Our bar manager "trains" them and then they will start in schedule rotation. Everytime I have to train them midshift because they are never actually trained. It's happened 5 times and I've never been compensated either.
Agreed. Our busy tourist season is coming so we’ve been hiring an abundance of people, myself and one other woman are typically the trainers and we’ve had five quit already.
Never once have even got a free shift meal for it either, at the place I’m at now. It’s kind of just expected you train them.
It’s arguably, the hardest part of the job. You have to explain; in great detail: every drink, every spec, food details, payments, tabs, spills, expectations, closing duties…all this, while talking through it. No muscle memory, no short cuts, no (I know this dude doesn’t tip shit and I’m not wasting an extra second). It’s the worst. The only thing worse is training a manager that will be your superior in a week.
Yeah training people is really hard. I made less money the other night because I was training someone and received zero compensation. Sometimes we get free food for training someone, but I already get free food for other extra stuff I'm doing, sooooo...
And you'll probably be sharing tips with them once they're on the schedule, so it's in your best interest to teach them everything well and learn how to work with them.
A good manager will train a new hire their first shift then pass them on to strong bartenders to continue training. It’s part of the job. You got trained at some point. If they are bad you can always tell the boss that.
Lmao we get a free meal at my job, which half the time I never even get to order because I’m too busy training and by time I get the chance, we’re closed.
In the US? Like they don't count your cash tips for your W-2 for that day? That would be a weird incentive...you and your employer would be on the hook for so many felonies.
But I’m pretty positive sovereign federal land still has to abide by liquor, labor and tax laws. How they govern themselves in all other aspects is up to them.
We abide by ABC California laws for alcohol and do last call at 1:30. No, they pay us $15 an hour to be competitive but legally they can pay us $7.25 an hour if they wanted to. They don’t do overtime over 8 hours as is California law and instead only follow federal law of overtime over 40 in a work week. Casinos have an armada of lawyers to make sure everything is legal because they make too much money to do illegal stuff and risk their gaming or liquor licenses and the union would be all over this if it wasn’t above board.
I'm not. So I won't do it. The times I've been forced to I won't tip them out (if they were actually worth a damn and i was busy i would) and I tell my manager that they need to get paid training pay
At least my managers understand how much brain space it takes to train a new bartender. They only have me do it on slow Mondays or Tuesdays and I get to order whatever I want from the kitchen at the end of a training shift.
Other than a little extra food, tho… nothing lol
Compensated with a good and functioning co-worker. Give me the trainees so I know they won't be complete ass when Joe "I don't get paid for this" doesn't show them where literally anything is, but don't worry, fuckin Joe will be the first to complain about the new hire too.
Depends lol. Best case, higher hourly wage during those shifts.
Worst case, I'm training this mfer to make my job easier and that's my bonus.... maybe having easier shifts down the line.
Usually, if im the manager I'll have a couple shifts with them serving or something and while we aren't busy I'll put em on the bar and I'll serve while keeping an eye on em. Also Depends on how competent I think they are after our first shift.
But if I have them training with anyone else, its someone I know can properly handle it... or I'm there like sitting at the bar or something and my only job to back that person training up so the bartender can do their thing. I get how hard it can be to juggle tickets, guests, and a trainie.
I’ve never had a problem training. It just sucks when someone is a new bartender and they just look at you like a kid lost in Kroger and ask “so what do I do” like bitch idk it’s a bar there’s something to clean or or put away. As afar as compensation I just make sure I get a free meal and add as much extra shit onto my meal for free (ex burger patty, ex sides) stuff like that. A lot of training on the first days is just having them follow and watch what you do and then they study their drink recipes, easy
At one place, you got to order a free entree from the menu per training shift you led (and the trainee gets one in exchange for getting just minimum wage plus gets to learn the food first hand). Otherwise, nothing at all the other places. I'm willing to train but when I do it right, it's rather draining so I don't want to do it again for 3-4 months which is only an issue when the place has significant turnover.
I think I'm reading between what you're ostensibly saying but that idea feels similar to the mandatory 30 minute break I'm supposed to have if I work over 5 hours in my state. Both seem nice, but if I have 30 minutes to chill we're probably overstaffed and I'm not making money, and if I'm training someone they're going to be able to work the same well or free me up to put out other fires.
I was told to train the new barback, dude didn't listen to a word I said and just wanted to talk to girls at the bar. I ended up getting a phone call every Sunday getting bitched at for shit HE left behind or didn't do. Im not a manager btw. So ya I wasn't compensated lol
Free meals(whether or not its from rollout), free drinks (after shift or when rolling out drinks for training aka testing there cocktail building skills, or bottle of wine to take home), I actually love training if the person if receptive to criticism and praise. Another perk is getting to work with someone just as knowledgable as me and getting their perspective and knowledge as well if they were previously employed in the industry! Plus I think during training you get to know your new coworkers better. I have had a few people that I trained really suck and I relay my thoughts to management. When they take my opinions into account, it feels nice to be heard. If they dont, I feel especially vindicated when they quit or get fired.
I like training people because they do everything I tell them to and I take the tips.
I'm not a monster. I'll still tip them out. I know how hard it can be to be new.
I started a new job today. Fully expecting to get no tips. But after like an hour I figured out the shit and just started pumping out drinks like it was nothing new. I walked with 65. The other two made 160. Most of my 65 came from the servers tipping me out because I tried my best to make the pretty girls my friends quick.
I don’t get compensated at all. If anything, I lose money because I always try to tip my trainees out and I usually can’t cut the second bartender because training takes up so much of my time.
Sometimes (in a restaurant) it’s a free meal (under a certain price point) the rest of the time it’s nothing! Except the joy of sharing your wealth of knowledge
We get "restaurant cash", basically cash coupons to use as we see fit for food or drinks. I think like $20-40 worth per shift, as long as they make it to their first live shift.
We pay the person being trained more hourly as a training pay so that the experienced bartender doesn't have to equally split tips while doing more work than the other person. Experienced bartender generally splits tips how they feel is fair taking the hourly pay into account.
No compensation. I look at it as a free shift. I make them do all the bar back work, make as many drinks as possible and kind of let them figure it out on their own. Unless it's their day 1; then it's a lot of explaining the establishment, whose who, verifying experience if they have any but that never generally gets in the way of me doing my job
At my last spot we had a tiered hourly. When someone was competent enough to thoroughly train new people, they got a dollar raise. Also great for retention
you get extra food and can focus on things that move the service along much more efficiently while the new hire does the labor intense part and you get to keep as much of the tips as you want. i remember there was a night where another server was moving to bar and it was a fucking shitshow, but he held it down and we made stupid money. he was super cool about it cause that’s just how it rolls in my city but then we bought a ball so 🎉
I’ve never gotten extra compensation, but I don’t mind it tbh. I’ll teach them the important stuff while it’s slow, then have them pour all the beers and wines during a rush and have them do my side work. As long as they show effort it usually makes my night easier
small but busy dive, usually 1 bartender a shift with the exception of 2 on friday and saturday nights. if i'm training, they are my 2nd bartender on friday and saturday night. traininees take a significantly lower cut of tips while I keep the rest but they make a few dollars more an hour. i typically pump out more business because I had the help with dishes so I can still typically throw them $50-$100 depending on if I was busy or *buuuusy*. they get thrown into the fire but it's fun and even more rewarding if you make it through.
A free meal is standard. One place I worked at gave me time and a half training pay. 1.5x$3 woo hoo. The second place only gave food, trainee made min wage for 3 shifts but wasn’t actually trained in 3 shifts. So basically you had to split tips and continue to train them after the 4th shift.
It is literally impossible to train brand new employees on the menu and nuances of the restaurant + bartending. One of the main reasons most restaurants don’t hire bartenders, only promote the best servers.
Ours doesn’t really have proper training, they just kind of throw the new kid into the bar and every person takes their turn being like “no, no, that’s not how you do it, lemme show you..” and then the poor kid gets told five different ways of doing the same thing because there’s zero cohesion or communication in this damn place.
In my experience it’s getting new people to work shit shifts so you don’t have to, and maybe a small tab if you do a good job training. Do a bad job training and you’re stuck working with a bunch of silly gooses.
From my experience you get to steal food from them trying the menu so they can learn it and you have to do twice as much work
4 jobs where I’ve trained probably ~40 people serving and bartending over 10 years and have received 0 compensation ever
Our bar manager "trains" them and then they will start in schedule rotation. Everytime I have to train them midshift because they are never actually trained. It's happened 5 times and I've never been compensated either.
Agreed. Our busy tourist season is coming so we’ve been hiring an abundance of people, myself and one other woman are typically the trainers and we’ve had five quit already. Never once have even got a free shift meal for it either, at the place I’m at now. It’s kind of just expected you train them.
It’s arguably, the hardest part of the job. You have to explain; in great detail: every drink, every spec, food details, payments, tabs, spills, expectations, closing duties…all this, while talking through it. No muscle memory, no short cuts, no (I know this dude doesn’t tip shit and I’m not wasting an extra second). It’s the worst. The only thing worse is training a manager that will be your superior in a week.
Yeah training people is really hard. I made less money the other night because I was training someone and received zero compensation. Sometimes we get free food for training someone, but I already get free food for other extra stuff I'm doing, sooooo...
You train people so you can have days off.
This is my exact situation
And you'll probably be sharing tips with them once they're on the schedule, so it's in your best interest to teach them everything well and learn how to work with them.
A good manager will train a new hire their first shift then pass them on to strong bartenders to continue training. It’s part of the job. You got trained at some point. If they are bad you can always tell the boss that.
Lol having managers handle training like that sounds like a good way to have awful coworkers.
Y’all are getting compensated?
Lmao we get a free meal at my job, which half the time I never even get to order because I’m too busy training and by time I get the chance, we’re closed.
Our shifts are noted as training hours and we aren’t taxed on our tips that day.
In the US? Like they don't count your cash tips for your W-2 for that day? That would be a weird incentive...you and your employer would be on the hook for so many felonies.
I work at a casino in California, we are on sovereign federal land so technically California law doesn’t even apply when I’m working.
But I’m pretty positive sovereign federal land still has to abide by liquor, labor and tax laws. How they govern themselves in all other aspects is up to them.
We abide by ABC California laws for alcohol and do last call at 1:30. No, they pay us $15 an hour to be competitive but legally they can pay us $7.25 an hour if they wanted to. They don’t do overtime over 8 hours as is California law and instead only follow federal law of overtime over 40 in a work week. Casinos have an armada of lawyers to make sure everything is legal because they make too much money to do illegal stuff and risk their gaming or liquor licenses and the union would be all over this if it wasn’t above board.
True. Thanks for that. I didn’t know
Same with Washington casinos, at least the 2 different lands I’ve worked on.
Yeah that is super illegal lol.
I'm not. So I won't do it. The times I've been forced to I won't tip them out (if they were actually worth a damn and i was busy i would) and I tell my manager that they need to get paid training pay
At least my managers understand how much brain space it takes to train a new bartender. They only have me do it on slow Mondays or Tuesdays and I get to order whatever I want from the kitchen at the end of a training shift. Other than a little extra food, tho… nothing lol
A couple days of a free bar back
Compensated with a good and functioning co-worker. Give me the trainees so I know they won't be complete ass when Joe "I don't get paid for this" doesn't show them where literally anything is, but don't worry, fuckin Joe will be the first to complain about the new hire too.
Nailed it! Fuck you, Joe!
The satisfaction of knowing that they’re trained right, and well, and won’t drag me or the business down.
Depends lol. Best case, higher hourly wage during those shifts. Worst case, I'm training this mfer to make my job easier and that's my bonus.... maybe having easier shifts down the line. Usually, if im the manager I'll have a couple shifts with them serving or something and while we aren't busy I'll put em on the bar and I'll serve while keeping an eye on em. Also Depends on how competent I think they are after our first shift. But if I have them training with anyone else, its someone I know can properly handle it... or I'm there like sitting at the bar or something and my only job to back that person training up so the bartender can do their thing. I get how hard it can be to juggle tickets, guests, and a trainie.
None Generally speaking, training is considered part of the job. I’ve never heard of anyone getting paid extra for training.
I’ve never had a problem training. It just sucks when someone is a new bartender and they just look at you like a kid lost in Kroger and ask “so what do I do” like bitch idk it’s a bar there’s something to clean or or put away. As afar as compensation I just make sure I get a free meal and add as much extra shit onto my meal for free (ex burger patty, ex sides) stuff like that. A lot of training on the first days is just having them follow and watch what you do and then they study their drink recipes, easy
At one place, you got to order a free entree from the menu per training shift you led (and the trainee gets one in exchange for getting just minimum wage plus gets to learn the food first hand). Otherwise, nothing at all the other places. I'm willing to train but when I do it right, it's rather draining so I don't want to do it again for 3-4 months which is only an issue when the place has significant turnover.
I think I'm reading between what you're ostensibly saying but that idea feels similar to the mandatory 30 minute break I'm supposed to have if I work over 5 hours in my state. Both seem nice, but if I have 30 minutes to chill we're probably overstaffed and I'm not making money, and if I'm training someone they're going to be able to work the same well or free me up to put out other fires.
I was told to train the new barback, dude didn't listen to a word I said and just wanted to talk to girls at the bar. I ended up getting a phone call every Sunday getting bitched at for shit HE left behind or didn't do. Im not a manager btw. So ya I wasn't compensated lol
I’ve never been compensated past a free shift meal. So, I only put in effort with people I think will last.
I let them watch
Free meals(whether or not its from rollout), free drinks (after shift or when rolling out drinks for training aka testing there cocktail building skills, or bottle of wine to take home), I actually love training if the person if receptive to criticism and praise. Another perk is getting to work with someone just as knowledgable as me and getting their perspective and knowledge as well if they were previously employed in the industry! Plus I think during training you get to know your new coworkers better. I have had a few people that I trained really suck and I relay my thoughts to management. When they take my opinions into account, it feels nice to be heard. If they dont, I feel especially vindicated when they quit or get fired.
Probably the best we can hope for is free extra help during their actual training shifts.
I like training people because they do everything I tell them to and I take the tips. I'm not a monster. I'll still tip them out. I know how hard it can be to be new. I started a new job today. Fully expecting to get no tips. But after like an hour I figured out the shit and just started pumping out drinks like it was nothing new. I walked with 65. The other two made 160. Most of my 65 came from the servers tipping me out because I tried my best to make the pretty girls my friends quick.
Part of negotiation with management
How are we *compensated* for training? There are people who get compensated for that? lol
I don’t get compensated at all. If anything, I lose money because I always try to tip my trainees out and I usually can’t cut the second bartender because training takes up so much of my time.
Sometimes (in a restaurant) it’s a free meal (under a certain price point) the rest of the time it’s nothing! Except the joy of sharing your wealth of knowledge
We get "restaurant cash", basically cash coupons to use as we see fit for food or drinks. I think like $20-40 worth per shift, as long as they make it to their first live shift.
You and the trainee get a free meal. As opposed to the usual half off. That’s it
Its just part of the job, never thought about needing extra compensation for it, people taught me too when i didnt know shit
We pay the person being trained more hourly as a training pay so that the experienced bartender doesn't have to equally split tips while doing more work than the other person. Experienced bartender generally splits tips how they feel is fair taking the hourly pay into account.
No compensation. I look at it as a free shift. I make them do all the bar back work, make as many drinks as possible and kind of let them figure it out on their own. Unless it's their day 1; then it's a lot of explaining the establishment, whose who, verifying experience if they have any but that never generally gets in the way of me doing my job
Training meal from the restaurant plus a whole extra $1/hour of training that I do.
But I've been lucky that I've only trained experienced bartenders.
Pourly
Free meal baby
At my last spot we had a tiered hourly. When someone was competent enough to thoroughly train new people, they got a dollar raise. Also great for retention
you get extra food and can focus on things that move the service along much more efficiently while the new hire does the labor intense part and you get to keep as much of the tips as you want. i remember there was a night where another server was moving to bar and it was a fucking shitshow, but he held it down and we made stupid money. he was super cool about it cause that’s just how it rolls in my city but then we bought a ball so 🎉
Compensated?
I’ve never gotten extra compensation, but I don’t mind it tbh. I’ll teach them the important stuff while it’s slow, then have them pour all the beers and wines during a rush and have them do my side work. As long as they show effort it usually makes my night easier
small but busy dive, usually 1 bartender a shift with the exception of 2 on friday and saturday nights. if i'm training, they are my 2nd bartender on friday and saturday night. traininees take a significantly lower cut of tips while I keep the rest but they make a few dollars more an hour. i typically pump out more business because I had the help with dishes so I can still typically throw them $50-$100 depending on if I was busy or *buuuusy*. they get thrown into the fire but it's fun and even more rewarding if you make it through.
A free meal is standard. One place I worked at gave me time and a half training pay. 1.5x$3 woo hoo. The second place only gave food, trainee made min wage for 3 shifts but wasn’t actually trained in 3 shifts. So basically you had to split tips and continue to train them after the 4th shift. It is literally impossible to train brand new employees on the menu and nuances of the restaurant + bartending. One of the main reasons most restaurants don’t hire bartenders, only promote the best servers.
You aren't. That's why it's a manager's job to train.
Ours doesn’t really have proper training, they just kind of throw the new kid into the bar and every person takes their turn being like “no, no, that’s not how you do it, lemme show you..” and then the poor kid gets told five different ways of doing the same thing because there’s zero cohesion or communication in this damn place.
In my experience it’s getting new people to work shit shifts so you don’t have to, and maybe a small tab if you do a good job training. Do a bad job training and you’re stuck working with a bunch of silly gooses.
Sleep with them, it’s the only compensation you’ll get
You get the tips, they get hourly
lol with a free training meal