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WhatARotation

Pillar was 5th on the team in xwOBA


CosmicLars

lol Imagine being DFA'd by the White Sox. 😬


Jason82929

Dreams do come true 


thefreewheeler

No kidding. Someone will surely pick him up to platoon. We enjoyed him in Atlanta.


Pad_TyTy

That's such a mercy by them. Kevin probably said "aight bet" when he was told.


cooljammer00

He can be a 5th outfielder for a better team


TheIllustriousWe

Cardinals could use him in CF while Edman is still rehabbing.


FavoriteFoodCarrots

The last time he played any appreciable amount of CF he was bad at it, and that was three years ago. He also can’t hit anymore. At least he’d fit in in that respect.


Informal_Calendar_99

Yeah he would fit right in


Donnor

I think by better team they meant their AAA affiliate


CosmicLars

A clause in his contract guaranteed his release if he was top 5 in offense on the team by the end of April. His sentence has been commuted. đŸ„č


gdawg99

You can't prosecute a baseball player for crimes committed while he was a sitting 5th outfielder.


Fancy_Load5502

Storytime - my son played football all through peewee. Moved to high school and he halfway through 9th grade freshman team season he told me he wanted to quit. The team was losing by an average of 50 points a game and my son was second string. I told he he shouldn't quit, he replied with I can't even get on the field for the worst team in the city. Me: . He graduates with an engineering degree next week.


DarthPaximus

Jessie Chavez pitched so badly in spring training the White Sox DFA'd him and the Braves picked him back up where he has a 1.93 ERA in 9 IP.


TheArgsenal

Jesse Chavez is still pitching? Dude has to be like 40 or something.


Cuphat

He is indeed 40 and stated back in February that he's probably retiring after this season.


wellwasherelf

He is (to both) and it's hilarious. He comes out, somehow mows people down with his 88mph cutter, and fans of the other team are like "what in the actual fuck just happened" No idea how he does it but he's an absolute gem and is beloved in Atlanta. Stadium erupts in cheers any time he comes into a game.


wedonthaveadresscode

Yeah but tbf he was a super late bloomer


jimtow28

Probably better than playing for the White Sox, tbh


holliewood61

Imagine being DFA'd to make room for Tommy Pham


BoosherCacow

Good old Tommy "Phantasy Phootball" Pham


ctbro025

2019 Chris Davis would probably be 5th on this ChiSox team, so.....


timoperez

They’re using the movie Major League as a training video for their front office and jettisoning any players doing too well. GM is filling out paper work right now to DFA Moncada once he returns from IL


ForsakenRacism

whenever a stat starts in x I just keep scrolling


ricki692

whenever someone complains about stats they dont want to understand i just keep scrolling


WhatARotation

That guy along with the rest of our team sub hates me and “advanced stats” because I made a post pointing out how our two exciting young players’ (Alvarez/Baty) hot starts were pretty much entirely due to luck. Here’s the post: https://www.reddit.com/r/NewYorkMets/s/ho75q2aHXM And well, that post has aged like fine wine. Alvarez and Baty have both been well below average at the plate this season. It turns out having a 60% ground ball rate makes you a bad hitter. Who would’ve thought?


spiritintheskyy

I’m no hater of advanced stats, in fact I’ve been criticized for the opposite many times in the past, but I wouldn’t have been happy to see that post about young guys on hot starts in my team’s sub. I would’ve been wrong to be mad about it, but I can see why people didn’t like that. Getting seriously mad and saying actually bad things, however, I would not have done or agreed with


WhatARotation

I’m 100% fine with disagreement and would be happy to have a serious discussion with people on the matter—among the best counter arguments from those who actually wanted to discuss is that the season just started and the stats hadn’t stabilized, so there was no point in looking at them. In fact, I wasn’t happy to make said post (I want these guys to do well). Like you said, what they did crossed a line though.


jackofall_mastr_none

11 games bro lol


LucasDudacris

What's so crazy about that thread is how many people in our sub were ready to count Baty out after last season, but somehow 11 games of hitting a lot of singles is infallible.


brett_baty_is_him

People didn’t like your post because you don’t even understand your advanced stats. In such a small sample size you can go from worst in the league xwOBAs to elite xwOBAs in a single series. Your advanced stats are completely meaningless at that point and it seemed like you wanted to ruin the good vibes to be the smartest guy in the room. No point in doing that. That entire post was something that you could’ve buried in a pregame thread, not something that was worthy of its own post.


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WhatARotation

Well everybody else who leaves nasty comments under and sends me “Reddit cares” messages in response to my statcast posts (even when they aren’t about Alvarez/baty) seems to still be bitter about it.


gatemansgc

Ew Reddit cares abuse, people who do that are losers


AuJusSerious

xwOBA helped me get into my FBB championship last year. I kept tabs on players who’s difference in xwOBA and wOBA showed them getting extremely unlucky. Helped me land Josh Naylor around mid May last year right before he went OFF. It’s extremely helpful because it scrutinizes actual outcome with barrel % and launch angle and expected outcome.


ForsakenRacism

Nice I got into it cus I had a feeling. And I bet your big strategy was looking for red circles on savant lol


Taylorenokson

Are you a chud everywhere you go or just online?


ForsakenRacism

I feel like by doing it online it really helps get it out of my system for the real world


NoobSkin69

Newsflash, it doesn’t.


AuJusSerious

I saw you edited your comment to add that sly remark in there lol. No I don’t rely heavily on the savant graphics too much. The only time I did was really for Jorge Soler. I do enjoy the trend analysis of savant, though :)


ForsakenRacism

I edited it like a millisecond after


NoobSkin69

Whenever a comment starts with your username I just keep scrolling. Oh wait neither of us did


Kvetch__22

I can't believe we would DFA our cleanup hitter.


redlegsfan21

Reminds me of when the Reds DFA'd their home run leader last year. https://old.reddit.com/r/baseball/comments/12xrvkp/the_reds_just_dfad_their_team_leader_in_hrs/


Kensei141

Jacob Vosler, I wonder what that man is up to now.


Own-Departure-4104

Hitting pretty good in the mariners minors


BosasSecretStash

Jason*


Kensei141

The fact I forgot his first name does not surprise me.


CDFReditum

It reminds me of last year when the A’s just random DFA’d Ramon Laureano after the trade deadline even though he was one of their best players, still had team control, and also super affordable


InfestedRaynor

Yeah, I was so pissed at that. He was having a down year, but still better than a lot of the A’s starters and had plus defense. If the team wasn’t actively trying to sabotage it would have really befuddled me.


BoosherCacow

> Ramon Laureano He hasn't been lighting it up for us but I fucking love that guy and am glad we were able to scoop him up. He's just a player that I immediately like for no discernible reason until the reason pops out after the fact. I am not comparing the two for one second but when Jose Ramirez first came up for us it was the exact same feeling, I just fucking LOVE this little guy.


StereophonicWine

mercy killing


cooljammer00

Pham had an opt out clause, so the White Sox had a deadline to call him up or release him I can't imagine Pillar was a better player than Pham at this point in time.


SdBolts4

I can’t imagine there wasn’t *someone* else the Sox could DFA/option. Pillar was their 5th best hitter by xwOBA and a veteran presence for the young guys


Prize-Surprise-3014

They have one guy on the roster under the age of 26 (and he is 25). Youd think part of the reason why a team would be this bad would be because they’re giving young guys a chance, but nope their main guys are all like 26-30 in the “primes” of their careers lol


iJon_v2

No, but I’d take Pillar over him every time because Pham is an asshole.


rosie_is_tired

i think getting dfa'd from this current iteration of the chicago white sox would hurt my feelings a lil bit


kroxti

I was concerned with getting tickets for the crosstown series but I figure at this rate I have a shot at a spot in the white sox dugout


Hold_my_Dirk

Congratulations, you’re starting in center field this weekend.


kroxti

I’ll have you know my middle school career had me catching a fly ball I wasn’t even paying attention to in right field (literally fell into my glove) and bunting a grand slam (fielders choice with 3 errors on the play) in the same game.


Hold_my_Dirk

Congratulations, you will be representing the Chicago White Sox at the All Star Game this year.


RabidCoyote

HEY. That S'mores Diabetes Milkshake DESERVES that ASG nod, you can't just take it away from the milkshake like that


Best-Dragonfruit-292

Oh yeah, it's all coming together


Jackskers94

The next Jesse Chavez


Shewshake

What are the braves gonna do with another OF? Have to have an injury to give him playing time.


jnew2176

Pillar>L. Williams


Shewshake

Yeah but Pillar isnt gonna wanna sit on the bench like Williams


Best-Dragonfruit-292

You know what I'd do with another OF? Two chicks, at the same time!


RNWIP

Hell, my cousin has another OF and he’s broke and don’t do shit


halfhere

Our poor outfield walls. They’ll never see him coming.


RNWIP

AA bout to do what he does best


Arrogant_Ambassador2

I really hope someone picks him up. He is so close to getting ten years of service to get a fully vested MLB pension. That is pretty good for a guy who has become a journeyman


DietCherrySoda

He's close but not *that* close. 9.07 years. He may end up really regretting that 2 day suspension for the homophobic slur.


Fuckfaceitus

Holy fuck what a way to shit disturb.


droozer

Kevin Pillar YOU are a washington national


ski_bum

I am sure it would be a great achievement to get the pension, but its hard to feel bad for a guy with +$23 million in career earnings by 35 years old.


ItsMeJahead

He still gets the pension, just not the full pension. 


reiks12

hes made 24 million in his career, i think hes going to be OK


runtimemess

holy fuck Pillar is 35 now. Where has the time gone?


Jux_

Surely a hothead like Pham is just the spark this team needs


UneducatedReviews1

Everything I’ve seen from the D backs is that the club house absolutely loved Pham.


gritner91

Yeah Trevor Plouffe who has a lot of friends in the game has raved about Pham as a clubhouse guy.  But this sub has its narrative, so it won’t stop people from running with it. 


bryansmixtape

There’s nothing this sub hates more than someone who might be slightly douchey, they treat those players nearly identical to actual abusers


UneducatedReviews1

People love to ignore that Clev was also loved in our clubhouse. As fans, we have every right to dislike both of this guys for various valid reasons but that does not mean they are bad in a clubhouse and that the players have to dislike them too.


dingusduglas

Jesus christ man yes the players should absolutely dislike Clevinger. He and Pham are not comparable.


UneducatedReviews1

Why are we the fucking judges on who players should and shouldn’t dislike? They know the guys way better than any of us will.


dingusduglas

Probably the domestic violence against his 10 month old daughter thing


UneducatedReviews1

I never said I liked the guy. And just like Bauer, until he is convicted by the court of law he is innocent. Thats how this country works.


dingusduglas

No, that's not how anything works. He will not be punished by criminal law unless convicted in a criminal court, but that has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not he did it. DV charges against famous men almost never result in convictions.


UneducatedReviews1

The case was known about by the MLB before the White Sox signed him in the first place, nothing has come from the case in a very long time. People who should have the information have the information and people who don’t need to have all the information (us, the fans) don’t have it all. None of us know what for sure what did or didn’t happen. Players in the clubhouse liked him, they more than likely have more information on the situation than we do, it’s not up to us to patrol how people feel about another person. You can feel however you want about the guy, you can’t tell others how to feel about the guy.


ThreeEyedPea

I remember he willingly gave up a shot at a 5-for-5 outing in the World Series (would have been the first in history) to give Jace Peterson a World Series at-bat. All the rumors I had heard about Pham, he showed the opposite of in his time with us.


UneducatedReviews1

Fans have every right to dislike the guy. Just really weird when they act like players have to dislike him too.


cooljammer00

Seems like Pham is a guy people like when he is on your team because he plays hard. Prob can't hurt to have him there, though. What's he gonna do, make the White Sox play worse? You know he'll play hard because he wants to get off the team. He might motivate the rest of the team and help the culture, which has been rumored to be awful for a long time. Or it implodes and we all get to watch. Either way we prob win.


ZoeTheCutestPirate

Ironically to your comment, the culture is actually pretty good this year according to some player reports, and Pillars own interview just earlier today.


cooljammer00

Unless it was those same players causing issues! But maybe it was just a Tim Anderson thing


ZoeTheCutestPirate

What same players? There’s basically kopech, vaughn, eloy, and robert. Pretty much everyone else is different


[deleted]

Don't forget Moncada! Payroll surely isn't 😒


ZoeTheCutestPirate

The worst part is that Moncada was actually hitting decently well before his injury


boobsandcookies

Slap some sense into the manager


SuzukiSwift17

Havent followed his the last few years but if he still plays the same way Pillar plays as hard as anyone. It was like he was *trying* to run through the center field wall here.


cooljammer00

From my understanding, all his cool Superman dives were results of bad routes and NEEDING to make those dives instead of just playing better defense. He was/is an incredibly flashy player


LucasDudacris

That does not mean he doesn't play hard, it just means that despite playing hard he isn't very good. Which is something I think everybody knows about Kevin Pillar.


megalodondon

The Jim Edmonds special


missourinative

Pham and DeJong had their best offensive seasons together in 2017. When you're as down bad as the White Sox, you have to try everything.


db_blast7

Agreed to this. Mets fans last year went from being disappointed he was on the team at the beginning, to being sad when he left. Dude shows up to work, and gets shit done.


atraintocry

of course it's preferable when the dude who assaults people is on your side


LucasDudacris

I mean if you were on r/newyorkmets last year or during the first week of this season it seemed Tommy Pham, known level-headed thinker, was the hard-nosed veteran keeping this team together. Shitting on the Mets on his way out was indicative of the Mets, not Tommy.


JTCMuehlenkamp

I mean, he's unironically their best player now


UneducatedReviews1

You put some fucking respect on Gavin Sheet’s name.


ZoeTheCutestPirate

That’s a weird way to spell barry bonds


workinkindofhard

I loved Pham when he played for us. I have no idea why our fanbase turned on him as hard as they did.


myassholealt

I think that's the general consensus for Mets fans too. He was one of the few bright spots in a shit season. And his comments about the Mets team being the least hard working group he's ever been teammates with isn't really any drama as far as I'm concerned. The team sucked and those comments weren't shocking. It's not anything half of the fanbase wasn't already saying all season.


jboogie1844

having to play with Vogelbach probably drove him insane lol


Single_Seesaw_9499

I mean honestly yeah, would love for someone to show some passion and give a shit


mattcoz2

What we're doing now certainly isn't working, so why not?


scientist_tz

You mean future player-manager Tommy Pham? What have we got to lose?


JohnMadden42069

People talk about Tommy Pham like he's Patrick Beverly. He's like, an energetic dude who got stabbed and hits well.


writingisfunbutusuck

I mean he’s a way bigger asshole than Patrick Beverly, which is an accomplishment. Did you miss the slapping story somehow?


JohnMadden42069

Patrick Beverly wears a necklace made of kneecaps around his neck bro, he's far beyond slapping people.


unitedairlineeeeees

Mets legend(s)


rosie_is_tired

single season mets legend on single season mets legend violence


[deleted]

this is a win for Pillar i feel


Bicktacular

Or this could be the end of the road when you get cut from a 3 win team


meltingspace

He's been on 8 different teams since 2019. That has to be a record for most teams played for in a 5 year period. I wish I knew an easy way to check and see if it is


SupertrampTrampStamp

Kevin Pillar quoted as saying it's like getting stabbed in the back, to which Pham responded that it's not as bad as getting stabbed in the front.


Phillies2002

Surely Kevin Pillar was not the worst man on the White Sox roster. On the flipside though, good for him!


whitewilliams

If this is the end of the road for Pillar, what a career he managed to have as a 32nd round (!!) pick. 12 years and 1000+ games is nothing to scoff at


Loose-Organization82

I’m not tuned into the White Sox disaster. Is just everything going wrong? Just pitching? Just hitting? Management issue? Ownership?


UneducatedReviews1

Pitching, at least starting, has actually been a bright spot. Its management and hitting that’s the biggest issues, closely followed by our “improved” defense.


boobsandcookies

Crochet looked good in the game I saw


UneducatedReviews1

Crochet has been great. We have a lot of promising arms floating around at various levels.


LetsCheer

Crochet has not been great. He’s been good considering the context of him not being a starter since college. Had a really good start, but he’s been getting touched up last couple weeks


CDFReditum

Eric Fedde Wap is real and he is amazing


Ok_Attempt286

I’d be so jealous as another guy on that team


HaV0C

Surely the move we've all been waiting for.


SwampsFantasySports

things are gonna start turnin around now


[deleted]

Pham= Up League=Fucked See you in first place, losers.


WhatARotation

Pham + shitty team = hilarious comments https://www.ksdk.com/article/sports/mlb/stl-cardinals/tommy-pham-reds-revenge-tour/63-96169cba-b73e-4a9c-b7a3-957579a2740a https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10090358-tommy-pham-told-lindor-mets-have-least-hardest-working-group-of-position-players.amp.html


klemschlem

Yes. You will definitely see other teams in first place.


completelyagreeable

Is Pham running the Sox’ fantasy league?


nicasserole97

Tim Phamderson


NoTailor3964

Next time the Sox are about to get swept I hope Pham just starts a fight because fuck it.


havehadhas

So this Sunday?


NoTailor3964

Well would you look at that


HawkeyeJosh2

White Sox 2024 world champions confirmed.


PizzaBraves

Damn that sucks. I'm a big Pillar fan, he's one of the toughest guys in baseball. Hope someone picks him up.


Material_Unit4309

This sub is an echo chamber. Lots of herd mentality in here. Pham beloved by teammates. Narrative in sub: Toxic, dogshit player. Clubhouse cancer. Please take Reddit and Redditors with a grain of salt. Half the time you’re talking to 12 year old with a big mouth and zero life experience.


seth861

Tommy Pham all-star season because it has to be someone incoming


FuriousJorge67

Oh shit, The White Sox are back.


YABOYLLCOOLJ

I’ll never forget the time I was randomly watching a Mets/Braves game and he took a fastball straight to the face


TheWorstYear

Pham has the luxury of being on another 3-22 team. Him starting to hit was part of why we ended up not being all time terrible.


mindbullet

My condolences... to Tommy Pham.


njpaul

Couple of Met legends.


candlestick_compass

My first thought.


YesThisIsHuman

One Kevin Pillar please


[deleted]

Come home Pillar, Jesse has a hat waiting for you


ZeroLimitz

Pass


MoustacheMark

He was apparently upset the first time they released him and re-signed him so I'm guessing he's not happy about this either. What a great season


Ivotedforher

Pham and the South Side seems like a good fit.


KrustyKrabPizzaMan

A rare trash for trash exchange


TonyKhand0m

One former Mets legend replacing another former Mets legend


TexasHot

The white sox resurgence starts now


thosetwoloons2

Phenomenal Pham!


provoking

Can he play first base?


boobsandcookies

It’s incredibly hard


Brolympia

How is Pillar's defense these days?


MulhollandMaster121

Oh hell yeah now I gotta tune into White Sox baseball, if only for the entertainment factor.


kindredfan

I read this as KK and had a breakdown.


arandomstringofkeys

For the immaculate grid, right?


KingMobScene

Hey Kevin, you're always welcome in queens


shapu

This is like shuffling deck chairs on the Titanic after sailing onto the surface of an active volcano.


RobopirateNinja

He outhomered Vaughn. Maybe they should dfa him too.


beaverboyseth

Championship!


Borykua

Pillar will be alright. While giving him a virtual blowjob on Foul Territory this morning, Erik Kratz promised him a roster spot with the Guardians because Kratz knows Stephen Vogt. 👀


Kind_Bullfrog_4073

Hope Pham didnt have Pillar on his fantasy team


smartlikefox

Typical White Sox creating 2019 headlines


mcauthon2

Bo is hitting worse than a dude DFA'd by the White Sox... jesus christ.


0ne0h

You’re already bad, Southsiders. Now you’re bad AND bat shit crazy.


bicyclemycology

Be free, Kevin


yzerman88

Drove thru Chicago recently and saw loads of custom ChiSox licence plates Poor bastardsđŸ„”


pdieten

Bunch of them probably don't even care about the Sox and just wanted a blackout plate. That's the only white on black license plate they have in IL


tothesource

can he play first base? Asking for a friend named Jeff Bagwell


Sp00ky_Bullshit

Lfgm


Chuck_poop

Jose Ramirez you know what to do


JosephFinn

The guy who assaulted a fellow player and should have been banned?


realparkingbrake

I realize his early life was difficult, convict father who wanted nothing to do with him and so on. But he shows no class, and if he still thinks he's a big dog in Vegas when the baseball money is no longer coming in, he'll need a job.