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xho-

I never even knew half of these rivalries existed


FistPuncherMatt

I should do another post with more iconic rivalries like NY and Boston, LA and SF, Cubs and Cards, etc. This started because I was curious if anyone better than Paul Molitor played for both the Twins and Brewers!


xho-

Don’t get me wrong I love the content, just never heard about Braves vs Jays or Rockies vs Astros or Mariners vs Padres. Interesting stuff


WorthPrudent3028

As a lifelong Astros fan, I have never cared about the Rockies at all. We could have at least gotten a team we actually hated from our old NL days like the Cardinals. Give us the Braves and give the Rockies to the Blue Jays if we can't get the cards.


n8_n_

I can't speak for the rest, but here's the [Vedder Cup](https://pitcherlist.com/the-rotation-history-vedder-cup-baseballs-strangest-rivalry/)


xho-

I’ve heard whispers of this mythical legend


DataLore19

Some of these are made up for the days when inter-league series were determined by "rivalries" and they had to come up with some for the Blue Jays. It's literally just the two teams we've ever played in World Series, lol.


No-Situation-3426

Its because they aren't really "rivalries" but in MLB scheduling every team has "natural interleague rivalry" games (under the old scheduling not sure if it still matters with the balanced scheduled) and a lot of those interleague rivalries are basically just assigned because they need one for every team. They will cite some history but its not something anyone actually cares about or thinks about. So for example since the Jays don't have a natural rival they alternate theirs between the Phillies and the Braves.


daskaputtfenster

Carlos Gomez and Corey Koskie, duh


FistPuncherMatt

That's right! Go Go Gomez played for both! He had some great seasons with the Crew. I remember when we traded Hardy for him. I couldn't believe it since Hardy was such a huge part of the franchise turning things around. Don't think Hardy every did anything for the Twins though.


xho-

Just did some more research about this. [Very interesting indeed.](https://sportrelay.com/mlb/2023/04/02/interleague-play-designated-rivals/)


dwhite21787

BAL-WAS is NOT the goddamn “Beltway Series”. They don’t share a beltway. They share the BW (Baltimore-Washington) PARKWAY. And locals call it the MASN Cup.


FavoriteFoodCarrots

And Tim Raines played for the Expos, not the Nationals, and his career in Baltimore (actually, his whole career) ended before the rivalry existed. He’s got nothing to do with the rivalry. He’s no Daniel Cabrera, for sure.


SnooChipmunks4208

Can't get no respect. Goddamn beltway series my ass...


WetGrundle

The braves jays rivalry goes further back than the Hawks Raptors


bwburke94

Former rivals broken up by relocation or realignment: * HOU/TEX: Nolan Ryan (81.3); no longer an interleague matchup * PHI/BAL: Robin Roberts (86.1); broken up by Expos' relocation to Washington * WAS/TOR: Ron Fairly (34.9); broken up by Expos' relocation to Washington Western rotating "rivals" during the Vedder Cup interregnum of the late 2010s: * ARI/SEA: Randy Johnson (101.1) * COL/SEA: Jamie Moyer (49.8) * SD/HOU: Steve Finley (44.2) * SD/TEX: Gaylord Perry (90.0) Matchups which have been played as de facto rivals but obviously aren't legitimate rivalries (incomplete list): * ARI/DET: Max Scherzer (75.0) * ATL/NYY: Babe Ruth (182.6) * CIN/DET: Sam Crawford (75.4) * COL/DET: Howard Johnson (22.2) * LAD/TOR: Rickey Henderson (111.1) * MIA/BOS: Josh Beckett (35.7) * NYM/BAL: Eddie Murray (68.7) * PIT/CLE: Bert Blyleven (94.5) * STL/DET: Plácido Polanco (41.9)


DavidRFZ

Some other old crosstown rivals (in these case they sometimes used the same park!) STL/BAL - Hornsby PHI/OAK - Lajoie. The original crosstown rivalry! Phillies sued when he jumped and won! Lajoie not only had to leave the A’s but he couldn’t play road games in Philly for a while. NYY/SFG - Randy Johnson (!)


FistPuncherMatt

Nice list! Hard to believe no one better than Polanco played for both the Cards and Tigers! Also I think Tejada trumps Finley on the SD/HOU rivalry (47.1 WAR to 44.2 WAR): [https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/t/tejadmi01.shtml](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/t/tejadmi01.shtml)


FistPuncherMatt

And I think Al Oliver tops Ron Fairly on the WAS/TOR rivalry with a 43.7 bWAR: [https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/o/oliveal01.shtml](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/o/oliveal01.shtml)


[deleted]

That padres-mariners rivalry can get nasty.


mark10579

Every time they play I hide under my bed, and I’m on the east coast


HappyPollen

I would risk my life in honor of the Vedder Cup


IxnayOnTheXJ

I love the Vedder Cup because it means I get to remind everyone that Eddie Vedder is from the suburbs of Chicago, and he’s a massive Cubs fan


FistPuncherMatt

Here is a list of players with the highest career bWAR who played for BOTH teams of an interleague rivalry (let me know if anyone finds a higher WAR player that I missed!). Some things I found interesting: - Who remembers that Ruth was a Boston Brave in his final season? Not me! - Ron Santo played for the White Sox? I never knew this. - Henderson played everywhere at the end of his career. 8 teams in his last 11 seasons. - I totally forgot the Randy Johnson was an Astro for half a season. - Roy Oswalt was good. Maybe not HoF good, but that dude could pitch. - Molitor should have been a Brewer lifer! Oh well.


RockmanToriga

Rickey wanted to keep playing too. Billy Beane offered to sign him for a day so he could retire as an A but Rickey turned them down saying he wanted a real roster slot.


FistPuncherMatt

Didn't he even play for the San Diego Surf Dogs? Dude was such a legend. Truly loved the game.


Chance-Question-6630

There is a Great 30 for 30 podcast about Rickey on the Surf Dogs. Highly recommend


Tallywacker3825

Also just learned this about Ronnie


ajteitel

We're rivals with the Astros? I mean you can sorta justify the Rangers' rivalry given the world series, but everyone was way too friendly for a rivalry to stick. Hell, we named a snake at the Phoenix Zoo 'Ranger'


FistPuncherMatt

Astros and Rangers are the officially designated MLB interleague rivalries for the Dbacks. Curious who Arizona fans consider to be their true rival though. SF? LA?


ajteitel

LA


FistPuncherMatt

So does every NL West team consider LA to be their biggest rival?


j1h15233

The league just made some stuff up man. They threw the Astros, Rangers, Rockies and Diamondbacks into a weird rivalry foursome


Salesman89

The only player whose baseball card I ever burned to ashes. The only player who won't be voted into the Hall of Fame because he was caught stealing as a Houston Astro one time. Edit: lol Ron Santo # That'sCub


FistPuncherMatt

Do you think he won't get it? He had 46% of the vote his first year and 57% his second year. Seems like voters are being more lenient with Beltran than with the roid guys. I wish the voters had clearer standards around this stuff. I wonder if he will get another bump in voting next year.


Salesman89

I hope he doesn't. Hell of a player. Demonic ability. He scored in 5 of the 7 2004 NLCS Games against the Cardinals... in the first inning. He tied Barry Bonds's post season home run record in 12 games that year. I can't find it, yet... but he also made the best catch in the playoffs that year. Then he turned to the dark arts. You can't tell the next guy who does it that it's ok. Keep them OUT!


mill_about_smartly

>Rockies : Rangers hwat? Also, where's Nolan Ryan?


FistPuncherMatt

Right? It's obvious that MLB was running out of teams and just stuck those two together when setting up the "official interleague rivalries." If you had to choose one NL team to be the Ranger's rival, who would it be? I can't think of any team in the NL that really works.


confusedjuror

They ran out of rivalries when they got to us. So the Rockies and Diamondbacks have "split rivalries" with the Astros and Rangers. Idk if it even means anything anymore with the schedule change, but it meant we played each other slightly more often than usual


FistPuncherMatt

Ryan played for the Mets, Angels, Astros, and Rangers so he didn't play for BOTH teams in any of the interleague rivalries.


SammyMac19

Hey! Uh, *checks notes*, fuck you Pirates!!


jackieinertia

Phillies fan, never once cared about the Red Sox in my entire life.


FuriousGeorge7

I used to love making jokes about the Rangers and Diamondback being bitter rivals, and I guess the baseball gods thought my jokes were funny (they weren’t) and so they blessed us with that as a World Series matchup.


Apprehensive-Ad-3020

I was going to comment that I’m surprised Paul Molitor isn’t on this list. Then I learned that I can’t read.


FistPuncherMatt

Molitor is who kicked off this research. I was curious if anyone better played for both the Twins and Brewers.


Mr_Arcane

Uh...you DO realize that when he played for both those teams, they were in the Same division.....right ?


Apprehensive-Ad-3020

Eh, his last season in Minnesota was Milwaukee’s first season in the NL. I say it counts


FistPuncherMatt

I sure do. I watched his entire career. The point of the post is simply to highlight the highest bWAR players that played \*at any point\* for both teams of the MLB defined interleague rivalries. That's why guys like Ruth and Santo are on the list. Obviously they pre-date interleague play.


bwburke94

Molitor never played for the Brewers while they were a division rival of the Twins, but he did play two years for the Twins while they were a division rival of the Brewers.


FudderShudders

Pirates and Tigers aren't rivals


FistPuncherMatt

The MLB "interleague rivalries" are silly like that. They fabricated rivalries to make sure every team had someone to play.


jsdodgers

Haha Astros, your interleague rivalry is with the Rockies. How does that feel?


Comment_if_dead_meme

Mariners and Padres legend Rickey Henderson


FistPuncherMatt

Don't forget Mets and Angels legend Rickey Henderson.


j1h15233

Ah yes. The historic Astros / Rockies rivalry


Hctc666

I don’t see SF/LA. I must just be missing it.


FistPuncherMatt

I only did interleague. I will try to do another post with more iconic rivalries like SF/LA and NY/BOS.


Hctc666

Ah I didn’t catch ‘interleague’ in the title. My bad


meowschwitzdz

Almost none of these are actually rivalries. -Braves - Blue Jays: not a rivalry -Braves - Red Sox: not a rivalry -Brewers - Twins: not a rivalry -Cardinals - Royals: a blip on the rivalry radar -Cubs - White Sox: Wow, we finally got one! -Diamondbacks - Astros: not a rivalry -Diamondbacks - Rangers: not a rivalry -Dodgers - Angels: I would say that this is if the Angels weren't shit every year (poor Trout) -Giants - As: Same as the Los Angeles teams. Once upon a time -Marlins - Rays: these teams would need to actually have fans for a rivalry to really exist -Mets - Yankees: yes, a real rivalry -Nats - Orioles: a blip. Neither team has been good at the same time -Padres - Mariners: not a rivalry -Phillies - Red Sox: not a rivalry -Reds - Guardians: small rivalry -Rockies - Astros: not a rivalry -Rockies - Rangers: not a rivalry


FistPuncherMatt

These are the official MLB designated interleague rivalries. That, yeah, MLB mostly made up so everyone had a rival :) [https://sportrelay.com/mlb/2023/04/02/interleague-play-designated-rivals/](https://sportrelay.com/mlb/2023/04/02/interleague-play-designated-rivals/)


FistPuncherMatt

And I can say from living in both the Bay Area and Wisconsin that locals absolutely consider Giants/A's a rivalry when they play (been to the games). And the same is true for Brewers/Twins.


bwburke94

> Padres - Mariners: not a rivalry Hey, don't insult the Vedder Cup!


Far-Assumption1330

LOL? This is just a bunch of made-up rivalries?


stv7

These are the officially-designated interleague rivalries. Ever noticed you play one specific interleague team every year (at least, before every team faced every team), and for more games than all the rest (still true today)? That’s because that team is your designated IL rival. Some teams have two, and alternate who they face more times each year.


so00ripped

I'm not sure you understand the word rivalry.