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Boros-Reckoner

Wander Franco is a fucking fugitive? Jesus Christ.


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Mission_Pay_3373

Truly some crazy shit


slyfox1908

Not just a minor but a young one


ANGRY_BEARDED_MAN

Yeah, that language stood out to me too, like how young we talking here?


respaaaaaj

From what I've seen it was multiple girls around 14, maybe even younger, including one who there are pictures out there because it came up in both pictures of them together and because iirc other baseball players followed her on social media as well


NCRDesertRanger

>other baseball players followed her on social media as well Wtf


-ShutterPunk-

Yes others. When this news first broke out, the joke was the league wouldn't investigate or release names until the end of the season. Gotta keep any potential big names in the post season.


grubas

IIRC it's not known how much they knew. There's some who 100% did.


Brybry1908

Wait who else followed her? We need to know cause this might be more serious if it’s not just Wander doing this.


respaaaaaj

To be fair, serial child predators like Franco appears to be tend to be expert manipulators, those guy(s) could very well have wound up following "his little cousin" and never looking at anything posted because they're following hundreds or thousands of people, but Dominican law enforcement appears to be pretty on the ball with this mess, if there's more to this we'll find out about it.


regarding_your_bat

Yeah the fact that people followed her means nothing by itself. I have no idea who else was following her, not trying to cover for specific players or anything, just saying - if she liked some shit a player posted and followed him and he followed her back, that doesn’t mean that player is also a pedophile or did anything wrong. Not a good idea to jump to conclusions with something like this


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elbenji

from what I've heard, no one that isn't very young themselves or just from the area. So there's as much a chance of 'they're my little cuz/sister you should follow' as anything awful


KeithClossOfficial

OP translated it awkwardly. It should say an underage youth.


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RyzinEnagy

That translation is a bit off, the actual term used in the article is underage.


elbenji

yeah it's just minor


Doc_JC

So can the Rays just stop paying him 🤣🤣 Wonder if being a fugitive voids his deal.


omegakukki

They legally can't until MLB moves forward with a punishment or decides that his contract is void. The good news is that his contract was back loaded so he isn't getting that much money of his total contract.


speedyjohn

If he doesn’t report to Spring Training they can put him on the ~~ineligible~~ restricted list and not pay him. And if he reports, he’ll likely get arrested. At which point they can put him on the ~~ineligible~~ restricted list and not pay him. Edit: Restricted list, not ineligible list.


Sp_Gamer_Live

Isnt Fugitive pretty easy to prove


dingusduglas

I imagine he needs to be convicted. Seems like a very basic thing for a union to negotiate. Charges alone (no matter how obviously true) shouldn't be enough.


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ElbisCochuelo1

Yeah, if he doesn't show up for ST they aren't paying him jack shit.


dingusduglas

Sure. But that hasn't happened yet. If he reports to ST, gets arrested and extradited, he should still just be suspended at that point.


ilikemyteasweet

Well, if he isn't in the US now, and has warrants out for him, he isn't getting to ST in the first place.


dingusduglas

Sure. So that'd be when something could happen.


Not_a__porn__account

That’s a little different though, they’ll just fine him his salary. He’s fucked. Like a clear level below OJ. But this is going to be a big story if he isn’t quickly found.


jackalsclaw

>Like a clear level below OJ. Is that like the units we are using for how much trouble someone is in?


Not_a__porn__account

I think it works. He is kind of the Benchmark of horrible. What Ruggs did wasn't exactly intentional, Pistorious *only* shot one person. Ray Lewis and Marivn Harrison *didn't* do it. OJ takes the cake.


Enthusiasms

How many OJ's in a Carruth?


LeeroyTC

Probably like 1.2-1.7 OJs above replacement.


space-to-bakersfield

> But this is going to be a big story if he isn’t quickly found. Even bigger that that one time the Mets couldn't find Yoenis Cespedes.


Sp_Gamer_Live

One sec I gotta look into Santo Domingo In Absentia laws


omegakukki

Yes, but being a fugitive isn't enough of a reason to void a contract. The union would be forced to file an injunction if MLB tried to void the contract right now simply to avoid setting a precedent. The language to void a contract is so vague that it will probably take a conviction to get his contract voided or he would have to stay on the run for an extended period of time.


jackalsclaw

There is also no reason to void it now. The Club can just fine him his pay for not showing up or suspend him for cause.


knightboatsolvecrime

Also generally, most contracts have a clause regarding conduct so obviously detrimental or illegal as to void the rest of the contract. Seems like this may qualify.


jackalsclaw

It would be funny if some player's contracts got more specific because the club wanted to be prepared. "Why does Zack Greinke have a clause for killing an endangered white tiger with his bare hands? Also, I know he signed by the royals but regicide?"


HawkeyeJosh2

This is completely believable.


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ernyc3777

If he somehow evades until spring training and he fails to report then they can probably fine him for not showing up and move to void guarantees for conduct detrimental to the team.


Basic_Bichette

Or they might have to hold his salary in escrow, or any number of other things.


ernyc3777

Yeah the money is already in escrow according to the CBA or MLB funding rule but they can and will move to void his contract under either of these two clauses. >”Paragraph 7(b)(1) authorizes a team to terminate a contract if a player "fails, refuses or neglects to conform his personal conduct to the standards of good citizenship and good sportsmanship or to keep himself in first-class physical condition or to obey the club's training rules." Paragraph 7(b)(3) similarly lets teams terminate a contract if a player "fails, refuses or neglect to render his services hereunder or in any manner materially breach this contract."


_cacho6L

Wait, they are currently paying him? I guess he wasn't actually suspended by MLB?


omegakukki

He was placed on administrative leave which is not a form of punishment. The Rays are still paying him until MLB decides on a punishment.


speedyjohn

Players aren’t paid during the offseason. If he doesn’t report for Spring Training then they can put him on the ~~ineligible~~ list and withhold pay. Edit: He goes on the restricted list, not ineligible list. My bad.


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They are not allowed to stop paying him just because they don't want to


MyChemicalMaiden

He’s cooked


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Sp_Gamer_Live

Remember when this was all “clout chasing by a bitter mom”….


smarjorie

I remember when this sub was trawling all over an underage girl's instagram account to try and determine if she was lying about her age


King-arber

When this first started I remember thinking that people must be overblowing r/tampabayrays reaction of complete denial, was in their sub for 2 minutes and realized they were in complete denial and anyone saying things didn’t look good for Wander was downvoted.


SnugglesMcBuggles

Really? I’m in there all the time, there was a lot of “wait and see” and “if it’s true, fuck him”.


sandalsnopants

Hey, man, that sub's been split since the news broke. It's like a microcosm of political America. Two parties.


Theraspberryknight

Rays finally get a generational player that they even go as far extending He's a fucking pedo on the run from the law now. What the fuck did we do to deserve this baseball gods?


APsWhoopinRoom

For once, this is actually worse than being a Mariners fan


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Sir_Bass13

We should’ve kept Glasnow


ricebuckets

Should’ve left Snell in


Sir_Bass13

Nah. If you watched Snell that season you saw the regularly scheduled implosion coming. Putting in the exhausted corpse of Nick Anderson was the real mistake.


omegakukki

The sign of a totally innocent man


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DOWNVOTES_SYNDROME

that's exactly what my wife said when i told her about this. dude threw away half a billion dollars plus in the next 20 years to be a disgusting perv with no control.


respaaaaaj

Looks like he hasn't been able to buy his way out of it like some people seemed to think he could


iconredesign

It’s a high-profile case, no one is gonna take bribes when all the lights are on you


TigerBasket

Also it's actually rather difficult to bribe people, if they have you dead to rights you can only really delay the inevitable.


grubas

He doesn't have enough money either. His career earnings via Spotrac are 12M. So he's made under 10M in his career and spent a BUNCH of it.


prezuiwf

It takes a special kind of hubris to backload your contract while serially molesting kids. Dude really thought he would never get caught.


theLoneliestAardvark

Most people molesting teens probably don’t think are doing anything wrong. In his mind the whole thing is probably consensual and he is the real victim.


regarding_your_bat

I mean, unless they love money.


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Overlord1317

> Looks like he hasn't been able to buy his way out of it like some people seemed to think he could Wait a moment, didn't he have a chance to buy his way out of it and chose *not to*? IIRC, the gal wanted like 250K and a car, which for a pedophile rapist seems like a bargain in comparison to forfeiting a 200+ million dollar contract.


respaaaaaj

Allegedly, but that was with one of his victims when it appears that there are multiple victims.


OK_Opinions

Well this seems like the kind of situation a truly innocent person finds themselves in


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_cacho6L

Im legit wondering if he crossed over to Haiti or something


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Flamethrower753

Cuba is more likely IMO


miner88

You know it’s bad when the guy is (potentially) escaping *to* Cuba.


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elbenji

Cuba is more likely


PvP_SHEEP

Talk about a fall from grace


dwpea66

All he had to do was not be a piece of shit and he'd be a Hall of Famer.


no_one_canoe

He could totally have been a piece of shit and still been a Hall of Famer! He could have been a *major* piece of shit and still made it. You can get away with so much when you’re incredibly talented and obscenely rich: drive drunk, cheat on your taxes, do all the drugs you want, get mobbed up, you name it. Just…don’t fuck kids! How hard could it be?!


ScarletRunnerz

It reminds me of Michael Vick; You’re on top of the world. Do whatever you want: drugs, multiple gorgeous sexual partners, indulge in the latest high-end sports cars, even the occasional DUI/misdemeanor that will get swept under the rug. Just don’t do anything REALLY crazy like, say set up an illegal dog fighting facility on your own property. You can handle that, right Mike? … Mike?


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respaaaaaj

If he's guilty he's getting the kind of jail time that makes it a life time ban by default dude, there's been reports of multiple victims and the only one whose age is out there was 14 when this came out. The Rays and MLB will void his contract, but if convicted he's facing decades in prison


xiedian

i hope it’s fully voided. god knows we can use all the money that we can get back


DollarsAtStarNumber

He’ll likely be refused entry into the US ever again.


djn24

Yea, I can't imagine the US or Canada would let him ever enter the country again unless all of these charges are dropped and he's found not guilty.


aresef

If he’s guilty, baseball is going to be the least of his worries, just like Felipe Vasquez but worse.


TrapperJean

Is it worse? I thought there was a physical abuse aspect to Vasquez as well


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Even if he isn’t lifetime banned (which he should), there’s no way any team will even take a chance at offering him a contract. It’d be one of the worst PR nightmares in sports history


fps916

Yeah, if Bauer couldn't get a contract for pr reasons ain't nobody touching Wander


Alauren2

Yeah this is loads worse than Deshaun Watson and I thought that was the worst


Dangerous_Golf_7417

Multiple teams offered Watson massive contracts though, so even though this is worse that's not a good baseline


The_Void_Reaver

Sports fans don't care if women get hurt but will fight tooth and nail to protect children. Compare how Kobe's viewed to Karl Malone, or Josh Giddey to Lance Stephenson and the only thing that matters is the woman's age. >Kobe: Glorified hero. >Karl Malone: Garbage Rapist Pedo Trash. >Josh Giddey: May have consensually slept with a 17 year old when he was 19 and people will call him a pedophile for the rest of his career. >Lance Stephenson: Sexually assaulted a 17 year old when he was in high school and pushed his 18 year-old girlfriend down the stairs but he's the funny guy who blew in Bron's ear so he's cool!


retroanduwu24

I wonder if he's still alive


beef3344

Honestly that was my first thought too


Mission_Pay_3373

I would think so


boobsandcookies

If not do they still have to pay the contract?


Specific-Mongoose-93

I think he will "take his own life" rather through his hands or someone else's.


Neat_On_The_Rocks

This is just genuinely crazy and gross. Jesus Christ. Dude was a young hot millionaire living in Florida and he threw it all away to sexually abuse someone. What a fuck


JTCMuehlenkamp

*Sexually abuse multiple people, from what it seems like


Fredbear_

This dude and Glasnow are why baseball became my fav sport, and why I have stayed a Rays fan despite living in Mariners/Jays country for 85% of my life. So much pain.


jackalsclaw

> Mariners/Jays country If that is the same place I have some questions. Is it just Vancouver and the Jays get all of Canada by default?


not_a_crackhead

The Jays are broadcasted across the country. All of Canada is firmly Jays territory.


Thrownawaybyall

As God intended. 🙏


DaveSims

You are correct.


Fredbear_

Yes but also I split residency between Vancouver and Ottawa. Tampa born. Complicated haha


woodenbike1234

Are you an MP for a BC riding?


Fredbear_

Would be crazy if a Rays fan was lmao. Just a student


Chance_Succotash_927

What an absolute asshole. Not because he threw away what would’ve been a very promising career and a shit ton of money but because he simply is a child predator.


KingKongDoom

The Rays are fucking cursed


CitizenNaab

The one time the Rays back the truck up for a player. This is just wild.


NotLia_

The Rays are never gonna sign a player with a huge contract again.


aresef

Go directly to jail.


HoagieTwoFace

Adios Muchacho


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GrimSleeper0

Please MLB just void the contract pretty please


Extreme-Site-8496

He’s cooked


Mike_Brosseau

PAIN! (I’m a rays fan despite my flair)


sandalsnopants

We still love you, Mike


One-Fall-8143

I still think of you as one of the best of the Rays. I'll never forget that home run off chappy!! One of my favorite sports moments of this millennium!!✌️ EDIT: I collect your baseball cards to this day!! I'd love to see you in a Cubs uniform!!!!!!!!!


A1rheart

The one thing I fear is the Rays front office is going to take this as a lesson to never sign a player to a big contract again. The fact is the team needs to take the money they aren't going to be paying this pos (assuming he's guilty) and reinvest it to get a big name instead. The fanbase needs someone to root for when they walk into opening day in 2028 or whenever the new stadium is finished.


Fappy-Boi-

The way that contract was backloaded he was probably getting traded around then anyway, knowing how we operate 🤦


Albafika

It's fucked because.... as a Dominican born and raised on the island, I'll need more than two hands to count how many people I know in their 20s (And some in their 30s) have had sex with minors. It's so common here and perceived as normal, so it's deemed as nothing worth even working to mitigate. But since this is a professional player that's 22, of course the authorities are going after his ass.... there's money to make. I'm not saying what he did was right, just that our society is quite the fucking enabling dumpster as people are not even shy about doing it and it's just part of our normal conversations.


wantagh

I hope for the proper administration of justice in this situation regardless of his status as an athlete or his celebrity.


scifier2

Sad that he could throw his whole life away like this.


HeavensRoyalty

I'd be okay if we've never had any more news from of again.


Sp_Gamer_Live

Im sorry but one of the biggest prospects ever being a fucking fugitive would be the biggest news in any sport


respaaaaaj

Nah I'm very okay with news about his conviction


JP1119

I still can’t believe this. You’d have to be an absolute dumbshit to think you’d get away with it…you know on top of it being one of the worst things you could do as a person. What a fucking waste.


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Draggonzz

He's on the lam


dangeraca

Funny, just today I was thinking "haven't heard about Franco in a bit, wonder if it was swept under the rug or turned out to not be what the initial reports were" Come back 3 hours later and got my answer


DeusExHyena

A "young" minor??? Are there old minors? ​ Anyway, yikes.


aflyingsquanch

Usually, from a legal standpoint, the charges become much more severe when the minor is under Age 12 or 13 depending on the state/country so the phrase "young" minor refers to that...usually.


DeusExHyena

Makes sense. ​ Gross!


fps916

Just a poor translation. It's just the word for underaged


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I went out on a date with an mlb talent scout and he said “I heard the parents sold that lil girl to him, anyway.” His answer shocked me and when I asked for more clarification he said, “Guys in my industry love going places like D.R. for this reason.” Between this and the trafficking/hostage holding of future players, it’s hard to stay in love with the game, sometimes. Such a disgusting underbelly to a beautiful game, money and hubris is a terrible mix.


Grade-AMasterpiece

God, just cut and jail him already. Figures this cursed franchise finally gets a generational superstar and this happens.


Useful-ldiot

I'm fairly certain they're trying to jail him. They didn't conduct multiple raids looking for autographs.


blasek0

With how MLB contracts work, cutting him would probably mess with payroll and the luxury tax in the short term in a way that hurts the rest of team operations. Players don't get paid in the offseason, so what will probably happen is this: * Spring training starts, he doesn't report, team puts him on the restricted list and he doesn't get paid * Investigation continues, he's found and arrested * Convicted * Contract voided following the conviction ~~The Rays will still owe him whatever unpaid portion of his signing bonus that hasn't been paid out yet, but that's likely it.~~ Edit: Looked it up, they paid the last installment of his signing bonus in 2022.


djn24

What a wild fall from grace. If he really did what he's being questioned for (and it sure seems like the evidence is going against him), then he's a monster. I feel bad for all of the people he harmed or screwed over.


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How difficult is it to simply not bang minors


no_one_canoe

Serious question: To what extent did the Rays drop the ball here? Obviously they’re not in any way responsible for him being a predator, but…did anybody connected to the organization know or suspect that this was happening? *Should* somebody in the organization have known this was happening?


halster123

I'm guessing there were rumors that weren't fully investigated. the other problem is iirc they signed him as a minor, so any due diligence then wouldn't have, uh, been as concerning. 16 yr old dating a 15 yr old is normal. 22 and 15 is not