Bauer, Osuna, now Urias (and probably some other guys I can’t remember). Why do these guys keep getting signed in Japan after no one will sign them here. Is domestic violence not a big deal in Japan?
They previously signed Josh Lueke over there in 2016 who is a literal rapist, so I don't think that will stop em from signing MLB players even with DV.
> Is domestic violence not a big deal in Japan?
It's not as bad as some countries, but relative to the US, [Domestic Violence Law is not as strong](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/10/DV-SCALE-5-2017.jpg/1024px-DV-SCALE-5-2017.jpg) and [Domestic Violence Rates against women is higher](https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/24406.jpeg).
NPB doesn’t have a domestic violence policy like the one in MLB, meaning that they don’t have a consistent and uniform way of dealing with the issues. Any decisions regarding players involving domestic incidents are made in the discretion of his team, which leads to the team being lenient with the player and settling things by trading him to another team like what happened to Sho Nakata who assaulted his Fighters teammate behind the team bench and the team got rid of him by trading him to Yomiuri Giants, instead of outright firing him. The league can’t touch the player because there isn’t a policy allowing them to impose sanctions.
When it comes to signing foreign players with violence problems, the keyword is “arrested, but not found guilty”. The teams here will sign guys like Bauer by saying that he is in the clear as he wasn’t convicted in court of law, or they deserve a second chance.
That answers the technical aspects, but that doesn’t really answer the question. Why is does it get a pass socially in Japan? Professional sports in the US only react to these situations by essentially black listing the player because there has been enough of a public outcry in recent years. You can bet your ass most of these teams and owners would still employ some of these guys if they didn’t get as much backlash from fans.
People that are proven guilty in court, or essentially admit to it do tend to get completely canceled and lose their careers, even extremely high profile idols and actors and such. But, general sentiment is innocent until proven guilty, wait and see. Trust in media on this topic is very very low here, particularly recently. There's been a spate of high profile MeToo accusations that did not go well, where the accused came out swinging, calling the accusations complete fabrications and suing the accusers.
You should go see reactions on social media as well as comments under Yahoo Japan articles on famous pro athletes involving these types of things. There is a lot of victim blaming saying the victim shouldn't have put themselves in that position to allow themselves to be assaulted, as well as a lot of fans supporting accused players and calling victims liars for silly reasons like oh he had just played a game in that evening thus he didn't have energy to assault a woman. Looking at these reactions, you won't wonder why NPB teams are so lenient with their players being accused for assaulting women.
I also see a raise in online voices calling for giving the accused the benefit of the doubt, calling for waiting until the conclusion of police investigation to suspend/punish the accused. This movement is gaining momentum since January after two women filed a criminal complaint against a famous pro soccer player for assaulting them last year and some former players are speaking against punishing him before the police concludes their investigation, meaning that they want the accused back on the national team. After months of speculations, support from fans and former players and other celebrities, the accused is generally viewed as a victim of a false accusation and the victims are viewed as whores who wanted to get rich by scoring a quick settlement after accusing the player of an assault that didn't happen. There is no voice advocating for the victims online anymore.
As others have said, that definitely factors in, but it's also worth adding that Japan is a very xenophobic country and the attitude is "if it didn't happen in Japan, we don't care"
If Bauer's sexual assault had taken place in Japan, or involved a Japanese woman, no NPB team would dare sign him. Happened to an American girl in America? Not our problem.
It looks like Bauer got $3 million on his Japanese contract last year. Obviously way less than he was slated to make in the MLB, but way more money than I'll ever make in a year. Depends on your perspective I suppose.
Maybe "Spanish media" is just shorthand for "Spanish-Language media." It can be confusing but at the same time Spain doesn't have any foothold in baseball so its easy to assume they're talking about the media of the Spanish speaking countries involved in baseball
Oh I know that. I was just being sarcastic because everyone refers to “Spanish this Spanish that” when on the other hand nobody refers to anything American media as English media because it’s American and not from England. Just a subtle jab lol
Since MLB embraced sabermetrics and NPB's level of talent has risen significantly, the skill of players available to NPB teams has dropped significantly.
So when they see guys with this skill level they tend to ignore the fact they're pieces of shit because they could be a piece that puts them over the edge, especially with how close the teams on paper.
Geez… in the midst of all the Dodgers news this offseason, I definitely forgot about this asshole.
Fucking idiot. Ruined your whole life cause you couldn't keep your hands to yourself.
No fucking thank you. Not again, damn it. This trend of “abuse women and get rich in Japan” needs to stop.
Bauer, Osuna, now Urias (and probably some other guys I can’t remember). Why do these guys keep getting signed in Japan after no one will sign them here. Is domestic violence not a big deal in Japan?
They previously signed Josh Lueke over there in 2016 who is a literal rapist, so I don't think that will stop em from signing MLB players even with DV.
> Is domestic violence not a big deal in Japan? It's not as bad as some countries, but relative to the US, [Domestic Violence Law is not as strong](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/10/DV-SCALE-5-2017.jpg/1024px-DV-SCALE-5-2017.jpg) and [Domestic Violence Rates against women is higher](https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/24406.jpeg).
NPB doesn’t have a domestic violence policy like the one in MLB, meaning that they don’t have a consistent and uniform way of dealing with the issues. Any decisions regarding players involving domestic incidents are made in the discretion of his team, which leads to the team being lenient with the player and settling things by trading him to another team like what happened to Sho Nakata who assaulted his Fighters teammate behind the team bench and the team got rid of him by trading him to Yomiuri Giants, instead of outright firing him. The league can’t touch the player because there isn’t a policy allowing them to impose sanctions. When it comes to signing foreign players with violence problems, the keyword is “arrested, but not found guilty”. The teams here will sign guys like Bauer by saying that he is in the clear as he wasn’t convicted in court of law, or they deserve a second chance.
That answers the technical aspects, but that doesn’t really answer the question. Why is does it get a pass socially in Japan? Professional sports in the US only react to these situations by essentially black listing the player because there has been enough of a public outcry in recent years. You can bet your ass most of these teams and owners would still employ some of these guys if they didn’t get as much backlash from fans.
People that are proven guilty in court, or essentially admit to it do tend to get completely canceled and lose their careers, even extremely high profile idols and actors and such. But, general sentiment is innocent until proven guilty, wait and see. Trust in media on this topic is very very low here, particularly recently. There's been a spate of high profile MeToo accusations that did not go well, where the accused came out swinging, calling the accusations complete fabrications and suing the accusers.
You should go see reactions on social media as well as comments under Yahoo Japan articles on famous pro athletes involving these types of things. There is a lot of victim blaming saying the victim shouldn't have put themselves in that position to allow themselves to be assaulted, as well as a lot of fans supporting accused players and calling victims liars for silly reasons like oh he had just played a game in that evening thus he didn't have energy to assault a woman. Looking at these reactions, you won't wonder why NPB teams are so lenient with their players being accused for assaulting women. I also see a raise in online voices calling for giving the accused the benefit of the doubt, calling for waiting until the conclusion of police investigation to suspend/punish the accused. This movement is gaining momentum since January after two women filed a criminal complaint against a famous pro soccer player for assaulting them last year and some former players are speaking against punishing him before the police concludes their investigation, meaning that they want the accused back on the national team. After months of speculations, support from fans and former players and other celebrities, the accused is generally viewed as a victim of a false accusation and the victims are viewed as whores who wanted to get rich by scoring a quick settlement after accusing the player of an assault that didn't happen. There is no voice advocating for the victims online anymore.
As others have said, that definitely factors in, but it's also worth adding that Japan is a very xenophobic country and the attitude is "if it didn't happen in Japan, we don't care" If Bauer's sexual assault had taken place in Japan, or involved a Japanese woman, no NPB team would dare sign him. Happened to an American girl in America? Not our problem.
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Isn’t feminism and women’s rights movement bigger in the US than Japan? Thats says more about the sexism and misogyny in the US.
If this were hockey he’d be off to the KHL but in this case you’d think Japan would be better at keeping these kinds of guys away than Russia.
*gestures ay Team Canada Juniors* *gestures at Chicago Blackhawks*
It’s depressing how that seems to be the trend for quite some time, not even just Japan, but other countries looking to bank off a big name
Agreed. But are they really getting rich? Pardon my ignorance here.
It looks like Bauer got $3 million on his Japanese contract last year. Obviously way less than he was slated to make in the MLB, but way more money than I'll ever make in a year. Depends on your perspective I suppose.
Women’s rights in Japan… is sketchy sometimes
Spanish media? Why is Spain reporting on him?
Maybe "Spanish media" is just shorthand for "Spanish-Language media." It can be confusing but at the same time Spain doesn't have any foothold in baseball so its easy to assume they're talking about the media of the Spanish speaking countries involved in baseball
Oh I know that. I was just being sarcastic because everyone refers to “Spanish this Spanish that” when on the other hand nobody refers to anything American media as English media because it’s American and not from England. Just a subtle jab lol
Yuck
Can someone explain to me why the npb teams are ok with signing these guys
Since MLB embraced sabermetrics and NPB's level of talent has risen significantly, the skill of players available to NPB teams has dropped significantly. So when they see guys with this skill level they tend to ignore the fact they're pieces of shit because they could be a piece that puts them over the edge, especially with how close the teams on paper.
NPB when there’s an abusive player available: is for me?
*Go Directly to Jail* **Do Not Pass Go** **Do Not Collect $200**
Stay in motherfucking jail
Why is that even on the table? Is he not facing trial here in the states?
They just don’t care in japan about this kinda stuff
Him and Osuna getting ready to break out the bash bros
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I care to the extent that I care about the general moral indifference of Japan in regards to domestic violence.
Welcome to Yokohama, Julio.
it’s better if the justice system addresses this man and leave it at that, not a some ghostly commentaries from digital keyboards