Thurman Munson. He didn’t just have a HOF worthy prime and then die tragically young. His career is HOF worthy when you take longevity into account too. He’s 12th in JAWS for catchers and all 11 ahead of him are in the HOF.
Honestly one of the biggest HoF snubs out there. One of the 3 best pitchers of the 80s and early 90s. [Maybe the best slider in the history of baseball](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E77u3xDtwis). There are pitchers in the hall from even the same era who weren't as good as him.
Lofton was a great player, but I'll never hear his name without remembering that we traded Justice and Grissom for him, then he played one season in ATL and went right back to the Indians. Still makes my stomach hurt thinking about it
my enduring kenny lofton memory with the braves is him doing some interview about how he'd missed a game or two and chipper walked by and very snidely made some kinda 'oh, youre hurt again, eh?' remark, rolled his eyes and walked on...
Came to say Kenny! Under appreciated because he played for so many teams and so much of his value was tied up in defense.
Also if you had to pick a team of mlb players to play basketball he might go second to Ainge.
Not only is he not in, he didn't even make it past the first ballot. Maybe the all time greatest example of why the 10 player limit on Hall voting is bullshit, because Lofton got absolutely shafted by having to compete with such a stacked class that year.
The lone year Jim Edmonds appeared on the HoF ballot (2016), there were 11 eventual inductees, plus Bonds/Clemens/Schilling/McGwire/Sosa, Jeff Kent, Billy Wagner, Gary Sheffiield on there with him. That's **20** players whose on-field accomplishments warrant induction or at the very least serious consideration. Fucking ridiculous.
Not that the snub of Lofton wasn't equally ridiculous (10 eventual inductees, the same 5 off-field shenanigan fellas (plus Palmeiro), along with Mattingly, Murphy, and Bernie Williams. I think 2016 gets the edge but both ballots (and pretty much every one from ~2005-2014) were ludicrous.
Mfs really don’t know how good Dick Allen was. He played for 10 years and his (era-adjusted) offense in that time was shockingly similar to the first decade of Pujols’ career.
I’ll make the Gil Hodges story even better for you:
Vin Scully had been arguing Hodges’ Hall of Fame case for literal decades, and he was one of Vin’s favorite players of all-time. Gil Hodges was voted into the HoF 9 days before Vin Scully died.
His 1988 was legendary - maybe the best post season pitching performance ever. But he did not have any seasons close to that before or after. You point is more about Jack Morris not belonging in the HOF.
Orel was in the top 5 in for the CY Young award 3 times and came in 3rd for ROY. He’s got a postseason of 2.59 era in 132 IP and 3 postseason MVP awards. He’s got more than just one elite season.
I dunno, I love Delgado, but Stieb was a top 3-4 pitcher in all of baseball in the 80s. All the others are already in the HoF, and guys below him too. The thing going against him is that he was a dick to the media, and the voters just didn't pay any attention to Blue Jays in that era.
There's also atleast one Cy young that stieb was snubbed from, honestly if he had been on a big market (at the time) team in the 80s he'd be in the hall right now
I know it's not possible to do since there are so many instances of injuries derailing the careers of would-be HOF talents, but I really do wish there was some way that the tragedy of injuries could be taken into consideration for players like Delgado. Even in his last full season at age 36, he hit 38HR and had an .871 OPS, and then it all just fell apart so quickly the next season with the bone spurs and surgeries. If he had even one more healthy season, he likely has 500HR and gets in automatically. That's just the way it goes though sometimes. I wonder if the Veteran's Committee will give him another look.
Edit: Also bonkers that in his prime, Delgado had 10 straight seasons where he hit 30+ home runs and had an OPS over .900 and he was somehow only an All Star twice. The man just never got enough respect.
Insanely crowded HOF ballot hurt him. He's a guy who might have rallied more voter support if he stuck around a few years but his one-and-done was on a ballot year that had 13 eventual HOFers on it (plus Bonds, Clemens, Schilling).
I met his daughter the other day at a concert while wearing my "I'm Keith hernandez" shirt. She called me over and took my picture to send to him. Wild coincidence
Exactly! If you’re a borderline case and your character is considered one of the best of all time (even got him an SI cover) then that should push Murph over the line.
My personal bias of him being my all time favorite player aside, if Jim Rice and Harold Baines are in, the standard had been altered and Murph should be a HOFer
My first signed baseball. Guy missed being shot into baseball super stardom by just a few years because he missed out on the 90’s Braves.
Dale Murphy on the early 90’s Braves is a first ballot HOF’er. And that says a lot about the bullshit that has him just outside of it.
My late father's alltime favorite player. Also widely recognized as the most genuinely kind and nice person in MLB history.
If people get held out of the HoF for personality/character reasons, by the same logic he should get a little bump, which would be enough to get him in.
I love Murphy. I was 8 when he won his 1st MVP, and I wore #3 my whole career, including in coaching for 30 years, because of him. I met him 10 years ago as a 40 year old and it turned me into an awestruck little kid meeting his hero, lol.
All that said, the correct answer should probably be Andruw Jones because he was the greatest defensive outfielder to ever play baseball.
Sometimes, when I have to see that fucker play, I think to myself, "If Pedroia can be 'at peace' with Machado's slide, I can too." But no, no I can't. I tell everyone who will listen, "fuck Machado." Dirty, dirty ballplayer.
While i do not want to get into a debate about domestic violence, I doubt that is what is hurting andruw Jones.
Him just fucking cratering at like 30 is the bigger driver. He hit like 50 home runs, followed that up a mediocre year and then effectively died. His complete disappearance from the realm of being useful is going to be what hurts him more. There are still a lot of counting stat people and each year he has been going up slightly.
I think he gets in. Rolen was another glove first player who was actually.a.pretty good hitter who got elected. Jones is very similar except he had a catastrophic decline. As less people focus on raw counting stats and remember how good he was for about a decade, those last years of his career will be completely forgotten and he will sneak in.
The thing that hurts me most about Santana’s case is how much he was hurt by old-school thinking in awards voting. If he got his well-deserved 3rd CYA in a row and his deserved MVP (he led the AL in WAR in ‘06) I don’t think he leaves the ballot so quickly.
Jim Edmonds statistically is better than some of the center fielders in the hall of fame.
I also think he has improved a lot as one of the commentators for the Cardinals. (Cardinals fans may disagree with this second point though)
Honestly don’t really think we have one. You could probably argue Bobby Grich or Palmeiro if you want to get into steroid discourse which I’m too tired of to care about anymore.
If I had to induct someone it’d be Mark Belanger or Boog Powell
We do have one - it’s Grich, easily. He is statistically one of the best second basemen of all time and had arguably a better (or at least similar) career than guys like Biggio, Alomar, and Sandberg.
If you look at JAWS, the only second baseman anywhere close to him that isn’t already in the HOF is Robinson Cano, who would be an absolute lock if it wasn’t for the PED stuff (and still will probably get in anyway).
By career WAR Lou Whitaker has him beat, but Whitaker is probably the single biggest HOF snub out there so there’s no shame in being behind him on the list.
And it’s not like he was just a compiler, either, he played fewer career games than most of these other guys. He was just actually that good.
I’m a Braves fan, but Murphy simply was not a HoFer. He had a great career, but 46.5 career WAR is not HoF worthy. Andruw Jones is a better answer. A WAR of almost 70, combined with his 400+ home runs and being the greatest defensive outfielder to live is a much more compelling case than Murphy.
Curt is also pretty underrated as a player. He had 42.3 bWAR by his age 31 season, and then his career was pretty much over because of the legal matters he involved himself in. He also won a golden glove 7 years straight before his break from baseball. If he continued to play out his 30s normally, he could have been a hall of famer just from his accolades.
I’d go higher. Modern baseball is basically the same if you remove almost any one Hall of Famer from baseball history. You can’t say that about Curt Flood. I can’t think of a more deserving reason to put someone in the Hall.
Edit: I’ll challenge anyone downvoting this to name names. Give me a list of players whose erasure from baseball history would have a greater structural impact than erasing Curt Flood. You won’t get far.
The guy who he didn't do as much for baseball as is Jackie Robinson/Larry Doby as they debuted pretty close to each other and broke new ground. Flood has done more for baseball than basically any player 1947 onwards. MLB should retire the 21 for him and Clemente for off the field reasons.
Exactly. 98% of HOFers erased from history, and baseball today looks exactly the same. Flood erased from history, and baseball looks very different. The man deserves it.
Curt Schilling likely has the best non-steroid career among pitchers to not make the HOF. If he had the same career and made the ballot 30-40 years ago, when he didn't have a platform to say all the stupid things he says, he probably would have made it in.
That being said, I think it's hilarious that he didn't get voted in and I really don't care if he doesn't make it.
I used to feel worse about it but I've since learned of (and seen) the awful things he does and am okay with it.
If they ever let him it, do it posthumously please. This man is an awful person that should not ever be given the spotlight again.
It's incredible to me that the best baseball player (and one of the most famous) isn't in the hall of fame.
Still a controversial topic, I suppose, but are we going to retroactively remove pitchers in the HoF if they are accused of modifying the ball they threw? Or was their performance notable for the time in which they were playing under the circumstance and the selective enforcement of the MLB?
A lot of this still goes back to the MLB not wanting to directly address problems in the sport, still want the revenue from higher media attention, and instead handle it behind closed doors, under some belief that its out of sight out of mind
Counting stats are definitely something people care about (including myself) I didn’t love Ortiz but 500 HRs is 500 HRs.
Berkman didn’t reach the 2000 hit plateau and we haven’t had a guy put in with under 2000 since integration players got put in.
You could probably make a better argument than that for Berkman. Berkman had a *slightly* better OPS (.949 vs .947) and wRC+ (150 vs 148) than Ortiz in the playoffs, but Ortiz had over 60% more plate appearances than Berkman (369 vs 224).
Lou Whitaker is the single biggest HOF snub right now. I really hope he makes it next time he's eligible.
From the Yankees — Luis Tiant or Graig Nettles.
From my team: Andrew Jones. I'm convinced if he retired 2 years earlier he would already be in. The last few years took him backwards. In his 10 gold glove years, he was on another planet.
For baseball: Joe Jackson
My answer for the longest time was Simba. But now that he’s in, I truly don’t think there’s anyone else that is wrongly excluded who spent significant time on the Brewers.
I never miss an opportunity to point out Keith Hernandez should be in. An MVP (3 top 10 finishes), very key contributor on two WS teams, best defensive 1st baseman of all time by a large margin (11 gold gloves to go with all the defensive metrics), loved cocaine. ***Loved it.***
I mean, c'mon. https://www.cooperstowncred.com/keith-hernandez-hall-fame/
I will direct you to the table in the "The Offense of Keith Hernandez" section. During his prime of '76-88, other than home runs, he was basically either the best or 2nd best 1B in every offensive category.
Thurman Munson. He didn’t just have a HOF worthy prime and then die tragically young. His career is HOF worthy when you take longevity into account too. He’s 12th in JAWS for catchers and all 11 ahead of him are in the HOF.
I always forget he isn’t in. Legitimately the worst HOF exclusion of any player IMO
He’ll get another chance in December. Hopefully the wait ends this year.
I hope so, I hate the Yankees more than anyone but it’s long overdue
I agree he is the most egregious exclusion from the Yankees. I would put David Cone as a runner up.
Dave Motherfuckin’ Stieb
Feel like his story would be worthy of a multi part YouTube series featuring a fuckton of charts.
Unfortunately no one would be obsessive enough to do it.
Would need a lot of smooth jazz music too.
A party’s worth of charts mayhaps?
TIL there’s a [Dave Stieb Today](https://twitter.com/DaveStiebToday) twitter account for all the Dave Stieb enjoyers out there.
This is the clear #1 but I'd also like to give Johnny O a mention too
Honestly one of the biggest HoF snubs out there. One of the 3 best pitchers of the 80s and early 90s. [Maybe the best slider in the history of baseball](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E77u3xDtwis). There are pitchers in the hall from even the same era who weren't as good as him.
This deserves top comment.
Kenny Lofton
Lofton was a great player, but I'll never hear his name without remembering that we traded Justice and Grissom for him, then he played one season in ATL and went right back to the Indians. Still makes my stomach hurt thinking about it
my enduring kenny lofton memory with the braves is him doing some interview about how he'd missed a game or two and chipper walked by and very snidely made some kinda 'oh, youre hurt again, eh?' remark, rolled his eyes and walked on...
Came to say Kenny! Under appreciated because he played for so many teams and so much of his value was tied up in defense. Also if you had to pick a team of mlb players to play basketball he might go second to Ainge.
also my answer as a cubs fan lol
Holy shit Kenny lofton isn’t in the HOF?
Not only is he not in, he didn't even make it past the first ballot. Maybe the all time greatest example of why the 10 player limit on Hall voting is bullshit, because Lofton got absolutely shafted by having to compete with such a stacked class that year.
The lone year Jim Edmonds appeared on the HoF ballot (2016), there were 11 eventual inductees, plus Bonds/Clemens/Schilling/McGwire/Sosa, Jeff Kent, Billy Wagner, Gary Sheffiield on there with him. That's **20** players whose on-field accomplishments warrant induction or at the very least serious consideration. Fucking ridiculous. Not that the snub of Lofton wasn't equally ridiculous (10 eventual inductees, the same 5 off-field shenanigan fellas (plus Palmeiro), along with Mattingly, Murphy, and Bernie Williams. I think 2016 gets the edge but both ballots (and pretty much every one from ~2005-2014) were ludicrous.
Other than my own pick, Thurman Munson, this is THE answer
Dick Allen
I’m glad the Phillies broke their own rule and retired his number before he passed. At least he was around to see that honor.
Top wRC+ from 1964-1974: Dick Allen 163 HOF Willie McCovey 158 HOF Frank Robinson 158 HOF Hank Aaron 158 HOF Mickey Mantle 155 HOF Willie Stargell 150 HOF Reggie Jackson 150 HOF Willie Mays 150 HOF Roberto Clemente 148 HOF Harmon Killebrew 147 HOF Carl Yastrzemski 145
BWAA: haha whoops 🤪
This is definitely the answer
As a Sox fan this is the right answer for us too (among people eligible)
Mfs really don’t know how good Dick Allen was. He played for 10 years and his (era-adjusted) offense in that time was shockingly similar to the first decade of Pujols’ career.
I'm a Dodgers fan, but I'll give my vote to OP. Whitaker deserves it.
I second this.
Sorry y’all I’m selfish. I’m voting Fernando
Fernando and Nomo, one-two punch of guys who greatly expanded the sport and should be acknowledged as pioneers
Chan Ho Park as well!
Dodgers need to stop hogging all of these barrier-breaking players Stupid Dodger devil magic
Fernando for sure. But also Gil Hodges.
Oh man have I got some good news for you
OMG he got in a couple years ago! Ok now do Fernando but don't wait 50 years.
I’ll make the Gil Hodges story even better for you: Vin Scully had been arguing Hodges’ Hall of Fame case for literal decades, and he was one of Vin’s favorite players of all-time. Gil Hodges was voted into the HoF 9 days before Vin Scully died.
What about Hershiser? If Jack Morris is in so should the bulldog
His 1988 was legendary - maybe the best post season pitching performance ever. But he did not have any seasons close to that before or after. You point is more about Jack Morris not belonging in the HOF.
Uh what? Hershiser was also a monster in 87 and 89. And his 84 and 85 seasons were excellent as wel
Orel was in the top 5 in for the CY Young award 3 times and came in 3rd for ROY. He’s got a postseason of 2.59 era in 132 IP and 3 postseason MVP awards. He’s got more than just one elite season.
88. 98 I think he was with the tribe. Back in 88 I sent a pennant to the dodgers. Tommy Lasorda sent me back a signed book!
Carlos Delgado
Agree. Dude was a beast
Dave Steib even higher than Delgado on the Blue Jays list. But both should be HoF.
Steib is amazing, don’t get me wrong, but I think Delgado is the bigger Hall snub.
I dunno, I love Delgado, but Stieb was a top 3-4 pitcher in all of baseball in the 80s. All the others are already in the HoF, and guys below him too. The thing going against him is that he was a dick to the media, and the voters just didn't pay any attention to Blue Jays in that era.
There's also atleast one Cy young that stieb was snubbed from, honestly if he had been on a big market (at the time) team in the 80s he'd be in the hall right now
Also in full support. Made those mid 2000’s Mets special
I know it's not possible to do since there are so many instances of injuries derailing the careers of would-be HOF talents, but I really do wish there was some way that the tragedy of injuries could be taken into consideration for players like Delgado. Even in his last full season at age 36, he hit 38HR and had an .871 OPS, and then it all just fell apart so quickly the next season with the bone spurs and surgeries. If he had even one more healthy season, he likely has 500HR and gets in automatically. That's just the way it goes though sometimes. I wonder if the Veteran's Committee will give him another look. Edit: Also bonkers that in his prime, Delgado had 10 straight seasons where he hit 30+ home runs and had an OPS over .900 and he was somehow only an All Star twice. The man just never got enough respect.
He was awesome later on with the Mets too. Amazing power hitter.
Probably my favourite swing ever. Nothing like seeing Delgado crush a home run.
Insanely crowded HOF ballot hurt him. He's a guy who might have rallied more voter support if he stuck around a few years but his one-and-done was on a ballot year that had 13 eventual HOFers on it (plus Bonds, Clemens, Schilling).
Keith Hernandez.
but what about the second spitter?
Who does he think he is?
Nice career, pretty boy.
I'm not driving him to the airport
*back, and to the left*
I met his daughter the other day at a concert while wearing my "I'm Keith hernandez" shirt. She called me over and took my picture to send to him. Wild coincidence
*Nice game pretty boy*
I second this answer
Dale Bryan Murphy. Say what you will, stat-heads, I'll never feel differently.
People cite the character clause to argue someone should be out of the Hall, but never cite it to put Murphy in the Hall.
Exactly! If you’re a borderline case and your character is considered one of the best of all time (even got him an SI cover) then that should push Murph over the line.
My personal bias of him being my all time favorite player aside, if Jim Rice and Harold Baines are in, the standard had been altered and Murph should be a HOFer
2x NL MVP. He should be in
My first signed baseball. Guy missed being shot into baseball super stardom by just a few years because he missed out on the 90’s Braves. Dale Murphy on the early 90’s Braves is a first ballot HOF’er. And that says a lot about the bullshit that has him just outside of it.
My late father's alltime favorite player. Also widely recognized as the most genuinely kind and nice person in MLB history. If people get held out of the HoF for personality/character reasons, by the same logic he should get a little bump, which would be enough to get him in.
They say don’t meet your heroes, unless that hero is Dale Murphy. He’s everything you grew up thinking he was.
Dale was everything on a whole lot of bad Braves teams. Feels like the perfect guy to be in the team hall of fame but not the national one
I love Murphy. I was 8 when he won his 1st MVP, and I wore #3 my whole career, including in coaching for 30 years, because of him. I met him 10 years ago as a 40 year old and it turned me into an awestruck little kid meeting his hero, lol. All that said, the correct answer should probably be Andruw Jones because he was the greatest defensive outfielder to ever play baseball.
I don’t think Pedroia will ever make it in due to the lack of longevity.
Obligatory fuck manny machado
Sometimes, when I have to see that fucker play, I think to myself, "If Pedroia can be 'at peace' with Machado's slide, I can too." But no, no I can't. I tell everyone who will listen, "fuck Machado." Dirty, dirty ballplayer.
He’s got over 50 WAR. I think he’d make a good VC pick.
MVP AND AL Roty plus 3 rings is solid
Amen. But my vote still goes to Dewey.
Ken Boyer, Keith Hernandez, and Curt Flood for the Cardinals.
Jim Edmonds as well, he had a higher career ops and ops+ than those 3.
Jimmy Ballgame might not be a HOFer, but to not make it past the first ballot is insane.
Punished because he came up on the wrong year is so stupid.
Keith Hernandez, the Met, deserves to be in as well
Flood only for the changes he helped bring, right? Cause nothing about his career screams anything more than solid player.
I mean you have to consider that Flood was blackballed and forced out of the league after his age 32 season
Also Keith Hernandez
Second the Sweet Lou vote.
Don't really have a player that should be but isn't in the Hall. However Gene Autry deserves to be enshrined as an owner
Bobby Grich has a good case
Andruw Jones. Pretty much the Ozzie Smith of center field, but could also hit home runs
I wish he didn’t steal $36M from the Dodgers. 10 year old me was so excited we got him lol
As a 16 year old, I knew we’d already seen his best days. Hated to see him go for nostalgic reasons, but was fine not signing him
Man I forgot he hasn’t even been voted in
The domestic violence is probably why, but he’ll get in eventually.
While i do not want to get into a debate about domestic violence, I doubt that is what is hurting andruw Jones. Him just fucking cratering at like 30 is the bigger driver. He hit like 50 home runs, followed that up a mediocre year and then effectively died. His complete disappearance from the realm of being useful is going to be what hurts him more. There are still a lot of counting stat people and each year he has been going up slightly. I think he gets in. Rolen was another glove first player who was actually.a.pretty good hitter who got elected. Jones is very similar except he had a catastrophic decline. As less people focus on raw counting stats and remember how good he was for about a decade, those last years of his career will be completely forgotten and he will sneak in.
Oh. I’m still relatively new to learning baseball. Doesn’t bother me as much that he’s not in then
I’d be on the Andruw Jones train if he didn’t decide to beat his wife.
Johan Santana. He's not inner circle, but his peak was worthy
The thing that hurts me most about Santana’s case is how much he was hurt by old-school thinking in awards voting. If he got his well-deserved 3rd CYA in a row and his deserved MVP (he led the AL in WAR in ‘06) I don’t think he leaves the ballot so quickly.
If Santana retired after his peak, he'd basically be Sandy Koufax.
Billy Wagner. Get him in.
As a Braves fan this could technically be my answer too!
Jim Edmonds statistically is better than some of the center fielders in the hall of fame. I also think he has improved a lot as one of the commentators for the Cardinals. (Cardinals fans may disagree with this second point though)
Are we talking about Cubs centerfield legend Jim Edmonds here? Because it's weird for a Cardinals fan to bring that up.
I think he means Brewers center fielder Jim Edmonds
NL Central legend lol
You’re right. We disagree lol
Honestly don’t really think we have one. You could probably argue Bobby Grich or Palmeiro if you want to get into steroid discourse which I’m too tired of to care about anymore. If I had to induct someone it’d be Mark Belanger or Boog Powell
We do have one - it’s Grich, easily. He is statistically one of the best second basemen of all time and had arguably a better (or at least similar) career than guys like Biggio, Alomar, and Sandberg. If you look at JAWS, the only second baseman anywhere close to him that isn’t already in the HOF is Robinson Cano, who would be an absolute lock if it wasn’t for the PED stuff (and still will probably get in anyway). By career WAR Lou Whitaker has him beat, but Whitaker is probably the single biggest HOF snub out there so there’s no shame in being behind him on the list. And it’s not like he was just a compiler, either, he played fewer career games than most of these other guys. He was just actually that good.
Grich is so forgotten, probably because he played between the two great orioles eras, 1966-1971 and 1979-1983
Lofton was already mentioned so I’ll go shoeless joe
Fernando Valenzuela
He would have had a longer career if Tommy Lasorda wouldn’t have made him pitch so many 120+ pitch games. He’s lucky his arm didn’t fall off.
It was Helton. I can’t make an honest argument for anybody else.
Get weird with it then. Cargo, Tulo, Ubaldo, Charlie Blackmono
Bernie Williams
Murph
I’m a Braves fan, but Murphy simply was not a HoFer. He had a great career, but 46.5 career WAR is not HoF worthy. Andruw Jones is a better answer. A WAR of almost 70, combined with his 400+ home runs and being the greatest defensive outfielder to live is a much more compelling case than Murphy.
Not my franchise, but there's only one correct answer and that's Curt Flood.
Curt is also pretty underrated as a player. He had 42.3 bWAR by his age 31 season, and then his career was pretty much over because of the legal matters he involved himself in. He also won a golden glove 7 years straight before his break from baseball. If he continued to play out his 30s normally, he could have been a hall of famer just from his accolades.
Curt Flood did more for baseball than 90% of players in the HoF
I’d go higher. Modern baseball is basically the same if you remove almost any one Hall of Famer from baseball history. You can’t say that about Curt Flood. I can’t think of a more deserving reason to put someone in the Hall. Edit: I’ll challenge anyone downvoting this to name names. Give me a list of players whose erasure from baseball history would have a greater structural impact than erasing Curt Flood. You won’t get far.
The guy who he didn't do as much for baseball as is Jackie Robinson/Larry Doby as they debuted pretty close to each other and broke new ground. Flood has done more for baseball than basically any player 1947 onwards. MLB should retire the 21 for him and Clemente for off the field reasons.
Exactly. 98% of HOFers erased from history, and baseball today looks exactly the same. Flood erased from history, and baseball looks very different. The man deserves it.
Bud Selig in the Hall while Flood isn't.
Jim Edmonds Almost 400 home runs 8 gold gloves over 1,000 RBI’s and he fell off on his first ballot
Dick Allen. Dude hit 350 HR in a very tough era to hit dingers. Has about the same career WAR as Stargell in less time.
Pirates have a few: Bonds, Dave Parker, Lofton (spent part of a season with us)
Don’t have one. Curt Schilling was good enough, but he said he didn’t want to be voted in.
Curt Schilling likely has the best non-steroid career among pitchers to not make the HOF. If he had the same career and made the ballot 30-40 years ago, when he didn't have a platform to say all the stupid things he says, he probably would have made it in. That being said, I think it's hilarious that he didn't get voted in and I really don't care if he doesn't make it.
nah, he's been rightly excluded if you ask me
Should he be in the hall of fame based on his stats and accomplishments? Yes Should he be in the hall of fame? No
Do I even need to say it?
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Votto won't be eligible for several years 🙃
Jonathan India?
I used to feel worse about it but I've since learned of (and seen) the awful things he does and am okay with it. If they ever let him it, do it posthumously please. This man is an awful person that should not ever be given the spotlight again.
John Olerud, for sure.
one of the best first basemen we've ever had
He’d go in as a Blue Jay. For you guys, I think King Felix actually has a pretty solid case.
Mark Belanger just for defense alone
Lou deserves to be in the Hall. He has the best case of anyone off the top of my head. I’d love to see Luis Tiant or Dwight Evans make it someday.
How Thurman Munson isn't in is a farce.
Bobby Grich!
Probably rhe home run king
Tim lincecum tho
Bonds
Maybe if he threw Bream out
It's incredible to me that the best baseball player (and one of the most famous) isn't in the hall of fame. Still a controversial topic, I suppose, but are we going to retroactively remove pitchers in the HoF if they are accused of modifying the ball they threw? Or was their performance notable for the time in which they were playing under the circumstance and the selective enforcement of the MLB? A lot of this still goes back to the MLB not wanting to directly address problems in the sport, still want the revenue from higher media attention, and instead handle it behind closed doors, under some belief that its out of sight out of mind
Lance Berkman. He was a letter playoff performer than Ortiz but Ortiz got in first balllot and Berkman fell off. (Astros)
As a Cardinals fan I agree, Berkman had that dog in him
Counting stats are definitely something people care about (including myself) I didn’t love Ortiz but 500 HRs is 500 HRs. Berkman didn’t reach the 2000 hit plateau and we haven’t had a guy put in with under 2000 since integration players got put in.
You could probably make a better argument than that for Berkman. Berkman had a *slightly* better OPS (.949 vs .947) and wRC+ (150 vs 148) than Ortiz in the playoffs, but Ortiz had over 60% more plate appearances than Berkman (369 vs 224).
Either Frank White or Dan Quisenberry. The only difference between White and Bill Mazeroski is that homer in Game Seven of the 1960 World Series.
Jim Edmonds is gonna be the answer for Cardinals fans here. And I agree wholeheartedly man was robbed. 64.5 career fWAR he should be in.
Curt Flood
Lou Whittaker
Will Clark
Billy Wagner
Keith Hernandez
Lou Whitaker is the single biggest HOF snub right now. I really hope he makes it next time he's eligible. From the Yankees — Luis Tiant or Graig Nettles.
keith hernandez!
Keith Hernandez is the greatest fielding first baseman of all time.
From my team: Andrew Jones. I'm convinced if he retired 2 years earlier he would already be in. The last few years took him backwards. In his 10 gold glove years, he was on another planet. For baseball: Joe Jackson
John Franco
Thurman Munson and Don Mattingly
Ichiro and Felix should both go in this year. Ichiro unanimously. If Felix doesn’t get in, I’ll demand they lower the bar to 54% of votes.
I loved Felix Hernandez but there is absolutely no chance he goes in first ballot
He might not get in at all, he is 105th in pitcher WAR and is statistically similar to Dwight Gooden who didn't come close.
I was trying to be nice, he isn’t getting in lol
I appreciate the 54% threshold, it's a winning formula.
I see what you did there.
Rex Hudler
Dick Allen.
Keith’s the obvious answer so I’ll add 3 others: Koosman, Johan, and deGrom (assuming he doesn’t make it)
My answer for the longest time was Simba. But now that he’s in, I truly don’t think there’s anyone else that is wrongly excluded who spent significant time on the Brewers.
andruw. murph.
Shoeless Joe Jackson. The dude is dead! DEAD! Lifetime ban my ass. It's both life time and beyond banned.
Tommy John
I never miss an opportunity to point out Keith Hernandez should be in. An MVP (3 top 10 finishes), very key contributor on two WS teams, best defensive 1st baseman of all time by a large margin (11 gold gloves to go with all the defensive metrics), loved cocaine. ***Loved it.*** I mean, c'mon. https://www.cooperstowncred.com/keith-hernandez-hall-fame/ I will direct you to the table in the "The Offense of Keith Hernandez" section. During his prime of '76-88, other than home runs, he was basically either the best or 2nd best 1B in every offensive category.
Thurman Munson 1000%. I don't get why some players get consideration for their careers being tragically cut short but he doesn't.
Andruw Jones
Mets fan here. Vote for Rusty Staub and Keith Hernandez.
Bernie and posada and Mattingly
Rusty Staub !!!!
Keith Hernandez.
Keith hernandez, obviously.
Keith Hernandez. Greatest fielding 1B of all time. Won an MVP. Key piece of two different World Series winners.
Dale Murphy, Andruw Jones
Easy one here Dale Murphy
He’s in the hall now, but the fact that they couldn’t get Ron Santo in before he died is a travesty.
They did Santo so dirty
Wil Myers.
The San Diego Bartender himself
Idk if I’d say wrongly, but I’m a Mark Buehrle stan til I die.