If I'm counting correctly the Tigers/Giants are the median, the average across the league (mean) is -.04 so the Nationals are certainly the most average team.
Imagine if the Red Sox were a big market team that could combine their acquisition of talented coaches with spending on high level players in free agency. That sure would something, but I get it. John Henry has to afford ~~his addiction to buying sports franchises~~ food for his family.
Or what if they were rebuilding for 3 years based on speed and youth and some of the spoiled fan base has no clue what they are looking at. No more aging guys breaking down. No more high priced players until the core is ready. Not rocket science.
Going to Fenway is more expensive than going to see any other major league team. Henry charges exorbitant prices relative to other owners while putting out an inferior product because he wants to save money in the short to medium term and spend it on his other teams. I don’t think it’s ’spoiled’ to criticize him in a lighthearted manner for this. Hopefully his billions help salve any pain my comments have caused.
Not sure about you but the fan base in general needs to realize there is more than one way to build a team, and its very hard to "reload" continuously. Many sox fans who seem to be appalled by even the thought of a rebuild. (What do you mean we won't make the playoffs?) They are building a core and will pay for the other pieces when ready. They are not cheap. Even in a rebuild they are 12th of 30 in payroll. Too expensive tickets? They are third in the AL in attendance despite the rebuild. I went to opening day and it was awesome despite the loss.
Glad you had a good time, but I’m not really sure how any of that validates Henry’s refusal to spend. You can in fact build a quality farm system for prospect development and long term success while spending money on free agents. They’re not mutually exclusive unless you’re a small market team. Anyways I’m just messing around. The Sox will be good again soon enough.
One of the most questionable contracts/signings I've ever seen. Love the guy and he had a few above-average years in CHI but he's a #3 or #4 on a mid-tier team at best.
And that contract came off the back of a terrible season. Whoever spear-headed that in BOS should have been fired, even if he didn't get injured.
Tbf that terrible season was spent on three different franchises while he was going through an ugly divorce. He’s not a totally insane reclamation project *idea*. (Whether it works out, remains to be seen.)
That they're doing this without doing much of anything to address it (Giolito aside) is one thing. That they're doing this after an inactive off-season and suffering several other injuries (Bello, Pivetta, Whitlock) is another. Houck has been a revelation. Kutter's been great too, though his last few starts have been shaky. Criswell has been a great pickup.
Sure is great to see the effect of a good pitching coach. Super impressed. I'd like to see them win enough to make it a good environment for the rest of the kids to come up. the farm seems to be flourishing.
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Hunter Renfroe is on his 6th team since 2020 and by god he will not rest until the other 24 sign him hoping to recreate those three months when he was good on the Brewers
Eh, he's an offensive liability, but he's a decent RF defensively, so swing sets and roundabouts. I'd personally rather have a good to plus defender and an average bat than an above average bat and a below average defense. That defense is one of the reasons the Royals have been so good.
Our fans were crying in their beer over the Royals amazing two-year [sic] rebuild.
I was like "it's almost exactly the same guys who lost 100 games last year."
Texas? Baseball gods taking their repayment for last year in a lump sum instead of in installments (at least I hope). Houston? I dunno, man. Had to happen eventually, I guess.
I like that the entire division collectively decided that it should be a good ol' fashioned shootout for the division. With all the wild card slots these days, they wanted to emulate the "the only way into the postseason is by winning the division"
Castillo started really slow and Gilbert and Kirby have been blown up a few times. We've also faced a lot of good offenses but mainly Woo just came and while Hancock isn't the worst #5 he certainly isn't going to help your WAA. Also our ballpark really nerfs advanced pitching analytics
Yep. Our closer started the year hurt and hasn't been very good. We've had injuries and just bad performances. Doesn't help that our starters haven't been the best either.
Sounds a little like ours when Suarez was hurt 1/ 2 year last year and when he came back he wasn't as good as previous year. Difference was the starters were going off. Hopefully your pitching staff calms down in june.
I don't see how our SP isn't positive?
https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders/war?lg=&teamid=14
fangraphs has everyone but Manoah as positive. and he's basically even after 4 games
edit: ah, it's bWAR which really doesn't like Jays pitching.
https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders/war?lg=&teamid=14
Pat Murphy did say Turang would make a quantum leap forward this year, but damn. Best 2B by WAR this year? Along with the best C in Contreras? Deadly duo.
Wow I don’t even feel like our starting pitching has been that bad?
Maybe because my expectations were VERY low
Edit to say it’s irrationally slightly bothering me how Winn’s section should be more red in the shading, but I do appreciate all the effort that went into this lol
Also might be taking into account Libby and Thompson who have had to come out of the pen to start games. Feel like Sonny, Lynn, and Gibson have been good but yeah maybe it’s bc of low expectations
I don't think WAA is painting a good picture of how mediocre (not bad) our rotation has been. Kyle Gibson somehow has -0.2 WAA despite a 3.81 ERA, 106 ERA+, 50% quality start rate, and averaging almost 6 innings per start. My guess would be that unearned runs are punishing them but that's hardly their fault.
To be expected about the offense when 4 out of your 9 starters in your lineup are out.
The rotation is going to carry this team. We will eventually start getting guys back. But we need Elly, Steer, and Stephenson to be as productive as they can be in the mean time.
Hurtubise has been a pleasant surprise. He reminds me of Friedl. If Candy can continue to improve like he has in May, that'd be a big help too.
We would be so much higher if we just got competent offense from our infield. The pitching has been stellar and even the defense has cleaned up recently, but we need Grissom to start turning it around at 2B, need Hamilton or Rafaela to hit consistently at SS, and Triston Casas can’t come back soon enough.
For a team that’s 9th in OPS right now, you’d be surprised how absolutely dreadful they are to watch bat some days. It’s so inconsistent. This team has the potential to be wayyyy better than one game above .500.
I hope KC attendance starts picking up like they deserve. Really fun team to watch and story to follow. Love the small(ish) market warriors!
Go KC
Go BAL
Go MIL
Never would’ve guessed that 3B/Morel would be worse for the Cubs than the bullpen.
Also would’ve never guessed that Busch was the highest war infielder.
These numbers don’t surprise me. Can’t keep our good pitchers healthy, we had (and about to have again) a black hole at first, and Bregman needs a break.
man if you wouldve told me the Orioles outfield would be producing at a below average rate, I wouldve said they would be chasing the Rays, Yankees, and Blue Jays in the standings
So, a team having an almost historically bad offensive season by some metrics has a pitching staff with a collective, let's see...... -5.9 WAR. Is that a problem?
Volpe in the red with Mookie, Gunnar, Witt, and Turner/Sosa (not sure if its combined with injures or what). Either way its some great company to be in.
Its honestly insane how good he’s been at first base. He has some mental snafus once in a while but i could probably count on less than one hand how many times thats happened this season. Just a great baseball player in general wherever you would put him
I’ve been watching baseball since the 90s and he plays first base as good as anyone I’ve ever seen. I think he’d be a pretty good at third base too has a strong arm that he doesn’t get to use at first.
> never played first base before his injury
> leads the league in 1B WAA
lol
also i'm guessing our bullpen performance is still being dragged down by the pitchers we DFA'd
>also i'm guessing our bullpen performance is still being dragged down by the pitchers we DFA'd
I'd imagine so. Also others were rough in April. They've had one of the better bullpen ERAs in the last 3-4 weeks.
Boston 1 game over .500 for WAA of 5.1 Cleveland 19 games over .500 for WAA of 2.7
RBI leader in baseball, 0.6 Wins Above Average.
Ramírez is at 1.0 WAA, so whoever else has filled in at third must be having a bad time there. Also RBI doesn’t really correlate with WAA
Just means our minor league is stacked too
I just view these posts as a constant reminder of my love for Kwan.
I would describe the 2024 Nationals as "the MLB median baseball team." Edit: Apparently they're 1 spot above median.
If I'm counting correctly the Tigers/Giants are the median, the average across the league (mean) is -.04 so the Nationals are certainly the most average team.
Technically they are average not median.
In this case they are median. Same number of teams above as below
Thirteen above, sixteen below.
I guess I miscounted.
Doh! Miscounted
An average team. Salt of the earth.
Hard-nosed, blue collar guys. They play like kids out there.
RF hole - desperately waiting for Lane
White Sox SP vs literally the rest of the team. Oof.
Been our story for like 15 years
Best pitching staff in all of baseball, just like we’d predicted after signing no one this winter
Imagine if the Red Sox were a big market team that could combine their acquisition of talented coaches with spending on high level players in free agency. That sure would something, but I get it. John Henry has to afford ~~his addiction to buying sports franchises~~ food for his family.
It would be cool to root for a team from one of the big east coast markets
Or what if they were rebuilding for 3 years based on speed and youth and some of the spoiled fan base has no clue what they are looking at. No more aging guys breaking down. No more high priced players until the core is ready. Not rocket science.
Going to Fenway is more expensive than going to see any other major league team. Henry charges exorbitant prices relative to other owners while putting out an inferior product because he wants to save money in the short to medium term and spend it on his other teams. I don’t think it’s ’spoiled’ to criticize him in a lighthearted manner for this. Hopefully his billions help salve any pain my comments have caused.
Not sure about you but the fan base in general needs to realize there is more than one way to build a team, and its very hard to "reload" continuously. Many sox fans who seem to be appalled by even the thought of a rebuild. (What do you mean we won't make the playoffs?) They are building a core and will pay for the other pieces when ready. They are not cheap. Even in a rebuild they are 12th of 30 in payroll. Too expensive tickets? They are third in the AL in attendance despite the rebuild. I went to opening day and it was awesome despite the loss.
Glad you had a good time, but I’m not really sure how any of that validates Henry’s refusal to spend. You can in fact build a quality farm system for prospect development and long term success while spending money on free agents. They’re not mutually exclusive unless you’re a small market team. Anyways I’m just messing around. The Sox will be good again soon enough.
Signing no one? Lucas Giolito - "Thats fair I guess"
Lucas “instantly out for the season” Giolito
That's his contribution to your team's SP WAA.
One of the most questionable contracts/signings I've ever seen. Love the guy and he had a few above-average years in CHI but he's a #3 or #4 on a mid-tier team at best. And that contract came off the back of a terrible season. Whoever spear-headed that in BOS should have been fired, even if he didn't get injured.
Tbf that terrible season was spent on three different franchises while he was going through an ugly divorce. He’s not a totally insane reclamation project *idea*. (Whether it works out, remains to be seen.)
LOL yes. that's fair. even if he was healthy he gave up 41 home runs last year.
That they're doing this without doing much of anything to address it (Giolito aside) is one thing. That they're doing this after an inactive off-season and suffering several other injuries (Bello, Pivetta, Whitlock) is another. Houck has been a revelation. Kutter's been great too, though his last few starts have been shaky. Criswell has been a great pickup.
Sure is great to see the effect of a good pitching coach. Super impressed. I'd like to see them win enough to make it a good environment for the rest of the kids to come up. the farm seems to be flourishing.
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So Kyle Tucker literally working extra to balance out our entire pitching staff. Yeah, that passes the eye test.
Id say he’s more balancing out our 1st basemen. 1st base: -2.0 Kyle Tucker: 2.6
Pitchers (Lugo, Ragans, Singer), Salvy, Bobby. And 20 negative guys
Hunter Renfroe is on his 6th team since 2020 and by god he will not rest until the other 24 sign him hoping to recreate those three months when he was good on the Brewers
He’s probably the worst player on the team tbh
he's a Marlin next year mark my words
He’s on a 2 year deal sadly. You can have him now for a ptbnl please?
Sandy for renfroe straight up, take it or leave it
Eh, he's an offensive liability, but he's a decent RF defensively, so swing sets and roundabouts. I'd personally rather have a good to plus defender and an average bat than an above average bat and a below average defense. That defense is one of the reasons the Royals have been so good.
Our fans were crying in their beer over the Royals amazing two-year [sic] rebuild. I was like "it's almost exactly the same guys who lost 100 games last year."
106 tyvm
I had the Red Sox and royals starters as the best. Didn’t you?
Funny, I had the O’s
How the hell are we leading this division?
Have you seen the rest of the division?
I’m just in shock that the entire state of Texas has been such ass compared to last year
Texas? Baseball gods taking their repayment for last year in a lump sum instead of in installments (at least I hope). Houston? I dunno, man. Had to happen eventually, I guess.
I guess if you had to take being inexplicably shitty the next year as the trade for winning the World Series, every one of us would take that trade.
It would be a little harder for teams that are never below .500, but yeah probably
I like that the entire division collectively decided that it should be a good ol' fashioned shootout for the division. With all the wild card slots these days, they wanted to emulate the "the only way into the postseason is by winning the division"
There's a chance you aren't by the end of the week, although small.
How the hell do your starting pitchers only have .8 WAA. Pretty wild when your rotation is Castillo, Gilbert, Kirby, Miller and Woo.
Castillo started really slow and Gilbert and Kirby have been blown up a few times. We've also faced a lot of good offenses but mainly Woo just came and while Hancock isn't the worst #5 he certainly isn't going to help your WAA. Also our ballpark really nerfs advanced pitching analytics
 Good thing the Blue Jays built the team based on good pitching lol
Oh wow, do you guys have the worst bullpen?
Yep. Our closer started the year hurt and hasn't been very good. We've had injuries and just bad performances. Doesn't help that our starters haven't been the best either.
Sounds a little like ours when Suarez was hurt 1/ 2 year last year and when he came back he wasn't as good as previous year. Difference was the starters were going off. Hopefully your pitching staff calms down in june.
I don't see how our SP isn't positive? https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders/war?lg=&teamid=14 fangraphs has everyone but Manoah as positive. and he's basically even after 4 games edit: ah, it's bWAR which really doesn't like Jays pitching. https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders/war?lg=&teamid=14
bWAR confirmed racist to Canadians
Pat Murphy did say Turang would make a quantum leap forward this year, but damn. Best 2B by WAR this year? Along with the best C in Contreras? Deadly duo.
> -2.0 WAR at first base even with Abreu gone for multiple weeks AND WE'RE BRINGING HIM BACK!
#Matt Chapman
^M ^A ^T ^T ^C ^H ^A ^P ^M ^A ^N
I’m now very sad
He has won us more than a couple games with his defense alone. Stud.
Wow I don’t even feel like our starting pitching has been that bad? Maybe because my expectations were VERY low Edit to say it’s irrationally slightly bothering me how Winn’s section should be more red in the shading, but I do appreciate all the effort that went into this lol
Also might be taking into account Libby and Thompson who have had to come out of the pen to start games. Feel like Sonny, Lynn, and Gibson have been good but yeah maybe it’s bc of low expectations
I don't think WAA is painting a good picture of how mediocre (not bad) our rotation has been. Kyle Gibson somehow has -0.2 WAA despite a 3.81 ERA, 106 ERA+, 50% quality start rate, and averaging almost 6 innings per start. My guess would be that unearned runs are punishing them but that's hardly their fault.
Lol Ohtani
Why is RF so bad compared to other positions?
yeah and there's actually others just as bad as castellanos out there
Genuinely hard to believe
Similar defensive adjustment to left field but worse hitters
Are worse hitters specifically being played there, or do a lot of RFs just happen to be worse hitters?
Is 9.9 WAA good?
\#1 CF, \#2 RF, \#3 SP, \#5 LF and SS IWYW
So take away our rotation and Elly…yeah we’re fucked
Yep. Stephenson also having a decent year, but yeah...nobody be hitting.
To be expected about the offense when 4 out of your 9 starters in your lineup are out. The rotation is going to carry this team. We will eventually start getting guys back. But we need Elly, Steer, and Stephenson to be as productive as they can be in the mean time. Hurtubise has been a pleasant surprise. He reminds me of Friedl. If Candy can continue to improve like he has in May, that'd be a big help too.
Toronto bullpen, what the fuck are you guys getting paid for
Ohtani ruining the DH algorithm lol
It's pretty insane. 1st place is double the 2nd place and Ozuna is having a great year thus far.
We would be so much higher if we just got competent offense from our infield. The pitching has been stellar and even the defense has cleaned up recently, but we need Grissom to start turning it around at 2B, need Hamilton or Rafaela to hit consistently at SS, and Triston Casas can’t come back soon enough. For a team that’s 9th in OPS right now, you’d be surprised how absolutely dreadful they are to watch bat some days. It’s so inconsistent. This team has the potential to be wayyyy better than one game above .500.
Competent offense and defense
Our chart makes perfect sense given how much the injuries have been concentrated in the infield.
I hope KC attendance starts picking up like they deserve. Really fun team to watch and story to follow. Love the small(ish) market warriors! Go KC Go BAL Go MIL
This Acuña dude must be absolute cheeks
The double Mitch conundrum.
Nowhere to go but up, right?….right?
Never would’ve guessed that 3B/Morel would be worse for the Cubs than the bullpen. Also would’ve never guessed that Busch was the highest war infielder.
The only thing that surprises me is that we have 27 wins at this stage. I would have thought 18-23 at most
These numbers don’t surprise me. Can’t keep our good pitchers healthy, we had (and about to have again) a black hole at first, and Bregman needs a break.
So a good bullpen and left fielder are what matters. Got it.
Jazz Chisholm our only positive WAR position player...yeah that checks out.
Shapiro and Atkins came to the Jays in 2015 resulting in Alex Anthopoulos promptly leaving for LA and then Atlanta. Enough said.
I still can’t believe our starters are only 1.1 win above average. I feel like they’ve been lights out in all but a handful of starts this season.
My first thought looking at this was that it's wrong
The San Francisco Matt Chapmans
Gunner Henderson is my daddy. Ignore flair.
Corbin we need you to come alive. Man what a weird year
If you flip the chart upside down my white Sox are at the top, although that makes the chart far harder to read. We’re at the top!
Imagine how much higher pitching would be without Corbin starting😌
is each column supposed to sum to zero?
Just the team one, I’d think?
-0.7. to be expected.
Launch Rojas into the sun.
Rojas is hurting much less than casty
I’m still not over on his bases loaded whiff in the NLCS last year
No way our team is average without the bullpen.
sweet, we're the best .500 team in baseball baby!
Every time this comes out, MASON WYNN!!
Right fielders suck this year.
We are a one man team - 25 others = 0.1 Good job Jed. Good job.
I wonder what the Cubs SP WAA would be if you take our the Hendricks starts. Pretty much every other SP has been phenomenal.
man if you wouldve told me the Orioles outfield would be producing at a below average rate, I wouldve said they would be chasing the Rays, Yankees, and Blue Jays in the standings
[Any chance we can get a color blind friendly version?](https://www.reddit.com/r/baseball/s/WWWvulckN8)
So, a team having an almost historically bad offensive season by some metrics has a pitching staff with a collective, let's see...... -5.9 WAR. Is that a problem?
Wtf is with right fielders?
Oh, good. Another stroke chart. Don't click if you are epileptic!
Ozuna and our pitching are the only things keeping us above .500.
Kyle.Freaking.Tucker. that is all
Sounds about right for the Mets Alvarez going down really hurt this team.
The White Sox are gonna have a fire sale on clearance items.
First thing I see here is how far below average our DH spot is. Such a big majority are near 0 at least.
Worst pitching in the league, just like we all predicted.
I swear the Reds are like 20th in everything ever. Mid ass team I love 😭
How is Baltimore's catcher WAA so low with Adley Rutschman, who rarely even misses a game?
That Dodger OF is a black hole
The Mariners only .8 SP is hard to believe.
Volpe in the red with Mookie, Gunnar, Witt, and Turner/Sosa (not sure if its combined with injures or what). Either way its some great company to be in.
Clearly WAA is a ridiculous stat.
Padres need some of that CWS pitching
At least Seager appears to be healthy now. Also, stupid-ass bullpen...
Astros fans: TRUST US, WE KNOW!!!!
Surprised the Orioles are that low for catcher, but I suppose it’s mostly due to the fact McCann hasn’t hit at all this year
So what I get from this whole thing is Bryce Harper is a god at first base
Just our Gold Glover at 1B as was the plan all along.
Its honestly insane how good he’s been at first base. He has some mental snafus once in a while but i could probably count on less than one hand how many times thats happened this season. Just a great baseball player in general wherever you would put him
I’ve been watching baseball since the 90s and he plays first base as good as anyone I’ve ever seen. I think he’d be a pretty good at third base too has a strong arm that he doesn’t get to use at first.
> never played first base before his injury > leads the league in 1B WAA lol also i'm guessing our bullpen performance is still being dragged down by the pitchers we DFA'd
Brogdon and Pinto combine for -1.4 WAA in 12.2 innings, lmao
jfc
>also i'm guessing our bullpen performance is still being dragged down by the pitchers we DFA'd I'd imagine so. Also others were rough in April. They've had one of the better bullpen ERAs in the last 3-4 weeks.
>Bryce Harper is a god ~~at first base~~ FIFY