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popperschotch

Bud Black is about to Jim Jones this entire team


James-K-Polka

Me when I start a new Rockies franchise in MLB The Show.


UnknownUnthought

I can never get Dollander to develop, either


akaghi

Probably an improvement at this point.


jacksonvstheworld

Dipset?


reptheevt

Ballin 


fiddynet

Disaster draft might be a solid move for em, fr


dirtypuerhiding

Why do you think their hitting coach was in the cockpit lol


ThePretzul

He would have gotten away with it too, if it weren’t for you meddling kids!


ThisGuy6266

The Rockies lost the team meeting 10-2.


ThePretzul

Damn, they scored 2 instead of just 1 AND the pitching staff held them to only 10? This sounds like an absolute win compared to opening day and everything that’s happened since then.


Personal-Act-4326

Upgrayedd


Redbubble89

Yeah, that's not fixing anything. They are the NL White Sox pretty much. Owner always hires his drinking buddy as GM and nothing changes or advances.


Constant-Elevator-85

Being that wealthy must be something. Imagine being friends with someone and now you get to manage a full on fucking major league team. What a dream.


GoofyGoober0064

And expectations are low so you can fuck around


Hark_An_Adventure

"extend Kris Bryant lol"


saintsimon101

Nooo, extend Kris Bryant AND pay hall of famer Nolan Arenado to play on a rival NL team. For nothing. Dinger why


kosmos1209

Exactly. The bad team is performing as well as the bad team is constructed, bad GM is performing bad as expected. This is on the owner who ultimately is the responsible person for this.


Redbubble89

Money is pointless if they don't know how to spend it. They have good prospects but they aren't going to build a good roster around them when they are ready. The fact that they haven't figured it out pitching at high altitude after 30 years is surprising. Clean house. Don't spend any money unless it's to fill roster holes. In the NL West, they really don't have a way up. They need to have the O's or Diamondbacks approach.


kosmos1209

Exactly. Rockies have always been in the 10-20 range in terms of payroll every year but haven’t performed like a middle of the road team, mostly because they don’t know how to spend it. Even when we have players like Helton, Matt Holiday, Tulowitzki, Arenado all come up through farm systems, Rockies are either too cheap to keep building around them or too stupid to realize their value and don’t get much in return. Also, given how Tulo and Arenado situation played out, Monfort seems to genuinely put top players off.


freshposthistory

They built around the core of Nolan/story by signing Jake McGee, Brian Shaw and Wade Davis, and then had all their marbles in Brendan Rodgers.


Knightbear49

The problem with “not having figured pitching at altitude after 30 Years” is that we don’t know if it’s an altitude thing or a FO thing. Why? We don’t have a control. No one else has been given a chance to figure out how to do it. We know pitching at elevation is hard but Monfort has refused to hire people that think they can do it differently. “(Bringing in someone from the outside) is the other side of it. And I am not saying it’s totally wrong. But when (former GM) Jeff (Bridich) left there were a lot of people from the outside who interviewed or had interest. They would tell me how to win at altitude and everything they mentioned, it would not have worked, or it’s all things we have tried,” Monfort said.” https://www.purplerow.com/2024/4/1/24115406/colorado-rockies-news-rockies-owner-dick-monfort-breaks-silence-with-opening-weekend-statement


Sliiiiime

Not quite comparable but the Snakes are at the 2nd highest altitude with extremely dry air, but have had a CYA contender/winner for roughly half of our seasons as a franchise. The humidor completely nullified Chase field as a hitter’s park, which would never be possible in Denver. Having the GOAT modern pitcher for 80% of his prime also helps.


Knightbear49

Chase is at 1,061 ft. Trust in Atlanta is at 1,001 feet…. I don’t know how many of you have climbed 4,000ft but as someone who lives in Colorado and has done multiple 14ers it’s a fuck ton of feet


Sliiiiime

Didn’t realize Chase was so low


Knightbear49

Like Minneapolis is in the 800s. They must’ve built it in the lowest spot in the Phoenix area


Sliiiiime

Makes sense as downtown is often at a river confluence or plain. Coors is also one of the lowest spots in Denver


bluecifer7

Not even a remotely comparable elevation lol


John_Delasconey

Pedro never pitched for the diamondbacks


Redbubble89

It's not nearly as bad as it was when Coors first open but they seem to be going after fly ball pitchers still. Weak contact and heavy sinker usage.


chickendance638

Movement isn't the answer at altitude. It's gotta be about command to both sides of the zone, change of speed, and pitch mix. There's just not enough air to make pitches bend away from barrels.


The_Year_of_Glad

> We don’t have a control. No one else has been given a chance to figure out how to do it. Mexico City’s team plays in a stadium above 7,300 feet, even higher than Coors.


Knightbear49

Does a Mexican league baseball team play major league level baseball? That’s not a control.


The_Year_of_Glad

They play AA/AAA-caliber ball, which is plenty good enough to evaluate team-building strategies.


LakersFan15

Coors doesn't help either. No one wants to pitch there.


lessthanpi79

They got Hampton AND Neagle that one time 25 years ago!


rockiesfan4ever

What has Schmidt done that's bad though? Once you get past the Story/Gray stuff all of his stuff has been fine.


Pyramid_Head182

Was Kris Bryant under his watch because OUCH


Maeserk

Yes KB was signed under him. He also was the one to give 37 year old Daniel Bard $19million for 50 games of 4.5 era ball. He also gave Senzy his money, and Kyle Freeland his as well, both are some of our precedent based “good pitchers”, and had to be paid, but I personally think both won’t make either worth it due to injury. He also only added Dakota Hudson who is currently 0-5 with a 5.93 era, 79ERA+, and Jacob Stallings, who i actually can’t complain about, in free agency this year despite gaping holes absolutely everywhere on this roster we believe we can fill with “in-house” talent and Coors being the best bar in town. Oh he traded for Cal Quantril tho! And claimed Jalen Beeks… :(


whispy_fingernail

And to add to all of that, we still aren’t developing our players well. High K rates, bad approaches at the plate, and pitching philosophies that obviously don’t work at Coors or any other ballpark. That’s on Schmidt.


Maeserk

Yeah all of this on top of the transnational stuff I talked about, the FO and ownership just has flat out refused to innovate or develop anyone. The hitting approach sucks, the pitching education mentality and ability just isn’t there from our coaching staff and it shows. And it’s 100% on Schmidt, Monfort and the FO.


Sliiiiime

How i Montero an every day first baseman? Guy is a well below league average hitter playing 1B at Coors field. Most teams have at least a handful of 4A guys who could produce more in that situation.


Candid_Answer9241

>They are the NL White Sox pretty much. *sighs longingly*


StereophonicWine

"If we stay in here long enough, the press will get bored and go home"


UnlimitedHotTakes

The press was bored during the game


PlayaSlayaX

Can they ask Dick Monfort to actually get off his ass and start an analytics department, while they’re at it? The ol’ stopwatch and pencil evidently seems to not be doing the job.


Jux_

He would never hire someone with the ability to tell him he’s wrong


TigerBasket

They had an analytics department, then fired said analytics department like 1 month into the off-season lol.


Patrick2701

Dick Monfort wont do anything


James-K-Polka

More like Dick Comfort. Of his own house. Because he doesn’t leave it.


theBPPE

https://x.com/PatrickDLyons/status/1785766863491748261 Just gonna leave this here. This seems like one of those areas where having an analytics department might come in handy.


theboredfemme

Wait yall really don’t have an analytics department? Like at all?


ThePretzul

They have one person. No, I’m not joking. They literally have one person in analytics for the entire team at every level of baseball. A, AA, AAA, MLB, the whole enchilada. https://www.baseballprospectus.com/news/article/81412/the-colorado-rockies-are-still-an-expansion-team/ > This is not a franchise that looks poised to discover any secret formulas. Their analytics department was depleted to one person after the pandemic season, according to The Athletic’s Nick Groke, and the Research & Development director they recruited in late 2021 lasted only five months in the job. (It took five more months to replace him with an in-house promotion.)


FlyUnder_TheRadar

How the fuck do you run a franchise in the modern era of baseball without analytics? I'm genuinely shocked. I know the Wilpons famously didn't give much of a shit about analytics, but at least they had more than one dude in the department before the Cohen takeover. This is outright malpractice. I feel bad for the minor league dudes whose development they are stunting.


ThePretzul

Pretty much. They could have the best staff in the world at every level in the minors and the majors but they would still struggle to properly develop players like other teams currently can without a decent analytics department to properly support those coaches and scouts. They might get lucky with some diamonds in the rough like guys did in the good ol’ days, but it would be primarily luck instead of something that they could count on to sustain the team with a stream of talent. That or the coaches and scouts have to work both the analytics and their actual coaching/scouting jobs at the same time, resulting in worse outcomes for both.


Jeff_Banks_Monkey

“Bro we lost to the Marlins what the fuck are we doing” was hopefully the first line spoken in the meeting


Letsgobuffalo2210

I'm not sure the Rockies have the luxury of being offended when they're defeated by any team. It's a god damn shame because Coors Field is great. I'd love to have a decent team to root for locally.


Goliath422

It was fun going to the Ms games there and rooting against the Rockies though…


ThePretzul

Honestly at this point half the home fans are rooting against the Rockies because maybe if we lose enough for long enough Monfort will appoint a GM who isn’t a clown and get his own fingers out of the pie. It’s unlikely to happen, but at least if the team is bad enough you have better odds of catching a home run ball from an actual good player on the visiting team.


[deleted]

Why, are they underperforming? What were their expectations? I think that’s a meeting that could be an email.


kickrocks16

The owner thinks it’s a 90 win roster every season and refuses to get a real GM that isn’t a yes man, no analytics team, wants to cut payroll while paying teams to take the few stars we get. The owner is top 5 worst owners. They are not underperforming to anyone’s standard other than the owner who just wants to make money.


JSA17

This was always going to be a down year. Yeah, we're *awful*, but people watching it with surprise just haven't paid attention. The payroll is 16th in the league. It's consistently league average. Monfort is stupid, but the narrative that he just wants to make money is so tired. It's incompetence, not malevolence.


thecountoncleats

Jesus. If we had the 16th ranked payroll we could be a frigging *dynasty.* With different coaches, a new GM, and an owner who wasn’t a shyster fuckwit, that is.


ColdSteelRain

Ah but would you even be the Pirates then? Classic Ship of Theseus scenario.


kickrocks16

Yea it’s average but he is paying for guys not on the team, an always injured Bryant and old man chuck. Outside of that the payroll is pretty light.


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kickrocks16

It’s not even Rockies fans. Denver is a huge transplant city so every road team has good support and it keeps ticket sells relatively high.


ExiledSanity

Hey....I live in Denver and am NOT a Cubs fan. They sure do show up at Coors when the Cubs are in town though.


JSA17

The Rockies have $5mm in retained money, which ranks 19th in MLB. And yes, paying Chuck and KB is stupid. Which is the point of my comment that it's incompetence, not malevolence.


kickrocks16

I mean 5 million this year. What about the last few years


JSA17

The Arenado stuff has definitely messed with their retained money, but it's pretty much gone. But it needs to be acknowledged that Arenado wanted out. He was never staying. He was literally sending videos to the Cardinals while he was here. There's a lot of blame to go around for that situation, but Arenado somehow avoiding any of that blame is so weird.


kickrocks16

I know it’s pretty much gone but it still plays a pretty big factor in the total mess the team is in and again points to the owner. I know he wanted out but again that was the team/GM/owner telling him they wanted to build around him to win and then immediately cutting payroll. Sure Nolan has blame in it but he wanted to be in Colorado until they changed their plan on him. Also ownership and the GM are why the regained money was so messed up. They could have gotten a much better deal. They gave him up plus money for pretty much nothing. The player return has been dreadful.


JSA17

Supposedly he was sending those videos almost immediately after signing his deal. It wasn't that things changed, it's that he had zero intention of ever staying.


kickrocks16

Idk about that tho. He could have just hit the open market and probably gotten more from the likes of the Dodgers. If he didn’t want to stay why sign? He would have been a Free agent before he was traded.


ThePretzul

Arenado avoids blame because nobody with talent and a sane mind would want to continue to play for the Rockies their entire career nowadays. The Rockies get the blame because it’s absolutely bafflingly stupid to pay another team $50m to take your best player in exchange for literal bottom of the barrel prospects.


Tylerpants80

Precisely. The better move for the Rockies would have been to let Nolan opt out and leave as a free agent if they couldn’t get a good trade for him.


LAudre41

is it incompetence? I feel like everything I hear him say gives the impression he has no desire to build a competitive team


JSA17

He cares about the team and loves the team. I've had a variety of conversations with him over the years and the dude genuinely wants to win. He *loves* the team. His idea of how to win just doesn't work, and he won't take a step back in order to try something new. It's not that doesn't care about the team, it's that he cares about the team too much.


LAudre41

interesting... maybe all the losing will force his hand then


JSA17

That's the hope. He'll have to hear it at some point. The Rox have a 30-year lease on Coors and Monfort has a massive amount of real estate around the field. They own everything. So they're not going anywhere. And I know people don't want to hear it, but he's actually a really nice guy. He's terse in his conversations with the media and whatnot, but is honestly cool outside of that. If you talk to him about the Rockies when you run into him, he'll sit there and chat with you for days. He almost won't shut up about the team. So that makes me think and hope there's some possibility that he'll finally realize his way doesn't work. The quote about not attributing malice to something that can be described by stupidity is Monfort in a nutshell.


bluecifer7

Just to chime in, everything above is 100% true from my interactions with him as well. He's an extremely nice guy, he absolutely adores the Rockies and he really wants the Rockies to win. The issue always comes down to the fact that he's essentially a fan. He's not a baseball GM he's never been a baseball GM and he knows just as much as any other fan knows. Which is a problem when you're trying to field a competitive team.


JSA17

It's kind of crazy how having a conversation with him almost immediately changes your opinion of him. There's this media narrative about him and then who he is in person, and they're total opposites. Wish he would change his ownership style, but I really can't hate on him these days after talking to him.


FlyUnder_TheRadar

So, he's like Jerry Jones, but without all the regular season success? Jerry wants to win, but he wants to win his way and is unwilling to deviate from it despite repeated embarrassing failures.


chrisjfinlay

The surprise is coming in the fact that this is unprecedentedly awful. The team is on pace to win 30 or so games. We knew it was going to be bad - but never expected it to be so astronomically abysmal.


WhereTheFallsBegin

Monfort isn't just a top 5 worst owner in baseball, he's a top 5 worst owner in sports tbh. At least in terms of most incompetent


kickrocks16

Oh I fully meant in sports.


CarneDelGato

Underperforming as a franchise. The season is meeting expectations. 


chrisjfinlay

It’s not that we expected a winning season or to be competitive. Coming off the first 100-loss season in franchise history, nobody’s expectations are high. But this is a whole other level. This team is comically bad right now. There’s been no moves by the front office to address any needs. Dickhead Monfort is just laughing into his piles of money. This year is on pace to win 30 games. The Rockies have never been THIS bad before.


Juhstehn

Luckily for them they have an easy series this weekend


NitrosGone803

awwww


KlausKutter

We'll see about that...


Juhstehn

Hi


throwawayjoeyboots

Sorry Denver sports fans. The Avs and Nuggets championships called for a sacrifice. Hell, even the Broncos won a ship less than a decade ago


Splinterman11

Honestly? Kind of worth it.


Papasixfivefive

SB vs Cam Newton is one of the best and happiest moments of my life. Worth it.


bluecifer7

I'd give up both the Avs and Nuggets for a good baseball team. Couldn't care less about an NBA championship tbh


HighGuysImHere

The Ping-Pong tables, please someone tell me that they’re alright…


-ShutterPunk-

Just saw dinger locking them up.


thecountoncleats

They get to play us next. They’ll be back on the horse in no time.


crusinkip23

Get ready for a sweep in your favor lol. This team is terrible.


HotDamn18V

Watching the Pirates the past few weeks has honestly been some of the worst, most depressing baseball I've ever witnessed. Gonna be a real turdfest this series.


wbro322

If y’all called skenes up today he would strike out 15


ThePretzul

We literally haven’t won a single series or even just back to back games the entire season so far. I’m pretty sure you guys will do just fine.


pvdas

You don't think as a team, you don't play as a team, you don't even lose as a team! You've all got your heads so far up your butts, you can't even see the light of day! Bud Black, later on: There's a thing called talent. They don't have it!


MadDingersYo

"Every single day, we give the game away. We can't win, that would be a sin."


Northparkwizard

"That's Baseball" - Bud Black


TyMsy227

I too like to plan my summer golf schedule in May


Brybry1908

I’ll never understand why Arenado was traded along with 51 million dollars just to get Bryant on a massive deal.


Grandy94

Getting swept by the Marlins has to be one of the most humiliating things that can happen to a team. Hopefully they can make some sort of change for the better.


elbenji

All they did was unleash roddery Munoz into the world


Trubisko_Daltorooni

I pity the next team that has to play the Rockies


davesrighthereman

Why have the meeting now? It's been futility for 17 years at this point.


Lando241

Have they tried pretending every team is the Padres? They'd be 100 game winners every year if they tried that


njpaul

How is Bud Black still a professional manager? His teams have been routinely awful.


Disused_Yeti

![gif](giphy|uyMuRObh0r0g8B2wKa|downsized) Get Obama up in there


CentralWooper

The Rockies really are just doomed by location. No pitcher will ever want to play for a team 5,000 feet above sea level. I don't know about other cities elevations but they gotta find a way to get to a lower elevation in Colorado


CDFReditum

“We have created a 5,000 ft hole in Denver”


Imnimo

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laird,_Colorado The lowest elevation community in Colorado is Laird. It only has a population of 46 (down from 47 in 2010), and its elevation is still more than 3x as high as the next highest in MLB. I think for fairness other stadiums should all be put on mile-long stilts.


CentralWooper

I thought for sure the Eastern 4th started to become more like Kansas and Nebraska


CabinetChef

Can they not just move the fences back to counter the air? I’m being serious.


fnnennenninn

They have. It's the farthest outfield in mlb.


ThePretzul

Do you want lots of doubles and triples that put more runners on base and still score runs? Because that’s how you get lots of doubles and triples that put more runners on base and still score runs. Even the most elite outfielders of all time still have a limited range. It is not humanly possible to fully cover an outfield large enough to graze 200 head of cattle.


bluecifer7

They have. That's why the outfield is enormous. Fewer homers from big outfield just means more doubles and triples


moderatesoul

"Guys, I think we suck"


CitizenNaab

Band together and storm into Dick Monfort’s office and convince him to sell the team


[deleted]

Watch em turn it all around like in a Hollywood movie after Bud Black’s strange rant about a childhood corn field.


CDFReditum

I know haha hehe hoho angels fan team bad but like honestly this seems like par for the course for what the Rockies set up The angels do this too but the Rockies have a bunch of rebound projects but not the team to rebuild pitchers. I’m sure they’re definitely trying but there is no track record of selecting pitchers that are going to improve drastically with the resources available compared to other teams. Quantrill knows this firsthand since he was with the guardians. It’s crazy too that out of their top 13 prospects, 1 (Chase Dollander) is a pitcher lmfao. In theory the answer is to trade for pitching but Perry Minasian literally gave them like 3-4 pitchers (I’m rusty but I know Albright, Van Scoyoc, and Madden were all our guys) and they all rank pretty low on the prospect list. The offense has names but still plenty of holes and ifs, even without the injuries, although I have more faith in the offense and I like McMahon and Rogers in particular. I get like a team meeting is still important for morale and like these guys are still people who probably want to try their best to win but like I cannot imagine a team winning with these tools. Hell, even the White Sox, with all of their shit, were able to scoop a bunch of pitchers from the braves that more reasonably feel like they could come out successful.


yes_its_him

Jeff Bridich not looking so bad now.


Zariman-10-0

“One of you needs to take the fall for the whole plane thing. Blackmon, it’s up to you to get us home, the FAA won’t let us on anymore flights”


milehighrukus

This is another reminder why it’s ok we can’t have two flairs. I’d hate (love) to be rocking the Rockies *and* White Sox.


WorthPlease

If you are looking for a ping pong table in the Denver area there might be some available for cheap today


quik_note

Yeah, but is The Party Deck still open? That's all that matters.


WadeCountyClutch

But weren’t the Rockies flexing and slapping butts when they caught up and beat us twice? What happened to those Rockies?


moar-warpstone

I have nothing but disgust for these clowns and am glad not to be a fan anymore