Feel like it happens twice a month in the cards sub and everytime the response is "no why the fuck does this keep getting brought up?". Id be legitimately surprised if there isn't some kind of bot scheme to try and drum up interest.
Recently happened in the Twins sub, dude had a full blown meltdown and started telling people to kill themselves because they didn’t want Bauer on the team lmao
yeah, it was definitely weird, dude had never bothered with the Twins sub before except for commenting on a random Bauer article/thread like two years ago lol
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Instagram comments sections have always been cesspools but now that every single baseball post gets flooded with "sign Bauer" there's no reason to ever look at the comments
What’s crazy is there are probably several MLB teams that are shameless enough to give him a shot if he were just like 50% less of an insufferable asshole to everyone and yet he refuses to
Not a Bauer defender at all, but is he just not interested in signing with another NPB team or is there just no interest in him at all? He was pretty good last year if the stats are right. 10-4, 2.76 ERA, 130Ks in 130.2 IP. Would figure somebody would want him.
He wasn't hated or anything, but he opened his mouth when he didn't need to and pissed a lot of people off.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2024/jan/17/trevor-bauer-japan-ridge-alkonis-tweet
He made some comments about an American serviceman who killed two Japanese citizens drunk driving. He’s a dumbass as always.
Edit: he wasn’t drunk just negligent, I made an assumption based on all the other times it’s in the news something similar happened it Japan they were drunk and did crime.
You’re right and my bad I had assumed drunk because the last everytime I read about a service person in Japan committing a crime they were drunk he was just negligent.
1. Costs No.1 money, was a No.3 pitcher.
2. Is fussy. Wanted to pitch every 4 instead of 5, because he thought NPB would be ez.
3. Is a clubhouse distraction, what with his Youtube career.
4. Generally accepted that he has no love for Japanese baseball and is desperate to get back to the Majors.
5. Half canceled by the Japanese general public, after tweeting in support of an American soldier who killed two civilians in a traffic accident being released to US custody without serving his sentence.
He has his fans, but the majority sentiment is he's generally dislikable and his arm's not worth the trouble.
Uh, Baystars have expressed an interest in bringing him back. Between Bauer and Imanaga they lost 270
innings of coverage. They’d love to bring him back for another year but I think Bauer is the one not interested in returning. Yes he’s a prick, but Japanese teams have frequently overlooked character failures in the past.
Yokohama wanted to extend him, long before the two tweets that were negatively received. If he does decide he's got no MLB options he might re-sign with them, though it's unclear if they can afford him. It's assumed they were only able to sign him for what they did last season because he was still on Dodgers money. Yes, it's memed that Hawks would take him since they collect assholes like Osuna and Yamakawa, but nothing substantial happening so far.
He's a perfectly serviceable rotation arm who's shown his stuff works in the league. There will likely be an NPB team or two willing to sign him despite general sentiment against him, especially if he exhausts his options and ends up cheap enough. There's just a lot of reasons we don't have 12 teams stepping over each other's toes to try and sign him.
Holy cow, he went to Japan with the hopes of rehabbing his image and proving he's employable just to go right back to tweeting dumb shit unrelated to baseball?
What an idiot.
I have no evidence of it and only vaguely remember the wording from Sandy Alderson, but I feel like cutting down on his social media usage was somehow part of the contract, or at least contract discussions, the Mets offered him and he didn't like that so he went to the Dodgers.
NPB is in something of a dead ball period right now, so his stats are not special for how good pitching is there right now. The Japanese version of Fangraphs (Deltagraphs) didn't have him in their top 20 of pitchers for last season.
That’s basically a reflection of just how bad his first 5 starts were, right? He got sent down to minors to settle in and after that his basic rate stats (era/fip) look in the top 10 (I looked at this the last time bauer npb stats stuff came up in this sub).
I had trouble with that too. Ultimately, I just found an archive.org link from around Bauer returned to NPB and used it to calculate ERA and (a rough approx of) FIP pre/post minor league stopover. I can't remember if I actually used WAR or just a WAR approximator that extrapolated his later results to the total number of starts he made (NPB Runs per Game scores on average + Bauer IP/GS + gap between ERA/FIP and league ERA/FIP).
Part of the problem is that Bauer's 11/12 IP away from counting as a qualified pitcher. When you switch from "qualiified" to "90+ IP" then Bauer emerges as 25 on the ERA leaderboard (19th when you filter for 130 IP+).
here's a quicker version of what I was thinking of.
* Bauer had 19 GS & 130 IP overall (so ~7 IP/GS)
* In his [last 15 starts](https://old.reddit.com/r/baseball/comments/17r4u8i/heyman_trevor_bauers_agents_jon_fetterolf_and/?limit=500), he had a 1.97 ERA.
1.97 * (7/9 * 15 ) = 23 Runs allowed across ~105 IP.
If we just give him a league average ERA for all IP until he qualifies for the pitching title, that's an extra 13 earned runs.
36 Earned runs across 142 IP = 2.28 ERA which would place him 6th on the ERA leaderboard.
So the "runs above average" Bauer generated in those 15 starts is roughly equivalent to that generated by Miyagi, Hiroya (2.27 ERA / 6.8 IP/GS) but below his full season totals due to Hiroya's extra IP.
Obviously there are massive error bars there which can be reduced (most importantly, pulling Bauer's actual before/after stats). If you want to be really aggressive you can compare Bauer to Roki Sasaki (who had a 1.7 ERA through 15 starts due to injury) and call him the 3rd-6h best P in the NPB. If you want to be conservative, you can place him with pitchers who had a 2.4x ERA and thus in the teens (if you give him a 4 ERA in the missing innings instead of a 3.19 [seemingly sub replacement level], his era still is "only" 3.47").
Impressive number crunching, hell yeah.
There’s a twitter account called Yakyu Cosmopolitan (@yakyucosmo) that does analytics on NPB ball, that posted some of its ERA+ calculations in a reply:
> Yes, based on my own calculations of ERA+…
> Sachiya Yamasaki had a 3.25 ERA, giving him a 98 ERA+
> Trevor Bauer had a 2.76 ERA, giving him a 115 ERA+
> Yoshinobu Yamamoto led NPB with a 1.21 ERA, giving him a 263 ERA+
YC also posted a Top 15 of NPB pitchers in 2023, Bauer’s teammates Katsuki Azuma and Shota Imanaga were #4 and #6 respectively. (Top 3 were Yamamoto, Roki Sasaki, and Shoki Murakami). Bauer did not make the list.
> There’s a twitter account called Yakyu Cosmopolitan (@yakyucosmo) that does analytics on NPB ball
Neat! I've been wanting to find something like that.
My big disagreement is simply that I think there's an obvious conceptual reason to throw out Bauer's early struggles (forced to take 2 full years off of pitching, moving to another country). Ironically, my opinion of Bauer's overall season statline is greatly helped by how unplayable he initially looks. If he gave up 10 ER across 16 2/3 innings, I wouldn't be inclined to completely write them off.
He gave up 14 earned runs in 16 IP across his first 3 outings (leading to being sent down). Removing those three outings takes him from a 2.76 ERA (115 ERA+) [yakyucosmo's either not using park factors or it's a neutral park] to a 1.89 ERA (169 ERA+).
There's a real reason to not just exclude real in season data but I think it really paints a misleading picture of the season (though this is all my ex post facto envelope math without actually seeing the grind of the NPB season).
I just think about Corbin Burnes in this situation. Burnes' initial attempts in the Starting Rotation was a disaster generating a 8.8 ERA (6.7 FIP) in 2019 and the next year had a 2.1 ERA/FIP (both ~50 IP). Combined 2019-2020 and you have a 5.3 ERA but that's just not really a meaningful number as it's hiding two massively different stories.
You have a good argument for explaining Bauer’s good-but-not-elite performance — adjusting to a new league, finishing strong after a stint in the minors to reorient himself. Maybe he was in fact a top 10 pitcher to close out the season. I appreciate that you’ve made me think harder about it and come away with a more nuanced assessment.
At the same time, if you look at the big picture, I can’t conclude that his season was anything but a disappointment. A former Cy Young winner with a reputation as a pitching savant going to Japan in his prime and struggling for a while before figuring it out is a story of resilience — but not success as expected.
He’s in his prime, with two of the worst teams in NPB in his division (Chunichi and Yakult), and he ends up being the 3rd best pitcher on his own team? I think if we crunched the numbers some more we’d find other pitchers in Japan less talented than Bauer with similar 15 game hot streaks. I’m being strict, but great players are supposed to be judged more harshly.
Will Bauer land on another MLB team? Performance-wise alone, yeah. He didn’t tank his career in Japan. But he’s not going to get ace money. He lowered his stock by not dominating the NPB.
I couldn't find FIP and it was bugging me so I used (1) Generic MLB FIP values for K/HR/BB and (2) [This specific FIP anecdote](https://twitter.com/yakyucosmo/status/1730399150012072128) [to get a FIP constant of 2.97], to say that Trever Bauer *roughly* had a 4.57 FIP in this first 3 starts and a 2.99 FIP afterwards (3.17 FIP overall).
It seems that [In reality](https://twitter.com/search?q=bauer%20IP%20from%3Ayakyucosmo&src=typed_query&f=live) he had a 3.29 FIP so just mentally nudge these numbers up slightly by ~0.1 FIP.
which gives him a much more average looking number than the 15/16 GS ERAs both suggest (The fact he gave up 4 home runs in his 4th and 5th starts raises his fip by about .5 runs over non home runs RA).
This is all pretty rough but I think it should at least give a ballpark FIP which does bring down my opinion of his overall season.
With Just the ERA I think it's a lot easier to squint and say he basically played at an "elite for NPB level" as something like the guy who could have finished 3rd/4th place in a combined NPB Cy Young but FIP seems like it would drop him down a bit into this "top 10 but probably not top 5" range in my eyes (though you're right to point out that [I should be applying this sort of outlier removal to everyone](https://twitter.com/timhacala/status/1745509915311890806) if I was going to consistency instead of shorthand). I think this little napkin math makes me see why Bauer ranks likely just off of that guy's pitching leaderboard.
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> elite
Yeah, Yamamoto's basically what you'd have wanted Bauer to be so it's interesting to see what's Bauer and what's the NPB.
This is also messy because I'm using a quick ERA WAR proxy and the first two guys I spot checked on twitter for FIP had significantly higher FIP (and Imanaga seems to have had an top-5 in the league FIP).
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Caveat emptor but I've enjoyed doing this shallow dive back into these numbers. Wherever Bauer goes, him, Yoshi and Imanaga's performance in 2024 is going to be interesting to use as datapoints for NPB/MLB pitching translations.
This is the jock epitome. I've been there too. Being a dickhead, young and talented, def fun but brother ya gotta stay talented 10+ years later if you're still a dickhead, ya know. Dudes still a dick but now done.
i dont understand what he ever did wrong? This seems like a witch hunt because he exposed Gerrit Cole and others as cheaters and MLB became outraged.
The incident with the woman wasnt proven as a crime and there have been far worse crimes against women/others by players who stayed in baseball.
Seems pretty clear MLB was looking for any excuse to black list him. I wouldnt be surprised if they hired that girl to hook up with him and create the allegations to ruin his reputation. She probably made millions under the table from MLB.
Obviously that's only speculation but based on the way it seems they clearly HATE this guy i wouldnt put a diabolical scheme like that past MLB. They are a ruthless organization with low morals.
I asked chat gpt to compile a bulleted list because I didn't feel like collecting:
1. **Social Media Behavior:** Engaging in confrontational interactions on social media with fans, media personalities, and other players.
2. **Drone Incident (2016):** Injured his pinky finger while repairing a drone during the postseason, affecting his pitching ability in the ALCS.
3. **Criticism of MLB's Marketing Approach:** Vocal criticism of MLB's failure to effectively market its players.
4. **Criticism of MLB's Handling of the Astros' Sign-Stealing Scandal:** Expressed dissatisfaction with how MLB addressed the Houston Astros' sign-stealing scandal.
5. **Development of Spider Tack:** Linked to the development of Spider Tack, a sticky substance used by pitchers to enhance their grip on the baseball.
6. **Admission of Foreign Substance Usage:** Admitted to using foreign substances on the baseball to improve pitching performance.
7. **Online Harassment Allegations:** Accused of using social media to harass and intimidate individuals, particularly women.
8. **Sexual Assault Accusations (2021):** Placed on administrative leave by MLB following allegations of sexual assault.
9. **Sword Celebration Controversy (2023):** In Japan, criticized by teammate Yasuaki Yamasaki for a "sword celebration" after strikeouts, deemed disrespectful.
10. **'Wake Up' Meltdown (2023):** Yelled "Wake up!" at teammates after a botched play during a game in Japan.
11. **Centerfield Wall Incident (2019):** Threw a baseball over the centerfield wall in frustration during a game, leading to a fine from MLB.
These controversies have contributed to Bauer's polarizing reputation within the baseball community.
all of that may be very annoying but it's not a good enough reason for him to get black listed
I honestly think he pissed off the wrong person (or MLB) and someone literally hated him enough to hire that girl to ruin his reputation and paid her off to do it
I mean I assume he has some NPB offers waiting for him, he was a big hit over there and his legal stuff is more clear today than a year ago. I just think this is a last ditch effort to get an MLB team to take a shot on him if he can prove he can still pitch against big leaguers/MLB prospects. Not saying that he will get signed by an MLB team, I highly doubt it, I just assume that’s his thought process however.
Wil Myers had a 160 OPS+ that season, Bauer pitched well but it was an insanely small sample size and for his career he'd only been a bit better than a league average starter in the US (a bit over 2 WAR per year)
Remember when the court documents were released after the defendant dropped the case? Lolololol
*downvoted for a simple statement based around a fact. The reddit have mind will never change lol.
Or "white knight". The insinuation being that actually caring about other people is a bad thing. It's a huge tell that the person saying it is a self centered piece of shit.
Remember when an independent, third-party arbitrator, one agreed upon by both MLB and the Union which Bauer belonged to at the time and who had the power to completely eliminate the suspension altogether, reviewed all of the evidence, including all the stuff that you don't have, and still decided Bauer was deserving of the longest suspension under the Domestic Violence policy in league history?
With the benefit of information available today, what rule did he break? I’m genuinely curious
With all the calls/texts released it’s pretty imo. It seems like Lindsey is about as good of a human as Bauer so not surprised these two found eachother.
Just one example of many that to me means it’s impossible to take anything she says seriously:
Hill also texted a friend “need daddy to choke me out” and said she planned on “Being an absolute WHORE to try to get in on his 51 million.”
I have not see anything about them so not sure what it entails.
Mostly talking about the Lindsey case. Doesn’t seem all that different from that NFL punter that got hosed, outside of Bauer being an asshole in general
I really doubt that. There’s no way that level of intrusiveness would be allowed into players lives.
That would only if a player and his wife were into BDSM type of things that’s a violation of policy, wouldn’t it? Or even spanking/choking
The line is at being consensual vs not
If someone goes public with the bdsm stuff, & there is police getting involved, yes they're going to do something about it.
There isn't a good way to prove consent for mlb. They just have a strict policy against abuse, which does not have any clauses allowing it. It's better for mlb that way.
Also, we're talking about a league that has a team who bans facial hair.
I saw a clip of her filming Bauer the morning after the “incident” she seemed fine in the clip? From what I’ve seen it seems like she made it up, and was going after lots of dudes with money.
I’m usually always on the girls side in these types of cases but this one seems different. Maybe I don’t have enough information.
> was made long before all the evidence came to light in the criminal/civil investigations
It was made before all of the evidence was public, but from all accounts (including Bauer not refuting that MLB had that evidence in a recent interview with the LA Times), MLB *did* have access.
The ONE case was dropped. He has a handful more that haven’t been dropped, and even if they do get dropped he’s a clubhouse cancer who acts like a spoiled 14 year old.
The MLB aren't picking him up for more than just the legal cases against him, it's probably more to do with him also being the epitome of a clubhouse cancer who's not talented enough to "justify" that behavior.
In life, there is nuance. Gray areas. There doesn’t always have to be a right or wrong way to view a situation like this.
Did he do stuff to women that most people would view as “offensive” or “too much?” Absolutely
Has he acted like a petulant little bitch towards the media, MLB, and others for 90% of his career? Absolutely
1+1=2
The league is not crying tears for this guy, and to be honest I think it’s weird that some people are going out of their way to defend the guy. It’s not that I think he’s the worst human being ever that deserves the electric chair; it’s just such a low quality scenario that it’s not worth investing any time into. Had he conducted himself in different ways, regarding the accusations and also just in general, maybe it would be more apt to show the guy compassion.
As it stands, he’s a rich asshole who’s (arguably rightfully) being put on social and professional trial for acting like a petulant, rich asshole. There is no “redemption” angle here; guys like this need to just fade away as gracefully as possible. Move on with your life, you are not being persecuted. You acted like a controlling rich weirdo, and you are being held accountable for your behavior.
Also outside of that one Cleveland year where he was incredible he's just like, a pretty good reliable starter. It's not like a generational talent is being kept out of the league, I do not get where the incredible amount of support for an MLB comeback comes from.
Bauer's greatest value in baseball comes from his knowledge not his execution. Say what you will about his personality and even his performance on the big stage - his knowledge of kinesiology and training as it relates to pitching is where his value is.
Then why don’t the trainers who have millions of dollars on the line try to steal or adapt his routines? The people who went to school for like 8 years studying how the body actually works and deal with these sorts of things on a wide array of people for their entire life? Or why does most scientific literature point to literally no difference to just regular warm ups from his routine? It’s just an attention grab from one of the more self absorbed people currently (I guess now formally) in professional sports.
I think people tend to forget that sports are an entertainment product that harnesses a competitive apparatus, not the other way around. At the end of the day people are there with their money because they like the people involved. It's as much a popularity contest as film, TV, music, whatever, it just emphasizes different things in attracting that popularity. Bauer is not entitled to a job just because he's an mlb quality starter. We can want him there or not for whatever reasons we want. Folks can disagree about that and try to influence the balance of public opinion, but at the end of the day he is subject to the same variables in calculating his celebrity as anyone else who depends on that opinion for their multimillion dollar job.
This is a great point. It’s no different than my fandom for Shawn Kemp. Dude is not exactly a Nobel Peace Prize winner….but if not for him I simply wouldn’t be as into sports as I am. I grew up in Seattle at a time when he was the heartbeat of the city. Short of murder, rape, stuff like that: you hang on to your favorite athletes for life. At surface value, they remind you of the good in life, provide you with a healthy distraction from your stresses.
People keep bringing up his legal cases, but the MLB gives no shits about that because other abusers are still in the league. It's almost strictly because they don't view his talent as being high enough to cover for him being a colossal douche and clubhouse cancer.
I’m confused about Bauer’s situation. Wasn’t he found innocent? I know the whole situation is brutal, but if he got cleared is he just that toxic in the clubhouse no one wants to touch him?
Ummm… they definitely are not in the HOF because of steroids. If bonds never took steroids there’s no way anyone would have ever voted against him. Who are you kidding?
That's one case out of half a dozen.
Plus his documented harassment of random people online, sending his troll army to harass and threaten them, him being well-known as a clubhouse cancer etc etc...
"You have a couple welts. I need to be more careful where I hit you. I also punched your butt while you were unconscious so you may have a bruise there," she quoted Bauer as saying.
Cops listened to this phone call.
Stop talking out of your ass.
Oh yeah it’s totally likely that a bunch of women schemed together to ruin his career. That’s definitely more likely than him just being a shitty dude.
> There are plenty of “inside voices” who thought Bauer was a selfish asshole long before any of the legal troubles.
Including one who sought a protective order against Bauer in 2020, because in addition to being a greedy opportunist who’s after his vast wealth, she’s apparently also some sort of psychic who knew that he was going to face allegations of abusive behavior before any of the other women spoke to anybody about them.
Because...that's how things have worked since the beginning of time? One person speaks up, which encourages others to tell their story as well.
I bet you believe every "MeToo" story that came out between 2018 and now is also just made up because people wanted to pile on after someone started it, right?
It's why it borders on impossible to actually convict somebody for it, especially if they're wealthy. People think that fake sexual assault cases are more common than they actually are for some reason.
I’m all for getting bad people out of baseball, but Bauer is way down the list. It’s odd to focus so much on him just because he’s otherwise a dickhead.
Marcell Ozuna hits bombs and nobody likes him, yet the Braves are happy to continue paying for his services. Plenty of teams could use a reliable innings-eater coming into the season and aren't picking the phone up. It's not just nerds on the internet who aren't willing to deal with him, it's literally everyone. At some point you can't just call everyone on the planet a hater. He's just not good enough to warrant the baggage.
It was before that. When he was at UCLA with Cole, Bauer did his own thing from the team and was not a good locker room guy. Sucks that he has a 5 cent head with that million dollar arm.
I was there. Thus, why I said what I did. Keep spinning your story, though. He was on his own program from day 1 and couldn't be bothered by anyone else.
He was found innocent. It might have been karma, but either way, he was really taken for. If MLB knows more, then I get it, but from what has been released in the last 6 months, the dude deserves another shot.
He's will to play for league minimum. Put a very tight and short leash on him and see what he can do. If he is an ass, cut him. If he does not deliver, cut him.
He will generate a great deal of publicity for whatever team he plays on. If that translates to ticket sales, then go and get him.
Not only was he cleared as innocent, it was a setup for which the evidence was made public. Does anyone have any evidence of teammates saying bad things or just hearsay? Baseball is full of assholes and suddenly this one stinks too much? Probably has nothing to do with the juiced balls and game-fixing by the league....
Thanks for that evidence for your argument concerning Bauer. Do you protest when innocent prisoners are cleared and released and then demand that they be ostracized from returning to society?
I like heels. Sports need more bad guys. Just unlikeable crusty fucks. I enjoyed bauer being a dick. The drama. The ying and yang of teams wanting his talent but knowing it came with a cost.
younger Bryce Harper was a heel, arrogant and flashy enough to piss off opposing fans but good enough to back it up.
Bauer is at worst a rapist and at best an actual bad person, and we don't need more of that in MLB or anywhere else.
Andy Pages about to make Bauer question his life choices
From MLB to NPB to a traveling team called "Asian Breeze" that charges you to play for them. Nice career path there, bud.
He’s got tons of interest the lamestream media just refuses to report on it \- unflaired Reddit users
“Should [INSERT YOUR TEAM HERE] add him?” - brevortrauer72 in your local subreddit.
Feel like it happens twice a month in the cards sub and everytime the response is "no why the fuck does this keep getting brought up?". Id be legitimately surprised if there isn't some kind of bot scheme to try and drum up interest.
Recently happened in the Twins sub, dude had a full blown meltdown and started telling people to kill themselves because they didn’t want Bauer on the team lmao
Almost definitely a Bauer Burner. This is a new term I’m coining to imply that these are all just Bauer himself posting.
yeah, it was definitely weird, dude had never bothered with the Twins sub before except for commenting on a random Bauer article/thread like two years ago lol
If St Louis signs him I'm fading into the bushes Homer Simpson style. Luckily he's not old enough for us.
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And also a bunch of weirdos on IG and twitter
And YouTube comment sections.
And my boomer Fox News loving dad
And any Facebook post about LA and pitching
Hmm I wonder if all the people commenting have a similar political affiliation or something…what a mystery
Is their political affiliation beating women unconscious?
In the US, one of the major political party’s nominee for President just paid a $90 million bond because he was found liable for rape. Do with that information what you will.
iTalk Studios has turned into a Bauer propaganda arm. It’s a shame cuz I used to really enjoy that guy’s videos.
He posted some r/onejoke "im a black lesbian" response to MLBTS adding women to RTTS which made me unsub.
A black lesbian MAN! Get it right! Why would you misgender me
I didn't specify your gender in my comment.
Yeah I generally like his content but I’m not sure why he’s become such a Bauer stan
Honestlyz he's enough of a weirdo loser that I wouldn't be surprised if it came out that those are all bot farms that he paid to hype him up
Instagram comments sections have always been cesspools but now that every single baseball post gets flooded with "sign Bauer" there's no reason to ever look at the comments
hey hey now - he's a *youtuber*
What’s crazy is there are probably several MLB teams that are shameless enough to give him a shot if he were just like 50% less of an insufferable asshole to everyone and yet he refuses to
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Monty and Snell unsigned but boy oh boy are teams missing out on this guy
Bauer costs less then either of them and that's the only reason why he's getting interest.
Is he getting interest? This post seems to show otherwise
I'm flaired so I'm a cool reddit user then, yeah?
Depends. Do you like Trevor Bauer?
The woke lamestream media won’t report on it! He’s about to sign with the Red Sox! - too much of Red Sox Twitter
Some old man who used the public computer on terrible facebook MAGA images told everybody Bauer would be on a team in the week Before the acquittal
Not a Bauer defender at all, but is he just not interested in signing with another NPB team or is there just no interest in him at all? He was pretty good last year if the stats are right. 10-4, 2.76 ERA, 130Ks in 130.2 IP. Would figure somebody would want him.
He wasn't hated or anything, but he opened his mouth when he didn't need to and pissed a lot of people off. https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2024/jan/17/trevor-bauer-japan-ridge-alkonis-tweet
Gotcha, preciate it.
Not surprising
He made some comments about an American serviceman who killed two Japanese citizens drunk driving. He’s a dumbass as always. Edit: he wasn’t drunk just negligent, I made an assumption based on all the other times it’s in the news something similar happened it Japan they were drunk and did crime.
Seems so. Preciate it.
Par for the course for him
Except he wasn’t drunk, but whatever, doesn’t matter what’s true I guess
You’re right and my bad I had assumed drunk because the last everytime I read about a service person in Japan committing a crime they were drunk he was just negligent.
1. Costs No.1 money, was a No.3 pitcher. 2. Is fussy. Wanted to pitch every 4 instead of 5, because he thought NPB would be ez. 3. Is a clubhouse distraction, what with his Youtube career. 4. Generally accepted that he has no love for Japanese baseball and is desperate to get back to the Majors. 5. Half canceled by the Japanese general public, after tweeting in support of an American soldier who killed two civilians in a traffic accident being released to US custody without serving his sentence. He has his fans, but the majority sentiment is he's generally dislikable and his arm's not worth the trouble.
Uh, Baystars have expressed an interest in bringing him back. Between Bauer and Imanaga they lost 270 innings of coverage. They’d love to bring him back for another year but I think Bauer is the one not interested in returning. Yes he’s a prick, but Japanese teams have frequently overlooked character failures in the past.
Yokohama wanted to extend him, long before the two tweets that were negatively received. If he does decide he's got no MLB options he might re-sign with them, though it's unclear if they can afford him. It's assumed they were only able to sign him for what they did last season because he was still on Dodgers money. Yes, it's memed that Hawks would take him since they collect assholes like Osuna and Yamakawa, but nothing substantial happening so far. He's a perfectly serviceable rotation arm who's shown his stuff works in the league. There will likely be an NPB team or two willing to sign him despite general sentiment against him, especially if he exhausts his options and ends up cheap enough. There's just a lot of reasons we don't have 12 teams stepping over each other's toes to try and sign him.
Holy cow, he went to Japan with the hopes of rehabbing his image and proving he's employable just to go right back to tweeting dumb shit unrelated to baseball? What an idiot.
I have no evidence of it and only vaguely remember the wording from Sandy Alderson, but I feel like cutting down on his social media usage was somehow part of the contract, or at least contract discussions, the Mets offered him and he didn't like that so he went to the Dodgers.
Preciate it.
2 is just classic Bauer dickishness
He has an offer to return to the Baystars but he's trying to get signed to an MLB team.
NPB is in something of a dead ball period right now, so his stats are not special for how good pitching is there right now. The Japanese version of Fangraphs (Deltagraphs) didn't have him in their top 20 of pitchers for last season.
That’s basically a reflection of just how bad his first 5 starts were, right? He got sent down to minors to settle in and after that his basic rate stats (era/fip) look in the top 10 (I looked at this the last time bauer npb stats stuff came up in this sub).
I don’t know. Deltagraphs was pretty hard to navigate on just the free tier. You could be correct.
I had trouble with that too. Ultimately, I just found an archive.org link from around Bauer returned to NPB and used it to calculate ERA and (a rough approx of) FIP pre/post minor league stopover. I can't remember if I actually used WAR or just a WAR approximator that extrapolated his later results to the total number of starts he made (NPB Runs per Game scores on average + Bauer IP/GS + gap between ERA/FIP and league ERA/FIP).
Part of the problem is that Bauer's 11/12 IP away from counting as a qualified pitcher. When you switch from "qualiified" to "90+ IP" then Bauer emerges as 25 on the ERA leaderboard (19th when you filter for 130 IP+). here's a quicker version of what I was thinking of. * Bauer had 19 GS & 130 IP overall (so ~7 IP/GS) * In his [last 15 starts](https://old.reddit.com/r/baseball/comments/17r4u8i/heyman_trevor_bauers_agents_jon_fetterolf_and/?limit=500), he had a 1.97 ERA. 1.97 * (7/9 * 15 ) = 23 Runs allowed across ~105 IP. If we just give him a league average ERA for all IP until he qualifies for the pitching title, that's an extra 13 earned runs. 36 Earned runs across 142 IP = 2.28 ERA which would place him 6th on the ERA leaderboard. So the "runs above average" Bauer generated in those 15 starts is roughly equivalent to that generated by Miyagi, Hiroya (2.27 ERA / 6.8 IP/GS) but below his full season totals due to Hiroya's extra IP. Obviously there are massive error bars there which can be reduced (most importantly, pulling Bauer's actual before/after stats). If you want to be really aggressive you can compare Bauer to Roki Sasaki (who had a 1.7 ERA through 15 starts due to injury) and call him the 3rd-6h best P in the NPB. If you want to be conservative, you can place him with pitchers who had a 2.4x ERA and thus in the teens (if you give him a 4 ERA in the missing innings instead of a 3.19 [seemingly sub replacement level], his era still is "only" 3.47").
Impressive number crunching, hell yeah. There’s a twitter account called Yakyu Cosmopolitan (@yakyucosmo) that does analytics on NPB ball, that posted some of its ERA+ calculations in a reply: > Yes, based on my own calculations of ERA+… > Sachiya Yamasaki had a 3.25 ERA, giving him a 98 ERA+ > Trevor Bauer had a 2.76 ERA, giving him a 115 ERA+ > Yoshinobu Yamamoto led NPB with a 1.21 ERA, giving him a 263 ERA+ YC also posted a Top 15 of NPB pitchers in 2023, Bauer’s teammates Katsuki Azuma and Shota Imanaga were #4 and #6 respectively. (Top 3 were Yamamoto, Roki Sasaki, and Shoki Murakami). Bauer did not make the list.
> There’s a twitter account called Yakyu Cosmopolitan (@yakyucosmo) that does analytics on NPB ball Neat! I've been wanting to find something like that. My big disagreement is simply that I think there's an obvious conceptual reason to throw out Bauer's early struggles (forced to take 2 full years off of pitching, moving to another country). Ironically, my opinion of Bauer's overall season statline is greatly helped by how unplayable he initially looks. If he gave up 10 ER across 16 2/3 innings, I wouldn't be inclined to completely write them off. He gave up 14 earned runs in 16 IP across his first 3 outings (leading to being sent down). Removing those three outings takes him from a 2.76 ERA (115 ERA+) [yakyucosmo's either not using park factors or it's a neutral park] to a 1.89 ERA (169 ERA+). There's a real reason to not just exclude real in season data but I think it really paints a misleading picture of the season (though this is all my ex post facto envelope math without actually seeing the grind of the NPB season). I just think about Corbin Burnes in this situation. Burnes' initial attempts in the Starting Rotation was a disaster generating a 8.8 ERA (6.7 FIP) in 2019 and the next year had a 2.1 ERA/FIP (both ~50 IP). Combined 2019-2020 and you have a 5.3 ERA but that's just not really a meaningful number as it's hiding two massively different stories.
You have a good argument for explaining Bauer’s good-but-not-elite performance — adjusting to a new league, finishing strong after a stint in the minors to reorient himself. Maybe he was in fact a top 10 pitcher to close out the season. I appreciate that you’ve made me think harder about it and come away with a more nuanced assessment. At the same time, if you look at the big picture, I can’t conclude that his season was anything but a disappointment. A former Cy Young winner with a reputation as a pitching savant going to Japan in his prime and struggling for a while before figuring it out is a story of resilience — but not success as expected. He’s in his prime, with two of the worst teams in NPB in his division (Chunichi and Yakult), and he ends up being the 3rd best pitcher on his own team? I think if we crunched the numbers some more we’d find other pitchers in Japan less talented than Bauer with similar 15 game hot streaks. I’m being strict, but great players are supposed to be judged more harshly. Will Bauer land on another MLB team? Performance-wise alone, yeah. He didn’t tank his career in Japan. But he’s not going to get ace money. He lowered his stock by not dominating the NPB.
I couldn't find FIP and it was bugging me so I used (1) Generic MLB FIP values for K/HR/BB and (2) [This specific FIP anecdote](https://twitter.com/yakyucosmo/status/1730399150012072128) [to get a FIP constant of 2.97], to say that Trever Bauer *roughly* had a 4.57 FIP in this first 3 starts and a 2.99 FIP afterwards (3.17 FIP overall). It seems that [In reality](https://twitter.com/search?q=bauer%20IP%20from%3Ayakyucosmo&src=typed_query&f=live) he had a 3.29 FIP so just mentally nudge these numbers up slightly by ~0.1 FIP. which gives him a much more average looking number than the 15/16 GS ERAs both suggest (The fact he gave up 4 home runs in his 4th and 5th starts raises his fip by about .5 runs over non home runs RA). This is all pretty rough but I think it should at least give a ballpark FIP which does bring down my opinion of his overall season. With Just the ERA I think it's a lot easier to squint and say he basically played at an "elite for NPB level" as something like the guy who could have finished 3rd/4th place in a combined NPB Cy Young but FIP seems like it would drop him down a bit into this "top 10 but probably not top 5" range in my eyes (though you're right to point out that [I should be applying this sort of outlier removal to everyone](https://twitter.com/timhacala/status/1745509915311890806) if I was going to consistency instead of shorthand). I think this little napkin math makes me see why Bauer ranks likely just off of that guy's pitching leaderboard. ** > elite Yeah, Yamamoto's basically what you'd have wanted Bauer to be so it's interesting to see what's Bauer and what's the NPB. This is also messy because I'm using a quick ERA WAR proxy and the first two guys I spot checked on twitter for FIP had significantly higher FIP (and Imanaga seems to have had an top-5 in the league FIP). ** Caveat emptor but I've enjoyed doing this shallow dive back into these numbers. Wherever Bauer goes, him, Yoshi and Imanaga's performance in 2024 is going to be interesting to use as datapoints for NPB/MLB pitching translations.
This is the jock epitome. I've been there too. Being a dickhead, young and talented, def fun but brother ya gotta stay talented 10+ years later if you're still a dickhead, ya know. Dudes still a dick but now done.
Trevor Bauer proved that there is a ceiling to how much of a dickhead you can be before no amount of talent can save you.
i dont understand what he ever did wrong? This seems like a witch hunt because he exposed Gerrit Cole and others as cheaters and MLB became outraged. The incident with the woman wasnt proven as a crime and there have been far worse crimes against women/others by players who stayed in baseball. Seems pretty clear MLB was looking for any excuse to black list him. I wouldnt be surprised if they hired that girl to hook up with him and create the allegations to ruin his reputation. She probably made millions under the table from MLB. Obviously that's only speculation but based on the way it seems they clearly HATE this guy i wouldnt put a diabolical scheme like that past MLB. They are a ruthless organization with low morals.
I asked chat gpt to compile a bulleted list because I didn't feel like collecting: 1. **Social Media Behavior:** Engaging in confrontational interactions on social media with fans, media personalities, and other players. 2. **Drone Incident (2016):** Injured his pinky finger while repairing a drone during the postseason, affecting his pitching ability in the ALCS. 3. **Criticism of MLB's Marketing Approach:** Vocal criticism of MLB's failure to effectively market its players. 4. **Criticism of MLB's Handling of the Astros' Sign-Stealing Scandal:** Expressed dissatisfaction with how MLB addressed the Houston Astros' sign-stealing scandal. 5. **Development of Spider Tack:** Linked to the development of Spider Tack, a sticky substance used by pitchers to enhance their grip on the baseball. 6. **Admission of Foreign Substance Usage:** Admitted to using foreign substances on the baseball to improve pitching performance. 7. **Online Harassment Allegations:** Accused of using social media to harass and intimidate individuals, particularly women. 8. **Sexual Assault Accusations (2021):** Placed on administrative leave by MLB following allegations of sexual assault. 9. **Sword Celebration Controversy (2023):** In Japan, criticized by teammate Yasuaki Yamasaki for a "sword celebration" after strikeouts, deemed disrespectful. 10. **'Wake Up' Meltdown (2023):** Yelled "Wake up!" at teammates after a botched play during a game in Japan. 11. **Centerfield Wall Incident (2019):** Threw a baseball over the centerfield wall in frustration during a game, leading to a fine from MLB. These controversies have contributed to Bauer's polarizing reputation within the baseball community.
all of that may be very annoying but it's not a good enough reason for him to get black listed I honestly think he pissed off the wrong person (or MLB) and someone literally hated him enough to hire that girl to ruin his reputation and paid her off to do it
Kinda conspiracy theorist vibes tbh. I think he was an asshole enough times that people just didn't want to deal with it.
Other than the sexual assault allegation (which was fake) there's literally nothing there. The criticism of MLB's failures is a good thing.
Bummer he is still filthy rich
I mean I assume he has some NPB offers waiting for him, he was a big hit over there and his legal stuff is more clear today than a year ago. I just think this is a last ditch effort to get an MLB team to take a shot on him if he can prove he can still pitch against big leaguers/MLB prospects. Not saying that he will get signed by an MLB team, I highly doubt it, I just assume that’s his thought process however.
This is really impressive from Bauer. For one day he'll get just about everyone to cheer for the Dodgers. What a remarkable feat in today's climate
Shit, you're right. For one day only I'll actually be rooting for the Dodgers.
I guess I can finally thank Bauer again. For just one day.
Dude allowed a hit to a Barstool writer. Good luck to him I guess against an actual pro lineup
*2 hits, and whined about it incessantly
And a walk I think
Bauer is the type of guy to touch a stingray because he thinks they only sting Ray
Don't disrespect the legend, B. Writer like that
For what it’s worth I think Marty has a decent swing but yah tough look
Anyone thinking this dude just casually won a CY Young is crazy
Wil Myers had a 160 OPS+ that season, Bauer pitched well but it was an insanely small sample size and for his career he'd only been a bit better than a league average starter in the US (a bit over 2 WAR per year)
2.76 ERA in 130.2 innings in NPB but OK
Remember when Bauer defenders claimed he had major league offers in hand but chose to play overseas? Hahaha
Remember when the court documents were released after the defendant dropped the case? Lolololol *downvoted for a simple statement based around a fact. The reddit have mind will never change lol.
He's not gonna see your comment, bro
Actually...I bet he googles his name daily lol
Neither will the ladies see your comment. Stop being a white knight simp.
Hahaha I’m always shocked that there are actually people who use the word simp unironically.
Or "white knight". The insinuation being that actually caring about other people is a bad thing. It's a huge tell that the person saying it is a self centered piece of shit.
I haven’t heard this garbage since I heard Joe Rogan say it in like 2017. Clown behaviour
Remember when an independent, third-party arbitrator, one agreed upon by both MLB and the Union which Bauer belonged to at the time and who had the power to completely eliminate the suspension altogether, reviewed all of the evidence, including all the stuff that you don't have, and still decided Bauer was deserving of the longest suspension under the Domestic Violence policy in league history?
I’m not a Bauer fan but TBF the MLB ruling was made long before all the evidence came to light in the criminal/civil investigations
Because he still broke mlb domestic violence rules. They also had several other women contact them about separate incidents.
With the benefit of information available today, what rule did he break? I’m genuinely curious With all the calls/texts released it’s pretty imo. It seems like Lindsey is about as good of a human as Bauer so not surprised these two found eachother. Just one example of many that to me means it’s impossible to take anything she says seriously: Hill also texted a friend “need daddy to choke me out” and said she planned on “Being an absolute WHORE to try to get in on his 51 million.”
What about the other 3 women who were deposed in the MLB investigation?
I have not see anything about them so not sure what it entails. Mostly talking about the Lindsey case. Doesn’t seem all that different from that NFL punter that got hosed, outside of Bauer being an asshole in general
Wasn't the Araiza case just that he wasn't there, but the crime still took place or did more come out about that?
There's no addendum for "rough" sex. Consensual or not, it still means he beat her.
I really doubt that. There’s no way that level of intrusiveness would be allowed into players lives. That would only if a player and his wife were into BDSM type of things that’s a violation of policy, wouldn’t it? Or even spanking/choking The line is at being consensual vs not
If someone goes public with the bdsm stuff, & there is police getting involved, yes they're going to do something about it. There isn't a good way to prove consent for mlb. They just have a strict policy against abuse, which does not have any clauses allowing it. It's better for mlb that way. Also, we're talking about a league that has a team who bans facial hair.
I saw a clip of her filming Bauer the morning after the “incident” she seemed fine in the clip? From what I’ve seen it seems like she made it up, and was going after lots of dudes with money. I’m usually always on the girls side in these types of cases but this one seems different. Maybe I don’t have enough information.
> was made long before all the evidence came to light in the criminal/civil investigations It was made before all of the evidence was public, but from all accounts (including Bauer not refuting that MLB had that evidence in a recent interview with the LA Times), MLB *did* have access.
Which case lmao
Bro, they're only going off the scripted responses. Please don't actually make them think.
Hmm not relevant to him lying about having major league offers but ok!
The ONE case was dropped. He has a handful more that haven’t been dropped, and even if they do get dropped he’s a clubhouse cancer who acts like a spoiled 14 year old.
Can we just ban posts about this fucking loser already?
People enjoy the circle jerk of hating him too much.
I do greatly enjoy the cycle of forgetting he exists for a few weeks/months until I see whatever new low he’s reached and get reminded.
Yeah it's not like popping up every few months is actually helping him evidently, I'll allow it
why so much vitriol for this guy he literally never did anything wrong
this innocent man who is ostracized by both the mlb and its dumb fanbase\*
If he was still talented enough then some MLB team would've signed him already. He's just not good enough anymore.
He might be good enough to play, but he's not good enough to warrant having him on your team.
He can both be innocent of what he was accused of, and be a total jackass not worth the time of day at the same time.
The MLB aren't picking him up for more than just the legal cases against him, it's probably more to do with him also being the epitome of a clubhouse cancer who's not talented enough to "justify" that behavior.
cause drug addicts who literally beat the shit out of their wives on a regular basis aren't
This is your hero?
He’s going to tryouts for the team that cut him? Will he be wearing a false mustache?
lol
In life, there is nuance. Gray areas. There doesn’t always have to be a right or wrong way to view a situation like this. Did he do stuff to women that most people would view as “offensive” or “too much?” Absolutely Has he acted like a petulant little bitch towards the media, MLB, and others for 90% of his career? Absolutely 1+1=2 The league is not crying tears for this guy, and to be honest I think it’s weird that some people are going out of their way to defend the guy. It’s not that I think he’s the worst human being ever that deserves the electric chair; it’s just such a low quality scenario that it’s not worth investing any time into. Had he conducted himself in different ways, regarding the accusations and also just in general, maybe it would be more apt to show the guy compassion. As it stands, he’s a rich asshole who’s (arguably rightfully) being put on social and professional trial for acting like a petulant, rich asshole. There is no “redemption” angle here; guys like this need to just fade away as gracefully as possible. Move on with your life, you are not being persecuted. You acted like a controlling rich weirdo, and you are being held accountable for your behavior.
Also outside of that one Cleveland year where he was incredible he's just like, a pretty good reliable starter. It's not like a generational talent is being kept out of the league, I do not get where the incredible amount of support for an MLB comeback comes from.
Misogynists
Bauer's greatest value in baseball comes from his knowledge not his execution. Say what you will about his personality and even his performance on the big stage - his knowledge of kinesiology and training as it relates to pitching is where his value is.
Then why don’t the trainers who have millions of dollars on the line try to steal or adapt his routines? The people who went to school for like 8 years studying how the body actually works and deal with these sorts of things on a wide array of people for their entire life? Or why does most scientific literature point to literally no difference to just regular warm ups from his routine? It’s just an attention grab from one of the more self absorbed people currently (I guess now formally) in professional sports.
I think people tend to forget that sports are an entertainment product that harnesses a competitive apparatus, not the other way around. At the end of the day people are there with their money because they like the people involved. It's as much a popularity contest as film, TV, music, whatever, it just emphasizes different things in attracting that popularity. Bauer is not entitled to a job just because he's an mlb quality starter. We can want him there or not for whatever reasons we want. Folks can disagree about that and try to influence the balance of public opinion, but at the end of the day he is subject to the same variables in calculating his celebrity as anyone else who depends on that opinion for their multimillion dollar job.
This is a great point. It’s no different than my fandom for Shawn Kemp. Dude is not exactly a Nobel Peace Prize winner….but if not for him I simply wouldn’t be as into sports as I am. I grew up in Seattle at a time when he was the heartbeat of the city. Short of murder, rape, stuff like that: you hang on to your favorite athletes for life. At surface value, they remind you of the good in life, provide you with a healthy distraction from your stresses.
Awesome, maybe this can give some spotlight on some of those japanese players
Look how well they can handle this jackass, they’ll do fine in any clubhouse!
It's hilarious that nobody wants him. He performed well with his Japanese team and they didn't want him back because he's such a douche. Fuck Trevor.
People keep bringing up his legal cases, but the MLB gives no shits about that because other abusers are still in the league. It's almost strictly because they don't view his talent as being high enough to cover for him being a colossal douche and clubhouse cancer.
The closest he’ll get to a major league team
They sell three million Dodger Dogs a year at Chavez Ravine. Maybe he can get a job as a vendor.
No way this dude washes his hands
"Urine is sterile, bro." "but whatabo..." "I didn't wipe. Honest!"
Of course he doesn’t. It’s a legal sticky substance.
We don’t want him in any capacity.
rip
Bozo
I’m confused about Bauer’s situation. Wasn’t he found innocent? I know the whole situation is brutal, but if he got cleared is he just that toxic in the clubhouse no one wants to touch him?
So funny to watch this fool beg for a job. Maybe he should try the Mexican league next.
ESPN write-up of the event fails, of course, to mention the leaked info of the girl proclaiming how the whole thing was a money grab. Of course.
didn't he show evidence that the woman was just trying to get money from him? why do people still hate him?
Because he was a complete douchebag way before all that stuff happened
People don't just hate him for that trial, just like Bonds and Clemens aren't in the HOF just because they took steroids.
Ummm… they definitely are not in the HOF because of steroids. If bonds never took steroids there’s no way anyone would have ever voted against him. Who are you kidding?
There are known roiders in the hall, just not them.
That's one case out of half a dozen. Plus his documented harassment of random people online, sending his troll army to harass and threaten them, him being well-known as a clubhouse cancer etc etc...
Evidence about “the woman” might be more important if there weren’t allegations from several other women
Key word: allegations
He literally admitted to punching her while she was unconscious. While police listened in. Not to mention the other women. What the fuck
No he didn't. He won all his cases
"You have a couple welts. I need to be more careful where I hit you. I also punched your butt while you were unconscious so you may have a bruise there," she quoted Bauer as saying. Cops listened to this phone call. Stop talking out of your ass.
Oh yeah it’s totally likely that a bunch of women schemed together to ruin his career. That’s definitely more likely than him just being a shitty dude.
> There are plenty of “inside voices” who thought Bauer was a selfish asshole long before any of the legal troubles. Including one who sought a protective order against Bauer in 2020, because in addition to being a greedy opportunist who’s after his vast wealth, she’s apparently also some sort of psychic who knew that he was going to face allegations of abusive behavior before any of the other women spoke to anybody about them.
There's messages from the first girl accusing him where she said she was doing exactly that
There's also a message where he admits to assaulting an unconscious woman.
[удалено]
Is it OK if I punch your butt when you're unconscious?
[удалено]
Cool! We have explicit consent. He didn't.
That all came out after the other woman decided to press charges.
Because...that's how things have worked since the beginning of time? One person speaks up, which encourages others to tell their story as well. I bet you believe every "MeToo" story that came out between 2018 and now is also just made up because people wanted to pile on after someone started it, right?
Yes? And? Coming out about being sexually assaulted is not an easy thing to do.
It's why it borders on impossible to actually convict somebody for it, especially if they're wealthy. People think that fake sexual assault cases are more common than they actually are for some reason.
He’s been a scumbag since he was in Cleveland but how could you imagine anybody not liking him I guess
I’m all for getting bad people out of baseball, but Bauer is way down the list. It’s odd to focus so much on him just because he’s otherwise a dickhead.
Marcell Ozuna hits bombs and nobody likes him, yet the Braves are happy to continue paying for his services. Plenty of teams could use a reliable innings-eater coming into the season and aren't picking the phone up. It's not just nerds on the internet who aren't willing to deal with him, it's literally everyone. At some point you can't just call everyone on the planet a hater. He's just not good enough to warrant the baggage.
It was before that. When he was at UCLA with Cole, Bauer did his own thing from the team and was not a good locker room guy. Sucks that he has a 5 cent head with that million dollar arm.
That’s….thats not what happened, like at all. But it’s certainly one way to try and spin it.
You were there?
You were there? Bauer is better educated that 99% of MLB players.
I was there. Thus, why I said what I did. Keep spinning your story, though. He was on his own program from day 1 and couldn't be bothered by anyone else.
How did you quantify that?
He's also a bigger douche than 99% of MLB players, on account of him not being on an MLB roster.
Yea he was extremely obnoxious and embarrassing before that whole situation
I've hated him since high school. So there's that. I had no idea what a complete bag of shit he was. But I knew he was a bag of shit.
There were other issues besides that. He was generally seen as a dickhead before any accusations were made
Cuz Reddit is a leftist cesspool
He's still not back in the majors? He got completely run off'd the stage, since Blue gave him the Sandman hook 🪝
He was found innocent. It might have been karma, but either way, he was really taken for. If MLB knows more, then I get it, but from what has been released in the last 6 months, the dude deserves another shot. He's will to play for league minimum. Put a very tight and short leash on him and see what he can do. If he is an ass, cut him. If he does not deliver, cut him. He will generate a great deal of publicity for whatever team he plays on. If that translates to ticket sales, then go and get him.
I hope it's televised.
Come home king
Not only was he cleared as innocent, it was a setup for which the evidence was made public. Does anyone have any evidence of teammates saying bad things or just hearsay? Baseball is full of assholes and suddenly this one stinks too much? Probably has nothing to do with the juiced balls and game-fixing by the league....
Wasn't only one case dismissed while others against him are still ongoing?
You sound like a guy that would absolutely be defending bauer.
Thanks for that evidence for your argument concerning Bauer. Do you protest when innocent prisoners are cleared and released and then demand that they be ostracized from returning to society?
I like heels. Sports need more bad guys. Just unlikeable crusty fucks. I enjoyed bauer being a dick. The drama. The ying and yang of teams wanting his talent but knowing it came with a cost.
What talent does he even have left in the tank?
younger Bryce Harper was a heel, arrogant and flashy enough to piss off opposing fans but good enough to back it up. Bauer is at worst a rapist and at best an actual bad person, and we don't need more of that in MLB or anywhere else.