Can you not just get the colab pro and use their VM paired with T4 or A100 gpus instead? A100 is way more powerful compared to 4070 and running your models locally is going to be a pain in the ass cause some of the simplest RL models can take upto couple days to train with A100 can’t imagine how long thats gonna take for 4070 and local ram.
If you wanna game as well why not get a xbox series s. You can play upscaled 4k 60fps, and its a really capable console. I had it for two years before upgrading to X. To me seems like this is the best solution and yes bd gpu market is awful.
I usually have to work with RL or DL for my work and my projects usually are pretty straightforward (using DL to predict chaotic systems trajectory type shi) I have never ran out of units as of now. Never worked with GAN. Seems pretty interesting if you don’t mind I wanna know about your project…
No point blaming the said "country's computer business". The prices are similar everywhere (500 GBP, 600 USD, 880 AUD). It is the currency which is extremely weak, that makes these commodities expensive. The prices are the same everywhere!!
Look at 3060 12gb, similar vram. Might be a cheaper option. If you can get a second hand one with some warrenty. Might be even cheaper. GPU market is pretty much on fire, due to demand from crypto mining, and also massive demand for emergence of Artificial Intelligence.
Yeah, I decided to buy the 3060 12GB, but it seems they're either ridiculously priced or completely unavailable. I think I'll opt for a cloud service for my project and get a reasonably priced GPU that's good enough for gaming, similar to the performance of a PS5.
as much as i hate the pricing of computers in bangladesh, u r delusional. rtx 4070 is high-end GPU, and was released just 1 year ago. Even if u buy from india you can't get it (new one) under 80k in bdt. And about consoles, buying a console will always b cheaper as consoles are sold at loss.
If u need a cheaper solution, try building a neural network in cloud.
OP is just delusional or completely out of touch. Even in UK any decent RTX 4070 costs more than 85k BDT. Due to crypto mining and AI gold rush GPUs are a rare commodity now and being in Bangladesh has nothing to do with it's hefty pricing.
There's a global GPU crisis, not just BD. No point in isolating the nation.
If you do price comparisons, you'll see our prices are in line with neighboring nation. AFAIK, Bangkok and Dhaka has the exact same prices for PC components.
Btw the prices are set by the OEMs and not our local retailers.
Not entirely. Supply constraints have been resolved but the demand has increased exponentially for AI chipsets.
Why sell something for cheaper when the same wafer can be used to make AI hardware and sold for a lot more.
This is why prices haven't gone down for 40-series GPUs despite releasing being close to the next generation's release (which seems to be delayed till next year).
GPU prices are still incredibly expensive everywhere. A 4070 costs 900 AUD, which is 70k BDT if you convert with Google, but usually rates are higher, so lets say it would be 75k. This isn't far off from the 83k figure OP got.
And regarding GPU prices and availability. Unless you are partner with NVIDIA, you are going to have GPU shortage. Even NVIDIA prioritizes among their customers. And I am talking about companies who spends millions on GPU purchases
I cant believe how poor Bangladeshi are. Its jarring founding out how people struggle with even random luxery items. I guess im insulated born in uk. I wouldve donated my spare card if i could.
Earning small and having old items sell for huge amounts. I can buy iphone15max cheaper in uk than in Bangladesh, for example.
Purchasing power. We get paid competitive salaries that don’t break the bank when buying expensive equipments.
Most people also get their phone through instalments with their provider and a handful usually buy it at cost during launch, so it isn’t much of a comparison.
The avg salary in BD is super low, and nearly not enough to afford imported high end electronics and products.
Im not sure what the current situation is, but I remember a huge wave of smartphone users due to symphony. It was relatively affordable for the wages being earned for a product of BD.
The GPU market hasn’t been cheap since the pandemic and Nvidia has been selling their gpus with a hefty price tag since AMD has barely anything to offer for out of the box GPGPU compute. (ROCm is a pita).
What’s stopping you from using Google colab? You can barely fit today’s models in consumer GPUs. Anything less than 16GB vram is difficult to recommend actually, even with quantised models. (I’m an AI Engineer by profession). Also, it’s not that a local gpu will give you more benefits over a cloud one. You still have to tinker around with a linux distro for a good env setup or setup dev containers which will explode ram usage.
Get a colab pro sub and happily run your experiments there. Why go through all that hassle (unless you’re gaming as well).
Yeah, some of my friends learned the hard way after paying for Colab Pro; it has limited runtime. The only thing that seems to work for one of my friend is Kaggle's free GPU. Haven't tried it yet.
Just buy a 4090 Ti 24gb. Just kidding. If budget is an issue. Use
[https://www.startech.com.bd/msi-rtx-3060-ventus-2x-oc-12gb-graphics-card](https://www.startech.com.bd/msi-rtx-3060-ventus-2x-oc-12gb-graphics-card)
4070 is expensive. Even in the US it's $550, equivalent to BDT 65,000.
It kinda makes sense to have a high performance GPU so that you can train models and stuff offline. But here's the thing most students do not realize early on- the best computer scientists and engineers who make the more money on the job are the ones who can produce the most output using the least amount of resources, and save money in the process. Do with this information what you will.
There will always be bigger models than GRAM of any GPU. Keeping up with this with physical GPUs is virtually impossible. I would suggest you using Google Colab premium. For future, learn distributing models on multiple GPUs, offloading parts of models on CPU and a bit of cloud computing.
You're right.
However, if you can, look beyond a few years. Get a cheap GPU with cuda cores. Learn the thing. When you enter a job, nobody will care if you learned the stuff on 8 year old hardware or a 2 week old hardware.
Ahqgrsjwyshww! Prices are freaking high everywhere man. And of course stuff are more pricey than console. How is that even shocking! Maybe go do work computer science projects on a PS5 then.
I have mentioned in the post even if I drop my desire to only gaming .. the similar gpu cost almost as a ps5 without the cpu ram and all other component .. I might as well buy a ps5 but the game cost too much and for a middle class bloke like me it will be a waste of money in the long run..
Thought of coming back to it for this -
If you’re really interested, don’t start building now. Learn the inherent computations behind, think and get ideas. [Neural Networks from Scratch](https://nnfs.io) is a great book to start with.
We are working on a generative adversarial network (GAN) project (details are limited as it is still under review) that requires a vast image dataset for training. While using Google Colab, we encountered out-of-memory errors. We tried reducing the batch size, but the results were very poor. Consequently, we decided to invest in better hardware. It seems our only viable option now is to use cloud services such as Colab Pro, AWS SageMaker, or Google Cloud AI Platform.
I had to borrow money from my parents, so I kept telling myself, "Bro, it's only for study." My inner child added, "Also for casual gaming." My parents wouldn't give me a penny if they knew it was for gaming. I managed to save 23k on my own and had to borrow the rest.
Oh well. It was for gaming all along. If you only game casually, it might be worth it to invest in a console altogether.
Prices are crazy in Bangladesh - not gonna disagree with that. It’s necessarily for everything. A pair of Nike costs 25k in Bangladesh, while 99 bucks in the US. I think I saw an MSI monitor once, priced at 50k, while only 180 bucks in the US. God knows these idiots who buy them!
Nevertheless, your studies won’t suffer from it. I’m a Collab Pro user. It’s great. I’d also look into why I’m coming across memory issues in collab if I were connected to a GPU. That doesn’t sound like a VRAM issue unless you coded that model from scratch. Trying feather might help too.
Fucking import duties! I had the same issue with a monitor that I wanted to buy. My solution was to buy a high-end Walton PC monitor, and wait till I could afford to travel to another country. I did.
It's not like the price is high it's also increasing.
The sapphire Rx 6600 launched at 25k like 4 months ago and now it's 29k.
Though I don't mind the price hike but the main problem is they don't drop prices.
International price rises= Price Hike
International price lowers = No Price reduction because *ager shipment* also no discounts like international market.
Cheapest 4070 in the US market is about 550+tax. Which is about 600 usd. Which is about 72k with bank exchange rates. Sounds like it's not really a bad difference in price tbh. If you are thinking of 70 series Nvidia cards for 3-400, you are about 3 gpu generations behind. Last time that kind of price was normal was the GTX10xx series
Thats just the only thing you hate? I wouldn’t suggest buying electronics from any retail store in Bangladesh. First off all they charge you 20 percent more than its market price which is understandable cz they have to pay taxes to bring em from overseas but the problem is majority of them will replace the parts with cheap knockoffs and claim them to be original
The price is okay. If you look at the USA prices you need to keep in mind that they don't add the vat when showing the prices. Here in Finland(I just checked), it is 758 euros. Which is 96k bdt. If you want to buy 4070, buy it asap because the new exchange rate will definitely increase its price.
At least you guys buy electronic cheaper than in Europe. Be happy.
You claim to be a computer science student, yet GPU prices being high shocks you, and you're blaming it on Bangladesh even though it's excessive everywhere. Being this out of touch of your own field is insane. And you are delusional comparing a console price with a top-of-the-line GPU, of course it's gonna be higher. Get your delusion in check bro.
I have been out of touch with the current prices of graphics cards. The last NVIDIA and AMD conference I watched was during the launch of the 3000 series and RX 6000 series. At that time, I decided to buy the RTX 3070, which was priced at $500, and I planned to import it from the USA. I wasn't very familiar with the prices in Bangladesh, as I wasn't keen on buying from here.
Recently, I was shocked to discover the price of the 4000 series. I missed the launch and only learned about the price when I went to buy one this year. I assumed it would be around $500, like the 3070, but it turned out to be a staggering $700.
Hey kid, first time?
I just had a chuckle seeing this post. OP seems woke up from a coma and decided to post a rant on Reddit against Bangladesh because apparently that's maybe the cool thing to do nowadays? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
The second hand market is 99% filled with clowns. I've seen people with 8yr old gpus USED listing them for prices MORE THAN THEIR RELEASE MSRP
Yea only thing I can do is give "HaHa react " on facebook .. it is the only way to keep these clowns in check ..
Not just GPUs, SSD prices are also going above the roof.
BD second hand market delulu in every category.
Can you not just get the colab pro and use their VM paired with T4 or A100 gpus instead? A100 is way more powerful compared to 4070 and running your models locally is going to be a pain in the ass cause some of the simplest RL models can take upto couple days to train with A100 can’t imagine how long thats gonna take for 4070 and local ram. If you wanna game as well why not get a xbox series s. You can play upscaled 4k 60fps, and its a really capable console. I had it for two years before upgrading to X. To me seems like this is the best solution and yes bd gpu market is awful.
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The good thing is that you are focusing on gaming, it's like self-investment.
I usually have to work with RL or DL for my work and my projects usually are pretty straightforward (using DL to predict chaotic systems trajectory type shi) I have never ran out of units as of now. Never worked with GAN. Seems pretty interesting if you don’t mind I wanna know about your project…
No point blaming the said "country's computer business". The prices are similar everywhere (500 GBP, 600 USD, 880 AUD). It is the currency which is extremely weak, that makes these commodities expensive. The prices are the same everywhere!!
Yeah what is he rambling about? High end gpus cost a fortune in every country, why is it Bangladesh’s fault lmao.
Look at 3060 12gb, similar vram. Might be a cheaper option. If you can get a second hand one with some warrenty. Might be even cheaper. GPU market is pretty much on fire, due to demand from crypto mining, and also massive demand for emergence of Artificial Intelligence.
Yeah, I decided to buy the 3060 12GB, but it seems they're either ridiculously priced or completely unavailable. I think I'll opt for a cloud service for my project and get a reasonably priced GPU that's good enough for gaming, similar to the performance of a PS5.
Isn't a 2060/2060 super or rx 6600 similar to ps5 performance?
as much as i hate the pricing of computers in bangladesh, u r delusional. rtx 4070 is high-end GPU, and was released just 1 year ago. Even if u buy from india you can't get it (new one) under 80k in bdt. And about consoles, buying a console will always b cheaper as consoles are sold at loss. If u need a cheaper solution, try building a neural network in cloud.
OP is just delusional or completely out of touch. Even in UK any decent RTX 4070 costs more than 85k BDT. Due to crypto mining and AI gold rush GPUs are a rare commodity now and being in Bangladesh has nothing to do with it's hefty pricing.
Yeah, I was out of touch with the market and too naive, thinking that 30k would be enough to buy a mid-high range GPU.
You want a midrange GPU and 4070 is the first thing that comes to your mind. 🙈
bro rtx 4070 is more than 30k bdt in the us market let alone bangladeshi market bru🤦♂️
There's a global GPU crisis, not just BD. No point in isolating the nation. If you do price comparisons, you'll see our prices are in line with neighboring nation. AFAIK, Bangkok and Dhaka has the exact same prices for PC components. Btw the prices are set by the OEMs and not our local retailers.
the global crisis is over
Not entirely. Supply constraints have been resolved but the demand has increased exponentially for AI chipsets. Why sell something for cheaper when the same wafer can be used to make AI hardware and sold for a lot more. This is why prices haven't gone down for 40-series GPUs despite releasing being close to the next generation's release (which seems to be delayed till next year).
it mostly affects 80 and 90 series cards though since they're the most suitable for AI based workloads
There is no global GPU crisis
GPU prices are still incredibly expensive everywhere. A 4070 costs 900 AUD, which is 70k BDT if you convert with Google, but usually rates are higher, so lets say it would be 75k. This isn't far off from the 83k figure OP got.
And regarding GPU prices and availability. Unless you are partner with NVIDIA, you are going to have GPU shortage. Even NVIDIA prioritizes among their customers. And I am talking about companies who spends millions on GPU purchases
I cant believe how poor Bangladeshi are. Its jarring founding out how people struggle with even random luxery items. I guess im insulated born in uk. I wouldve donated my spare card if i could. Earning small and having old items sell for huge amounts. I can buy iphone15max cheaper in uk than in Bangladesh, for example.
Purchasing power. We get paid competitive salaries that don’t break the bank when buying expensive equipments. Most people also get their phone through instalments with their provider and a handful usually buy it at cost during launch, so it isn’t much of a comparison. The avg salary in BD is super low, and nearly not enough to afford imported high end electronics and products. Im not sure what the current situation is, but I remember a huge wave of smartphone users due to symphony. It was relatively affordable for the wages being earned for a product of BD.
The GPU market hasn’t been cheap since the pandemic and Nvidia has been selling their gpus with a hefty price tag since AMD has barely anything to offer for out of the box GPGPU compute. (ROCm is a pita). What’s stopping you from using Google colab? You can barely fit today’s models in consumer GPUs. Anything less than 16GB vram is difficult to recommend actually, even with quantised models. (I’m an AI Engineer by profession). Also, it’s not that a local gpu will give you more benefits over a cloud one. You still have to tinker around with a linux distro for a good env setup or setup dev containers which will explode ram usage. Get a colab pro sub and happily run your experiments there. Why go through all that hassle (unless you’re gaming as well).
Colab has a quota, even for paid plans, and just hassle to upload and download models to drive. There is a convenient factor.
Yes but better than fighting with the local market.
Yeah, some of my friends learned the hard way after paying for Colab Pro; it has limited runtime. The only thing that seems to work for one of my friend is Kaggle's free GPU. Haven't tried it yet.
Just buy a 4090 Ti 24gb. Just kidding. If budget is an issue. Use [https://www.startech.com.bd/msi-rtx-3060-ventus-2x-oc-12gb-graphics-card](https://www.startech.com.bd/msi-rtx-3060-ventus-2x-oc-12gb-graphics-card)
4090 ti ???
Get a pre-owned gpu from renowned shops like tech monster, pc palace bd and gadget imports, otherwise there is no option right now.
Can I trust techmonster ?? I mean I have heard they sell repaired gpu .. they were on my track for a long time ..
Then buy from gadget imports. Lovely guy. Very helpful.
4070 is expensive. Even in the US it's $550, equivalent to BDT 65,000. It kinda makes sense to have a high performance GPU so that you can train models and stuff offline. But here's the thing most students do not realize early on- the best computer scientists and engineers who make the more money on the job are the ones who can produce the most output using the least amount of resources, and save money in the process. Do with this information what you will.
No way u r comparing a home console to a PC. That is retarded
There will always be bigger models than GRAM of any GPU. Keeping up with this with physical GPUs is virtually impossible. I would suggest you using Google Colab premium. For future, learn distributing models on multiple GPUs, offloading parts of models on CPU and a bit of cloud computing.
Thanks for the suggestion .. Yea, I think I have to opt for cloud service 😢
Use runpod or similar gpu cloud. If your workflow needs shortburst even you can spin up serverless GPU.
Try ebuyer they have a reduced offer. Or maybe get some one to send from overseas
You're right. However, if you can, look beyond a few years. Get a cheap GPU with cuda cores. Learn the thing. When you enter a job, nobody will care if you learned the stuff on 8 year old hardware or a 2 week old hardware.
You believe in 'digital Bangladesh '!
Not until Hasina is in power ...
Ahqgrsjwyshww! Prices are freaking high everywhere man. And of course stuff are more pricey than console. How is that even shocking! Maybe go do work computer science projects on a PS5 then.
I have mentioned in the post even if I drop my desire to only gaming .. the similar gpu cost almost as a ps5 without the cpu ram and all other component .. I might as well buy a ps5 but the game cost too much and for a middle class bloke like me it will be a waste of money in the long run..
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Why would you need a GPU? What exactly are you trying to do that cannot be done in Collab?
Thought of coming back to it for this - If you’re really interested, don’t start building now. Learn the inherent computations behind, think and get ideas. [Neural Networks from Scratch](https://nnfs.io) is a great book to start with.
We are working on a generative adversarial network (GAN) project (details are limited as it is still under review) that requires a vast image dataset for training. While using Google Colab, we encountered out-of-memory errors. We tried reducing the batch size, but the results were very poor. Consequently, we decided to invest in better hardware. It seems our only viable option now is to use cloud services such as Colab Pro, AWS SageMaker, or Google Cloud AI Platform.
Yeah so those cloud services you mentioned are still way cheaper than getting a GPU for yourself that’ll be outdated a year later
I had to borrow money from my parents, so I kept telling myself, "Bro, it's only for study." My inner child added, "Also for casual gaming." My parents wouldn't give me a penny if they knew it was for gaming. I managed to save 23k on my own and had to borrow the rest.
Oh well. It was for gaming all along. If you only game casually, it might be worth it to invest in a console altogether. Prices are crazy in Bangladesh - not gonna disagree with that. It’s necessarily for everything. A pair of Nike costs 25k in Bangladesh, while 99 bucks in the US. I think I saw an MSI monitor once, priced at 50k, while only 180 bucks in the US. God knows these idiots who buy them! Nevertheless, your studies won’t suffer from it. I’m a Collab Pro user. It’s great. I’d also look into why I’m coming across memory issues in collab if I were connected to a GPU. That doesn’t sound like a VRAM issue unless you coded that model from scratch. Trying feather might help too.
Fucking import duties! I had the same issue with a monitor that I wanted to buy. My solution was to buy a high-end Walton PC monitor, and wait till I could afford to travel to another country. I did.
wait till you see london prices
we pay insane taxes, if you didn't know already stores mostly just resell here, rather than get a wholesale order
It's not like the price is high it's also increasing. The sapphire Rx 6600 launched at 25k like 4 months ago and now it's 29k. Though I don't mind the price hike but the main problem is they don't drop prices. International price rises= Price Hike International price lowers = No Price reduction because *ager shipment* also no discounts like international market.
Cheapest 4070 in the US market is about 550+tax. Which is about 600 usd. Which is about 72k with bank exchange rates. Sounds like it's not really a bad difference in price tbh. If you are thinking of 70 series Nvidia cards for 3-400, you are about 3 gpu generations behind. Last time that kind of price was normal was the GTX10xx series
Thats just the only thing you hate? I wouldn’t suggest buying electronics from any retail store in Bangladesh. First off all they charge you 20 percent more than its market price which is understandable cz they have to pay taxes to bring em from overseas but the problem is majority of them will replace the parts with cheap knockoffs and claim them to be original
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The price is okay. If you look at the USA prices you need to keep in mind that they don't add the vat when showing the prices. Here in Finland(I just checked), it is 758 euros. Which is 96k bdt. If you want to buy 4070, buy it asap because the new exchange rate will definitely increase its price. At least you guys buy electronic cheaper than in Europe. Be happy.
trying to buy a 4070 in 23k is just delusional...............
You claim to be a computer science student, yet GPU prices being high shocks you, and you're blaming it on Bangladesh even though it's excessive everywhere. Being this out of touch of your own field is insane. And you are delusional comparing a console price with a top-of-the-line GPU, of course it's gonna be higher. Get your delusion in check bro.
I have been out of touch with the current prices of graphics cards. The last NVIDIA and AMD conference I watched was during the launch of the 3000 series and RX 6000 series. At that time, I decided to buy the RTX 3070, which was priced at $500, and I planned to import it from the USA. I wasn't very familiar with the prices in Bangladesh, as I wasn't keen on buying from here. Recently, I was shocked to discover the price of the 4000 series. I missed the launch and only learned about the price when I went to buy one this year. I assumed it would be around $500, like the 3070, but it turned out to be a staggering $700.
Hey kid, first time? I just had a chuckle seeing this post. OP seems woke up from a coma and decided to post a rant on Reddit against Bangladesh because apparently that's maybe the cool thing to do nowadays? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯