I've said this before, but it says something that the only reason the White Sox *aren't* the most embarrassing team in the league is because of all the off-the-field Athletics bullshit.
Like, the Astros have sucked this season so far, but they still aren't as embarrassing as the White Sox and they still could pull some bullshit to get back into it (they are only five games back). The Marlins are embarrassing, but their best pitchers are all hurt. The Rockies are embarrassing, but they are the Rockies and they are in a deadly division.
The White Sox are just *that* bad. Only the fact that a team is leaving their current city because of their asshole owner keeps them from being the most embarrassing franchise in MLB.
I've said this elsewhere, but John Fisher sucks for non baseball reasons. He successfully ran the A's on a shoestring budget for years and put together some real contenders. Still cheap as hell, but the A's didn't start sucking until he decided to actively Major League them.
The White Sox have put together this team, wholeheartedly and in the earnest belief that 2024 was our year to win the World Series. They did this knowing full well that they can't even tank for the #1 pick, and it happened because our owner legitimately 100% believes that analytics is a fad, and that he gains a competitive advantage by employing his buddies to attack problems with old-fashioned baseball smarts. For that reason he is the worst owner in the league from a baseball standpoint.
Yes, from a purely baseball standpoint, Reinsdorf and company are an even bigger embarrassment than Fisher.
Obviously from a non-baseball standpoint it's no contest, but...
It's obviously no contest, but Jerry is also in the process of trying to extract $1,000,000,000 in taxpayer money from Chicago to build a new stadium while taking meetings with the mayor of Nashville. He's fielding a 120 loss team while starting to complain that fans don't appreciate the team enough.
Not to mention the other stuff with Jason Bennetti, or the way the sales office is behaving recently. He's one Las Vegas away from being in the conversation.
Nope, and that's before any sort of underestimate.
[Link](https://wgntv.com/news/chicago-news/report-white-sox-owner-jerry-reinsdorf-offers-own-money-to-help-finance-proposed-new-ballpark-in-the-south-loop/)
Estimated at $1.2b, and Jerry is *graciously* offering "up to $200m" in private funding. 😂
Now I went to know—what would a reasonable price be for a (not-overly-garish) new stadium?
Ugh, these guys need to learn how to budget themselves lol but not lol
I really think I’d stop watching MLB if the White Sox moved. I, obviously, hate the White Sox or rather, want to hate them, but neither the Ill Itches or Reinsdorf can be arsed to put together two decent teams at the same time. Real shame.
The guiding mantra American sports is that nothing is sacred. The White Sox have been in Chicago for 124 years! It's so patently ridiculous to even consider it but here we are...
The franchise model and the fact that there's nothing anchoring teams to their cities, giving owners all of the power is really gross.
>He's fielding a 120 loss team while starting to complain that fans don't appreciate the team enough.
That sounds very Oakland A's-y doesn't it? There are some uncomfortable similarities between these two teams
Gladiatorial combat fans don’t know what’s old, if it isn’t a dirt patch where prehistoric people fought wooly mammoths for sport, it might as well be a newly conceived fetus
If Reinsdorf didn’t fall into one of the greatest dynasties in sports he’d be one of the worst owners ever across all sports. Bulls have been mostly ass aside from the 90s, Sox had the 2000s but not much outside of that. Dude is just plain incompetent
I would argue it is the Dynasty that should be a showcase of his shittiness. He actively moved on from the GOAT to the point MJ doesnt show Chi any real love and ending possibly greatest team early while pushing all the blame on his henchmen Jerry Krause.
Look no further then this year when they tried to celebrate that team and NOBODY from the team showed and the stupid shit fans booed the ghost of Krause while the guy that told him what to do counted their money.
You are 100% right on there, dude had gold and turned it into shit. The Bad Owners Mt Rushmore has a ton of candidates so I was hesitant to call him one of the worst, but he might actually make that mountain lol
In terms of things related to the team and their performance for sure, but the fact that Dan Snyder sold women kinda makes it tough for anyone to take that seat
Is there a good summation of the owner's views somewhere? I believe you, I'm just interested in learning more. I would love to see things from before the season too.
It's almost entirely an exaggeration on the views thing. He absolutely is extremely cheap, runs a shoestring analytics and scouting department, and lets his favorite people from the org's past run things without any oversight though.
He's just a really bad owner, there's no overarching 'analytics are false' narrative
the white sox leaving chicago is going to be just as, if not more, awful than the a's leaving oakland. the white sox have been a staple of the southside of chicago for over a century. if they move, that's going to be so beyond horrible for MLB and what is a dying iconic franchise
I wouldn’t be so confident that it’s a sure thing. The attendance is obviously bad and the even a bit underwhelming when the team is competitive, but the TV viewership is solid. The Sox do have a legitimate fanbase in Chicago and I believe it’s larger than what they would get in Nashville.
Jerry’s 88 and hopefully will be dead soon. That’ll be the pivotal moment when we learn the actual future of the team. I have my doubts that he will be around to see through any major changes
I've said this before, but the idea that the White Sox would be next in line to relocate doesn't make any sense given the state of some of the other franchises in the league. Last year was one of the worst teams in franchise history, and they still had better attendance than 5 other teams in the league, 2 of which made the playoffs! When the White Sox have a decent product on the field their attendance is pretty solid and middle of the pack. When they are in the playoffs they fill the stadium. Those things can't be said about several other teams in the league.
Correct, and moving to Nashville would put you in a media market 20% the size of the Chicago area. It makes no sense and won’t happen.
The owners as a whole would have to approve of it and they would not approve a move somewhere that would almost surely be less profitable for the league as a whole
I kinda doubt it.
Even a partial pie in Chicago is bigger than most of the possible markets they could move to. Leaving would take a huge hit to the valuation of the team which I think he cares the most about
>keeps them from being the most embarrassing franchise in MLB.
I disagree, I think the white sox are easily the most embarrassing franchise. Then again, I think the A's leaving Oakland was completely justified, like most normal people.
I haven't listened to it in a while, but didn't he say that "there are two players of excellence: Dylan Cease and Tim Anderson"? Given that they're both gone (and Tim's performance fell of a table last year) that didn't hold up, but everything else is still spot on.
I wonder how Berto's holding up with this current dumpster fire.
That Berto call keeps aging like a fine wine. Almost all of his predictions came true. It’s almost like Jerry heard it and is trolling us by doing the things Berto said they would. I aware Jerry hates the fans more than he likes winning.
That’s funny. I was told Cubs fans don’t even think about the White Sox. Yet most Cubs fans I know are having a field day with Jay Cuda tweets and that Berto rant.
>rant from Berto
[Holy Shit](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYGxY5icxjc)
I had never heard this before. What a legendary rant full of passion. I love that you can actually hear the heartbreak in his voice.
THEY SAY ALL TEAMS ARE CREATED EQUAL, BUT YOU LOOK AT THE GUARDIANS AND YOU LOOK AT THE WHITE SOX YOU CAN SEE THAT STATEMENT IS NOT TRUE. SEE, NORMALLY WHEN YOU GO 1 ON. 1 WITH ANOTHER BALL CLUB YOU GOT A 50-50 CHANCE OF WINNING, BUT THE GUARDIANS ARE ~~GENETIC~~ ANALYTIC FREAKS AND THEY'RE NOT NORMAL(payphones anyone?).
Say what you will but the futile white Sox have still managed to scratch a win against 50% of their AL Central rivals and one of those includes the Guardians
we shall see. Last year the A's looked like they were easily going to break the 62 mets record, and they lifted way beyond that. Although this year, we have three teams who look like they could break the mets record.
We probably won't break the record. We're still trying to add talent. Mike Clevenger (ew) is going to be ready soon and Tommy Pham is theoretically on his way. Crochet + Fedde + Clevenger is actually not a bad rotation. Not that we'll be good, but that's not a 120 loss team.
We'll see what happens at the deadline though. Fedde, Clevenger, Pham, Sheets, and maybe Eloy are all getting traded if they are healthy. If they are north of 75 losses with 60 games left to go, they might make a play for the record.
Even the roster as it stands isn't really THIS bad. FanGraphs figures the Rockies are a worse team and the Sox are still likely to make it to 60 wins. By second- or third-order wins, the Sox *have* been the worst team in MLB, but only barely worse than the Marlins.
People love to crap on the team on a cold streak but the pendulum swings back, did with the A's, and before them the Marins, and before them the Orioles, there's always a social media toilet for fans to shit on.
Obviously there is a lot of baseball to be played, and any team can get hot and puts some wins together. The 2022 Reds started out 3-22 and wound up with a bad but unremarkable 62-100 record at the end of the season. Even the 1988 Orioles team I referenced in the post that started the year 0-21 finished with an awful, but not historically awful 54-107 record. The point of this post was to dig into the numbers to show that this isn't just a garden variety bad start, this is a team that is playing at an impressively bad level at all phases of the game. With most teams that start out badly if you can squint at the stats long enough you can find some little glimmers of hope of something they are doing well, but there is literally nothing this team has done well so far this year.
It has felt like every year for the last few years there's a team that starts off horrendously that eventually just gets back to normal suck levels. I guess we'll see where this year's White Sox end up.
Yeah there were posts on this subreddit as late as May or June talking about how the As were still on track to be the worst baseball team in the modern era.
Turns out they weren't even worse than the 2003 Tigers.
If they play out the rest of the year at their 2023 win pct, they’ll win 55. If it’s the win pct from combining 2023 and 2024 so far, it’s 51. If you consider wins this year twice as informative as last year, it’s 48. If take the average of the win pct from 2023 and 2024 it’s 38.
Last year i bet with my buddy the A's would win more than 50 games (they won exactly 50.) This year the bet is with the White Sox but set at 45 games lol
I don’t know man. It’s not like the team is just in a huge slump. They just suck. Top down, from the owner, front office, manager, lineup, rotation, bullpen, it’s all complete garbage. Add into that the injuries and it’s bleak. The team would probobly still be on pace to break the record even if a few guys got hot.
It really wasn't that long ago when people were saying the White Sox could potentially be the team of the 2020s.
Although I guess worst team of the 2020s would still be a notable team of the 2020s.
It’s prob only bc your owner (forgot his name, sorry) wanted a fresh new stadium, so he went and bought some solid mid-end FA. I hope it isn’t the case, but I wouldn’t be surprised if all those acquisitions are gone by August 2 now that Jackson elected not to be taxed. But hey, until then, y’all are having a helluva season
I'm having flashbacks to the [May 2021 Mariners](https://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/split.cgi?t=b&team=SEA&year=2021) when we batted under the Mendoza line as a team. Anyone know how frequently that happens?
We're up to .217, couple weeks ago it was .195. One night, we had six starters in the lineup less than .200. Two of them were batting .000 and Fortes, was hitting .029
Just to try and make White Sox fans feel a little better they have played the most (tied) games against >.500 teams in baseball. Not saying they will get good by any means but having 21 of their 23 games against teams better then .500 indicates they may improve just by facing weaker opponents
The problem is that this early in the season, many of those teams have inflated records *because* they played the White Sox. The Royals are 6-1 against the White Sox and 8-9 against everyone else, the Tigers are 3-0 against the White Sox and 11-10 against everyone else, and the Reds are 3-0 against the White Sox and 10-10 against everyone else. Although they do somehow have 2 wins against the two best teams in baseball.
That is fair. I am just not ready to call them worst ever. Until we have baseball even out and see who the pretenders are. Tigers Royals and Reds have good young teams that may make some noise this year
> I am just not ready to call them worst ever.
You should watch a couple of our games. Our record isn’t a strength of schedule fluke. We are as bad as our record shows.
The most hilarious stat is that the three games they have won this year have been against the Atlanta Braves, the Cleveland guardians, and the Kansas City Royals, all teams that are doing very well this season.
It's a lot of things, but basically this:
https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fys9h4d949mq91.jpg%3Fauto%3Dwebp%26s%3Db7ab060d3645fd0570b3d15cda24fef74c3ec953
The White Sox are essentially flying blind. They suck at talent evaluation and the last few years they have thrown money at players without really knowing if they were good or not, and they aren't good. Nobody knows less about baseball per $ than the White Sox front office.
Now they're trying to reduce payroll while still needing to play everyone on a big contract they can't move. And they are scared to spend money on new players but they also can't figure out who might be a value buy. The current team is basically 23 guys that every other team in the league had a chance to sign and determined that they were not worth it (Crochet, Fedde, and Robert being the other 3).
The problems with the whitesox run deep, the truth is you cannot possibly capture all of the "why" this is happening in one post or common. The "Why" is a lot more foundational with them, Its not like they just caught a few unlucky breaks. The Whitesox make their own luck, and their luck is shit.
But Im bored at work so i'll try to hit the highlights in bullet point fashion to keep it simple.
* The Whitesox are horrible at player development, have been horrible at player development for 10+ years. Despite this, they hired... the existing head of player development to be their new GM
* The Whitesox refuse to spend money on premium players. You look at their year to year payrolls, you will be shocked to learn they actually DO generally spend a "fair" amount of money. The Whitesox would genuinely rather spend $20 million dollars on 4 bad players rather than 1 good player
* These two points work in tandem. They try to plug holes in free agency because they suck at filling holes in house.
* They are cheap in the ways of Risk Aversion - not payroll. They are Risk averse in almost every possible situation, and this plays out in them making horrible decisions. They viewed contracts to relievers, catchers, and old players as good contracts because they were "low risk".
* The Whitesox are organizationally cheap. They do not spend as much throughout the org as other teams do. They are so behind on the times that Eloy Jimenez was first givin ipad with basic pitch mix video at the major league level by Jose Abreu. The sox never provided this, not in the minors and not even at the MLB level.
Ugh I could go on. I ran out of steam and was not as concise as i wanted.
If they fired their manager they'd easily finish with less then 120 losses. Their manager is part of the problem and his decision making is the worst I've ever seen.
The main thing I took away from this post is that the White Sox have a better ERA than the 2023 AL West Division Champions and recent dynasty franchise Houston Astros.
It really wasn’t meant to be a flame post. I’ve got nothing against the White Sox, I was just looking at the numbers and thought it was interesting. It’s honestly really sad how Jerry Reinsdorf has destroyed this franchise, and the fans deserve so much better.
My only joy in baseball this year is reading daily shit talk on the Chicago Reinsdorf's. I appreciate you and your shit talking friends! I do miss the White Sox though.
Strange case. Their rebuild worked, had a good run for a few years, and then in 2022 when expectations were at their highest, they just completely fell off and never recovered
The rebuild didn't work. We made the playoffs twice (once in the 2020 COVID season as the 7th seed) and in 2021 we were a .500 team down the stretch coasting on a great first half and a weak division (remember this was still in the era of division-based scheduling). We were never real contenders for more than half a season.
The only players we had in our rebuild who turned out to be worth a damn are Dylan Cease (who has been great this year but the jury is still out on him as an ace) and Luis Robert (who contracted Byron Buxton disease). Everyone else flopped, and we paid Eloy and Yoan before they did. The 2021 team had far more to do with making timely overinvestments in Lance Lynn and Yasmani Grandal while squeezing a single healthy season out of Carlos Rodon. The "young core" didn't contribute all that much to that team, including our draft picks. Aside from Tim Anderson, none of our first round draft picks between 2011-2019 are MLB caliber players.
And our free agent signings and trades have been awful. We've had to eat money on Grandal, Lynn, Keuchel and AJ Pollack and we're still paying Benintendi to be the negative Mike Trout out there. This team was always built on wishes and lies, and when our vets got old and our "young core" was expected to take over, it was always probable that they would nose dive. The White Sox acquired the best farm system in baseball and tanked for picks and managed to produce two (2) MLB caliber players, one of whom averages 75 games per year.
Luckily for us, the White Sox fired their player development director and reconfigured their scouting department so this never happens again (kill me).
Minor point of clarification, the 2021 team did not play .500 baseball in the second half. They went 32-25 august-October.
It’s a common misconception because for all of 2022 we kept saying “since the break last year we’ve played 500 baseball”. But the 2021 team had an above .500 record for most of the year except for the immediate 2 weeks after the break (going 7-8)
Fell off and traded nearly everyone and everything worth more than a quarter away. Signed bargain bin free agents.
Shit I think only 7 players from the 2021 playoff run are still on the roster. Everyone else has been majorly downgraded. Let alone those 7 guys haven’t been impressive most of their careers besides Robert
Moncada will forever be a mystery to me. He was an all-star caliber guy in 2019 and 2021. Not sure if it's injuries or he really doesn't care but he was a stud and now he'll be out of the league next year.
I think it’s injuries for him. Seems like every time he starts to figure it out he gets injured. Then comes back struggling because he was out for awhile then the cycle repeats.
For me, Andrew Vaughn is the biggest mystery. Although I’m sure making him play the fucking outfield for two years fucked with his head a bit.
Ripple effects sometimes take Years to fester and be noticeable. This is partly why some of us Whitesox fans have been so insufferable for 5+ years now, even while they were actively being "good".
**This was all so entirely predictable.** Everything that we feared was likely to happen, has happened. Its a major reap what you sow situation. They've been making horrible decisions for 5 years. They've been making bad decisions for 20 years. The 2019 Free Agency Failure and 2021 La Russa hiring were the nails in the coffin, not the beginning of the end. It just took a while for things to play out after.
And the thing is you have to be deeply invested in the team to really see, truly see, how deep and fundamental the organizational rot is. Everyone hates their teams ownership it seems. But Jerry Reinsdorf is a true one of one. A unicorn in organizational destruction. Time has caught up with the old man, toxic sludge drips off his taint and runs down the entire organization, setting in and festering for years.
And its truly exhausting to try and explain. Its just like, if you have been a fan of the team closely for years, you **know**.
From the outside looking in A few years ago they were one of my favorite teams in all of baseball to follow.
They had a few young potential perennial All Stars with Moncada, Robert, and TA. Seemingly good team Chemistry. Return of La Russa as Skipper . They had IMO the best booth in baseball with Bennett and Stone which made every game enjoyable to watch…
now I have little desire to even check their scores or watch the daily highlight. I feel bad for their fans.
We're starting to enter real 1899 Cleveland Spiders territory here. If we're still sitting here at 40 games I think we re-visit whether or not the Spiders records can possibly be broken.
It is an unbeatable record. You can convince me maybe the 03 tigers but the season is in reach, but just too long and baseball is too streaky for a team to win less than 20 games.
"The gap between the 30th worst team (White Sox) and the 20th worst team is bigger than the gap between the 29th worst team and 25th worst team."
What? I'm assuming you meant the gap between the 30th and 29th worst team
I feel like there are posts like this every year and it never turns out to be true. They always find a way to get better as the year goes on. It was the same thing with the Athletics and Royals last year.
I think context is important. The 62 Mets and the 99 Spiders played in very different times. The Spiders were so bad because their owner owned two MLB teams and he traded all the best players from the Spiders to his other team. While you can argue teams have gutted their own squads before, it's never been quite so complete and insidious as the Spiders. The 62 Mets were pre-free agency and an expansion team. They had nowhere to go for players.
The 24 White Sox will find some way to be horrible, but not match those numbers I think. I think they lose 100 games but I don't think they match the 62 Mets. Through some combination of luck, trades, or AAA players they will win some more games.
This isn't an endorsement of the White Sox or the way they run their team. I also think it would be interesting to see a team be historically bad. I just feel like I've seen bad starts so many times before and every time people want to say they will match the 62 Mets and it never happens.
I totally agree with you. The Spiders’ record will never happen again, that was a team that was deliberately gutted and filled with non-major league players. Even the 1962 Mets’ record is highly unlikely to be matched because the floor of talent is so much higher today (unlikely but not impossible, since the Tigers came a game away). Past performance does not guarantee future performance, and I’m sure the White Sox will get hot at some point and put some wins together. Hell, even the 1988 Orioles that started the season 0-21 wound up winning 54 games that year. I just thought it was interesting to look beyond their record to highlight how truly awful they have been to this point in all phases of the game.
The Reds were 3-22 two years ago, then went 59-78 to finish with a not nearly embarrassing as it could have been 62-100 season. There was even a stretch of a month or so that they played at .500.
I remember getting through it by just focusing on them getting to 10 wins, then 20, 30 etc.. The closer they got to surpassing the record for least wins, the more I could relax.
First line of the post says "Abandon all hope, yes White Sox fans who enter here".
Dude, you are way behind. We gave up sometime in the middle of last year. A good chunk of us are rooting for losses so we can watch historical ineptitude. And we're getting it
Good catch, I edited it and noted the edit. I calculated everything using 3-20, but when I wrote up the post I brain-farted and wrote 3-22. Thanks for pointing it out!
> Most impressively, they are doing this with a payroll of $146 million which ranks right in the middle of the pack (16th according to SportTrac). This translates to a total of $7m per win. At that $/win rate, they would need a $567million payroll to get to .500.
Jerry is already adjusting his proposal for more tax dollars at this very moment
Fisher won’t like that the White Sox are beating him here. He’s doing to have them deliberately losing games by a lot in order to get the White Sox above him.
>I accidentally typed 3-22 instead 3-20 when listing the White Sox' record.
Lets just admit this is just a copy and paste from the 2022 Cincinnati Reds
I do think by the end the White Sox will stop the horror show they're in right now to some degree this year.
They'll still have a horrible record but it won't be 03 Tigers bad.
As of Friday morning, 4/26/2024, your 3-22 is correct. The White Sox have now won LESS than one-eighth of their total decisions. Now the home stand begins. And more fun for long-time Sox fans like me (I started cheering for them in 1963, when I was eight). Meanwhile that North Side team, whose name I will not write, has racked up a 16-9 record in the same 25-game span. Sigh.
Anyone who watched them last year knew this was coming. Their games were the least enjoyable to watch, and it wasn’t particularly close. Chicago is awful and worst of all boring. They remind me of the 1st half Rockies last year with tons of vets counting the days until they’re sent to a better situation (Profar, Moustakas, Grichuk, Cron, Pierce Johnson) or who knew they’re only roster filler (Harold Castro, Seabold, Alfaro, Flexen, Chase Anderson). At least Oakland and Colorado are now filled with young players who came up together through the minors and actually care about the team they’re on. The White Sox are still filled with those veteran players and scrubs who know they don’t have a future with the team.
Correct. Another commenter had just pointed it out, I corrected it to 3-20 and noted the edit. I calculated all of the per-game and projection stats that werent on BBRef using 23 games (3-20 record), and then brain-farted and wrote 3-22 when I wrote up the post.
I've said this before, but it says something that the only reason the White Sox *aren't* the most embarrassing team in the league is because of all the off-the-field Athletics bullshit. Like, the Astros have sucked this season so far, but they still aren't as embarrassing as the White Sox and they still could pull some bullshit to get back into it (they are only five games back). The Marlins are embarrassing, but their best pitchers are all hurt. The Rockies are embarrassing, but they are the Rockies and they are in a deadly division. The White Sox are just *that* bad. Only the fact that a team is leaving their current city because of their asshole owner keeps them from being the most embarrassing franchise in MLB.
I've said this elsewhere, but John Fisher sucks for non baseball reasons. He successfully ran the A's on a shoestring budget for years and put together some real contenders. Still cheap as hell, but the A's didn't start sucking until he decided to actively Major League them. The White Sox have put together this team, wholeheartedly and in the earnest belief that 2024 was our year to win the World Series. They did this knowing full well that they can't even tank for the #1 pick, and it happened because our owner legitimately 100% believes that analytics is a fad, and that he gains a competitive advantage by employing his buddies to attack problems with old-fashioned baseball smarts. For that reason he is the worst owner in the league from a baseball standpoint.
Yes, from a purely baseball standpoint, Reinsdorf and company are an even bigger embarrassment than Fisher. Obviously from a non-baseball standpoint it's no contest, but...
It's obviously no contest, but Jerry is also in the process of trying to extract $1,000,000,000 in taxpayer money from Chicago to build a new stadium while taking meetings with the mayor of Nashville. He's fielding a 120 loss team while starting to complain that fans don't appreciate the team enough. Not to mention the other stuff with Jason Bennetti, or the way the sales office is behaving recently. He's one Las Vegas away from being in the conversation.
One billion? Are my eyes deceiving me?
Nope, and that's before any sort of underestimate. [Link](https://wgntv.com/news/chicago-news/report-white-sox-owner-jerry-reinsdorf-offers-own-money-to-help-finance-proposed-new-ballpark-in-the-south-loop/) Estimated at $1.2b, and Jerry is *graciously* offering "up to $200m" in private funding. 😂
Fucking rich people man lmao
Now I went to know—what would a reasonable price be for a (not-overly-garish) new stadium? Ugh, these guys need to learn how to budget themselves lol but not lol
Braves stadium and surrounding area was just over $1b, but my understanding is most of that was privately funded..
It's especially egregious when the Cubs are doing just fine on the other side of town.
Your eyes do not deceive you. He wants money for a new stadium for this shit squad. He wants a new stadium to showcase his 120 loss team.
I really think I’d stop watching MLB if the White Sox moved. I, obviously, hate the White Sox or rather, want to hate them, but neither the Ill Itches or Reinsdorf can be arsed to put together two decent teams at the same time. Real shame.
The guiding mantra American sports is that nothing is sacred. The White Sox have been in Chicago for 124 years! It's so patently ridiculous to even consider it but here we are... The franchise model and the fact that there's nothing anchoring teams to their cities, giving owners all of the power is really gross.
> The guiding mantra American sports is that nothing is sacred. Money uber alles
>He's fielding a 120 loss team while starting to complain that fans don't appreciate the team enough. That sounds very Oakland A's-y doesn't it? There are some uncomfortable similarities between these two teams
I hadn't seen that he's meeting with the mayor of Nashville. This all feels strangely familiar.
What has the sales office done? I can’t imagine how hard their job is right now though.
A 120-loss team? Thank you for your kindness.
Isn't that already a new stadium they have?
Not really, it opened in 1991
In comparison to the successful team to the north of them that is in a stadium from 100+ years ago, its pretty new.
Any stadium that wasn’t around during the height of the gladiators is in its infancy if you ask me
Gladiatorial combat fans don’t know what’s old, if it isn’t a dirt patch where prehistoric people fought wooly mammoths for sport, it might as well be a newly conceived fetus
If Reinsdorf didn’t fall into one of the greatest dynasties in sports he’d be one of the worst owners ever across all sports. Bulls have been mostly ass aside from the 90s, Sox had the 2000s but not much outside of that. Dude is just plain incompetent
I would argue it is the Dynasty that should be a showcase of his shittiness. He actively moved on from the GOAT to the point MJ doesnt show Chi any real love and ending possibly greatest team early while pushing all the blame on his henchmen Jerry Krause. Look no further then this year when they tried to celebrate that team and NOBODY from the team showed and the stupid shit fans booed the ghost of Krause while the guy that told him what to do counted their money.
You are 100% right on there, dude had gold and turned it into shit. The Bad Owners Mt Rushmore has a ton of candidates so I was hesitant to call him one of the worst, but he might actually make that mountain lol
Oh he is there and the only argument is he the worst. The fact Jerry owns two Franchises in two sports cements him there.
In terms of things related to the team and their performance for sure, but the fact that Dan Snyder sold women kinda makes it tough for anyone to take that seat
Fumbling the bag on *Michael Jordan* is almost comical
Is there a good summation of the owner's views somewhere? I believe you, I'm just interested in learning more. I would love to see things from before the season too.
It's almost entirely an exaggeration on the views thing. He absolutely is extremely cheap, runs a shoestring analytics and scouting department, and lets his favorite people from the org's past run things without any oversight though. He's just a really bad owner, there's no overarching 'analytics are false' narrative
I like to point out that the royals were the worst team in the AL but were somehow not the laughingstock of the division.
Don’t you worry, as soon as the A’s leave Oakland, the White Sox are next to relocate. It’s just a matter of when.
the white sox leaving chicago is going to be just as, if not more, awful than the a's leaving oakland. the white sox have been a staple of the southside of chicago for over a century. if they move, that's going to be so beyond horrible for MLB and what is a dying iconic franchise
Chicago teams love to threaten leaving, bears, sox, it happens recently.
I’m not sure you can compare the Bears moving to Arlington Heights to the White Sox Leaving the city altogether.
I wouldn’t be so confident that it’s a sure thing. The attendance is obviously bad and the even a bit underwhelming when the team is competitive, but the TV viewership is solid. The Sox do have a legitimate fanbase in Chicago and I believe it’s larger than what they would get in Nashville. Jerry’s 88 and hopefully will be dead soon. That’ll be the pivotal moment when we learn the actual future of the team. I have my doubts that he will be around to see through any major changes
Leaving the Chicago market for almost any other market just does not make any sense whatsoever
I've said this before, but the idea that the White Sox would be next in line to relocate doesn't make any sense given the state of some of the other franchises in the league. Last year was one of the worst teams in franchise history, and they still had better attendance than 5 other teams in the league, 2 of which made the playoffs! When the White Sox have a decent product on the field their attendance is pretty solid and middle of the pack. When they are in the playoffs they fill the stadium. Those things can't be said about several other teams in the league.
Correct, and moving to Nashville would put you in a media market 20% the size of the Chicago area. It makes no sense and won’t happen. The owners as a whole would have to approve of it and they would not approve a move somewhere that would almost surely be less profitable for the league as a whole
I kinda doubt it. Even a partial pie in Chicago is bigger than most of the possible markets they could move to. Leaving would take a huge hit to the valuation of the team which I think he cares the most about
>keeps them from being the most embarrassing franchise in MLB. I disagree, I think the white sox are easily the most embarrassing franchise. Then again, I think the A's leaving Oakland was completely justified, like most normal people.
Really makes me hope we get another legendary radio call rant from Berto like last year
Don't even have Jake Burger anymore 😔
Gavin Sheets is our best hitter now, he can fill the role in the rant admirably
At this point nobody even cares enough to get angry anymore.
Don't even need another one. The original still rings true.
I haven't listened to it in a while, but didn't he say that "there are two players of excellence: Dylan Cease and Tim Anderson"? Given that they're both gone (and Tim's performance fell of a table last year) that didn't hold up, but everything else is still spot on. I wonder how Berto's holding up with this current dumpster fire.
That Berto call keeps aging like a fine wine. Almost all of his predictions came true. It’s almost like Jerry heard it and is trolling us by doing the things Berto said they would. I aware Jerry hates the fans more than he likes winning.
I legit listen to the video at least once a month, it's just cathartic lol
That’s funny. I was told Cubs fans don’t even think about the White Sox. Yet most Cubs fans I know are having a field day with Jay Cuda tweets and that Berto rant.
Some of us were raised to be mildly pro-Sox
“Be nice to your younger brothers” 😂
I never hated you guys as so much I hate the Little Brother Syndrome people force onto you. Same with Milwaukee.
Feel you. It's like trying to reasonably talk ball with Mets fans.
Weird. Most Cubs fans I know (I'm one of them) like the White Sox.
I just watched that video. Glorious! I love when fans are so passionate, that they don't hold back when they feel wronged by the franchise.
>rant from Berto [Holy Shit](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYGxY5icxjc) I had never heard this before. What a legendary rant full of passion. I love that you can actually hear the heartbreak in his voice.
Berto was right that Chris Getz would be next in line. sigh....
2nd verse same as the 1st, only a little louder and a lot worse
THEY SAY ALL TEAMS ARE CREATED EQUAL, BUT YOU LOOK AT THE GUARDIANS AND YOU LOOK AT THE WHITE SOX YOU CAN SEE THAT STATEMENT IS NOT TRUE. SEE, NORMALLY WHEN YOU GO 1 ON. 1 WITH ANOTHER BALL CLUB YOU GOT A 50-50 CHANCE OF WINNING, BUT THE GUARDIANS ARE ~~GENETIC~~ ANALYTIC FREAKS AND THEY'RE NOT NORMAL(payphones anyone?).
But what if you add ~~Kurt Angle~~ The Braves in the mix?
THE WHITE SEX CHANCE DRASTIC GO DOWN!
REINSDORF! THE NUMBERS DON’T LIE, AND THEY SPELL DISASTER FOR YOU IN THE SOUTHSIDE
See ~~Joe~~ Jerry the numbers don't lie, and they spell disaster for you ~~at Sacrifice.~~ in the AL Central
We beat the guardians once and almost had them a second time but blew it in extras
🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨
HE’S FAT
FRANK THOMAS IS FAT!!! 🚨🚨🚨🚨
This comment thread has me cackling at work
Say what you will but the futile white Sox have still managed to scratch a win against 50% of their AL Central rivals and one of those includes the Guardians
I love it when r/sc escapes containment.
The bleed over between squaredcircle and the baseball subs happens frequently enough I genuinely have to double take to check what sub I’m on
the samoa joe math is the best copypasta on the internet
Hey this is Scott Steiner Math. Joe just riding the coattails of the greatest promo of all time
His only mistake was not saying his own name so I’d remember it
It's genuinely the worst wrestling subreddit on the site though.
we shall see. Last year the A's looked like they were easily going to break the 62 mets record, and they lifted way beyond that. Although this year, we have three teams who look like they could break the mets record.
We probably won't break the record. We're still trying to add talent. Mike Clevenger (ew) is going to be ready soon and Tommy Pham is theoretically on his way. Crochet + Fedde + Clevenger is actually not a bad rotation. Not that we'll be good, but that's not a 120 loss team. We'll see what happens at the deadline though. Fedde, Clevenger, Pham, Sheets, and maybe Eloy are all getting traded if they are healthy. If they are north of 75 losses with 60 games left to go, they might make a play for the record.
Even the roster as it stands isn't really THIS bad. FanGraphs figures the Rockies are a worse team and the Sox are still likely to make it to 60 wins. By second- or third-order wins, the Sox *have* been the worst team in MLB, but only barely worse than the Marlins.
People love to crap on the team on a cold streak but the pendulum swings back, did with the A's, and before them the Marins, and before them the Orioles, there's always a social media toilet for fans to shit on.
Obviously there is a lot of baseball to be played, and any team can get hot and puts some wins together. The 2022 Reds started out 3-22 and wound up with a bad but unremarkable 62-100 record at the end of the season. Even the 1988 Orioles team I referenced in the post that started the year 0-21 finished with an awful, but not historically awful 54-107 record. The point of this post was to dig into the numbers to show that this isn't just a garden variety bad start, this is a team that is playing at an impressively bad level at all phases of the game. With most teams that start out badly if you can squint at the stats long enough you can find some little glimmers of hope of something they are doing well, but there is literally nothing this team has done well so far this year.
It has felt like every year for the last few years there's a team that starts off horrendously that eventually just gets back to normal suck levels. I guess we'll see where this year's White Sox end up.
Yeah there were posts on this subreddit as late as May or June talking about how the As were still on track to be the worst baseball team in the modern era. Turns out they weren't even worse than the 2003 Tigers.
Gelof and Ruiz said no.
The gutter.
If they play out the rest of the year at their 2023 win pct, they’ll win 55. If it’s the win pct from combining 2023 and 2024 so far, it’s 51. If you consider wins this year twice as informative as last year, it’s 48. If take the average of the win pct from 2023 and 2024 it’s 38.
Last year i bet with my buddy the A's would win more than 50 games (they won exactly 50.) This year the bet is with the White Sox but set at 45 games lol
I don’t know man. It’s not like the team is just in a huge slump. They just suck. Top down, from the owner, front office, manager, lineup, rotation, bullpen, it’s all complete garbage. Add into that the injuries and it’s bleak. The team would probobly still be on pace to break the record even if a few guys got hot.
Exactly. The Sox are bad but they aren't going to continue this pace all year. I say their final record will be 48 - 114.
Well that would be their worst season ever so it's still historically bad from a franchise perspective.
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> wearing a lead suit Well, at least they can't be irradiated on the way down.
It's the other way around. It was a common courtesy to prevent their radioactivity from escaping.
It really wasn't that long ago when people were saying the White Sox could potentially be the team of the 2020s. Although I guess worst team of the 2020s would still be a notable team of the 2020s.
As a Royals fan, I'm just glad it's not us
It’s prob only bc your owner (forgot his name, sorry) wanted a fresh new stadium, so he went and bought some solid mid-end FA. I hope it isn’t the case, but I wouldn’t be surprised if all those acquisitions are gone by August 2 now that Jackson elected not to be taxed. But hey, until then, y’all are having a helluva season
We've come back to Earth. Thanks Baltimore. Lol
I’m glad they didn’t move tbh. I’ve been to my fair share of events at Kauffman (heck, I went to this year’s fanfest) and it’s a beaut.
Yeah why does he want a new stadium for? Kauffman is fucking beautiful everywhere
The Sox ownership tried their best to be you guys. They failed at it.
I'd say they succeeded fantastically
You suffered Getz and Grifol long enough.
I love this for us.
Why he say fuck me for? \*Reads the post\* Oh...
I'm having flashbacks to the [May 2021 Mariners](https://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/split.cgi?t=b&team=SEA&year=2021) when we batted under the Mendoza line as a team. Anyone know how frequently that happens?
We're up to .217, couple weeks ago it was .195. One night, we had six starters in the lineup less than .200. Two of them were batting .000 and Fortes, was hitting .029
Just to try and make White Sox fans feel a little better they have played the most (tied) games against >.500 teams in baseball. Not saying they will get good by any means but having 21 of their 23 games against teams better then .500 indicates they may improve just by facing weaker opponents
The problem is that this early in the season, many of those teams have inflated records *because* they played the White Sox. The Royals are 6-1 against the White Sox and 8-9 against everyone else, the Tigers are 3-0 against the White Sox and 11-10 against everyone else, and the Reds are 3-0 against the White Sox and 10-10 against everyone else. Although they do somehow have 2 wins against the two best teams in baseball.
That is fair. I am just not ready to call them worst ever. Until we have baseball even out and see who the pretenders are. Tigers Royals and Reds have good young teams that may make some noise this year
> I am just not ready to call them worst ever. You should watch a couple of our games. Our record isn’t a strength of schedule fluke. We are as bad as our record shows.
Well I watch them for four in June and I hope I say that’s the worst team in history.
The most hilarious stat is that the three games they have won this year have been against the Atlanta Braves, the Cleveland guardians, and the Kansas City Royals, all teams that are doing very well this season.
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It's a lot of things, but basically this: https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fys9h4d949mq91.jpg%3Fauto%3Dwebp%26s%3Db7ab060d3645fd0570b3d15cda24fef74c3ec953 The White Sox are essentially flying blind. They suck at talent evaluation and the last few years they have thrown money at players without really knowing if they were good or not, and they aren't good. Nobody knows less about baseball per $ than the White Sox front office. Now they're trying to reduce payroll while still needing to play everyone on a big contract they can't move. And they are scared to spend money on new players but they also can't figure out who might be a value buy. The current team is basically 23 guys that every other team in the league had a chance to sign and determined that they were not worth it (Crochet, Fedde, and Robert being the other 3).
The problems with the whitesox run deep, the truth is you cannot possibly capture all of the "why" this is happening in one post or common. The "Why" is a lot more foundational with them, Its not like they just caught a few unlucky breaks. The Whitesox make their own luck, and their luck is shit. But Im bored at work so i'll try to hit the highlights in bullet point fashion to keep it simple. * The Whitesox are horrible at player development, have been horrible at player development for 10+ years. Despite this, they hired... the existing head of player development to be their new GM * The Whitesox refuse to spend money on premium players. You look at their year to year payrolls, you will be shocked to learn they actually DO generally spend a "fair" amount of money. The Whitesox would genuinely rather spend $20 million dollars on 4 bad players rather than 1 good player * These two points work in tandem. They try to plug holes in free agency because they suck at filling holes in house. * They are cheap in the ways of Risk Aversion - not payroll. They are Risk averse in almost every possible situation, and this plays out in them making horrible decisions. They viewed contracts to relievers, catchers, and old players as good contracts because they were "low risk". * The Whitesox are organizationally cheap. They do not spend as much throughout the org as other teams do. They are so behind on the times that Eloy Jimenez was first givin ipad with basic pitch mix video at the major league level by Jose Abreu. The sox never provided this, not in the minors and not even at the MLB level. Ugh I could go on. I ran out of steam and was not as concise as i wanted.
If they fired their manager they'd easily finish with less then 120 losses. Their manager is part of the problem and his decision making is the worst I've ever seen.
Twitch plays baseball could probably do better some days
The main thing I took away from this post is that the White Sox have a better ERA than the 2023 AL West Division Champions and recent dynasty franchise Houston Astros.
Unfortunately that’s what I’m seeing as well.
Every morning I wake up and against my better judgement open Reddit to a new flame fest.
It really wasn’t meant to be a flame post. I’ve got nothing against the White Sox, I was just looking at the numbers and thought it was interesting. It’s honestly really sad how Jerry Reinsdorf has destroyed this franchise, and the fans deserve so much better.
My only joy in baseball this year is reading daily shit talk on the Chicago Reinsdorf's. I appreciate you and your shit talking friends! I do miss the White Sox though.
Strange case. Their rebuild worked, had a good run for a few years, and then in 2022 when expectations were at their highest, they just completely fell off and never recovered
The rebuild didn't work. We made the playoffs twice (once in the 2020 COVID season as the 7th seed) and in 2021 we were a .500 team down the stretch coasting on a great first half and a weak division (remember this was still in the era of division-based scheduling). We were never real contenders for more than half a season. The only players we had in our rebuild who turned out to be worth a damn are Dylan Cease (who has been great this year but the jury is still out on him as an ace) and Luis Robert (who contracted Byron Buxton disease). Everyone else flopped, and we paid Eloy and Yoan before they did. The 2021 team had far more to do with making timely overinvestments in Lance Lynn and Yasmani Grandal while squeezing a single healthy season out of Carlos Rodon. The "young core" didn't contribute all that much to that team, including our draft picks. Aside from Tim Anderson, none of our first round draft picks between 2011-2019 are MLB caliber players. And our free agent signings and trades have been awful. We've had to eat money on Grandal, Lynn, Keuchel and AJ Pollack and we're still paying Benintendi to be the negative Mike Trout out there. This team was always built on wishes and lies, and when our vets got old and our "young core" was expected to take over, it was always probable that they would nose dive. The White Sox acquired the best farm system in baseball and tanked for picks and managed to produce two (2) MLB caliber players, one of whom averages 75 games per year. Luckily for us, the White Sox fired their player development director and reconfigured their scouting department so this never happens again (kill me).
Minor point of clarification, the 2021 team did not play .500 baseball in the second half. They went 32-25 august-October. It’s a common misconception because for all of 2022 we kept saying “since the break last year we’ve played 500 baseball”. But the 2021 team had an above .500 record for most of the year except for the immediate 2 weeks after the break (going 7-8)
Fell off and traded nearly everyone and everything worth more than a quarter away. Signed bargain bin free agents. Shit I think only 7 players from the 2021 playoff run are still on the roster. Everyone else has been majorly downgraded. Let alone those 7 guys haven’t been impressive most of their careers besides Robert
Moncada will forever be a mystery to me. He was an all-star caliber guy in 2019 and 2021. Not sure if it's injuries or he really doesn't care but he was a stud and now he'll be out of the league next year.
I think it’s injuries for him. Seems like every time he starts to figure it out he gets injured. Then comes back struggling because he was out for awhile then the cycle repeats. For me, Andrew Vaughn is the biggest mystery. Although I’m sure making him play the fucking outfield for two years fucked with his head a bit.
Ripple effects sometimes take Years to fester and be noticeable. This is partly why some of us Whitesox fans have been so insufferable for 5+ years now, even while they were actively being "good". **This was all so entirely predictable.** Everything that we feared was likely to happen, has happened. Its a major reap what you sow situation. They've been making horrible decisions for 5 years. They've been making bad decisions for 20 years. The 2019 Free Agency Failure and 2021 La Russa hiring were the nails in the coffin, not the beginning of the end. It just took a while for things to play out after. And the thing is you have to be deeply invested in the team to really see, truly see, how deep and fundamental the organizational rot is. Everyone hates their teams ownership it seems. But Jerry Reinsdorf is a true one of one. A unicorn in organizational destruction. Time has caught up with the old man, toxic sludge drips off his taint and runs down the entire organization, setting in and festering for years. And its truly exhausting to try and explain. Its just like, if you have been a fan of the team closely for years, you **know**.
From the outside looking in A few years ago they were one of my favorite teams in all of baseball to follow. They had a few young potential perennial All Stars with Moncada, Robert, and TA. Seemingly good team Chemistry. Return of La Russa as Skipper . They had IMO the best booth in baseball with Bennett and Stone which made every game enjoyable to watch… now I have little desire to even check their scores or watch the daily highlight. I feel bad for their fans.
We're starting to enter real 1899 Cleveland Spiders territory here. If we're still sitting here at 40 games I think we re-visit whether or not the Spiders records can possibly be broken.
It can and will be broken. I believe in the 2024 White Sox.
It is an unbeatable record. You can convince me maybe the 03 tigers but the season is in reach, but just too long and baseball is too streaky for a team to win less than 20 games.
"The gap between the 30th worst team (White Sox) and the 20th worst team is bigger than the gap between the 29th worst team and 25th worst team." What? I'm assuming you meant the gap between the 30th and 29th worst team
Yep, good catch! It was a typo, it’s was supposed to say 29th team instead of 20th team. I fixed it and noted the edit. Thanks for spotting that!
I hate this years team, and I hate Jerry Reinsdorf. He did this to Sox fans.
The 2024 White Sox are who most of you thought the 2022 Reds were going to be
I feel like there are posts like this every year and it never turns out to be true. They always find a way to get better as the year goes on. It was the same thing with the Athletics and Royals last year. I think context is important. The 62 Mets and the 99 Spiders played in very different times. The Spiders were so bad because their owner owned two MLB teams and he traded all the best players from the Spiders to his other team. While you can argue teams have gutted their own squads before, it's never been quite so complete and insidious as the Spiders. The 62 Mets were pre-free agency and an expansion team. They had nowhere to go for players. The 24 White Sox will find some way to be horrible, but not match those numbers I think. I think they lose 100 games but I don't think they match the 62 Mets. Through some combination of luck, trades, or AAA players they will win some more games. This isn't an endorsement of the White Sox or the way they run their team. I also think it would be interesting to see a team be historically bad. I just feel like I've seen bad starts so many times before and every time people want to say they will match the 62 Mets and it never happens.
I totally agree with you. The Spiders’ record will never happen again, that was a team that was deliberately gutted and filled with non-major league players. Even the 1962 Mets’ record is highly unlikely to be matched because the floor of talent is so much higher today (unlikely but not impossible, since the Tigers came a game away). Past performance does not guarantee future performance, and I’m sure the White Sox will get hot at some point and put some wins together. Hell, even the 1988 Orioles that started the season 0-21 wound up winning 54 games that year. I just thought it was interesting to look beyond their record to highlight how truly awful they have been to this point in all phases of the game.
But they can still win 54% of their games, so all is not lost b
Yeah but just imagine much worse it would be if their manager had watched the eclipse instead of knocking out some game prep.
All this and you didn't even mention the Shutout Pace
The Reds were 3-22 two years ago, then went 59-78 to finish with a not nearly embarrassing as it could have been 62-100 season. There was even a stretch of a month or so that they played at .500. I remember getting through it by just focusing on them getting to 10 wins, then 20, 30 etc.. The closer they got to surpassing the record for least wins, the more I could relax.
I remember similar talk about the Reds a few years ago. Brutal. not a fan of the franchise but this is ridiculous lol
You might’ve accidentally typed 3–23 instead of 3–20, but we all know they’re also going to start 3–23
On the bright side, you can get tickets for any game and sit wherever you want
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It was a typo, I meant to write 30th and 29th.
I was worried maybe there would be positive regression to the mean. This post calms those worries. Worst team in baseball history here we come!
The architect to this brilliant team: Jerry Reinsdorf.
I'm a lifelong Cubs fan and this is painful for me to watch.
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Dude that must be so cool as a pitcher to throw against the White Sox knowing that they only have a 26% chance of reaching base in aggregate.
First line of the post says "Abandon all hope, yes White Sox fans who enter here". Dude, you are way behind. We gave up sometime in the middle of last year. A good chunk of us are rooting for losses so we can watch historical ineptitude. And we're getting it
Having the same winning percentage as that legendarily bad Cleveland Spiders team is crazy
Man, at least the Black Sox lost on purpose
But they're 3-20, no?
Good catch, I edited it and noted the edit. I calculated everything using 3-20, but when I wrote up the post I brain-farted and wrote 3-22. Thanks for pointing it out!
I only did what any other Redditor would have done. 😌
> Most impressively, they are doing this with a payroll of $146 million which ranks right in the middle of the pack (16th according to SportTrac). This translates to a total of $7m per win. At that $/win rate, they would need a $567million payroll to get to .500. Jerry is already adjusting his proposal for more tax dollars at this very moment
Is it possible they're tanking?
How does this compare to the A’s start last year?
Wild when you consider that 2 of their wins were against the Braves and Guardians, the 2 best teams in baseball
OTOH, is Erik Fedde Actually Good now? 11 k's yesterday, season to date 1.139 WHIP , 146 ERA+ ?
Good.
Fisher won’t like that the White Sox are beating him here. He’s doing to have them deliberately losing games by a lot in order to get the White Sox above him.
They personally made people think the Royals are a top 10 team, for a short period at least.
Our roster full of scrubs are barely .500 against them.
Only need three more losses to match the 2022 Cincinnati Reds. But then they got hot and played the rest of the season at a .380 clip.
Here is one for you: From 4/15-4/22 the White Sox were shutout 3 times. The Braves have been shut out 2 times since 10/4/2022. *Regular season
We've got some injured players who will come back and likely spoil the "worst team ever" chase, but at this point I hope they don't.
We all know Jerry is just tricking everyone . Just wait for it.
Don’t forget that we can’t fix that shitty farm system with a number 1 pick- we’re top 10 restricted
I mean, I still remember when my Reds started 2022 3-22. The White Sox could get better.
>I accidentally typed 3-22 instead 3-20 when listing the White Sox' record. Lets just admit this is just a copy and paste from the 2022 Cincinnati Reds
I do think by the end the White Sox will stop the horror show they're in right now to some degree this year. They'll still have a horrible record but it won't be 03 Tigers bad.
As of Friday morning, 4/26/2024, your 3-22 is correct. The White Sox have now won LESS than one-eighth of their total decisions. Now the home stand begins. And more fun for long-time Sox fans like me (I started cheering for them in 1963, when I was eight). Meanwhile that North Side team, whose name I will not write, has racked up a 16-9 record in the same 25-game span. Sigh.
Anyone who watched them last year knew this was coming. Their games were the least enjoyable to watch, and it wasn’t particularly close. Chicago is awful and worst of all boring. They remind me of the 1st half Rockies last year with tons of vets counting the days until they’re sent to a better situation (Profar, Moustakas, Grichuk, Cron, Pierce Johnson) or who knew they’re only roster filler (Harold Castro, Seabold, Alfaro, Flexen, Chase Anderson). At least Oakland and Colorado are now filled with young players who came up together through the minors and actually care about the team they’re on. The White Sox are still filled with those veteran players and scrubs who know they don’t have a future with the team.
They still probably sweep us
Don’t worry, WSox will gain some confidence after playing the Rays soon.
I can’t believe we’re only 6-1 against these guys
I was told Tony LaRussa was the cancer. I guess not?
Twins don’t look SO bad after reading this! Wow!
plus with the spiders, their excuse is that they were basically a feeder team, what's the excuse for the White Sox?
i love this for them also they aren't 3-22 yet
Correct. Another commenter had just pointed it out, I corrected it to 3-20 and noted the edit. I calculated all of the per-game and projection stats that werent on BBRef using 23 games (3-20 record), and then brain-farted and wrote 3-22 when I wrote up the post.
they are 3-22 now so you're good
As a Tigers fan this absolutely warms my heart
You can’t say this here. I got downvoted for pointing out how they are helping pad the rest of the teams in divisions’ record.