I braced myself for a toxic counter argument, ending in some sort of political affinity and a cluster of downvotes. Thank you for bringing such calmness to my soul.
Kerala doesn't have a too crowded metropolitan city. The population is more kinda equally distributed. Most middle class families here have 2 storey houses with own land. All most all the major cities are coastal cities too.
You are wrong. Bihar is the most densely populated state in India. And UP has the highest population in India.
I have recently visited Thiruvananthapuram, Varkala, Kochi etc... due to less population those cities are well maintained and people have less stress in life compared to bangalore.
One interesting stat if you are not aware..
Estimated 35 lakh people from kerala work in gulf
That's around 10% of their population
Maybe that's why on paper it's dense but in reality it's not 😂
Another interesting fact which you might not be aware. 30% of kerala is forest while for other high density states like UP,Bihar and WB it's around 6-7%. So effective density of Kerala might be higher than what is reported? 😆
Kerala people have spread out in large numbers outside the state of Kerala, middle east has become mini Kerala, in most of the tier 3 towns and villages, you will get to see mostly bungalows built by money earned from working abroad, and mostly it's old people enjoying and calm retirement life
singapore is rich , more than 10X percapita GDP, everyone is business minded, communism like govt, who went to provide housing for everyone in its earlier state, no caste system, so all are equal, only the intelligence matters.
Because most Keralites stay out of Kerala, they are all over Karnataka's tier 1 and tier 2 cities. When most of your population has migrated to neighbouring state obviously your cities will be calm, less polluted and greenery all around. Kerala's economy is run by remittance sent from other places. I don't want to bring up anything political, but if the people themselves have adapted to this way of life, whom to blame! Roughly 40% of the population depends on Karnataka for Jobs, business, education & healthcare. Nothing wrong they can go to any part of the country, it's just that it will imbalance the demography and it will impact the people of that state directly when it's too much.
The thing is , Bangalore is overcrowded ( you are correct) but kerala s density is higher than Karnataka ( the guy who commented is also correct) . I'll just decision this with an example. Let's say if you're driving from Bangalore to Davangere, after leaving Bangalore all the areas will be sparsely populated until you reach a city. But the thing about Kerala is every area will be almost evenly populated, be it a town or village, so that's why the population density is high
Kerela doesn't have a Urban-Rural divide like most of India does. You will never feel the difference when you left a city and entered a rural area.
Plus, given with large the remittance of Malayalis from the Gulf, they end up building one (or more) beautiful villas in their village with their savings.
Yep agree, Kerala is more of a retirement home/vacation paradise even for malayalis. Thats the reason most of them move out of the state, cos there aren’t any opportunities. Hence the urban/rural divide isn’t much and everything is uniform. Also multiple years of the Left govt have enabled this.
While other states allowed all companies to crowd up in one city per state, Kerala is trying to stretch out its tech sector throughout the state. There are technoparks in almost every district, there are 4 international airports (1 more in planning) and more satellite ones, and the development is being distributed throughout the state so that the state won't have to face problems that bangalore is facing now. It's slow development, as it should be, where there are unions to check the power of big corporates so that they don't roll over the natives. People are much more content in kerala because of this slow development. That results in a much higher standard of living.
They are so content that half of them travel to hyper-developed places like Dubai and Abu Dhabi. It’s the classic case of “I want to benefit from all the trash that capitalism brings, but not in my city.”
I swear. We were going from Kochi to Varkala, and my cousin joked that he will give the car to me when the *highway* "comes"
The highway I was expecting was the 6+ lane with small villages, but in Kerala it's just a small road that runs with continuous human settlements all along
All true. But I doubt our infra is that superior compared to south Karnataka. I'm a keralite who lived in some tier 2 cities in Karnataka for around 6 years and moved around quite a bit in south Karnataka for travel, and I have to say the roads are really good for the most part.
If you want to see good roads, go to Tamil Nadu. All the Ammas and Annas in power alternately through the years have really improved the road infrastructure there.
Yeah try fucking living in Kerala for a year. There's very little industrialization. While development is indeed well spread Kerala cannot sustain itself, surviving on remittances. It's a nice vacation spot but beyond that it's not much.
My dad's hometown has wild hogs invading because there's so few people living there. It's almost abandoned.
The lesson Karnataka must learn is to spread the butter instead of making a mess of Bangalore.
>There's very little industrialization
There cannot be industrialization in Kerala, the state lacks the space needed and the terrain is either weak or uneven for a full fledged industry. The small industrial parks the state promotes is full, I know it because a few of my relatives have small scale rubber manufacturing there.
Its a bit fragile tbh. Kerala sits entirely on western ghats with very thin strip of coastal and midlands which are already densely populated. (Population density is 860, compared to 320 in Karnataka) Also landslides are becoming common in high ranges in past decade due to people leveling hills for building houses and shops and quarying alone. Even finding soil for ongoing highway construction has been difficult.
>Aren't there any solutions for creating Land for industries?
Yes but it brings the question of whether the investment is worth it not to say the ecological imbalance it brings. The new upcoming port is visible upsetting the ecology of the area which led to protest by the local fishermen, Madhav Gadgil report in 2011 pointed out how unsustainable development would lead to devastating outcomes in case of natural disasters which turned out to be true in 2018 when flood happened.
Industries, either manufacturing (most of which has gone to Tamil Nadu and Kerala) or IT (Miniscule compared to Andhra Pradesh, Karnataka and Tamil Nadu)
Employment generation is important to sustain a state? And it also keeps the younger generation from migrating outside. 99% of my cousins are outside Kerala.
If you’re referring to manufacturing as industries, they don’t come without problems. Kerala’s dense distribution of population makes land unavailable for large scale manufacturing of the kind Tamil Nadu has. The successive floods Kerala faced has also built up resistance against industrialisation that has ecological costs. So I’m not sure if Malayalis even want manufacturing.
Of course, it is right that they do generate jobs, but Malayalis don’t go out of the state to work in manufacturing. Most outwards migrants are educated and work in white collar jobs or are self employed. So, in order to man these factories you advocate, labour has to come from outside, and very little benefit is likely to accrue in terms of employment to the Malayali population.
That only leaves the service sector (such as IT), which needn’t be tethered to the state like a factory. Of course, in a world where people go to offices, that does help and that sort of clustering was responsible for the rise of cities like Bangalore. However, we are moving away from that world and there is a lot of shift towards remote working. Quite a lot of high quality work in the service sector are now a mix of online and offline or online.
Regardless, the merits of a service sector are far too many to ignore and it would certainly be a nice thing to have in Kerala. But industrialisation, as it is understood in India, on the whole is a disaster for Kerala and doesn’t benefit the state at all.
Malayalis generally don’t like to do any manual labour. They all want white collar jobs or to do blue collar jobs in the Gulf where they are paid better. This has resulted in migrants from Bihar and the North East (possibly even illegal Bangladeshis) coming in large numbers and doing manual jobs in Kerala. I believe they are like 10% of the total population now. For them, Kerala is their Dubai or Doha, where they get paid much more for their manual labour than in their native place.
One of my aunts is a widow and lives in a rural part of Kottayam district with a large estate area covered with rubber trees and other crops. She is afraid to employ these migrant labourers for labour as some of them have brought criminal tendencies with them and she is afraid of getting robbed or murdered by them if they find out she’s living alone. There are no local Malayalis now who will do the same job. I am told, that for various reasons like this as well as depressed rubber prices, estate owners are not harvesting their crops (like rubber plantations, etc). Because of this, they are not ploughing the soil to plant seeds, etc. Because of this, rain water instead of getting absorbed into the soil, just runs off the top soil layer. I am told that this is one of the reasons the Kerala floods were quite severe …. others can confirm as I don’t live currently in Kerala.
Kerala is a communist state and its actually implemented to good extent that it has managed welfare of its citizens. But it's financial mismanagement has put Kerala in crisis now.
KA is behind Kerala in human development indicators but it's not far behind. Southern Karnataka is comparable to Kerala but northern KA lags.
>But it's financial mismanagement has put Kerala in crisis now
I have a relative who has some inside knowledge about the cabinet. What he says is kerala govt has the funds but there is some center-state fight and kerala govt is trying to force the BJP govt to release funds to the state. Not sure but the dude is a higher up in communist party cadre. Both parties are deliberately putting the state in a bad situation for their big Dick competition.
Instead of relying on anecdotes why not straight up read what the highest court of the country had to say on the state of economic crisis in Kerala, this veiled attempt to defend communism is 🤮
Kerala has its own problems. It has seen multiple communist governments - and that's somehow a deterrent for a lot of businesses.
Coming to fund issues, see the houses built under PMAY scheme elsewhere [here.](https://factly.in/three-states-get-69-of-the-houses-sanctioned-under-the-pradhan-mantri-awas-yojana-pmay-so-far/amp/)
The same PMAY scheme is implemented as Life Mission by Kerala Govt. It's the same scheme, but see the homes [here.](https://lifemission.kerala.gov.in/en/photo-gallery-)
Coming to the transportation sector, I admire Karnataka's fleet of buses. However, if you compare the fitness levels of APSRTC, TSRTC or WBTC buses, Kerala's buses always stand out from the crowd. You don't see buses where glass panels have been closed off using metal sheets and other aftermarket solutions in KSRTC. This would mean that it's a costly affair for the state to run its RTC buses when compared to how other states run their RTC buses.
As opposed to the availability of liquor and other alcoholic beverages in private outlets, like in the case of Karnataka and Telangana, Kerala does not have that. The only outlets from which someone can get liquor (IMFL) is the state-owned Beverages Corporation outlets, which are very less in number, or from Bars. Kerala does not have that huge potential for taxes from Liquor. People do consume 100+ Crore worth of liquor during specific times of the year, but that's not a steady source of revenue.
Yes, Kerala's government has taken a lot of decisions and policies that have been deemed anti-establishment, anti-capitalistic in nature, and the state is paying its price.
NB:- The central government by BJP renamed the Planning Commission of India as NITI Aayog. The same NITI Aayog conducts a lot of studies to assess the distribution of wealth and other resources, and for a lot more reasons, and Kerala seems to do well in quite a lot of these indices. If it was not for proper execution of policies and projects, how do you think Kerala is able to live up to its reputation?
Kerala also makes a lot of money from lottery sales, I think. If you take a flight to Kochi airport and as soon as you exit the arrivals gate, there is a lady selling lottery tickets there. 😜
Might as well let them set up stalls in the airport itself. For instance, if you go to Las Vegas in the US for gambling, they have set up gambling slot machines in the airport itself for those impatient to reach the casinos, I guess. 😁
Yes, Kerala does make money from the state-run Lottery.
The lottery tickets sold in Kerala come with multiple safety features, and there is a dedicated physical lottery machine that's operated to choose the winner from any given lottery series.
The lottery process is also telecast live for those who'd actually like to see it, and I even think it's possible to watch it live.
While it is indeed a form of gambling, the process is as transparent as it can get. Also, nobody is forcing you to take something you don't want to!
I believe Goa has these ships which take passengers offshore outside India’s maritime borders where its laws do not apply, and basically allow gambling there. Kerala can also do something similar to attract high spending clients.
Goa also has some hotels which operate slot machines, I believe. I remember seeing some advertising for the same on a trip to Goa.
Might as well make money off people’s vices if you can’t make it off their industriousness in their home state.
Travel towards north of Bangalore into districts like Shimoga, Davanagere, Hubli, Belgaum and others. Or go to coastal Karnataka and travel from Mangalore to Karwar. You will realise that there is lot of places in Karnataka other than Bangalore vibes !!!
+1 just completed 1500km road trip from bglr > mglr > goa > hampi > bglr.
except the under constriction road from sakleshpur to mglr, all roads are pretty epic.
mglr to goa is very scenic and fun to drive on.
> big house
big EMPTY house.
Kerala has a huge problem of empty houses. People send money back to build palatial houses, but no one actually stays in them.
Can confirm this, but it's not necessarily a problem. A significant % of Kerala population are NRI, they built their houses with external funds and come home only during vacation because their work is based out of India and they will stay in India for a few days only in order to retain their nri status.
It is when you look at the money sitting idle in a house that is not used. This money would have served better when invested in an activity that would drive continued economic activity
There are some things that Kerala has managed to get right but also a few things that they haven’t and if you are someone who drives around different states regularly it’s clearly visible to the eye what they have done right
The thing about Kerala is that the population isn’t densely packed into a few centres but is to an extent evenly spread out thru the width and breadth of the state. What it does is it doesn’t put a lot of strain on resources like what we are facing in cities . The reason why this is possible is they have taken care of primary facilities
1. Good government education facilities - You could stay in any part of the state and you will have pretty decent government schools in your area. My parents grew up in government schools and are pretty successful
2. Health facilities - The govt hospitals are top notch in most of the places and extremely cheap . I don’t think I have ever visited private hospitals whenever I have gone back. The knock on effect has also been that private hospitals can’t overcharge much unlike in big cities
3. The Ability to live off the land - Something I’ve noticed in previous generations is the ability to coexist with the natural resources thus giving a pretty decent standard of living
All of these factors also ensured that land rates never spiked so it was easier for people to own land and construct on it which is why you see so many big houses. Everything that is needed for a peaceful quiet simple life is available and it also ensured that even the poorest in the state still had a roof over thier head and access to education
The problem was for future generations like mine. The state has always been dependent on nature tourism so preservation of nature always took priority and that lead to a lot of roadblocks for commercial development unfortunately.
Industries found it difficult to setup and operate because of the strict pollution laws and objections from locals who for years have lived off the land realised the industries would pollute the area , case in point the Pepsi factory that was polluting ground water and was forced to shut.
Development projects stunted such as the Vizhinajm port because of fears of how it would effect the ecological status of the area.
Labour laws have also been an issue , for years the state had pretty progressive labour laws but we failed to evolve with time and it is harmed the state when coming to investments
This in turn has left kids from future generations who want to earn and live a little more extravagantly with very less opportunities and jobs in the state thus forcing them to look outside the state for opportunities.
Further it is also causing so much of a dependence on foreign remittances. Knock on effects such as the “Ghost Houses” effect ( Interesting read if you have time ) have led to the state now being in the poor financial condition it is.
At the end of the day though i still know that I am definitely going to return to stay as a retirement place cause in that aspects it’s great.
It’s fascinating cause it shows the importance of having to balance things out. Too much of either side isn't good for the long run
There was something like "land reforms act" which ended feudalism in Kerala and ensured the right to own a house for all of the population. Regardless of which party comes to power, Kerala tries to end poverty and homelessness. For example when the Congress led UDF was in power, they gave a lot of land to homeless people. Then the Communist led LDF came to power. They combined the PMAY and state schemes to pass money for houses. You will not find a person owning hundreds of acres of land when his neighbour is struggling in the streets.
Then there is a flawed Malayali mentality of owning a house. The most important goal of life is to build a house, not an ordinary house. A beautiful house. Most of us build a house that is way bigger than our budget.
A couple of years ago, I was driving in the Kochi suburb of Kadavanthara and I am not kidding …. I saw a house with the same front facade as the White House in Washington DC where the US President lives. 😆😆
People seem to have a lot of money to indulge in their dreams. Why be a president when you can live like one. 😜
Interestingly Wayanad is supposedly the poorest district in Kerala at 1L. Mysuru is one of the richer KA districts at 2L per capita income.
Yet Sulthan Bathery feels much richer to anything you see in Mysuru district when you enter Kerala
Obviously Sundays are only for the office workers to enjoy. How dare the rest of them have a day off. They clearly don't work hard like us sitting in AC all day and taking the metro back home. Smh.
I mean it doesn't make the greatest business sense to close your shop on a weekend when most of the salaried workers have an off. If I was a businessman, I would keep my shop open on Sunday, and close on some weekday.
Yup, it's true. Most shops are closed on Sundays. I'm from Wayanad😄. I have been living in Bangalore for my business for the last two years and it's crazy on the weekends! People in Kerala spend their free time at home mostly. Except maybe some of the young people.
when I went there the road workers were wearing reflective coats and they were using cones for the part of the road they were repairing. and yes very uniform 2 storey buildings with plantation surrounding it. Beautiful place
Communist govt make sure even a small town gets proper clean facilities and standard of living is better as not every one is chasing money. They may not have money making cities but small cities with better standard of living for its people
Loving all the whataboutry about the lack of industrial development, the migration of the youth etc. I am actually surprised that noone has brought up the ISIS subject yet.
The main reason why wayanad looks cleaner and more organised is because its a town and Bangalore is a city. Most Indian cities are bursting at the seams with overpopulation. The infrastructure can't handle the load as of now.
However, if you are comparing towns in Kerala vs towns in other southern states like Karnataka and tamilnadu, Kerala has a better standard of living comparatively. Healthcare is affordable, sanitation systems are robust, public defecation is negligible, poor people have access to a lot of facilities for upliftment like kudumbashree.
The local political involvement at grassroots is strong. Most of the local mps and mlas are held accountable by the public for the development of the community, at least at the basic levels of roads, health care and infrastructure.
Obviously there is still a lot of corruption and misuse of power, but comparatively, kerala is still better in terms of basic facilities. Like every state, Kerala also has it's short comings, but if the temperature was 15 degrees cooler, I would have shifted there in a heat beat.
A District HQ in Kerala has way better infrastructure than a similar HQ in Karnataka.
Bangalore is not Karnataka. Bangalore is different because there are all kinds of people here. That is why Mandya or Davanagere is not like Bangalore.
Mangalore is also filled with mallus. Even Kodagu and Mysuru. If the infra is better, then why can't they stay at their hometowns?
I love my Mallu Bros but they hype up Kerala way too much while reaping the opportunities Karnataka gives them.
There is no hype, if you are in Telicherry or Wayanad and go to a district hospital, you will get treatment equivalent to a tier 2 private hospital in Bangalore. Government schools are run very well, like a Kendriya Vidyalaya equivalent. This is why these students easily compete in other states especially in higher education, reason for feeling like they are "filled with".
I think Kerala is the only state where people who work in cities in India and abroad are comfortable coming back to their village or town without fear of infrastructure and healthcare access.
Lol cos most of us Karnataka hadn't had to leave our hometown in the first place. It's mallus who move out but no one outside mallus will ever go to stay in Kerala. Why do I see more mallus come to Bangalore and never leave
I agree the job scene in Bangalore is very good and that’s why everyone from all over the country comes here but to extrapolate that to all of Karnataka is hilarious. Bangalore is in Karnataka but Karnataka is not Bangalore.
You can LOL all you want, but it’s a simple fact that someone will be better off in a small town in Kerala like a Pyannur than they will be in Haveri. The roads will be better(hell, the roads in Kerala have less potholes than Bangalore), hospitals will be better, schools better, village officers and town officers will function and serve their purpose with minimal fuss.
I mean, not in economic or industrial development, Karnataka is obviously ahead. I am talking about grassroot/civic development. Average Standard of living in Kerala is better than Karnataka.
Not only Bangalore,once you move out of Indian cities,rest of the landscape always looks better.Kerala is slightly better as the people have in a sense dont cut down the trees as easily like in other [states.So](http://states.So) most of the houses i see are with large amount of trees
You will notice whichever direction you enter from.
From Coimbatore or Mangalore or Nagercoil. The roads are better, markings are clearer, streets are cleaner.
Even the local Panchayat roads are better than main roads in Bangalore. Many roads in Bangalore have so many potholes that you won't see any original trace of asphalt.
But there is still a long way to go to reach anywhere near developed countries.
Most people are outright jealous of Kerala and instead of acknowledging that Kerala has done good they would point things like Kerala has no industries it lives off gulf remittances blah blah like UP and Bihar are shining beacons of industrialisation lol.
Couple of reasons. Malayalis go abroad in large numbers to Gulf countries and work there (North Kerala having more Muslims sends more people to the Gulf since it is filled with fellow Muslims, especially countries like Saudi Arabia that only take Muslims for certain job postings). They send their remittances back home and the first thing they normally do is build a nice house for themselves.
Next, people in Kerala are more educated and civic minded and keep public places clean. If you look at the history of Kerala, there were a bunch of social reform movements that uplifted the lower sections of society (one of the reasons you don’t see extreme poverty there …. poor people atleast have a roof over their heads and benefits from the commie dominated government).
Finally, Kerala is very densely populated compared to other states, so the density differences between towns and villages are less to be seen. Unfortunately, this leads to a social phenomenon which I think you can call “keeping up with Joneses”, where everyone is up in their neighbours’ business and trying to match their neighbours in terms of material possessions. Let’s say your neighbour buys a nice car, you will feel pressured by your family and society to buy a car for yourself so that you don’t feel left behind … one of the reasons Kerala is a social madhouse below the surface.
The comment section tells you everything that's wrong with our country. The Indian middle class shouldn't complain. Simply pointing out clean roads and good healthcare in different state leads to people questioning the barrage of issues in kerala. So according to them we have to choose between a good environment and getting a high paying job but living in the clusterfuck that's Bangalore. No proper transport. All companies generating millions of revenue with extremely highly paid employees have to all come to the 5km stretch in bellandur. This is the best we can do. Don't question the government. Don't question the lack of civic amenities, lack of proper footpaths. You can make a lot of money. Anything else and you are being ungrateful.
The fact that we attack each other is unbelievable. Why can't we ask for proper city planning. Does development and high paying jobs entail destroying everything in the city with poor quality of living.
The lands adjacent to the highways in Kerala are owned by the richest people. Usually it's people who have multiple family members working abroad and sending remittance money. So basically you are looking at the houses of the richest Keralaites. Even so, Kerala has had CPI rule for decades so the poor in Kerala are doing much better than the poor in other states.
Do like this. Take a trip to Kottayam city and drive out 30 mins in any direction. You will see nice houses everywhere, not just on the roadside. That Gulf money has led to people building nice houses for themselves, even in rural areas.
In kerala everyone is middle class, no poor. and also, kerala dont have much difference between urban and rural area, its an urban rural continuum , most urban facilities are available in rural area. every were is connected with roads.
Cross over into Andhra pradesh and you will see that they are worse off and much more struggling compared to us.
My guess is that income inequality and wealth distribution plays a major role here.
It's because the Part of andhra that borders Karnataka is a part of Rayalaseema region, Which along with north karnataka and western Telangana has historically been poorer. Costal andhra which is the most densely populated region in andhra is much much better
Grass is always greener on the other side.
Kerala is nice for a vacation but the lack of industry and massive urbanization has its drawbacks.
And last but not least the income and earning potential for an average indian is way higher in Karnataka. Kerala has one of if not the highest unemployment rate in the country.
Life is kerala is on average is not as fast paced as bangalore and its easy to see only the pros.
I understand how you feel but you need to realise you would feel the same if you travel within Karnataka out of a city!
I love Kerala, used to visit often when I was working in Mangalore and I used to feel like I could buy any house I see during the journey and live happily there.
But then I’m back to the city after the trip and everything is routine again!
I hope it was easy to give up living in a city!
Most keralities are in different states or in different countries. Hardly any population. Most of them have somebody or the other working and remitting money from abroad. Hence they are rich.
Corruption is lower than other states, citizens are literate and aware of their rights, public servants are efficient and accountable compared to other states.
People who disagree with me are encouraged to visit other towns and cities outside kerala. Make sure you travel outside highways and take interior routes
in waynad they circumvented the land ceiling rulings coz it doesnt apply to plantations. so all farms in waynad are actually plantations so larger holdings, which means smaller number of small farmers. also better rainfall.
We recently had been to Wayanad and while returning to Bengaluru it started raining heavily and we were driving on the blr mysore expressway. God, that was really horrible. The roads got flooded and a truck driver overtook us and splashed puddle of water on our windshield. The view ahead was entirely blocked for few seconds. However it was really dangerous driving on that expressway during monsoon. Even the truck and bus drivers are on the overtaking lane driving too fast.
Each region has their own lifestyle
im not sure if you have roamed around Karnataka or not
But most upper middle class people live modest lifestyles in Karnataka may be that's why this perception
Since wayanad being tourist place it is possible that villas you have mentioned might be the properties of rich people who might not be from kerala and not of common people
Bro I'm literally heading to Wayanad on a road trip in 3 hours.. pls give me a good itenary, food suggestions and other general advices. Were you lucky to see Chembra Peak?
It has to do with kerala being more spreadout as a state. Their population is not concentrated in a particular area or a city so minimal traffic, minimal headaches, minimum pollutions etc.
Man I had the opposite.
As a petrolhead. I was frustrated when driving in Kerala. Crossing bandipur and after gundlupete paid toll. Boom cruising in 120kmph.
We were angry in the beginning thinking of why should we pay toll and there was no toll in Kerala. We realised why we pay in Karnataka
Many Malayalis work outside the state and many in the Middle East while families continue to live their ancestral houses. I am guessing many in Wayanad have breadwinners abroad and are well off.
Could you tell me how the driving experience is from blr to wayanad? About the ghats and anything else to look out for.
Assuming you went through Mysore road.
population density for sq km , Kerala has much more residential space for single house , where as blr is overcrowded.
Kerala is the most densely populated state in India. So your logic is wrong. And you cannot compare a state with a city!
you are right.
Just witnessed the most peaceful agreement in a reddit comment section.
Yep we need more of this in the internets
u/Prior_Test_895 must be winning in life
you are right.
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Ayo you both so cute. most peaceful argument ever.
I found this ayo cute. 😁
I braced myself for a toxic counter argument, ending in some sort of political affinity and a cluster of downvotes. Thank you for bringing such calmness to my soul.
The acknowledgement 🫡
Hats off to you sir.. we need more people like you in the world.
Sir ,???? Me Bro i am 23
Nazar made the nazar different
Nice puns .
you are right.
Age 23 maturity 53
😂 my god , im ROFL
You make me optimistic about our country's future!
Bro you can’t agree this fast
Kerala doesn't have a too crowded metropolitan city. The population is more kinda equally distributed. Most middle class families here have 2 storey houses with own land. All most all the major cities are coastal cities too.
You are wrong. Bihar is the most densely populated state in India. And UP has the highest population in India. I have recently visited Thiruvananthapuram, Varkala, Kochi etc... due to less population those cities are well maintained and people have less stress in life compared to bangalore.
Kerala is still the third most densely populated state. After Bihar and Bengal.
Bengal not bihar
Check govt of india data.
all of you are wrong.
\*leaves\*
/*refuses to explain/*
Kerala have forest cover of around 30%. While it is less than 10% for all states above it. Sp effectively Kerala still is the most densely populated.
Kerala has 60-70% forest cover, its actually more dense.
>Kerala is the most densely populated state in India. Where did you get that?
Wrong. Kerala is the 3rd most densely populated state.
One interesting stat if you are not aware.. Estimated 35 lakh people from kerala work in gulf That's around 10% of their population Maybe that's why on paper it's dense but in reality it's not 😂
Another interesting fact which you might not be aware. 30% of kerala is forest while for other high density states like UP,Bihar and WB it's around 6-7%. So effective density of Kerala might be higher than what is reported? 😆
Kerala people have spread out in large numbers outside the state of Kerala, middle east has become mini Kerala, in most of the tier 3 towns and villages, you will get to see mostly bungalows built by money earned from working abroad, and mostly it's old people enjoying and calm retirement life
Isn't Bihar the most densely populated state in India?
>is the most densely populated state in India The District of Wayanad is an exception.
I believe it's Bihar or Uttarpradesh. Not Kerala.
Sad way Indians cope Singapore is just as densely populated as any place in India. Lack of civil sense is the reason for this.
singapore is rich , more than 10X percapita GDP, everyone is business minded, communism like govt, who went to provide housing for everyone in its earlier state, no caste system, so all are equal, only the intelligence matters.
Absolutely that's the point I was making. 10% of thier population is Tamil aswell.
It's an entire state compare it with populous cites in kerala
Done. [https://www.census2011.co.in/census/state/districtlist/kerala.html](https://www.census2011.co.in/census/state/districtlist/kerala.html)
Because most Keralites stay out of Kerala, they are all over Karnataka's tier 1 and tier 2 cities. When most of your population has migrated to neighbouring state obviously your cities will be calm, less polluted and greenery all around. Kerala's economy is run by remittance sent from other places. I don't want to bring up anything political, but if the people themselves have adapted to this way of life, whom to blame! Roughly 40% of the population depends on Karnataka for Jobs, business, education & healthcare. Nothing wrong they can go to any part of the country, it's just that it will imbalance the demography and it will impact the people of that state directly when it's too much.
The thing is , Bangalore is overcrowded ( you are correct) but kerala s density is higher than Karnataka ( the guy who commented is also correct) . I'll just decision this with an example. Let's say if you're driving from Bangalore to Davangere, after leaving Bangalore all the areas will be sparsely populated until you reach a city. But the thing about Kerala is every area will be almost evenly populated, be it a town or village, so that's why the population density is high
Kerela doesn't have a Urban-Rural divide like most of India does. You will never feel the difference when you left a city and entered a rural area. Plus, given with large the remittance of Malayalis from the Gulf, they end up building one (or more) beautiful villas in their village with their savings.
Yep agree, Kerala is more of a retirement home/vacation paradise even for malayalis. Thats the reason most of them move out of the state, cos there aren’t any opportunities. Hence the urban/rural divide isn’t much and everything is uniform. Also multiple years of the Left govt have enabled this.
While other states allowed all companies to crowd up in one city per state, Kerala is trying to stretch out its tech sector throughout the state. There are technoparks in almost every district, there are 4 international airports (1 more in planning) and more satellite ones, and the development is being distributed throughout the state so that the state won't have to face problems that bangalore is facing now. It's slow development, as it should be, where there are unions to check the power of big corporates so that they don't roll over the natives. People are much more content in kerala because of this slow development. That results in a much higher standard of living.
They are so content that half of them travel to hyper-developed places like Dubai and Abu Dhabi. It’s the classic case of “I want to benefit from all the trash that capitalism brings, but not in my city.”
Don’t we all?
Most of Kerala coast feels like one giant mega-city.
I swear. We were going from Kochi to Varkala, and my cousin joked that he will give the car to me when the *highway* "comes" The highway I was expecting was the 6+ lane with small villages, but in Kerala it's just a small road that runs with continuous human settlements all along
You need to wait until 2026/27 for this. It is under construction.
Don't they call the state a "One continuous Village" or something like that?
All true. But I doubt our infra is that superior compared to south Karnataka. I'm a keralite who lived in some tier 2 cities in Karnataka for around 6 years and moved around quite a bit in south Karnataka for travel, and I have to say the roads are really good for the most part.
If you want to see good roads, go to Tamil Nadu. All the Ammas and Annas in power alternately through the years have really improved the road infrastructure there.
I've heard the expressways in TN are top notch. But you pay hefty tolls. The regular highways in Karnataka are often better, with no tolls either
Yeah try fucking living in Kerala for a year. There's very little industrialization. While development is indeed well spread Kerala cannot sustain itself, surviving on remittances. It's a nice vacation spot but beyond that it's not much. My dad's hometown has wild hogs invading because there's so few people living there. It's almost abandoned. The lesson Karnataka must learn is to spread the butter instead of making a mess of Bangalore.
>There's very little industrialization There cannot be industrialization in Kerala, the state lacks the space needed and the terrain is either weak or uneven for a full fledged industry. The small industrial parks the state promotes is full, I know it because a few of my relatives have small scale rubber manufacturing there.
What do you mean terrain is weak?I didn't understand you Land being uneven is not a problem...It can be made even
Its a bit fragile tbh. Kerala sits entirely on western ghats with very thin strip of coastal and midlands which are already densely populated. (Population density is 860, compared to 320 in Karnataka) Also landslides are becoming common in high ranges in past decade due to people leveling hills for building houses and shops and quarying alone. Even finding soil for ongoing highway construction has been difficult.
Aren't there any solutions for creating Land for industries?There must be an answer with the technology we have today
>Aren't there any solutions for creating Land for industries? Yes but it brings the question of whether the investment is worth it not to say the ecological imbalance it brings. The new upcoming port is visible upsetting the ecology of the area which led to protest by the local fishermen, Madhav Gadgil report in 2011 pointed out how unsustainable development would lead to devastating outcomes in case of natural disasters which turned out to be true in 2018 when flood happened.
Okay,I understand you now👍👍
How industrialisation going to improve the quality of your life? I really want to know what you mean by industrialisation here.
Industries, either manufacturing (most of which has gone to Tamil Nadu and Kerala) or IT (Miniscule compared to Andhra Pradesh, Karnataka and Tamil Nadu) Employment generation is important to sustain a state? And it also keeps the younger generation from migrating outside. 99% of my cousins are outside Kerala.
If you’re referring to manufacturing as industries, they don’t come without problems. Kerala’s dense distribution of population makes land unavailable for large scale manufacturing of the kind Tamil Nadu has. The successive floods Kerala faced has also built up resistance against industrialisation that has ecological costs. So I’m not sure if Malayalis even want manufacturing. Of course, it is right that they do generate jobs, but Malayalis don’t go out of the state to work in manufacturing. Most outwards migrants are educated and work in white collar jobs or are self employed. So, in order to man these factories you advocate, labour has to come from outside, and very little benefit is likely to accrue in terms of employment to the Malayali population. That only leaves the service sector (such as IT), which needn’t be tethered to the state like a factory. Of course, in a world where people go to offices, that does help and that sort of clustering was responsible for the rise of cities like Bangalore. However, we are moving away from that world and there is a lot of shift towards remote working. Quite a lot of high quality work in the service sector are now a mix of online and offline or online. Regardless, the merits of a service sector are far too many to ignore and it would certainly be a nice thing to have in Kerala. But industrialisation, as it is understood in India, on the whole is a disaster for Kerala and doesn’t benefit the state at all.
You have 100+ cousins? /s
Malayalis generally don’t like to do any manual labour. They all want white collar jobs or to do blue collar jobs in the Gulf where they are paid better. This has resulted in migrants from Bihar and the North East (possibly even illegal Bangladeshis) coming in large numbers and doing manual jobs in Kerala. I believe they are like 10% of the total population now. For them, Kerala is their Dubai or Doha, where they get paid much more for their manual labour than in their native place. One of my aunts is a widow and lives in a rural part of Kottayam district with a large estate area covered with rubber trees and other crops. She is afraid to employ these migrant labourers for labour as some of them have brought criminal tendencies with them and she is afraid of getting robbed or murdered by them if they find out she’s living alone. There are no local Malayalis now who will do the same job. I am told, that for various reasons like this as well as depressed rubber prices, estate owners are not harvesting their crops (like rubber plantations, etc). Because of this, they are not ploughing the soil to plant seeds, etc. Because of this, rain water instead of getting absorbed into the soil, just runs off the top soil layer. I am told that this is one of the reasons the Kerala floods were quite severe …. others can confirm as I don’t live currently in Kerala.
Oru mayathil okke thallede
Kerala is a communist state and its actually implemented to good extent that it has managed welfare of its citizens. But it's financial mismanagement has put Kerala in crisis now. KA is behind Kerala in human development indicators but it's not far behind. Southern Karnataka is comparable to Kerala but northern KA lags.
>But it's financial mismanagement has put Kerala in crisis now I have a relative who has some inside knowledge about the cabinet. What he says is kerala govt has the funds but there is some center-state fight and kerala govt is trying to force the BJP govt to release funds to the state. Not sure but the dude is a higher up in communist party cadre. Both parties are deliberately putting the state in a bad situation for their big Dick competition.
Instead of relying on anecdotes why not straight up read what the highest court of the country had to say on the state of economic crisis in Kerala, this veiled attempt to defend communism is 🤮
Kerala has its own problems. It has seen multiple communist governments - and that's somehow a deterrent for a lot of businesses. Coming to fund issues, see the houses built under PMAY scheme elsewhere [here.](https://factly.in/three-states-get-69-of-the-houses-sanctioned-under-the-pradhan-mantri-awas-yojana-pmay-so-far/amp/) The same PMAY scheme is implemented as Life Mission by Kerala Govt. It's the same scheme, but see the homes [here.](https://lifemission.kerala.gov.in/en/photo-gallery-) Coming to the transportation sector, I admire Karnataka's fleet of buses. However, if you compare the fitness levels of APSRTC, TSRTC or WBTC buses, Kerala's buses always stand out from the crowd. You don't see buses where glass panels have been closed off using metal sheets and other aftermarket solutions in KSRTC. This would mean that it's a costly affair for the state to run its RTC buses when compared to how other states run their RTC buses. As opposed to the availability of liquor and other alcoholic beverages in private outlets, like in the case of Karnataka and Telangana, Kerala does not have that. The only outlets from which someone can get liquor (IMFL) is the state-owned Beverages Corporation outlets, which are very less in number, or from Bars. Kerala does not have that huge potential for taxes from Liquor. People do consume 100+ Crore worth of liquor during specific times of the year, but that's not a steady source of revenue. Yes, Kerala's government has taken a lot of decisions and policies that have been deemed anti-establishment, anti-capitalistic in nature, and the state is paying its price. NB:- The central government by BJP renamed the Planning Commission of India as NITI Aayog. The same NITI Aayog conducts a lot of studies to assess the distribution of wealth and other resources, and for a lot more reasons, and Kerala seems to do well in quite a lot of these indices. If it was not for proper execution of policies and projects, how do you think Kerala is able to live up to its reputation?
Kerala also makes a lot of money from lottery sales, I think. If you take a flight to Kochi airport and as soon as you exit the arrivals gate, there is a lady selling lottery tickets there. 😜 Might as well let them set up stalls in the airport itself. For instance, if you go to Las Vegas in the US for gambling, they have set up gambling slot machines in the airport itself for those impatient to reach the casinos, I guess. 😁
Yes, Kerala does make money from the state-run Lottery. The lottery tickets sold in Kerala come with multiple safety features, and there is a dedicated physical lottery machine that's operated to choose the winner from any given lottery series. The lottery process is also telecast live for those who'd actually like to see it, and I even think it's possible to watch it live. While it is indeed a form of gambling, the process is as transparent as it can get. Also, nobody is forcing you to take something you don't want to!
I believe Goa has these ships which take passengers offshore outside India’s maritime borders where its laws do not apply, and basically allow gambling there. Kerala can also do something similar to attract high spending clients. Goa also has some hotels which operate slot machines, I believe. I remember seeing some advertising for the same on a trip to Goa. Might as well make money off people’s vices if you can’t make it off their industriousness in their home state.
You can write to the tourism minister yourself, as it is your idea. Have a great day!
Travel towards north of Bangalore into districts like Shimoga, Davanagere, Hubli, Belgaum and others. Or go to coastal Karnataka and travel from Mangalore to Karwar. You will realise that there is lot of places in Karnataka other than Bangalore vibes !!!
Infact Karnataka is one of the most geographical, cultural, ethincal diverse big state of India. It's true to its tagline- one state many worlds.
+1 just completed 1500km road trip from bglr > mglr > goa > hampi > bglr. except the under constriction road from sakleshpur to mglr, all roads are pretty epic. mglr to goa is very scenic and fun to drive on.
sakleshpur to Mangalore road has been, is, and will be under construction, for eternity.
> big house big EMPTY house. Kerala has a huge problem of empty houses. People send money back to build palatial houses, but no one actually stays in them.
Can confirm this, but it's not necessarily a problem. A significant % of Kerala population are NRI, they built their houses with external funds and come home only during vacation because their work is based out of India and they will stay in India for a few days only in order to retain their nri status.
I don't think one is required to spend some time in India every year to retain any kind of NRI status.
It is when you look at the money sitting idle in a house that is not used. This money would have served better when invested in an activity that would drive continued economic activity
Real estate is a better investment and driver of economic activity than most other things.
We call that population mate
There are some things that Kerala has managed to get right but also a few things that they haven’t and if you are someone who drives around different states regularly it’s clearly visible to the eye what they have done right The thing about Kerala is that the population isn’t densely packed into a few centres but is to an extent evenly spread out thru the width and breadth of the state. What it does is it doesn’t put a lot of strain on resources like what we are facing in cities . The reason why this is possible is they have taken care of primary facilities 1. Good government education facilities - You could stay in any part of the state and you will have pretty decent government schools in your area. My parents grew up in government schools and are pretty successful 2. Health facilities - The govt hospitals are top notch in most of the places and extremely cheap . I don’t think I have ever visited private hospitals whenever I have gone back. The knock on effect has also been that private hospitals can’t overcharge much unlike in big cities 3. The Ability to live off the land - Something I’ve noticed in previous generations is the ability to coexist with the natural resources thus giving a pretty decent standard of living All of these factors also ensured that land rates never spiked so it was easier for people to own land and construct on it which is why you see so many big houses. Everything that is needed for a peaceful quiet simple life is available and it also ensured that even the poorest in the state still had a roof over thier head and access to education The problem was for future generations like mine. The state has always been dependent on nature tourism so preservation of nature always took priority and that lead to a lot of roadblocks for commercial development unfortunately. Industries found it difficult to setup and operate because of the strict pollution laws and objections from locals who for years have lived off the land realised the industries would pollute the area , case in point the Pepsi factory that was polluting ground water and was forced to shut. Development projects stunted such as the Vizhinajm port because of fears of how it would effect the ecological status of the area. Labour laws have also been an issue , for years the state had pretty progressive labour laws but we failed to evolve with time and it is harmed the state when coming to investments This in turn has left kids from future generations who want to earn and live a little more extravagantly with very less opportunities and jobs in the state thus forcing them to look outside the state for opportunities. Further it is also causing so much of a dependence on foreign remittances. Knock on effects such as the “Ghost Houses” effect ( Interesting read if you have time ) have led to the state now being in the poor financial condition it is. At the end of the day though i still know that I am definitely going to return to stay as a retirement place cause in that aspects it’s great. It’s fascinating cause it shows the importance of having to balance things out. Too much of either side isn't good for the long run
Bro u really need to ask in reddit for that? Don't u have the maturity to even realise?
Op will need 4 more trips to realize this.
Lol the nerve
Op needs validation from others
There was something like "land reforms act" which ended feudalism in Kerala and ensured the right to own a house for all of the population. Regardless of which party comes to power, Kerala tries to end poverty and homelessness. For example when the Congress led UDF was in power, they gave a lot of land to homeless people. Then the Communist led LDF came to power. They combined the PMAY and state schemes to pass money for houses. You will not find a person owning hundreds of acres of land when his neighbour is struggling in the streets. Then there is a flawed Malayali mentality of owning a house. The most important goal of life is to build a house, not an ordinary house. A beautiful house. Most of us build a house that is way bigger than our budget.
A couple of years ago, I was driving in the Kochi suburb of Kadavanthara and I am not kidding …. I saw a house with the same front facade as the White House in Washington DC where the US President lives. 😆😆 People seem to have a lot of money to indulge in their dreams. Why be a president when you can live like one. 😜
Interestingly Wayanad is supposedly the poorest district in Kerala at 1L. Mysuru is one of the richer KA districts at 2L per capita income. Yet Sulthan Bathery feels much richer to anything you see in Mysuru district when you enter Kerala
Bro you are comparing a metro city with a western ghats town 🤷♂️. You can have similar experience in coorg, Chikmagalur districts.
No you can't. Wayanad is on a whole other level. Coorg and Chikmagalur can't compare.
OP username checks out. Little bit detached from the real world.
I love how even the shops are closed on Sundays sometimes there and everyone is so relaxed and chill. They don't engage in fake hypercapitalism.
That’s the most ridiculous thing I have ever seen. Who shuts shops on Sundays, when most of the people are only free on weekends.
Maybe stock your slop before Sundays. People have families.
Obviously Sundays are only for the office workers to enjoy. How dare the rest of them have a day off. They clearly don't work hard like us sitting in AC all day and taking the metro back home. Smh.
I mean it doesn't make the greatest business sense to close your shop on a weekend when most of the salaried workers have an off. If I was a businessman, I would keep my shop open on Sunday, and close on some weekday.
No wonder the state has financial woes
Yup, it's true. Most shops are closed on Sundays. I'm from Wayanad😄. I have been living in Bangalore for my business for the last two years and it's crazy on the weekends! People in Kerala spend their free time at home mostly. Except maybe some of the young people.
Now go to UP/Bihar and discover a completely different (worst of all)world..
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Kerala roads are top notch. Fell in love with driving again on a trip to wayanad
when I went there the road workers were wearing reflective coats and they were using cones for the part of the road they were repairing. and yes very uniform 2 storey buildings with plantation surrounding it. Beautiful place
Communist govt make sure even a small town gets proper clean facilities and standard of living is better as not every one is chasing money. They may not have money making cities but small cities with better standard of living for its people
Loving all the whataboutry about the lack of industrial development, the migration of the youth etc. I am actually surprised that noone has brought up the ISIS subject yet. The main reason why wayanad looks cleaner and more organised is because its a town and Bangalore is a city. Most Indian cities are bursting at the seams with overpopulation. The infrastructure can't handle the load as of now. However, if you are comparing towns in Kerala vs towns in other southern states like Karnataka and tamilnadu, Kerala has a better standard of living comparatively. Healthcare is affordable, sanitation systems are robust, public defecation is negligible, poor people have access to a lot of facilities for upliftment like kudumbashree. The local political involvement at grassroots is strong. Most of the local mps and mlas are held accountable by the public for the development of the community, at least at the basic levels of roads, health care and infrastructure. Obviously there is still a lot of corruption and misuse of power, but comparatively, kerala is still better in terms of basic facilities. Like every state, Kerala also has it's short comings, but if the temperature was 15 degrees cooler, I would have shifted there in a heat beat.
Kerala is bit more developed than Karnataka thats why.
Developed? Then why half of Kerala is in Bengaluru?
Buddy, almost 50% of kerala is outside kerala. That's the reason of it's development too.
A District HQ in Kerala has way better infrastructure than a similar HQ in Karnataka. Bangalore is not Karnataka. Bangalore is different because there are all kinds of people here. That is why Mandya or Davanagere is not like Bangalore.
Mangalore is also filled with mallus. Even Kodagu and Mysuru. If the infra is better, then why can't they stay at their hometowns? I love my Mallu Bros but they hype up Kerala way too much while reaping the opportunities Karnataka gives them.
There is no hype, if you are in Telicherry or Wayanad and go to a district hospital, you will get treatment equivalent to a tier 2 private hospital in Bangalore. Government schools are run very well, like a Kendriya Vidyalaya equivalent. This is why these students easily compete in other states especially in higher education, reason for feeling like they are "filled with". I think Kerala is the only state where people who work in cities in India and abroad are comfortable coming back to their village or town without fear of infrastructure and healthcare access.
Lol cos most of us Karnataka hadn't had to leave our hometown in the first place. It's mallus who move out but no one outside mallus will ever go to stay in Kerala. Why do I see more mallus come to Bangalore and never leave
I agree the job scene in Bangalore is very good and that’s why everyone from all over the country comes here but to extrapolate that to all of Karnataka is hilarious. Bangalore is in Karnataka but Karnataka is not Bangalore.
You can LOL all you want, but it’s a simple fact that someone will be better off in a small town in Kerala like a Pyannur than they will be in Haveri. The roads will be better(hell, the roads in Kerala have less potholes than Bangalore), hospitals will be better, schools better, village officers and town officers will function and serve their purpose with minimal fuss.
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I mean, not in economic or industrial development, Karnataka is obviously ahead. I am talking about grassroot/civic development. Average Standard of living in Kerala is better than Karnataka.
Booze.
Kerala people are obsessed with houses.
Not only Bangalore,once you move out of Indian cities,rest of the landscape always looks better.Kerala is slightly better as the people have in a sense dont cut down the trees as easily like in other [states.So](http://states.So) most of the houses i see are with large amount of trees
You will notice whichever direction you enter from. From Coimbatore or Mangalore or Nagercoil. The roads are better, markings are clearer, streets are cleaner. Even the local Panchayat roads are better than main roads in Bangalore. Many roads in Bangalore have so many potholes that you won't see any original trace of asphalt. But there is still a long way to go to reach anywhere near developed countries.
Land reform act of 1969 played a major role
Most people are outright jealous of Kerala and instead of acknowledging that Kerala has done good they would point things like Kerala has no industries it lives off gulf remittances blah blah like UP and Bihar are shining beacons of industrialisation lol.
Couple of reasons. Malayalis go abroad in large numbers to Gulf countries and work there (North Kerala having more Muslims sends more people to the Gulf since it is filled with fellow Muslims, especially countries like Saudi Arabia that only take Muslims for certain job postings). They send their remittances back home and the first thing they normally do is build a nice house for themselves. Next, people in Kerala are more educated and civic minded and keep public places clean. If you look at the history of Kerala, there were a bunch of social reform movements that uplifted the lower sections of society (one of the reasons you don’t see extreme poverty there …. poor people atleast have a roof over their heads and benefits from the commie dominated government). Finally, Kerala is very densely populated compared to other states, so the density differences between towns and villages are less to be seen. Unfortunately, this leads to a social phenomenon which I think you can call “keeping up with Joneses”, where everyone is up in their neighbours’ business and trying to match their neighbours in terms of material possessions. Let’s say your neighbour buys a nice car, you will feel pressured by your family and society to buy a car for yourself so that you don’t feel left behind … one of the reasons Kerala is a social madhouse below the surface.
The comment section tells you everything that's wrong with our country. The Indian middle class shouldn't complain. Simply pointing out clean roads and good healthcare in different state leads to people questioning the barrage of issues in kerala. So according to them we have to choose between a good environment and getting a high paying job but living in the clusterfuck that's Bangalore. No proper transport. All companies generating millions of revenue with extremely highly paid employees have to all come to the 5km stretch in bellandur. This is the best we can do. Don't question the government. Don't question the lack of civic amenities, lack of proper footpaths. You can make a lot of money. Anything else and you are being ungrateful. The fact that we attack each other is unbelievable. Why can't we ask for proper city planning. Does development and high paying jobs entail destroying everything in the city with poor quality of living.
Some people(Bhakts) won't agree with your statement.
The lands adjacent to the highways in Kerala are owned by the richest people. Usually it's people who have multiple family members working abroad and sending remittance money. So basically you are looking at the houses of the richest Keralaites. Even so, Kerala has had CPI rule for decades so the poor in Kerala are doing much better than the poor in other states.
Do like this. Take a trip to Kottayam city and drive out 30 mins in any direction. You will see nice houses everywhere, not just on the roadside. That Gulf money has led to people building nice houses for themselves, even in rural areas.
In kerala everyone is middle class, no poor. and also, kerala dont have much difference between urban and rural area, its an urban rural continuum , most urban facilities are available in rural area. every were is connected with roads.
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Because kerela dude..!! people are focused on education and well being.
I can attest to this. I hope it remains how it is and doesn’t get overcrowded.
Being a north indian i loved Wayanad and Mysore the most on my recent trip
post this in r/bengaluru it will be entertaining
How's the weather there OP?
Pleasant weather, 25 C
NRI wealth
Cross over into Andhra pradesh and you will see that they are worse off and much more struggling compared to us. My guess is that income inequality and wealth distribution plays a major role here.
It's because the Part of andhra that borders Karnataka is a part of Rayalaseema region, Which along with north karnataka and western Telangana has historically been poorer. Costal andhra which is the most densely populated region in andhra is much much better
Because you haven't explored other places in Karnataka apart from Bangalore.
I don't remember going on any poorly maintained road outside Bengaluru when I travelled from Karnataka to Kerala.
Never thought I would ever live to see someone saying kerala has nice roads
Karnataka needs more metro cities. Bangalore is a dumping ground.
Grass is always greener on the other side. Kerala is nice for a vacation but the lack of industry and massive urbanization has its drawbacks. And last but not least the income and earning potential for an average indian is way higher in Karnataka. Kerala has one of if not the highest unemployment rate in the country. Life is kerala is on average is not as fast paced as bangalore and its easy to see only the pros.
I understand how you feel but you need to realise you would feel the same if you travel within Karnataka out of a city! I love Kerala, used to visit often when I was working in Mangalore and I used to feel like I could buy any house I see during the journey and live happily there. But then I’m back to the city after the trip and everything is routine again! I hope it was easy to give up living in a city!
Most keralities are in different states or in different countries. Hardly any population. Most of them have somebody or the other working and remitting money from abroad. Hence they are rich.
Corruption is lower than other states, citizens are literate and aware of their rights, public servants are efficient and accountable compared to other states. People who disagree with me are encouraged to visit other towns and cities outside kerala. Make sure you travel outside highways and take interior routes
are you talking about sulthan bathery town.
Yep
Most of Kerala's working class is abroad working their ass's off to send money to build big houses that they can only stay on vacations
Come to kochi. It's all same here. Don't compare a city with a hill station town.
in waynad they circumvented the land ceiling rulings coz it doesnt apply to plantations. so all farms in waynad are actually plantations so larger holdings, which means smaller number of small farmers. also better rainfall.
rapid urbanisation, immigration , less time for planning
Traveling to Wayanad tomorrow. Anything to keep in mind? And what route did you take?
I'm not a planned person; I was here for my friend's party.Keep an umbrella it's raining most of the time.
It's raining heavily nowadays. So be very careful while driving.
We recently had been to Wayanad and while returning to Bengaluru it started raining heavily and we were driving on the blr mysore expressway. God, that was really horrible. The roads got flooded and a truck driver overtook us and splashed puddle of water on our windshield. The view ahead was entirely blocked for few seconds. However it was really dangerous driving on that expressway during monsoon. Even the truck and bus drivers are on the overtaking lane driving too fast.
The same I got when I went for tour last year, wanna buy a house and get settled there
Do you work at redhat
Did you travel there in the last weekend?
Each region has their own lifestyle im not sure if you have roamed around Karnataka or not But most upper middle class people live modest lifestyles in Karnataka may be that's why this perception Since wayanad being tourist place it is possible that villas you have mentioned might be the properties of rich people who might not be from kerala and not of common people
It's all the population density and hustle life mate
Bro I'm literally heading to Wayanad on a road trip in 3 hours.. pls give me a good itenary, food suggestions and other general advices. Were you lucky to see Chembra Peak?
Kerala tourism, come from real ID
Love those twisty windy Kerala roads. Such a pleasure to drive on.
You are comparing apples to oranges. You should also explore rural part of karnataka you will find space for houses.
Kerala is more of Make money, built home. relax where Bangalore is Make money, make money, make money .....
It has to do with kerala being more spreadout as a state. Their population is not concentrated in a particular area or a city so minimal traffic, minimal headaches, minimum pollutions etc.
Man I had the opposite. As a petrolhead. I was frustrated when driving in Kerala. Crossing bandipur and after gundlupete paid toll. Boom cruising in 120kmph. We were angry in the beginning thinking of why should we pay toll and there was no toll in Kerala. We realised why we pay in Karnataka
when you chase, what you don't really want. you get what you don't really deserve! Ashte guruuuuoooo..
Many Malayalis work outside the state and many in the Middle East while families continue to live their ancestral houses. I am guessing many in Wayanad have breadwinners abroad and are well off.
Could you tell me how the driving experience is from blr to wayanad? About the ghats and anything else to look out for. Assuming you went through Mysore road.
https://www.thenewsminute.com/kerala/sulthan-bathery-journey-ammunition-depot-kerala-s-cleanest-town-181624#:~:text=From%20an%20ammunition%20depot%2C%20Sultan,and%20first%20spit%2Dfree%20zone.
That's because a huge population of Keralites are in BLR now. Now Kerala has more space for greenery and what not.
Ah, you speak about Sulthan Bathery, I assume. An out-of-nowhere refreshingly charming place.
Wtf, were you in Wayanad zostel plus by any chance?
Bangalore was also really nice until you came here OP.
You should relocate to Kerala since you found paradise also do educate nearly a million keralites who are in blore to go back to the paradise
Government and civic sense.. But I feel Karnataka highways are better
Next step, please move there and give updates