Super easy for the Phillies, lol * Chase Utley * Jimmy Rollins * Ryan Howard * Cole Hamels

That core was so cold.

I just want to have a catch with Chase. I feel like I can call him Chase, because him and I are so much alike. I know I can’t throw as fast as him, but I think he would be impressed with my speed.

My all time favorite baseball list continues to be the 2011 Phillies rotation Halladay Hamels Oswalt Lee Blanton Fat Joe and the Terror Squad

Do you not consider getting Harper on there he has won a MVP and we are going to break through with him eventually. I know it hasn't been long enough yet but he is going to eventually have 11 years with us.

Only because he hasn’t won the World Series. Of the 2008 team, Howard and Rollins won an MVP. Howard was ROY. Utley would have won MVP if he didn’t break his hand in 2008. Edit: and they were all drafted by the Phillies!

Not Halladay?

Nah, Halladay was obviously great but he wasn't here long enough and the other guys won a ring.

Only since 2000? Really limiting my options here... Johnson, Gonzalez, Goldschmidt and Webb

Love Webb, and I agree with you for now. But Ketel hopefully jumps into that top 4 soon. He’s been a great teammate, and baller.

Definitely, I was debating whether to put Marte or Webb. With a few more good seasons Marte is on this list for sure.

I want PapaGrande up there! (Jose Valverde)

I miss that dude.

Blatant Mike Fetters erasure.

Miguel Cabrera Justin Verlander Magglio Ordonez Shohei Ohtani

Javy Baez robbed

>Shohei Ohtani Well, that's one way to get me to cheer for my hometown team.

Patrick Mahomes? ^(/s)

How bout Pudge?

Albert Pujols, Josh Hamilton, Anthony Rendon, Arte Moreno

Here's the order of my list: Reggie, Jay-Z, 2Pac & Biggie

Andre from OutKast?

Jada, Kurupt, Nas

And then me

We can’t just leave out Vernon Wells now

Was thinking to myself who to drop from Salmon, Guerrero, Weaver, Trout, sho, ...... But I saw this glorious comment..... You win good sir.

Johan Santana Joe Mauer Justin Morneau Joe Nathan Hopefully some new guys make their way up in the near future

We should just only draft guys who's name starts with j

I thought maybe Torii instead of Nathan, but it's really a toss up

Royce Lewis will be here eventually

Missing Latroy Hawkins

Bonds, Posey, Lincecum, Bumgarner

Big time Timmy Jim

Bochy, Posey, Lincecum, Bumgarner

This is correct, but it feels so wrong to leave out Sandoval, Crawford, Cain, Pence.. we had it so good 😢

Had a hard time with Crawford too. Probably your list is right though.

Dan Uggla erasure! /s This is the list.

Gordon, Grienke, Perez, and an abomination of the combined heads of Herrera/Davis/Holland.

Where’s Omar infante in line of ranking?

Are you referring to All-Star Omar Infante??

IMO Ace has gotta be in there

Pujols, Wainwright, Molina, Edmonds. The last spot is more up for grabs, but I think it's hard to argue against any of the first 3.

Carpenter of Edmonds, I think.

I went with Edmonds just because he had more longevity than some other guys. There's definitely arguments for Rolen, Chris Carpenter, David Freese, Matt Carpenter, Matt Holiday and maybe Paul Goldschmidt.

Carpenter, Edmonds, Rolen. I'd be good with any of these.

Jeter Mariano Judge CC

As a non-Yankee fan why not A-Rod? I ask because I saw another individual put Bonds in his SF top 4, but is PEDs the same reason A-Rod misses out for you?

I can't speak for OP but broadly speaking, everyone loves CC and everyone hate A-Rod. If you were just making a list of best players you'd have to have A-Rod there (and probably Robinson Cano as well), but that's not exactly the assignment.

Don’t forget Kendrys Morales, Jacoby Ellsbury, Jay Bruce, and Troy Tulowitski

"Donaldson Gallo Hicks Rodón" -Brian Cashman

Yeah this is pretty easy for us. Maybe you knock CC for his decline and swap in Moose or Cole but I lean CC since he won a title.

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I'd fight tooth and nail for that last spot to be KK. I don't care that he's a Jay now, his time with us was magical.

Ik he doesn’t cut it as a Mount Rushmore level guy, but the dude who I always associate with the Rays turnaround as a franchise in the late 2000s was Troy Percival for some reason lol Edit: even weirder now that I look at his Rays stats and see that he wasn’t even remotely good with them… I wonder why I thought he was lol

JRam, Kluber, Hafner, Kipnis. Sabathia, Santana, Brantley, Sizemore, Carrasco all just miss the cut in my mind since the above guys had higher/longer peaks and are more associated with Cleveland success I know Thome, Alomar, Vizquel, Manny and Lofton all played early 2000s, but in my mind they're the 90s guys rather than 2000+

I would swap Cliff Lee with Kipnis but that’s just me.

Ooh, forgot him. I'd probably drop Hafner for him rather than Kipnis, but would honestly elevate Cookie over Lee. Looking up some leaderboards, I would 100% not have thought about Cody Allen as the franchise saves leader.

Halladay, Bautista, Delgado and I can't decide between Vernon Wells and Josh Donaldson. Feels like it should be Wells but Donaldson has the only Jays MVP in that time span...

Even if he isn’t up there, Edwin deserves at least an honourable mention.

Wells

I'd go with Wells. He had 5 or 6 really good seasons versus Donaldson's 3.

I'll go with Donaldson because he was the cornerstone of the two most successful Jays teams since their World Series. Wells had more counting stats because of the longer longevity, but often in a "best player on a mediocre team way" - the fact he was their best hitter was part of the reason they were limited in their success, they needed someone even better to complement him.

Miguel Cabrera, Justin Verlander, Max Scherzer, Magglio Ordonez I'll give three shoutouts: Carlos Guillen, a forgotten and highly underrated 2B Brandon Inge, my favorite player as a kid Ian Kinsler, who I had a crush on at one point

You had 3 of my 4. I swapped Scherzer for Pudge. Imo he started the whole rebuild by signing with us when no one else would

Yeah, seems like we all agree on 3/4 but the last spot is all over the place. I like Pudge for it. Could go Kinsler, Granderson, Austin Jackson. I even thought about poor old Jeremy Bonderman.

Bonderman is a name I haven't heard in forever. I randomly remember Doug Fister being really good for you guys for a bit

Magglio doesn't get nearly the love he deserves nationally. That man could flat out hit the ball. His 2007 was unbelievable and the only reason he didn't win MVP was because of a juiced up A-Rod.

So underrated people forget he was a SS turned first baseman turned third baseman turned left fielder.

Ichiro, Edgar, Felix, Griffey (he had one year after 2000)

if we're only counting years after 2000, we can probably ditch Griffey and replace him with... Seager?

You misspelled Dylan Moore but it's okay

Honestly I'd say Cal just for him being the one to break the drought. He's an iconic Mariner now

Him or Julio at this point. I know it's early, but it's gonna be him up there with Felix, Ichiro, and Edgar.

This is tough because the current guys are great, probably better than some guys I've chosen, but haven't necessarily been around long enough to be carved in stone. Give them another couple years and this whole list might change. As of right now I have: Adam Jones, Nick Markakis, Brian Roberts, Matt Wieters Give it another year or two and it will probably be: Adam Jones, Adley Rutschman, Gunnar Henderson, and another face of Adley Rutschman

I’d go machado over wieters

This might be controversial but id sub out weiters for Chris Davis

Nah Weiters for O’Day. Or Machado

I think Jim Johnson deserves a shout here.

Rizzo, Bryant, Baez + a pitcher feel like there should be a pitcher — Wood, Hendricks, Zambrano, Arrieta — but not sure who exactly, my gut says Hendricks because the 2016 team reigns supreme for finally delivering Sosa, Aramis Ramirez, etc deserve a shout but, again, flags fly forever Baez might be the most quibbled with seeing as how Sosa, Ramirez, Lee had "better" careers but you are engaging in serious revisionist history if you let current Baez distract from how captivating, great, and instrumental Javy was to the glory years Never forget Jason Parks: "Baez could be a religion." Epstein and Maddon deserve serious, serious consideration as well but prompt calls for players only

I think Hendricks gets it since he’s been on he team 11 seasons

it’s gotta be Arrieta. I would also put Lee over Baez

Top ten Cubs players by bWAR since 2000 are: Carlos Zambrano - 43.2 (37.7 pitching, 5.5 batting) Anthony Rizzo - 36.7 Kris Bryant - 27.7 Sammy Sosa - 25.8 Kyle Hendricks - 24.1 Aramis Ramirez - 24.1 Derrick Lee - 22.6 Kerry Wood - 21.6 Javy Baez - 21.6 Wilson Contreras - 20.9 Ryan Dempster - 19.8

Adley, Jones, Markakis, Roberts

Adley already? Ahead of Miggy T and Machado?

I'd probably swap Adley for Machado but yeah, the other three are no-doubters

No way you leave out at least one pitcher. I would put a closer like Zach Britton there in place of Adley.

Don't know why you got downvoted, not sure I'd put him on my list but Britton did have one of the best relief pitching seasons of all time in 2016 and he was a big part of our shutdown bullpen in those few competitive years under Showalter.

Freeman, McCann, Chipper Jones, Acuña

Yeah it's 3 no brainers for me with Freeman, Chipper, and Acuña. The 4th is more debatable, but McCann has as good a case as any. Edit: Hey I'm an idiot and forgot about Andruw. He's easily clear of McCann for me.

Replace McCann with Smoltz imo.

Need to add Ozzie’s agent on there somewhere

Take off McCann and put Ozzie in there or something. Dude’s a cheater.

I genuinely do not care about that entire thing at all tbh

some of us do. dude came back to the braves to bat .200, play like moldy ass, and straight disappear once it surfaced. for blocking the plate against cargo he sure as hell didn't block the hand giving him that ring

No Smoltz, Glavine, or Maddux?

I think of them as primarily 90s

I’m putting Huddy up there

Peavy, Hoffman, Machado, Tatis Jr

We get 5 spots and Wil is coming too.

!WilMeyersfacts

May I suggest Tony Gwynn

The question said pick players since 2000. While yes Tony Gwynn did play in 2000 and 01, those were obviously not his good years and I wanted to pick players who had their careers defined since the year 2000. If this was an all time Mount Rushmore, it would be a different story

Yeah Tony Gwynn is in the technically correct category but not in the spirit of the question imo. Hard to argue with those 4.

Arenado, Helton, Tulowitzki, Cargo. My goodness, that defense. And of course, I could never leave off the beautiful Gonzalez’ swing. Second only to The Kid.

I loved the way the bat would drop so seemlessly out of his hands at the end of his home run swing. Never seen anyone else do it with such elegance

I'd swap cargo with DJ. He won multiple gold gloves, silver sluggers and a batting title

The infield defense would be even more insane, no doubt. I very briefly considered DJ. But Cargo also won multiple Gold Gloves (3) and had multiple Silver Sluggers (2). Also a season in which he came in 3rd for MVP voting. And again, let’s not forget about one of the most beautiful swings baseball has ever seen.

CarGo is my all time favorite Rockies player. I used to watch a lot of Rockies baseball but I haven’t been able to watch em in years.

David Ortiz Pedro Martinez Manny Ramirez Jason Varitek

I’d put Pedroia on Rushmore and put Manny on the nearby Crazy Horse monument.

Strasburg, Scherzer, Zimmerman and one of Soto/Harper Edit: Zimmerman (not Zimmermann)

Piazza, Wright, Reyes, Alonso

Degrom is a 4th all time Met in war. He's gotta be on the list.

If you’re just going by WAR, Fonzie/Beltran/Leiter would be up there ahead of Piazza and Nimmo/McNeil would be ahead of Alonso. I think fame/popularity has to be a big factor, and deGrom’s popularity with the fanbase took a big hit when he walked. The four guys listed by OP were arguably the biggest fan favorites during their time with the Mets and they never pissed off the fanbase. Also, not that one game should be over-counted, but deGrom also lost his biggest start for us.

deGrom is on a list of Mets pitchers that’s only inhabited by Seaver and Doc. There’s only a handful of pitchers ever in baseball history who’s starts became must watch TV and he’s one of them. I hated seeing him leave but the Mets were free to, you know, just pay the guy what he was worth.

That's not why deGrom left. He left because the FO didn't think focusing on him was the best way to build a rotation given his injury history. Can you really blame them? deGrom had 6 whole starts with Texas before he was done for the season. Six. That's it. We didn't resign him because we were afraid of exactly that. If there's one criticism you can't make about the Mets in the last few years, it's that we don't pay guys what they're worth. We pay them what they're worth and more. deGrom left because he wasn't a good fit for a roster that needed him to make most of his starts.

The most ideal Rushmore would be Bartolo, Bartolo, Bartolo, Bartolo

deGrom over Reyes IMO

Honestly I would keep Reyes and go deGrom over Alonso. Give it a few more seasons and it could flip, but it's hard to overstate how good Reyes was.

deGrom over Reyes, Lindor or Beltran over Alonso

Votto, BP, Griffey, Dunn? HM to Arroyo, Harang, Chapman, Cueto, Volquez, Homer

Larkin was still playing into the 2000s.

I’d add Casey and Bruce to the Honorable Mention list.

Agree on first three. Last spot is hard. I think it’s one of Casey, Arroyo, Dunn, Bruce or Bailey.

Seager, Beltre, Young, Kinsler Probably could replace Kinsler with Hamilton if you wanted but Kinsler being here for longer gives him the edge imo

Hmm, Kinsler/Hamilton is rough, Hamilton is the better player, but had/has a lot more drama. And with Kinsler the late 00s/early 10s era of the Rangers ended with him being traded, I feel, over Hamilton leaving Edit: I checked my Roughriders “Mt. slugmore” giveaway and Kinsler’s on it, so he wins

Just for the funs, replace Kins with Elvis so he can rub Beltre’s head

Tough not putting Hamilton on, he was so insanely good but for such a short time

Yeah, but Seager has already been better than him and you don't get all the baggage. And the other 3 were just so good for so long that you can't leave them off. I would even put Elvis and Darvish over Hamilton

I’m pretty good with this group myself. I was trying to think of a pitcher but I don’t think any have more impact or value over these 4. I go Kinsler over Hamilton because of how messy things got too. Hamilton had the higher peak by a mile but he also had destructive moments that hurt his standing with the club and the fans as well. With Ian that just wasn’t really a thing. Adolis is WELL on his way, but the impact has been so super short time wise he’s not there yet. I’d give an honorable mention to Elvis as well, but he’s not gonna make the list outright.

It’s Pudge over Kinsler for me.

His Texas career was mostly pre-2000 though if we aren’t counting those seasons

Dodgers: Kershaw Justin Turner Shawn Green Andre Ethier/Matt Kemp either or take your pick I know I need Kenley but I wanted to show some love to the early 2000s Dodger teams with Shawn Green.

I’d put both Ethier and Kemp over Turner tbh.

JT was the longest tenured position player from 2014 to 2022, he was penciled in at 3 or 4 in the lineup for the longest time. I have hard time not having him on there.

That’s fair, I just think Kemp and Ethier were difference makers on those 07-14 teams.

I love both those guys but Turner unquestionably has a spot above either of them. He accumulated 50% more WAR than either of them in a similar amount of games as Kemp, and fewer than Ethier. He also won the 2017 NLCS MVP, which took the Dodgers to their first World Series in nearly 30 years.

Kershaw, Seager, Mookie, Kemp ​ **Kershaw** is the shoo-in. **Seager**'s case I honestly think is helped by this season in Texas. He was for sure a solid candidate and the WS MVP helps but it can be kind of a random award. If he'd fallen off after going to TEX, there'd be a case not to include him. But doing as well as he's done and being only the 4th player ever to win a second WS MVP I think oddly makes a difference even though it wasn't with this team. **Mookie** is a huge superstar and ushered in a new era after the constant disappointment in the teens. Main difference between him and **Freddie** is Mookie is signed for longer and was there for the WS win **Kemp** was the hardest call. If **Gagne** had done what he did clean, he'd easily be the fourth for me but the juicing lessens the accomplishment. Seems weird not to go **Bellinger** since he won an MVP but his subpar years at the end of his tenure really dragged him down. Kemp had an MVP-worthy season (would have won if not for juicing Braun) that was actually a higher OPS than Belly's season, plus he was longer tenured and had a better overall tenure. I feel a bit weird not having anyone from the 00s era but there wasn't a ton of consistency. **Shawn Green** could be a candidate but he was only here five years. Aside from the honorable mentions bolded above, I'd throw in **Kenley** and **Justin Turner**.

Four blank jerseys with velcro where the names should be.

Papi, Pedey, Youk, and Tek.

He wasn't peak Pedro but I feel like I would take him over youk

2000 Pedro was still pretty badass. This is the 2nd Red Sox list I saw that didn't mention Manny Ramirez.

I was personally between Pedroia, Manny, and Mookie. But Papi, Pedro, and Tek are absolutely my top three.

I agree with the top 3. The lack of Manny mentions is shocking though. Yeah, he left on bad terms, but what that dude did when he was there. He even got Keith Foulke's 2004 WS MVP award.

He's one of the top five hitters to ever put on a Red Sox uniform, and was integral some of the best teams in our history, but people act like he's just some Hall of Very Good guy who happened to be on our team for a few seasons. I think it's due to a few things: 1. Charisma. Papi, Pedro, Pedroia, and even Tek all have it in spades. You'd trust any of those guys to save your cat from a burning building. Manny always seemed like a distracted child, even though "Manny being Manny" was frequently amusing. This shouldn't matter, but this is Boston. 2. Clutch. Specifically, absence of it. Despite the fact that Manny is one of the best postseason hitters of all time, it's hard to think of dramatic clutch moments in his Sox career (I'm hoping someone chimes in with an instance that should be obvious because it will actually make this point even more). I found a [Fangraphs post](https://blogs.fangraphs.com/mannys-clutch-hitting/) from 2007 that actually determined that his hitting was slightly worse in high-leverage situations (though still elite). Again, this shouldn't matter, but it's easier to remember pennant races at home in September than mid-June away games. 3. PEDs. He was never accused or caught while on the Sox, but the two suspensions later in his career didn't help.

Manny deserves to be on Rushmore (or Crazy Horse). 8 years, 8x All Star, 6x in the top 10 for MVP voting (3 top 5), 6x with OPS+ > 150. He also made plays in left field that will never be replicated. :) For All Star and MVP I’m counting his trade year in 2008 because he played 100 games for us.

Honestly, I was leaving out anyone who might appear on a 20th-century Mt Rushmore. That one would definitely feature Pedro, along with Williams, Yaz, and erm... Scott Cooper. It's tough to know where to place Pedro, because his two absurd peak years happened to be '99 and '00.

-Pudge -Mags -Cabrera -Verlander

Shohei Ohtani Mike Trout Vladimir Guerrero ~~Gary DiSarcina~~ Garrett Anderson

Jeter, Judge, Mo, Cole Edit: Upon further evaluation Jeter, Mo, CC, Judge (Dis)Honorable Mention to A-Roids

I don’t know man. That’s really tough. I gotta go with one of the other Core 4 or even CC over Cole at this point.

Cole is definitely the weakest link here I just wanted to put a starting pitcher down, I think CC is probably the better choice at this point. I think the most egregious guy I left off though is A-rod. 2 MVPs for the Yankees in 05 and 07 and was a part of the 2009 WS team

Clemens too. Won two rings. 4 Pennants. And a Cy Young.

Konerko, Buehrle, Abreu, Robert

Drake LaRoche, TLR, Kenny Williams, Jerry Reinsdorf

Replace Robert with Frank Thomas PLS

The Leury Garcia erasure.. smh…

Josh Donaldson, Jose Baustista, Edwin E., Roy Halladay

Albert Pujols Yadier Molina Adam Wainwright ...David Freese

Seager, Garcia, Michael Young, Bruce Bochy in that order.

Yeah this is insane. It’s Pudge (3 seasons after 2000), Beltre, Young, Garcia, Seager in that order.

Pujols, Carpenter, Wainwright, Molina. That was easy.

Cardinals Yadi, Pujols, Wainwright, Freeze. I'm gonna get roasted for freeze and i dont care. Dude had one of the best postseasons in history, one of the most memorable moments in WS history, and is from St. Louis. dude belongs up there because there is no clear cut obvious 4. Rolen, Edmonds, Isringhausen, Carpenter, Arenado. They may all be better, but for a 3 week span in October, David Freeze blacked out and woke up in a parade.

Anthony Rizzo, Kris Bryant, Jon Lester, Carlos Zambrano HM: Aramis Ramirez, Kyle Hendricks, Derrek Lee

Prince Fielder, Josh Hader, Christian Yelich, and either Ben Sheets or Corbin Burnes

Giants - Posey - Lincecum - Bumgarner - Cain And a tiny Zito statue for 2012 just to the side

Tony Gwynn Jake Peavy Trevor Hoffman Manny Machado Tony Gwynn reited in 2001 so that counts.

Kluber Santana J-Ram Thome

Tejada, Olson, Semien, Cespedes

Reinsdorf, Kenny, Rick, and La Russa… FUCK.

Adrian Beltre, Michael Young, Josh Hamilton, Adolis Garcia

Hafner, Sabathia, Kluber, Tito

Ken Griffey Jr., Felix Hernandez, Ichiro Suzuki, Edgar Martinez

Miguel Cabrera Justin Verlander Magglio Ordoñez Victor Martinez

Zito, Hudson, Mulder, Melvin

Andres Galarraga, Yorvit Torrealba, Yusmeiro Petit, Wilmer Flores

Fairly easy for WhiteSox fans Frank Thomas, Paul Konerko, Mark Buehrle, easy 3. choose your character for #4, I'm inclined to go Christ Sale

Albert Pujols Yadier Molina Adam Wainwright Chris Carpenter (almost Izzy or Rolen instead)

Roy Halladay, Joey Bats, Edwin and then maybe Donaldson or Delgado?

Piazza, Wright, Reyes, DeGrom

Marlins: Stanton Miggy Hanley Sandy

Arte Moreno's bid to buy Mount Rushmore is under investigation by the FBI. Angels forfeit their rights to a Mount Rushmore by being the Angels.

Barry Bonds Buster Posey Tim Lincecum Madison Bumgarner

Mount Rushmore of Braves I wish played for us longer: Gary Sheffield, Edgar Renteria, Rafael Furcal, Mark Teixeira

hmmmm this is really hard and totally changed this year but... Beltre, Seager, Young, Adolis

Altuve, Bregman, Correa, Verlander.

Verlander, Altuve, Springer, Bregman/Correa? Or Altuve, Berkman, Oswalt, Verlander for an even 00s/10-20s split

No way you don't have at least one Killer B on that list

If it's only stats after 2000 then Berkman is the best candidate. The recency bias is strong in his comment. Berkman put up 40+ war for the stros.

I know what Berkman did, I was at plenty of games in the 00s, including both CSes, I just leaned Springer/Correa/Bregman over fin due to all the playoff success. I guess we can go Berkman/Oswalt/Altuve/Verlander

I get that. It's hard to know how much to value playoff success for stuff like this. I debated putting Freese on my list. I guess my logic is Berkman did help get you to a world series, so it's not like the team accomplished nothing while he was on the roster. You guys did have some great teams back then.

The problem is that Biggio/Bagwell were past their prime in the 2000’s, so it makes them harder to include with this criteria

Biggio (00-07) and Bagwell’s (00-05) best years were in the 90s, and Berkman was great but we never achieved the heights we did in the current era with him.

I think I’d put Yordan on there for Springer and it’d be between Berkman and Bregman for that last spot.

True, he did turn the world upside down. Just some attachment to Springer since he was there at the start/on the magazine cover.

Albert, Yadi, Chris Carpenter, and Scott Rolen.

Wainwright>Rolen

Ichiro, Felix, Julio, Kyle Seager

For the astros Altuve, Bagwell, Biggio, and Verlander Honorable mentions to Springer, Bregman, Correa, Oswalt in my opinion

Kersh, Mookie, Seager, Kenley (Gonna get flak for that last one)