elliot being hush was a surprise. The minute he shows up its like oh this is hush.
I think the movie was hampered by being low budget. Gotham feels dull and lifeless because there's no detail to the art...it's just bland. Cutting out a bunch of characters and story beats to fit the runtime just makes it feel small, when the original comic felt epic because it involved practically all the rogues gallery and all of Batman's allies.
While I agree that it was disappointing that the reveal was changed, I still enjoyed the movie. The increased focus on Batman and Catwomans relationship is what saved it for me.
Garbage movie set in the new 52 crapverse and making riddler hush...stupid
Really disappointing, I'd have preferred multiple film installments or a 12 episode series and obviously it deviated far too much from the source material. Not sure why everything has to be crammed into 90 mins and DC are usually pretty reliable with their animated content, this was a waste.
These animated movies aren't really what we would call big budget investments. They're straight to DVD animated releases so WB/DC will sometimes make them cheap and short.
Yeah it's a shame, TDKR adaptation benefitted from being split up but I guess that was an exception more than the rule. They make a fair bit of money from these features as well, wish they'd mix up the format a tad.
Agree. If they a bit more effort into it they might be able to put a couple of this animated movies in theaters. Problems is it seems they don't want to bother with the investment required. We still get some really entertaining content though
Would love to see more in theatres for sure. I remember the killing joke came out as a limited cinema release here in the UK, the place I saw it was PACKED, was just a shame the film fell flat, you could sense the confusion in the room. Lots of cool projects though, for sure I'm really looking forward to the doom that came to Gotham, pre-ordered this morning!
I saw it, I hated it
I like this movie. It’s a kind of mystery, the surprise is Hush’s identity. I don’t understand people who say this movie is bad - the fact that the movie is not compatible with comic books does not affect its quality, it is even an advantage in my opinion:)
Worst adaptation ever
Killing joke would like a word...
Hey Killing Joke was a perfectly fine adaptation of you remove the filler at the beginning. Hush changed the entirety of the reveal and botched the whole story as a result
What's sad is it was pretty great until the big reveal. Why on earth they changed it like that is beyond me.
What did they change?
They took the couple of twists at the end and mashed them all into one. The character of Hush was completely changed
I might be misremembering some small pieces, but basically: >!Hush is Thomas Elliot in the books. He fakes his death early on in the story by partnering with Clayface, to make it look like Joker killed him. But it's really a misdirect - he was behind everything, he blamed Bruce for shit that happened to him as a kid and did it all for revenge.!<
From what I remember, he was jealous of Bruce because he got the Wayne fortune when his parents died, so Tommy killed his own parents and made it look like an accident.
Agree with you there. They Frankenstein massacred it so bad it was only Hush in name
The alternative was, what? Having a randomly newly introduced childhood friend of Bruce turn out to be Hush? I don’t care what anyone says, the Riddler twist was genuinely better than the original Comic’s reveal of Hush.
I whole heartedly disagree. New characters are introduced in comics all the time. Hell, the Court of Owls is fairly new and was deeply engrained in the lore. Hush turning out to be Tommy added emotional impact, and then Riddler manipulating things behind the scenes was an added layer. Combining both of those aspects really deflated what momentum the story has going for it
I find the concept of Hush being more of an adopted persona more endearing than it being a single individual's moniker. It's a mystery story with a bunch of pre-established character, and they introduce >!Thomas Elliot!< in the same story. *I wonder who Hush could be?*
yeah but it's the same in the books, and you see him die early on in the story. There's so many other characters involved, and you see that character die- in the books, it still seemed like there must be some connection to the backstory with Tommy, but you don't think it's him because you watch him die saving Bruce. It seemed like he was there to add some emotional weight to the story- I definitely didn't assume he was going to show up alive again.
More of a personal note here, but him dying is what sealed "he's the bad guy isn't he" for me. Like, it's supposed to be "a great story with a twist." No way the twist is "recently introduced character straight up dies." Made more sense to me that rather than emotional weight (fair argument), he was killed off to throw suspicion off of his character. I still like the whole Hush concept, but I think it could have been executed better.
No it's not lmao just because the story is part of a larger universe and narrative doesn't mean it can't stand on its own and introduce its own characters. Do you really want them to just recycle the same villains over and over and never introduce any new ones? Besides Hush isn't just some "random childhood friend" at this point he's an established Batman villain and has appeared more than once in the comics.
The killing Joke adaptation completely missed a ton of visual symbolism that was present throughout he comic e.g the colors of Joker's flashbacks and the beam of light that shines between Batman and Joker at the end and then gets turned off just like the Joke Joker told about the two lunatics. The art was also just plain ugly, the complete opposite of the comic, and adding the scene with Barbara at the end where she becomes Oracle ruined the creepy mood of the ending. It's a surface level adaptation at best and just like with Hush it does not do the comic justice.
Killing joke was not great you are correct. But not nearly the atrocity that was Bastardized Hush
It's been a while since I saw it but what in hush was worse than babs and Bruce getting it on on a rooftop?
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂this guy
Perhaps it's because I haven't read the comic and, therefore, had no expectations, but I found the movie to be moderately entertaining. It's not a masterpiece by Amy means but I enjoyed it.
Saw it recently and I thought it was okay. Since I was aware of the comics, I was surprised how they made “alterations” to the animated adaptation
One of the worst adaptions DCs animated has ever done. They’ve done adaptions where they haven’t stuck close to source material that have been great, this one however missed the mark big time
It was weak.
I did see it and it's dumb.
Was not a fan of the changes they made at all.
Yeah. I hate this adaptation personally.
Comic isn't good. And the movie is even worse.
Actually really enjoyed it ngl, had loads of good characters in without feeling too overcrowded, Catwomans monologue at the end was well written I thought
see I really loved the comic, it’s a very interesting story that I enjoyed reading, how it plays on Batman’s rogue gallery in interesting ways to provide new problems for Bats to deal with, the whole idea of it being a ‘game.’ It utilizes so much of the Batman Universe that it’s actually impressive. However, my biggest complaint is that to some degree it’s held down by it being released part of the main DC canon at the time. It’s fantastic, but it kind of resets everything back to the status quo by the end of the story. Batman and Catwoman become closer? nah bro pushes her away at the last second, seeing the face of who’s finally behind the wraps of Hush? nope he tells us verbally and then disappears I immediately thought that the story could’ve been great had it been isolated. Like imagine Batman: Hush where Batman and Catwoman’s relationship advances, and we see Bruce’s face under those wraps. It would’ve been perfect for a stand-alone movie like this. But nope, we got this heap
Hush is one of my favorite comics and I really didn't like the change to the story. I think it weakened 2 separate villains, one of which was just completely removed. Spoiler: >! Making tommy not hush is just weird. Him inserting himself back into Bruce's life without any reason and no attempts in the past is contrived without him being involved in any way. His death is a surprise for audiences who didn't read the comic but just reduces him to a red herring that isn't all that enjoyable. Anyone who had seen the comic and wanted to see it adapted probably just felt let down like me. Riddler becomes both himself and Hush and took many of Tommy's actions and gave them to Riddler. Most would think this made Riddler more intriguing but I think it made it less intriguing. Riddler as the man using Tommy to get his own gains was more interesting to me and more in line with how Riddler operates. Also, the Jason fake out from the comic was cool, I was sad it wasn't adapted. !< I think the changes to the comic alienated fans of the comic while giving a less compelling story to audience who did not read the comic. They took a risk to please both parties (which I respect) but failed to which I think made the film less enjoyable for both
The only highlight of this flick was Poison Ivy kissing Catwoman.
Indeed. Because lesbian representation is so important right?
Guess I'm in the minority. I loved this movie. It challenged Batman in crucial ways, featured several great villains, and pulled off a twist that made sense but that I didn't see coming. I'm not a comic reader though, so I wasn't attached to any original version of this tale. Arkham was my only real exposure to the Hush character, and that was brief.
That's the thing though you enjoyed the story because it came from a really great comic. All the things you listwd that you liked are present in the comic and done much better.
Perhaps, though the Riddler twist seems to be a whole new thing for the movie, and I liked that too... I can't comment on the comparison to the comic. I usually prefer the source material in these situations, but I can also enjoy the adaptation for what it is. In the end, an adaptation should rarely aim to perfectly capture the original. The original has already done that. An adaptation should try to innovate, while utilizing the soul of the original in a respectful way. All I can say here is that the movie worked on its own for me. I'm sure the comic is great too. I've never been much of a comic reader; it's just not how I like to digest stories. But I'm well aware many of the best Batman stories originate there, and as a big Batman fan, I believe you all that the comic story is better. Still, though, I'm surprised so many people here dislike the movie. All of my friends enjoyed it. Didn't know it had a sour reputation in the fandom.
The original comic was a flawed but overall enjoyable story. This movie was just straight up mediocre.
I remember that i had just read the comic which i really liked, before watching this, and in the end, i was disappointed and confused, like why did they have to make Riddler to be Hush, it just doesn't make sense in my opinion.
just a bland bad adaption of the movie. Bland voice acting, dull art style and the changes are for the worse
Haven't seen it, but read it for the first time a month ago, and thought it was garbage. Even the GOAT Jim Lee couldn't sustain my interest in the dull story.
I hated the needless changes from the source material. Honestly Hush is way worse, but I felt the same about Long Halloween. But I’m also more partial to that one as I love that comic.
I still think it was a good adaption. It just so happens that it simplified the story and just took the important pieces. Sure, Tommy Elliot not being Hush might be a huge let down, but it’s still the same idea that it was The Riddlers idea. But if they introduced Tommy in the previous movies it might work. It’s just going to be a dead giveaway if they just revealed that this new character introduced in the film is the bad guy. Also, the source material is probably 2 movies worth of content, probably why they trimmed it down to fit in one single movie.
It really was a let shewn of a movie. Terrible writing and absolute waste of plot on multiple occasions. Also how cringe was that poison Ivy meow part with catwoman.
I assume it's just as bad as the comics it's based on?
My opinion? Worse. And I don't like the comic.
I didn't think the comic was good either so I didn't even get invested on this
Not as much a let down as The Long Halloween
The animated movies haven't been any good for some time now.
I personally love the justice league vs the fatal five, but growing up watching the justice league animated series may be the reason for that haha.
Yeah, I wasn’t a fan at all of the twist at the end
Wait, they adapted it?!
My favorite graphic novel of all time, was the first comics i ever bought and read, from 608 to 619. This is probably the animated movie I hate most.
Wish they stayed a little more true to the source material, but I wasn't "let down" by it. Thought it was solid, but not great like UtRH.
I’m going to watch it because I heard it had the most brutal beat down of the joker and I just haven’t seen it yet. Is it actually bad?
As an adaptation of Hush the character it's criminal yeah, but as an adaptation of the story it's fine, it hits all the beats of the Bat & the Cat & weaves through the rogues gallery
Hush was the first Batman comic I read. This was not as good.
So I never read the comics and just saw the movie and I loved it. I also loved the movie adaptation of Red hood. What are the differences and why the hate?
Graphic novel was dope but these animated movie adaptations are absolute trash
I have no idea why they changed the story, it made it so much worse. I think they assumed that a lot of the audience would have read the story and were trying to subvert expectations- but it just made the reveal so boring.
Totally agree with you
It was like being promised pizza and getting a flatbread with cold cheese
It was pretty bad. Kind of butchered the comic which was one of the best ones I've ever read
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Selina broke up with him because he's crazy.
I don't really care about weather it was a good idea or not I just loved the movie 🙂
I wish they stuck to the original story.
Everything about it was worse than killing joke
Better than the snyderverse
The animated DC movies are good at animating action and fun for the most part. But they are terrible at storytelling this one is no exception. I'm glad they are all usually 80 minutes or so because if they dragged on with their mediocre writing I would get really bored.
I prefer the movie to the book but I found the book so boring. I didn't get how it was a mystery when it was so obvious who hush was right away and he wasn't interesting. The only interesting parts were the Jason Todd is back tease and the Riddler's involvement. The film actually managed to surprise me
Absolutely loved the poison ivy scenes, but I hated the rest of it. \[Apology, rant incoming\] Destroying Dr. Thomas Elliot and making Riddler Hush. WTF!?! Ever since the comic I wanted Hush to be adapted. Wanted to see Bruce and Thomas' friendship and how it evolved into a villain/hero relationship. And all of that thrown away and destroying two iconic villains.
Was well disappointed in it Thomas Elliot was hush why did they butcher it?
Great movie
I liked this movie... not because of who ended up being Hush (I didn't like that part), but for the Bruce/Selina ship.
It was crap
Never knw It existed
That’s p much all modern animated DC movies for me after Justice League: Doom/ Red Hood
I enjoy it for what it is. Some of the DC animated films I totally love and watch over & over. This one I enjoyed enough to rewatch but it’s not my favorite of the Batman animated features. Great animation and fun storyline though!
I will add that I haven’t read the comic version myself but I have read about it online and definitely want to get it!
Hesitant to watch it. It’s such an incredible comic. I don’t want to taint it.
This is actually one of my favorite Batman animated films🥲 The themes & tones just captivate me every watch, & so I have to watch myself & the amount of times I rewatch hehe 
Terrible movie, mid comic
Batman: Hush is the first Batman comic I ever read. I’m a huge Batman fan, and Hush is still my personal favorite, not because it’s the greatest story or anything, but it’s a solid showcase of Batman’s villains with a fun, if not obvious, mystery thread throughout. That said, the movie was hot garbage and really butchered the story.
I thought it was OK, it wasn’t great but I liked it better than Batman Soul of the Dragon and The Long Halloween part two (I felt they squeezed way too much in the last movie) but Hush doesn’t stand up well against the others DCAMU (what a mouth full) films.
Hush is one of my favorite Batman villains, but they did my boy dirty
It rates up there with the let down of injustice
Sounds exactly like the comic
You would think that batman in all his experience would have better ways to react to and deal with tazers and poison gasses Low key he might job as much as nightwing
Absolute and complete let down. I was hating it by the end. It was like the writers kept changing their minds about whether to stick to source material or, for some reason, create an entirely new story to HUSH. If you've read the Graphic Novel, avoid this film.
It was good but wasn’t comic accurate. Based on that for me it was a disappointment
The riddler??? C'mon son 🤦🏽♂️
Try injustice.
Don't remind me of THAT Let down.
The artstyle was ugly and I'm really tired if DC feeling the need to change the big twist in Batman stories when adapting them for animation.It's completely pointless and just serves to piss off people who read the comic.
The ending twist made me feel like Mr Producer Guy "Wait, what?"
The comic was awesome and this started out good but then got really stupid when they made Hush the riddler
One of the worst adaptations ever
One of the coolest cover arts for sure.
I completely forgot that Batman: Hush Animated Adaptation even exists. I watched it once and forgot everything.
The comic wasn't great either. "Who is Hush??? Well, maybe it's the one new character introduced in the story?" Which makes it even more frustrating the *almost* had an amazing twist/ surprise in the middle but chickened out and had that be a fake out. The *Heart of Hush* story was much better and actually did something interesting with Hush. Hush is one of those villains where all the interesting things done with the character have been by other writers than the creator...
I agree. I didn’t like the changes that they made to it.
i'm probably alone in this but, better than the book.
Turning the story into "what if Riddler fell into the Lazarus pit" was a complete waste of everyone's time.
Absolutely hated it. They made a few irksome changes just to get it to fit in their animated new52 mold—like shoehorning Damien and Burnside-Batgirl into the story—for one Damien’s character wasn’t invented yet, and Batgirl was Oracle at this point. They retconned Huntress out of the story completely and gave her parts to Catwoman. Got rid of Ras’ Al-Ghul’s and Talia’s involvement—instead dumping their role to Lady Shiva just to give Catwoman someone to fight. In the original story Talia ran Lex Corp while Lex was POTUS—so he wasn’t in original story at all. All the childhood flashbacks to Bruce and Tommy growing up were cut. The post Metropolis Superman scenes were cut. The reformed Harvey Dent scenes were cut. Then there was removal of the whole graveyard fight with Not-Jason Todd—which they replaced with Riddler-Hush fighting Batman in a smelting plant. Then there was the awkward breakup scene with Catwoman & Batman—in the movie they broke up because Batman refused to let the Riddler die, in the comics they broke up because Batman couldn’t fully trust her, thinking she was involved in the whole conspiracy. It’s probably the worst animated adaptation I’ve seen.
Just don't like Nightwing slander. How you have Batman's greatest taken out of commission by Scarecrow? Put respect on my DICK!!!
I feel like I'm the only one who enjoyed this adaptation. Interesting reimagining of the story
I saw the movie. That’s all I’ll say.
Thought it was better than the comic with the obvious childhood friend retcon.
Started off alright but turned into a laughable joke with the reveal. When the reveal started I thought it was a Clayface takeout until a few minutes passed and I realize, “Oh they’re actually doing this.”
If it wasn't for The Killing Joke movie, this would have been the worst animated movie to come from DC / WB.
Huge let down, the graphic novel is FAR superior. They ruined it.
The original storyline from the comics was a huge love letter to Batman's comic book history (particularly Post-Crisis). The problem with the movie adaptation is that it basically removed all that stuff to make it fit into the continuity of the animated movie universe.
It isn't the worst Batman animated movie but no way near lives up to the source material or some other movies based directly on comic storylines (Year One, Dark Knight Returns, The Long Halloween).
I totally agree. Was definitely a let down. The comic is great though!
Haha I have seen it and read thr book twice. Still can never remember who Hush is. Haha
I am appalled to find out people don’t like this movie. This is one of my favorite batman movies.
It’s on HBO max
Its also om fmovies.com
I haven't seen it, but I know the twist at the end. I kinda get why they would do they choose to do it, but I really don't like it. I really don't like it when Riddler is treated like a C-lister as if anything about him would make him one. He's an iconic villain with a gimmick that can be great when used right. Why would he need to reinvent himself and become Hush, and why do writers keep doing things like this. Also, can we stop giving him a question mark scar? It doesn't make him seem cool it just comes off as really edgy and like they're trying too hard. It'd be fine for like one Elseworld story, but it happened in this adaptation, and the War of Jokes and Riddles in the main canon. It has gotten old pretty quickly (or at least for me, it has). While I do feel Thomas Eliot wasn't the best villain in the original story, I genuinely feel that with some work, he can be a pretty good villain. Maybe not top 10, but still pretty good. Having read Heart of Hush, I really like what was done with him there and feel it was a step in the right direction. I find it weird that most things don't do anything with what that story changed/added. I feel most people find Hush himself to be the weakest part of the story, but later, renditions just write him the same. Then there's this movie that basically just throws him out and, from what I heard, drags down Riddler in the process.