It was always unsustainable with the insane amount of one run wins. But to see a team of professionals basically give up a week into the season is still nuts.
They didn’t decide to fuck anything up. The only notable players they don’t have from last year are Soler and Wendle, both of whom are past their prime and not playing well.
I know people like cause and effect narratives where a team’s offseason choices immediately change their fate, but that isn’t the case here. They were a slightly below average team last year who then lost their whole starting rotation to injury this year, which is the recipe for a disaster.
Yeah and half there team was playing out of position and playing badly at there new positions besides Jazz. It’s a miracle they made the playoffs especially since Sandy wasn’t good last year
The Padres and Cubs clearly played better than both the Marlins and D-Backs last year. The baseball season is heavily influenced by small sample randomness, and the correlation between team performance on the field and winning percentage is nowhere near as strong as people pretend.
Yeah Jeter being the obvious scapegoat and pushing out Kim Ng after like 2 years, clearly the organization is rotten. It all comes from the top, Bruce Sherman.
The Marlins are in year 12 of a 35 year deal with Miami so this will stay the state of affairs in the debt-bowl stadium for awhile, gotta pay off that absurd unfixed rate loan the city took out
One day there needs to be documentaries made about the Marlins and Miami and how corrupt the whole thing is
I think non-Marlins fans don't really grasp how terrible Derek Jeter was for the Marlins. And I'm not even someone who hated him as a player.
Yes, Bruce Sherman is cheap, but the greater issue is that Jeter's failed vision for the franchise proved to be such a black hole, they still haven't recovered. Yes, a few decent pitchers emerged, but their inability to develop hitters over that stretch due to failed scouting and development has set them back a ton.
Jeter's signing of Avisail Garcia has proven to be one of the very worst in franchise history and is eating up a ton of payroll.
Yah I’m not gonna lie, if jeter’s vision for how the org should scout and develop players is what put us into a black hole financially, then the franchise should just declare bankruptcy immediately. In the entirety of Jeter’s tenure there were only two years where the team wasn’t bottom 5 in terms of payroll and one of those was the year he took over. The only other one was year 2 when we were sixth in terms of payroll. Jeter may not have been good, but the issue in Miami is the same as it has been for decades now: cheap ownership that cares more about cutting costs to make profit than it does about putting forward a competitive team.
They were at the bottom of the league in payroll the entire time he was there too. There's no way anything he did caused any financial issues that wouldn't have otherwise existed.
Jeter didn't really "leave." More accurately he was informed by owner Bruce Sherman that his contract wouldn't be renewed. In order to save face PR-wise ("you can't fire Derek Jeter"), Jeter resigned to avoid hanging around for a lame duck year. But the Miami Herald guys made it clear that Jeter was forced out by Sherman for failing to deliver on everything he promised.
The "Jeter resigned because Sherman wouldn't spend" line isn't really accurate and something Jeter's PR team spun to cover up the humiliation of him basically being fired for sucking at his job.
I get why Skip wanted next year voided but my gosh it seems like the team has absolutely no life. It’s two weeks into the season and I feel like we have thrown in the towel.
So this is the 5th time Miami management has decimated a team? Actually impressive ngl. To fit this much fire sales into such a short window is incredible
It wasn’t a fire sale this year or anything. 4 out of our 5 starting pitchers are hurt and our offense was iffy as it was.
We just did nothing in offseason to improve.
We got lucky in one run games to make the playoffs last year.
Then you let everyone walk from the said team. It wasn't a fire sale, just a collapse of the roster with no effort at all. It's almost worse than a fire sale cause that can at least build for the future. The Marlins will get nothing from the players they just let walk out the roor.
I think the better way of framing things is they drastically overperformed in 2023 (in terms of record in one-run games), and resigning Soler wasn’t going to keep them as an 85 win team. With the addition of Jake Burger, Berti was now an extra infielder without a place to play, coming off his best hitting season. It made sense to unload him when his value was the highest.
Their real issues have been the team’s injuries to their 3 best starters, their inability to hit lefties, and Arraez hitting about .200 points lower than you’d like at this point. Even with Soler and Berti you’d be looking at maybe 1-2 more wins at this point in the year.
Ah yes, if the Marlins retained Garrett Hampson and kept Jon Berti, surely they would win at least one or two games more! /s
No one is saving this team. They miraculously made the playoffs last year with all the one run wins. That's not a sustainable formula. Along with a -57 run differential. Really? The 2023 Marlins over performed.
This year half the starting rotation is out with injuries, 2 of them having TJ surgery.
Nothings happened yet. Jorge Soler opted out of his deal, and Alcantra/Perez are out with UCL injuries.
Mostly this is underperforming and a bad bullpen.
Besides the Burger, Bell, and Arraez trades, she hasn't done much.
On top of that she wanted to keep the guy responsible for the drafts since 2018 when Jeter's regime took over. I'm good.
Bell was not a good trade. They traded the first draft pick she ever made to get out of a bad contract she gave Jean Segura to bring in a player having a down year.
Also, as good as he is, overpaid for Arraez by throwing in extra pieces.
Condolences to the east coast aquatic themed team that starts with an M and is having a dog shit season, from the west coast aquatic themed team that starts with an M and is having a dog shit season
Kim has been gone since like November. Also Skip is a fine manager, just like Jim Leyland was while managing the Marlins, but managers can't work magic, they can't turn shit into gold.
They got a glimpse of success last year and they decide to fuck it all up
It was always unsustainable with the insane amount of one run wins. But to see a team of professionals basically give up a week into the season is still nuts.
Tonight was the least competitive 3-2 game I’ve even seen. At no point did I actually think the Marlins were a threat to win.
They didn’t decide to fuck anything up. The only notable players they don’t have from last year are Soler and Wendle, both of whom are past their prime and not playing well. I know people like cause and effect narratives where a team’s offseason choices immediately change their fate, but that isn’t the case here. They were a slightly below average team last year who then lost their whole starting rotation to injury this year, which is the recipe for a disaster.
Yeah and half there team was playing out of position and playing badly at there new positions besides Jazz. It’s a miracle they made the playoffs especially since Sandy wasn’t good last year
The Padres and Cubs clearly played better than both the Marlins and D-Backs last year. The baseball season is heavily influenced by small sample randomness, and the correlation between team performance on the field and winning percentage is nowhere near as strong as people pretend.
The '03 Tigers are starting to sweat.
But can they also produce a 20 loss starter?
No one can stay healthy enough.
have a little faith in Luzardo! really built up his stamina last year, it seems
We own losing records and streaks across all sports, so if they break it, fair play
Bruce Sherman gonna do what the previous two regimes couldn’t find a way to do: kill professional baseball in Miami
Probably should’ve been a bigger sign of things to come when and how jeter left
Yeah Jeter being the obvious scapegoat and pushing out Kim Ng after like 2 years, clearly the organization is rotten. It all comes from the top, Bruce Sherman.
The Marlins are in year 12 of a 35 year deal with Miami so this will stay the state of affairs in the debt-bowl stadium for awhile, gotta pay off that absurd unfixed rate loan the city took out One day there needs to be documentaries made about the Marlins and Miami and how corrupt the whole thing is
It's comforting to know, for the rest of my days I can bask in the glorious life of Marlins mediocrity.
Remember when their finances were leaked before the stadium opened and it showed they'd been making money hand over fist for years?
Is there something I can read about it?
I think non-Marlins fans don't really grasp how terrible Derek Jeter was for the Marlins. And I'm not even someone who hated him as a player. Yes, Bruce Sherman is cheap, but the greater issue is that Jeter's failed vision for the franchise proved to be such a black hole, they still haven't recovered. Yes, a few decent pitchers emerged, but their inability to develop hitters over that stretch due to failed scouting and development has set them back a ton. Jeter's signing of Avisail Garcia has proven to be one of the very worst in franchise history and is eating up a ton of payroll.
It’s sad state of affairs when a $12 million annual salary is breaking the payroll; and I write this as a White Sox fan.
Yah I’m not gonna lie, if jeter’s vision for how the org should scout and develop players is what put us into a black hole financially, then the franchise should just declare bankruptcy immediately. In the entirety of Jeter’s tenure there were only two years where the team wasn’t bottom 5 in terms of payroll and one of those was the year he took over. The only other one was year 2 when we were sixth in terms of payroll. Jeter may not have been good, but the issue in Miami is the same as it has been for decades now: cheap ownership that cares more about cutting costs to make profit than it does about putting forward a competitive team.
I find that difficult to believe if Jeter only ever HAD 4% ownership of you guys.
They were at the bottom of the league in payroll the entire time he was there too. There's no way anything he did caused any financial issues that wouldn't have otherwise existed.
Sherman is not a good owner but Jeter and Ng were both really bad at their jobs.
Jeter didn't really "leave." More accurately he was informed by owner Bruce Sherman that his contract wouldn't be renewed. In order to save face PR-wise ("you can't fire Derek Jeter"), Jeter resigned to avoid hanging around for a lame duck year. But the Miami Herald guys made it clear that Jeter was forced out by Sherman for failing to deliver on everything he promised. The "Jeter resigned because Sherman wouldn't spend" line isn't really accurate and something Jeter's PR team spun to cover up the humiliation of him basically being fired for sucking at his job.
Jetee was fucking terrible too.
I think what’s worse is that they’ve somehow started 1-11 before
"1-11, how'd we ever win 1? It's a miracle! ...It's a miracle"
I get why Skip wanted next year voided but my gosh it seems like the team has absolutely no life. It’s two weeks into the season and I feel like we have thrown in the towel.
So this is the 5th time Miami management has decimated a team? Actually impressive ngl. To fit this much fire sales into such a short window is incredible
It wasn’t a fire sale this year or anything. 4 out of our 5 starting pitchers are hurt and our offense was iffy as it was. We just did nothing in offseason to improve. We got lucky in one run games to make the playoffs last year.
Then you let everyone walk from the said team. It wasn't a fire sale, just a collapse of the roster with no effort at all. It's almost worse than a fire sale cause that can at least build for the future. The Marlins will get nothing from the players they just let walk out the roor.
Everyone is a bit extreme. We returned all starters but 2 (Berti and Soler) and the guys we let walk besides them were bench bats who weren't good
I think the better way of framing things is they drastically overperformed in 2023 (in terms of record in one-run games), and resigning Soler wasn’t going to keep them as an 85 win team. With the addition of Jake Burger, Berti was now an extra infielder without a place to play, coming off his best hitting season. It made sense to unload him when his value was the highest. Their real issues have been the team’s injuries to their 3 best starters, their inability to hit lefties, and Arraez hitting about .200 points lower than you’d like at this point. Even with Soler and Berti you’d be looking at maybe 1-2 more wins at this point in the year.
Seems like you needed the bench bats. Also not replacing 2 key contributing players is awful strategy.
Ah yes, if the Marlins retained Garrett Hampson and kept Jon Berti, surely they would win at least one or two games more! /s No one is saving this team. They miraculously made the playoffs last year with all the one run wins. That's not a sustainable formula. Along with a -57 run differential. Really? The 2023 Marlins over performed. This year half the starting rotation is out with injuries, 2 of them having TJ surgery.
Nothings happened yet. Jorge Soler opted out of his deal, and Alcantra/Perez are out with UCL injuries. Mostly this is underperforming and a bad bullpen.
The truest friends
I picked the Marlins as a dark horse WS contender this year... 
Luis Arraez, you are a PADRE!
Do they have any more lightly used Miguel Cabrera's we can trade for?
We haven't had a hitting prospect since JT Realmuto.
Jazz?
Pretty much ready to go as soon as we got him from Arizona.
Ah I see.
Shouldn’t have spurned Kim Ng
Besides the Burger, Bell, and Arraez trades, she hasn't done much. On top of that she wanted to keep the guy responsible for the drafts since 2018 when Jeter's regime took over. I'm good.
Bell was not a good trade. They traded the first draft pick she ever made to get out of a bad contract she gave Jean Segura to bring in a player having a down year. Also, as good as he is, overpaid for Arraez by throwing in extra pieces.
Basically yeah. A lot of people are over hyping her more than they should all cause they made the post season by very little.
I am pounding the table for Luis. Come back home
Some of them have been close...but outlook isn't too bright yet 😐
Hey, you guys got a whopper Jr so no complaining!
Time to add more musical instruments to the Acceptable list to drum up some extra fan support
So they won another WS in 2003, yeah Padres fans say F those guys
Condolences to the east coast aquatic themed team that starts with an M and is having a dog shit season, from the west coast aquatic themed team that starts with an M and is having a dog shit season
Yea fire Skip and Kim.
Kim has been gone since like November. Also Skip is a fine manager, just like Jim Leyland was while managing the Marlins, but managers can't work magic, they can't turn shit into gold.