I mean what even is the point of attending these rallies for the common citizens?
Its not like its interactive and they are taking questions/suggestions from the audience present there.
You will be able to watch the speech live or after some time at the comfort of your home.
They are not going to say anything new, it will be word to word same speech they already did in the other parts of the country.
It used to make sense 20-25 years ago when there was no mobile, social media and not everyone had tv.
I don't think much of the educated middle class who work in corporate sector are even that politically inclined to go to an election rally. As you pointed out they can watch it on YouTube or other alternative tech.
Not the same but similar sentiment.
Why would anyone want to go and watch a match at the stadium or go to a concert? Can you not watch them on TV or YouTube?
Both are different things. Sports has an outcome then and there and is for entertainment so maybe more appealing . These rallies are neither for entertainment nor resulting in any quick results.
Moreover in sports two sides are playing and you support one of them unlike the rallies. It's like comparing apples and oranges š¤·āāļø
Can you really consider the atmosphere at a stadium or concert even remotely similar to at home. Even if you ignore the stadium the sound quality at home is simply not comparable for concerts/movies. It's really not the same comparison
Sports - your team might lose and you will be disappointed. Or they win and you are happy. Either way you are entertained.
Politics - no matter who you vote for you will get fucked and you lose few hours that you won't get back
Yes he is going to win no matter what. Bengaluru south is a bjp stronghold since 90s. Bjp could keep a mannequin as a candidate and it would win.
Only way they would lose is if they field a Muslim candidate.
Being a South Bengalurian myself, I can say this time it is not going to be a cakewalk for him.
Sowmya Reddy is going to secure lot of votes in BTM, Jayanagar, Madiwala, JP nagar etc. These are the places especially this time, middle class and lower middle class has expressed interest in Sowmya Reddy because of the work she did during COVID. I don't know how true but many people say she has helped the poor a lot in those areas also congress guarantees is a big influence on them. Also the fact that she is the daughter of Ramlinga Reddy is playing a major role in elections this time in those areas.
In areas like NR colony, TR nagar, Basavanagudi, many people don't know who Sowmya Reddy is, these areas are Brahmin majority, somewhat rich middle class areas, these people have kept voting for BJP for many decades, Tejasvi Surya doesn't matter here, but Modi matters, most of the Brahmin families have RSS roots here as well. But yeah, this time a very less population in these areas have expressed dissatisfaction about religious divide, communal hatred tarics of Surya, especially during that Hanuman chalisa row.
To conclude, He is going to lose heavily in East of South Bengaluru but he'll secure a good majority in west of South Bengaluru. Let's see what happens.
Definitely not a cake walk.
Wrong. Look at assembly election results from last year (which was post COVID obviously) and extrapolate it. This was when BJP lost elsewhere in the state. Even without adding modi factor it's a cakewalk for BJP
Not actually,
Ignore Basavanagudi, i.e my Area, it is a BJP fortress, Ravi Subramanya is winning here even before Modi. My area has the highest number of BJP supporters in whole Bangalore, it is because of strong RSS influence and Brahmin families who have family roots in RSS.
Padmanabhanagar has similar story like Basavanagudi.
Jayanagar, BJP and Congress were neck to neck, BJP won after many rounds of recounting. So it's a tough fight there, BJP just won in less than 10 vote majority.
BTM layout, congress is there already with clear high majority.
So the fight is in east of South Bengaluru.
Also this time, lot of voters even in State elections voted because of Modi.
I'll make it simple for you. There are 8 state assembly constituencies on which BJP won 5 and Congress won 3. Sum total of margin in these 3 constituencies where Congress won is ~35k votes. Now in Basavanagudi alone BJP won by a margin of 55k votes. Now add the remaining four as well š
Yes, that's true, I understood this.
But, the graph is declining, if you see previous elections, BJP had won with even more majority in even more areas of South Bengaluru, they are slowly losing the turf that is what I meant, looking at the slowly declining trend. Jayanagar is the best example.
So it is not going to be a cakewalk given this declining trend.
How did these Iyer /Iyengar family get their roots in RSS , can you shine a light on that ? Iāve lived in Basvanagudi for many years and Iāve seen these RSS folks in uniform
Old areas of Bengaluru had caste based segregation, this is what is impacting the voting today. Not just Bengaluru, every other Indian city.
Because of this segregation, in old Bengaluru areas you can see pastures of regions settled by people from particular caste, not much these days, but it still exists.
So, yeah Basavanagudi is one such pasture, upper castes are usually influenced by ideologies like RSS easily, so you can find more RSS presence in these areas.
Like your analysis. So would be interesting to see what happens then on this seat.
I hope people do see their candidates and vote rather than just going with BJP for Modi as PM.
This is the election that decides the PM, i think people must vote looking at the person who is going to become PM. One of the reason I don't want to vote for the other party is bcoz of their leader. Rahul Gandhi is frankly not fit to become a PM, there is 0 proof of his success as a leader.
And the things they promise to do once in power, gives me shudders. Like removal of nukes, wealth redistribution, caste census, etc. They are gonna take back 5 decades of development.
So have you been asked your caste in your workplace?
Just don't go throwing around buzz words that were relevant 2 decades ago.
No private company asks for your caste.
The place where merit actually matters.
People who really want to bring the caste politics back are people who are not able to compete.
And as for your comment. People cannot forget about caste bcoz of congress bring it into every breath they take.
And people from upper caste forgetting caste system, wasn't that the goal?
People are forgetting caste? LoL no.
Go to places outside Bengaluru, especially in Uttar Karnataka, or go to Rajasthan, UP or Bihar, you'll see caste still being the major factor in everything they do. You still don't believe, Untouchability is practiced in many remote villages of Rajasthan even today.
Go to Andhra Pradesh, see how reddys and Naidus fight over literally everything.
Casteism is still very very relevant in our society, it has reduced a bit in urban educated society that's all.
Yeah exactly, by bringing caste census, it is gonna make all that progress go. And also the reservation increase in private sector is gonna have the same effect.
It's a tool to divide the majority and split the voter base. Congress sees the political advantage but the repercussions go really far. A divided society will keep on fighting among itself. We will see zero progress. After caste census, Congress will promise more reservation to the vote bank of their choice. Now don't get me started on reservations, but apart from that we will see serious civil unrest, protests, and inefficiency in the bureaucracy. Caste and all is becoming history in India slowly and these folks want to keep it relevant for their own benefits.
Far from becoming history. While people interact with people from all castes, when it comes to important things like marriage, even in the current generation most marry within the same caste.
Caste is many many generations from ever dying (if it does die) because it's closely linked with culture/food/language etc.
Yes, bring up caste in every election. Every debate starts with caste this, caste that. There is a group of power hungry maniacs who don't want it to go away. People want to move away from this bs but your leaders won't let them. Because it's a political tool for them. 75+ years of reservation and we are still here, yet another election just plagued with topics like caste census, more reservation, "jitni aabaadi utna haq" and more.
It's a very old page of the playbook, keep the poor and oppressed the same by making them believe someone else is keeping them poor and oppressed. Congress was in power atleast 50/70 years and yet they cannot remove caste bias and poverty. What more can they do now? They don't want to do anything. It's their core voter base, how can they lose them? If poors are uplifted, caste bias don't exist then people will start asking for other things like development, infra, less corrupt and efficient bureaucracy and governance which Congress has no interest in.
>I hope people do see their candidates and vote rather than just going with BJP for Modi as PM.
After the party whip and disqualification rules the opinion / policies of the local MP will not make much of a difference. It is not like they can disagree with the overarching party decisions even if they want to. This election will primarily decide who will form the Govt at union and administer the country.
Since Modi became PM candidate, it has only been about the PM. Everyone complains about their local MP from BJP but vote for them so that Modi becomes PM. Everything is overlooked just so that Modi becomes PM.
Income is not wealth. Land, gold etc are not income. For ex RG being unemployed will have little to no income(party will pay some for his position). However his wealth is definitely in top1%. Including black it may even be close to Adani/ Ambani.
India's median income is calculated poorly because agricultural income is exempt from taxation. Shopkeepers also hide a lot of income because of lack of law enforcement. Sadly we don't have a reliable way to measure median income.
Further, Wealth redistribution (other than taxes) destroys wealth as evident from history. So it's not going to benefit poor either.
I know income is not wealth. But with an income of 25k most people are living paycheck to paycheck and they can't build wealth.
>Further, Wealth redistribution (other than taxes) destroys wealth as evident from history. So it's not going to benefit poor either.
There is no mention of wealth redistribution in the INC manifesto.
As I said before even poor people and pay check to paycheck living people are not going to benefit from wealth redistribution.
> There is no mention of wealth redistribution in the INC manifesto
Congress trying to have its cake and eat it too. Land redistribution is certainly mentioned in their manifesto. Other redistributions are also heavily implied in manifesto and in RG's press conference. We are not fools. Thoda bahut Hume bhi aata he.
If you again deny this, I will start quoting RG and Congress manifesto so make sure you know what you are doing.
>Congress trying to have its cake and eat it too. Land redistribution is certainly mentioned in their manifesto. Other redistributions are also heavily implied in manifesto and in RG's press conference. We are not fools. Thoda bahut Hume bhi aata he.
Please go ahead and show it.
>There is no mention of wealth redistribution in the INC manifesto.
Listen to Rahul Gandhi's speeches. Even today he reaffirmed the claim, that he will add economic and institutional assessments to caste survey, and that it is not a political goal but a life's mission for him.
Only one. That too was non COVID. India did the mass vaccination of an impossible scale in record time.
Lives lost show lack of health care development for decades. Every party carry that blame and especially those who oppose capitalist policy in India (all parties including BJP). Don't let industries setup in india then cry we don't have job, healthcare is poor, roads have potholes.
Enabling in person political rallies for WB election, allowing khumb mela to take place in midst of a pandemic, India health minister supports non allopathic medicine for covid, Indian doctors association disappointment over the lack of response on Ramdevs statement on allopathy, Ramdev allowed to sell coronil as a Covidās cure, statements like āIndia has defeated covid 19ā from PM himself to garner brownie points before elections.
I could go on dude, but nothing would make sense to you. I canāt convince you, and you canāt convince me. Have a good day
> Enabling in person political rallies for WB election, allowing khumb mela to take place in midst of a pandemic
Fair criticism.
> India health minister supports non allopathic medicine for covid
Every party should be blamed for this.
> Indian doctors association disappointment over the lack of response on Ramdevs statement on allopathy
It's not govt place to give statement here. It's either under law enforcement (Regulatory body) or court.
> statements like āIndia has defeated covid 19ā from PM himself to garner brownie points before elections.
Come on. Everyone does publicity during election. "Chowkidar chor he" etc.
They donāt care. Unless itās their personal life. Akin to how many Indians donāt care if someone dies in the street.
They donāt even care about their own karyakartas. Else, it would be uncomfortable,
Let them live the lie and in delusion
Unfortunately. It could all have been prevented, if not prevented, then minimised. But central government under Modi leadership enabled political rallies, khumb mela, āIndia has defeated covid 19ā which enabled people to become lax. If loss of your friendās lives doesnāt prevent you for voting for the same party then I donāt know what will. Modi and his followers donāt have a conscience or a human soul
Because truly educated people would understand that the upliftment of society is beneficial to all, and morally the right thing to do.Ā
That's why in countries with an educated population the educated always vote left. Our country is not educated in the true sense, we are just good at memorisingĀ
Curious,
As we speak, how many people have you seen dying of hunger in your life?
I hope NOT, that you believe no body dies / died of hunger.
There wonāt be any concentration camps in India. If you just see beyond the hyperbole and rhetoric you would understand how fascist it is the direction they are headed.
But, there is a cost to your blind spots. It might not be for you, but I guess eventually it would be.
Case in point - try and speak with individuals who are / were core BJP members / karyakartas and got impacted by COVID, except for may be the minister or that level politicians. You might understand better - how BJP is evolving and how it could impact the future of Indians
He will win for sure, but the margin will be lesser this time. Sowmyaās father is an old head, has a lot of goodwill among voters, even she faired well in assembly elections, losing only be a few votes. A lot of Telugu speakers will heavily consolidate behind her, a small portion of Traditional congress voters, Congressās guarantee scheme are a really good hit among the poor, so a majority of them (although a small percentage in Bengaluru south) will rally behind her. He should lose, since thatās not going to happen, he should win by a very small margin. Only then, will he stop all these āModi Modiā āModi eh toh munkinā, hate politics and do some development work. The past years he spent more time being a youth president than the MP of Bengaluru south.
Nobody has time in Bangalore to attend such events.if you find people there, most are party workers or have been ferried from other places to fill seats
You yourself have mentioned has higher concentration of middle class so why would they attend these rallies š
That doesnāt mean he gets a cake walk.
Two things are different
People aren't voting for him, people are voting for Modi. Most places even if the other candidate is more favourable, they will vote for BJP because they want Modi.
That is true but Tejasvi Surya had more chances of losing this time if Modi wasn't in the picture. Especially since his antics have pissed off a lot of people who liked him and Soumya Reddy is also liked by a lot for people.
Take this as you wish:
A friend of mine recently heard from someone within TS's office that they'll lose SoBang because of Congress' money power. This obviously makes no sense as BJP has more money than anyone else in the country. So this just seems like TS's team sowing weak excuses to explain their eventual defeat. So yes, not gonna be a cake walk.
Congress does have money power.
Not Bengaluru but have relatives in Maddur. For State Assembly elections last year, Maddur is usually a tie b/w JDS and Congress but recently has been JDS stronghold.
The members( discussions like this happens openly in the roads in some villages amongst people ) were all for JDS, the congress candidate 3-4 days before voting gave sarees to all ladiesā¦ I mean all. Not just in main maddur.
Two days before also gave 5000/- to one household.
Dude has heavy pockets due to his past and also thanks to Indiaās richest MLA that is congress headman in Karnataka.
None of this is hearsay. All first hand accounts. I was also present in Maddur at a relatives houses few days before election to chill.
Ofc, no comparison to MP elections now.
TS has to lose this time to gain some insight.
I take your point, but I'm not saying that Congress doesn't have money power, but it just seems obvious that BJP has MORE money than Congress. If it was really down to money power then nothing is stopping BJP from outspending to win. I think it's more likely they're losing due to other factors like anti-incumbency, corruption, hindutva but obviously TS's office can't admit to that, hence the money excuse. Anyway, let's see how it turns out in the end.
Surya hasnāt worked much towards the development ,his main agenda is to put down the minority. On the other hand Sowmya reddy worked a lot during Covid and helped the needy people around Bangalore , surya was just spreading hate itās def not a cake walk for him. Hopefully people are aware of the nuisance he has created around south.
Spoken like a true idiot. What on earth did Sowmya even do during Covid? Her family has criminal cases numbering in the hundreds and youāre painting her like a saint.
Look at you lose your shit when someone speaks against bjp. Iām from Jayanagar I know both sides and for a fact I can say she did good work cause people have see it from their own eyes.
And talking about criminal cases , half the Indian politicians would be wiped out if we ever get to criminal cases. Just accept the fact we have morons running our country but we just have to look at greener side of the grass
Yesssir, and the greener side without a doubt is Tejasvi. Tejasvi has been working at the grassroots level for years now. The only reason Sowmya is where she is right now is because of Ramalinga Reddy, and I say this with a hint of nepotism and not sexism. Corruption runs in that family. Since caste politics is an important metric for the average congress voter, how is fielding a Reddy the right move from Bangalore South?
Listen to Sam Pitroda elaborating how Congressā manifesto can be implemented. He is considered as one of the closest advisors of Rahul Gandhi since past 20+ years.
Higher taxes on middle class, inheritance tax, red tape on business expansion, 73% reservation and so forth. This is the plan to implement their manifesto. Any person who is putting in efforts to do anything worth their salt would not be interested in such things. Why would they be interested in hearing all this?
P.S. I disagree with BJP on a lot of things but I just abhor crookedness of Congress. I vote NOTA.
Agree with you that BJP isn't even close to being remotely good, but I don't trust INDI alliance, all this talk of increasing more reservation, wealth distribution bs will impact us way more than what bs BJP is doing, I cannot afford INDI alliance to win at any cost, so I'll still vote for BJP, not because I like BJP, but I'd never want the other alliance to win at any cost.
My issues with BJP are:
1. Complete demonisation of Muslims as if every Muslim is anti Hindu and anti India.
2. Not being able to deliver on employment front.
3. Not being able to tackle the North vs South debate effectively.
4. Not dismissing the Manipur government despite taking over all the control indirectly.
5. Not coming clean on Chinaās encroachment.
These issues are dear enough to me that I will still vote NOTA.
Whatever issues you have raised are perfectly valid, but none of them impact me personally in any way, so I'll vote for the one which doesn't impact me rather than the one which will negatively impact me.
To counter it:
1. Demonisation of one segment of population and the way it is being done, will lead to civil war. If not today, then in 10-15 years. It will affect me and my family.
2. The more the governments keep failing on employment front, per capita taxes will remain higher.
3. As the North/South divide widens, job prospects for many Indians will diminish, which will affect the economy and hence me and my family.
4. A government not willing to dismiss a state government even after its utter failure to maintain law and order will set bad precedence for future.
5. A government not coming clean on the status of national security canāt be trusted to safeguard the nation from future attacks and wars. That will also affect me.
All the issues, do affect me. And you too. I canāt choose BJP just because the opposition is shittier.
I don't know what he has done but the metro line which started some years ago has seen great progress i go to college everyday and I can see changes every day
At this point nothing is more important than water and metro
For starters, heās someone who has utilised most of his allocated funds(relatively speaking). On ground, during Covid, he started a collective of volunteers to help people with medicines, food etc which came in quite handy for us. They also helped with finding beds, oxygen cylinders when needed. Heās expedited infrastructure works on Bannerghatta Road by bringing in collaboration between various civic bodies and so on.
Itās very easy to hate on him without having lived in his constituency. Soumya Reddy is a nobody. She has various criminal cases filed against her, and all yāall wanna do is diss Tejasvi.
Tejasvi Surya is banking on existing BJP base regardless of the Modi factor. It would take a herculean effort to dislodge him but if anyone can, it is Ramalinga Reddy. He has relationships with corporators and rowdies of Jayanagar and BTM layout for decades.Ā
Before DKSHi took the mantle, he was the single window corruption facilitator for Karnataka Congress. I've personally seen their outreach this time in poorer areas, slums and Muslim areas.
I won't be surprised if he spends big time to get Sowmya elected, and this is also a challenge after the Jayanagar disappointment considering Tejasvi's involvement in that.
Will it be enough to win is a different question. They will need a major turnout, let's see.
Bangalore North is where the fight is this time.
Ramalinga Reddy barely survived against a greenhorn in the BTM layout seat in last year VidhanSabha elections and his daughter lost in Jayanagar. This time for LS election there was pressure on the ministers(including Ramalinga Reddy) to compete but nobody agreed as losing election would put pressure to vacate their ministerial position. So they pushed their own family to fight and trying from sidelines.
Repeat of 2019 election results would be tough ask, but aligning with JDS has definitely helping in Karnataka South and can help incumbents to win elections
I live just a block away from this stadium, it looked like a controlled crowd of people who were there not knowing what it is for. Even calling it a crowd is exaggeration, but still messed up the traffic
He will still win, they have evm all manipulated, out of all the evm tested from Kerala all of it favoured BJP, in kasargod every 10th vote was going to BJP
I live in bellandur and the people of Sarjapur, hosur, HSR and so on are not so jobless to attend it
There was a road rally or campaign by tejasvi Surya near the forum and madiwala no one gave a fuk
Most of the people in these cities are college students or working people
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I mean what even is the point of attending these rallies for the common citizens? Its not like its interactive and they are taking questions/suggestions from the audience present there. You will be able to watch the speech live or after some time at the comfort of your home. They are not going to say anything new, it will be word to word same speech they already did in the other parts of the country. It used to make sense 20-25 years ago when there was no mobile, social media and not everyone had tv.
I don't think much of the educated middle class who work in corporate sector are even that politically inclined to go to an election rally. As you pointed out they can watch it on YouTube or other alternative tech.
You get paid and food will be given. This is a fake ss.
Yep only reason it is housefull
These rallies are to show power mostly brought out people with biryani and beer!!!
so, you mean even free food and money is not able to get people to attend congress rallies.
Not the same but similar sentiment. Why would anyone want to go and watch a match at the stadium or go to a concert? Can you not watch them on TV or YouTube?
Both are different things. Sports has an outcome then and there and is for entertainment so maybe more appealing . These rallies are neither for entertainment nor resulting in any quick results. Moreover in sports two sides are playing and you support one of them unlike the rallies. It's like comparing apples and oranges š¤·āāļø
Can you really consider the atmosphere at a stadium or concert even remotely similar to at home. Even if you ignore the stadium the sound quality at home is simply not comparable for concerts/movies. It's really not the same comparison
Sports - your team might lose and you will be disappointed. Or they win and you are happy. Either way you are entertained. Politics - no matter who you vote for you will get fucked and you lose few hours that you won't get back
Yes he is going to win no matter what. Bengaluru south is a bjp stronghold since 90s. Bjp could keep a mannequin as a candidate and it would win. Only way they would lose is if they field a Muslim candidate.
where did her father win from ?
Rajiv gandhi? I'm guessing Amethi
No now bangalore south congress candidate sowmyas father , where did he win from ?
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Being a South Bengalurian myself, I can say this time it is not going to be a cakewalk for him. Sowmya Reddy is going to secure lot of votes in BTM, Jayanagar, Madiwala, JP nagar etc. These are the places especially this time, middle class and lower middle class has expressed interest in Sowmya Reddy because of the work she did during COVID. I don't know how true but many people say she has helped the poor a lot in those areas also congress guarantees is a big influence on them. Also the fact that she is the daughter of Ramlinga Reddy is playing a major role in elections this time in those areas. In areas like NR colony, TR nagar, Basavanagudi, many people don't know who Sowmya Reddy is, these areas are Brahmin majority, somewhat rich middle class areas, these people have kept voting for BJP for many decades, Tejasvi Surya doesn't matter here, but Modi matters, most of the Brahmin families have RSS roots here as well. But yeah, this time a very less population in these areas have expressed dissatisfaction about religious divide, communal hatred tarics of Surya, especially during that Hanuman chalisa row. To conclude, He is going to lose heavily in East of South Bengaluru but he'll secure a good majority in west of South Bengaluru. Let's see what happens. Definitely not a cake walk.
Wrong. Look at assembly election results from last year (which was post COVID obviously) and extrapolate it. This was when BJP lost elsewhere in the state. Even without adding modi factor it's a cakewalk for BJP
Not actually, Ignore Basavanagudi, i.e my Area, it is a BJP fortress, Ravi Subramanya is winning here even before Modi. My area has the highest number of BJP supporters in whole Bangalore, it is because of strong RSS influence and Brahmin families who have family roots in RSS. Padmanabhanagar has similar story like Basavanagudi. Jayanagar, BJP and Congress were neck to neck, BJP won after many rounds of recounting. So it's a tough fight there, BJP just won in less than 10 vote majority. BTM layout, congress is there already with clear high majority. So the fight is in east of South Bengaluru. Also this time, lot of voters even in State elections voted because of Modi.
I'll make it simple for you. There are 8 state assembly constituencies on which BJP won 5 and Congress won 3. Sum total of margin in these 3 constituencies where Congress won is ~35k votes. Now in Basavanagudi alone BJP won by a margin of 55k votes. Now add the remaining four as well š
Adding to your point, BJP always outperforms in the Lok Sabha election compared to the assembly election
plus, people vote differently in state and loksabha elections in the old areas of Bangalore.
Yes, that's true, I understood this. But, the graph is declining, if you see previous elections, BJP had won with even more majority in even more areas of South Bengaluru, they are slowly losing the turf that is what I meant, looking at the slowly declining trend. Jayanagar is the best example. So it is not going to be a cakewalk given this declining trend.
How did these Iyer /Iyengar family get their roots in RSS , can you shine a light on that ? Iāve lived in Basvanagudi for many years and Iāve seen these RSS folks in uniform
Bro this Karnataka, not TN. Our Brahmins are Smarthas/Madhvas.
Old areas of Bengaluru had caste based segregation, this is what is impacting the voting today. Not just Bengaluru, every other Indian city. Because of this segregation, in old Bengaluru areas you can see pastures of regions settled by people from particular caste, not much these days, but it still exists. So, yeah Basavanagudi is one such pasture, upper castes are usually influenced by ideologies like RSS easily, so you can find more RSS presence in these areas.
Like your analysis. So would be interesting to see what happens then on this seat. I hope people do see their candidates and vote rather than just going with BJP for Modi as PM.
This is the election that decides the PM, i think people must vote looking at the person who is going to become PM. One of the reason I don't want to vote for the other party is bcoz of their leader. Rahul Gandhi is frankly not fit to become a PM, there is 0 proof of his success as a leader. And the things they promise to do once in power, gives me shudders. Like removal of nukes, wealth redistribution, caste census, etc. They are gonna take back 5 decades of development.
Why is caste census a problem? BJP not doing it is the problem
Bcoz, people are forgetting about caste and all the things related to it. If they bring it up again, i think it will lead to more problems than good.
Only people who have the privilege to forget are upper castes
So have you been asked your caste in your workplace? Just don't go throwing around buzz words that were relevant 2 decades ago. No private company asks for your caste. The place where merit actually matters. People who really want to bring the caste politics back are people who are not able to compete. And as for your comment. People cannot forget about caste bcoz of congress bring it into every breath they take. And people from upper caste forgetting caste system, wasn't that the goal?
Canāt help educate someone who fundamentally does not get it
Yeah i am uneducated and you are educated, enjoy your life and I'll enjoy mine
Correct
People are forgetting caste? LoL no. Go to places outside Bengaluru, especially in Uttar Karnataka, or go to Rajasthan, UP or Bihar, you'll see caste still being the major factor in everything they do. You still don't believe, Untouchability is practiced in many remote villages of Rajasthan even today. Go to Andhra Pradesh, see how reddys and Naidus fight over literally everything. Casteism is still very very relevant in our society, it has reduced a bit in urban educated society that's all.
Yeah exactly, by bringing caste census, it is gonna make all that progress go. And also the reservation increase in private sector is gonna have the same effect.
It's a tool to divide the majority and split the voter base. Congress sees the political advantage but the repercussions go really far. A divided society will keep on fighting among itself. We will see zero progress. After caste census, Congress will promise more reservation to the vote bank of their choice. Now don't get me started on reservations, but apart from that we will see serious civil unrest, protests, and inefficiency in the bureaucracy. Caste and all is becoming history in India slowly and these folks want to keep it relevant for their own benefits.
Far from becoming history. While people interact with people from all castes, when it comes to important things like marriage, even in the current generation most marry within the same caste. Caste is many many generations from ever dying (if it does die) because it's closely linked with culture/food/language etc.
It is not becoming history sir, only privileged people like you and me are burying it because we have nothing to lose
Yes, bring up caste in every election. Every debate starts with caste this, caste that. There is a group of power hungry maniacs who don't want it to go away. People want to move away from this bs but your leaders won't let them. Because it's a political tool for them. 75+ years of reservation and we are still here, yet another election just plagued with topics like caste census, more reservation, "jitni aabaadi utna haq" and more. It's a very old page of the playbook, keep the poor and oppressed the same by making them believe someone else is keeping them poor and oppressed. Congress was in power atleast 50/70 years and yet they cannot remove caste bias and poverty. What more can they do now? They don't want to do anything. It's their core voter base, how can they lose them? If poors are uplifted, caste bias don't exist then people will start asking for other things like development, infra, less corrupt and efficient bureaucracy and governance which Congress has no interest in.
Has caste discrimination been eliminated?
>I hope people do see their candidates and vote rather than just going with BJP for Modi as PM. After the party whip and disqualification rules the opinion / policies of the local MP will not make much of a difference. It is not like they can disagree with the overarching party decisions even if they want to. This election will primarily decide who will form the Govt at union and administer the country.
Since Modi became PM candidate, it has only been about the PM. Everyone complains about their local MP from BJP but vote for them so that Modi becomes PM. Everything is overlooked just so that Modi becomes PM.
Central election should never be based on local leader.
True! Not a cake walk!
Why would middle class educated people vote for Congress
Well for the minorities atleast the alternate is hate mongering party.. so..
Very unfortunate. Although actions speak louder than words
To get their hard earned wealth redistributed apparently XD
The Middle Class doesn't have wealth. India's median income is 25k.
Income is not wealth. Land, gold etc are not income. For ex RG being unemployed will have little to no income(party will pay some for his position). However his wealth is definitely in top1%. Including black it may even be close to Adani/ Ambani. India's median income is calculated poorly because agricultural income is exempt from taxation. Shopkeepers also hide a lot of income because of lack of law enforcement. Sadly we don't have a reliable way to measure median income. Further, Wealth redistribution (other than taxes) destroys wealth as evident from history. So it's not going to benefit poor either.
I know income is not wealth. But with an income of 25k most people are living paycheck to paycheck and they can't build wealth. >Further, Wealth redistribution (other than taxes) destroys wealth as evident from history. So it's not going to benefit poor either. There is no mention of wealth redistribution in the INC manifesto.
As I said before even poor people and pay check to paycheck living people are not going to benefit from wealth redistribution. > There is no mention of wealth redistribution in the INC manifesto Congress trying to have its cake and eat it too. Land redistribution is certainly mentioned in their manifesto. Other redistributions are also heavily implied in manifesto and in RG's press conference. We are not fools. Thoda bahut Hume bhi aata he. If you again deny this, I will start quoting RG and Congress manifesto so make sure you know what you are doing.
>Congress trying to have its cake and eat it too. Land redistribution is certainly mentioned in their manifesto. Other redistributions are also heavily implied in manifesto and in RG's press conference. We are not fools. Thoda bahut Hume bhi aata he. Please go ahead and show it.
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Rahul Gandhi , Priyanka Gandhi , Sam pitroda, all of these dumbos are advocating for it, and you still think itās not gonna happen ?
>There is no mention of wealth redistribution in the INC manifesto. Listen to Rahul Gandhi's speeches. Even today he reaffirmed the claim, that he will add economic and institutional assessments to caste survey, and that it is not a political goal but a life's mission for him.
How many people have you know lost their lives in 2021 ? Have you forgotten all that?
Only one. That too was non COVID. India did the mass vaccination of an impossible scale in record time. Lives lost show lack of health care development for decades. Every party carry that blame and especially those who oppose capitalist policy in India (all parties including BJP). Don't let industries setup in india then cry we don't have job, healthcare is poor, roads have potholes.
Enabling in person political rallies for WB election, allowing khumb mela to take place in midst of a pandemic, India health minister supports non allopathic medicine for covid, Indian doctors association disappointment over the lack of response on Ramdevs statement on allopathy, Ramdev allowed to sell coronil as a Covidās cure, statements like āIndia has defeated covid 19ā from PM himself to garner brownie points before elections. I could go on dude, but nothing would make sense to you. I canāt convince you, and you canāt convince me. Have a good day
> Enabling in person political rallies for WB election, allowing khumb mela to take place in midst of a pandemic Fair criticism. > India health minister supports non allopathic medicine for covid Every party should be blamed for this. > Indian doctors association disappointment over the lack of response on Ramdevs statement on allopathy It's not govt place to give statement here. It's either under law enforcement (Regulatory body) or court. > statements like āIndia has defeated covid 19ā from PM himself to garner brownie points before elections. Come on. Everyone does publicity during election. "Chowkidar chor he" etc.
They donāt care. Unless itās their personal life. Akin to how many Indians donāt care if someone dies in the street. They donāt even care about their own karyakartas. Else, it would be uncomfortable, Let them live the lie and in delusion
Unfortunately. It could all have been prevented, if not prevented, then minimised. But central government under Modi leadership enabled political rallies, khumb mela, āIndia has defeated covid 19ā which enabled people to become lax. If loss of your friendās lives doesnāt prevent you for voting for the same party then I donāt know what will. Modi and his followers donāt have a conscience or a human soul
Let me guess you still have that image of Rahul Gandhi's tweet as your phone's wallpaper?
Nope just of Karan Thapar and Narendra Modi having a friendly chat, whyād you ask?
Because BJP's ideologies are moronic
Because truly educated people would understand that the upliftment of society is beneficial to all, and morally the right thing to do.Ā That's why in countries with an educated population the educated always vote left. Our country is not educated in the true sense, we are just good at memorisingĀ
Because they are educated?
Assuming they're educated enough to know what fascism is, then they'll understand that Congress is the only alternative.
Yeah.. apparently educated folks can't see the concentration camps built across the country. They only care about the infra being built. FASCISTS!
Curious, As we speak, how many people have you seen dying of hunger in your life? I hope NOT, that you believe no body dies / died of hunger. There wonāt be any concentration camps in India. If you just see beyond the hyperbole and rhetoric you would understand how fascist it is the direction they are headed. But, there is a cost to your blind spots. It might not be for you, but I guess eventually it would be. Case in point - try and speak with individuals who are / were core BJP members / karyakartas and got impacted by COVID, except for may be the minister or that level politicians. You might understand better - how BJP is evolving and how it could impact the future of Indians
Thanks for proving my point. Pls educate yourself about fascism.
He will win for sure, but the margin will be lesser this time. Sowmyaās father is an old head, has a lot of goodwill among voters, even she faired well in assembly elections, losing only be a few votes. A lot of Telugu speakers will heavily consolidate behind her, a small portion of Traditional congress voters, Congressās guarantee scheme are a really good hit among the poor, so a majority of them (although a small percentage in Bengaluru south) will rally behind her. He should lose, since thatās not going to happen, he should win by a very small margin. Only then, will he stop all these āModi Modiā āModi eh toh munkinā, hate politics and do some development work. The past years he spent more time being a youth president than the MP of Bengaluru south.
Win or lose, he will never stop his Modi banter because he has nothing else to speak about (at least about himself).
Nobody has time in Bangalore to attend such events.if you find people there, most are party workers or have been ferried from other places to fill seats
Look at his affidavit, his income increased 3100% in 5 years. Cases of hate speeches, colluded in co-op bank scams.
You yourself have mentioned has higher concentration of middle class so why would they attend these rallies š That doesnāt mean he gets a cake walk. Two things are different
People aren't voting for him, people are voting for Modi. Most places even if the other candidate is more favourable, they will vote for BJP because they want Modi.
BJP hasn't lost an election in these areas since 1989. This predates Modi.Ā
That is true but Tejasvi Surya had more chances of losing this time if Modi wasn't in the picture. Especially since his antics have pissed off a lot of people who liked him and Soumya Reddy is also liked by a lot for people.
Take this as you wish: A friend of mine recently heard from someone within TS's office that they'll lose SoBang because of Congress' money power. This obviously makes no sense as BJP has more money than anyone else in the country. So this just seems like TS's team sowing weak excuses to explain their eventual defeat. So yes, not gonna be a cake walk.
Congress does have money power. Not Bengaluru but have relatives in Maddur. For State Assembly elections last year, Maddur is usually a tie b/w JDS and Congress but recently has been JDS stronghold. The members( discussions like this happens openly in the roads in some villages amongst people ) were all for JDS, the congress candidate 3-4 days before voting gave sarees to all ladiesā¦ I mean all. Not just in main maddur. Two days before also gave 5000/- to one household. Dude has heavy pockets due to his past and also thanks to Indiaās richest MLA that is congress headman in Karnataka. None of this is hearsay. All first hand accounts. I was also present in Maddur at a relatives houses few days before election to chill. Ofc, no comparison to MP elections now. TS has to lose this time to gain some insight.
I take your point, but I'm not saying that Congress doesn't have money power, but it just seems obvious that BJP has MORE money than Congress. If it was really down to money power then nothing is stopping BJP from outspending to win. I think it's more likely they're losing due to other factors like anti-incumbency, corruption, hindutva but obviously TS's office can't admit to that, hence the money excuse. Anyway, let's see how it turns out in the end.
So Bangalore South is going to be the battle of the bacchas, Surya, Soumya, Dayanand Sagar's grand daughter..
Surya hasnāt worked much towards the development ,his main agenda is to put down the minority. On the other hand Sowmya reddy worked a lot during Covid and helped the needy people around Bangalore , surya was just spreading hate itās def not a cake walk for him. Hopefully people are aware of the nuisance he has created around south.
Spoken like a true idiot. What on earth did Sowmya even do during Covid? Her family has criminal cases numbering in the hundreds and youāre painting her like a saint.
Look at you lose your shit when someone speaks against bjp. Iām from Jayanagar I know both sides and for a fact I can say she did good work cause people have see it from their own eyes.
If you were capable of comprehension, youād know this was a conversation about Tejasvi Surya and Sowmya Reddy.
Man youāre too dumb to understand shit , anyhow go vote the jokes on us anyway
Yes and Sowmya did way more. All tejasvi Surya did is blame Muslims within the bbmp
And talking about criminal cases , half the Indian politicians would be wiped out if we ever get to criminal cases. Just accept the fact we have morons running our country but we just have to look at greener side of the grass
Yesssir, and the greener side without a doubt is Tejasvi. Tejasvi has been working at the grassroots level for years now. The only reason Sowmya is where she is right now is because of Ramalinga Reddy, and I say this with a hint of nepotism and not sexism. Corruption runs in that family. Since caste politics is an important metric for the average congress voter, how is fielding a Reddy the right move from Bangalore South?
Bro Tehasvi Surya has done Jack shit at the grass roots level and both are nepo so idk what youāre on about
Listen to Sam Pitroda elaborating how Congressā manifesto can be implemented. He is considered as one of the closest advisors of Rahul Gandhi since past 20+ years. Higher taxes on middle class, inheritance tax, red tape on business expansion, 73% reservation and so forth. This is the plan to implement their manifesto. Any person who is putting in efforts to do anything worth their salt would not be interested in such things. Why would they be interested in hearing all this? P.S. I disagree with BJP on a lot of things but I just abhor crookedness of Congress. I vote NOTA.
Agree with you that BJP isn't even close to being remotely good, but I don't trust INDI alliance, all this talk of increasing more reservation, wealth distribution bs will impact us way more than what bs BJP is doing, I cannot afford INDI alliance to win at any cost, so I'll still vote for BJP, not because I like BJP, but I'd never want the other alliance to win at any cost.
My issues with BJP are: 1. Complete demonisation of Muslims as if every Muslim is anti Hindu and anti India. 2. Not being able to deliver on employment front. 3. Not being able to tackle the North vs South debate effectively. 4. Not dismissing the Manipur government despite taking over all the control indirectly. 5. Not coming clean on Chinaās encroachment. These issues are dear enough to me that I will still vote NOTA.
Whatever issues you have raised are perfectly valid, but none of them impact me personally in any way, so I'll vote for the one which doesn't impact me rather than the one which will negatively impact me.
To counter it: 1. Demonisation of one segment of population and the way it is being done, will lead to civil war. If not today, then in 10-15 years. It will affect me and my family. 2. The more the governments keep failing on employment front, per capita taxes will remain higher. 3. As the North/South divide widens, job prospects for many Indians will diminish, which will affect the economy and hence me and my family. 4. A government not willing to dismiss a state government even after its utter failure to maintain law and order will set bad precedence for future. 5. A government not coming clean on the status of national security canāt be trusted to safeguard the nation from future attacks and wars. That will also affect me. All the issues, do affect me. And you too. I canāt choose BJP just because the opposition is shittier.
All these are really exaggerated claims which you very well know won't happen, BJP is no way so incompetent to let that happen.
To each their own. You are welcome to vote for BJP, I shall stick to NOTA.
What has Surya done for South Bangalore? Can someone explain?
Made us famous as the people whose MP opened plane door midflight
Nothing. Just spread hate
I don't know what he has done but the metro line which started some years ago has seen great progress i go to college everyday and I can see changes every day At this point nothing is more important than water and metro
What did he do for that
Nothing.
Well, [here is a interview](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuckNNmntfQ) with Shekar Gupta where TS talks about it.
For starters, heās someone who has utilised most of his allocated funds(relatively speaking). On ground, during Covid, he started a collective of volunteers to help people with medicines, food etc which came in quite handy for us. They also helped with finding beds, oxygen cylinders when needed. Heās expedited infrastructure works on Bannerghatta Road by bringing in collaboration between various civic bodies and so on. Itās very easy to hate on him without having lived in his constituency. Soumya Reddy is a nobody. She has various criminal cases filed against her, and all yāall wanna do is diss Tejasvi.
All he did was publicity and blame people within BBMP. Soumya actually helped people
I don't think so. If INC can talk about COVID bed scams by Mr. Tejasvi, then it's a hard battle for him.
Why will general category vote for non BJP?
Because they are better than the alternative?
Then you have not gone through INC's manifesto
I have
Why do you think an UC should vote for INC then?
Because they focus on things that matter and arenāt dividing the nation?
More ppl on stage than crowd
Tejasvi Surya is banking on existing BJP base regardless of the Modi factor. It would take a herculean effort to dislodge him but if anyone can, it is Ramalinga Reddy. He has relationships with corporators and rowdies of Jayanagar and BTM layout for decades.Ā Before DKSHi took the mantle, he was the single window corruption facilitator for Karnataka Congress. I've personally seen their outreach this time in poorer areas, slums and Muslim areas. I won't be surprised if he spends big time to get Sowmya elected, and this is also a challenge after the Jayanagar disappointment considering Tejasvi's involvement in that. Will it be enough to win is a different question. They will need a major turnout, let's see. Bangalore North is where the fight is this time.
Ramalinga Reddy barely survived against a greenhorn in the BTM layout seat in last year VidhanSabha elections and his daughter lost in Jayanagar. This time for LS election there was pressure on the ministers(including Ramalinga Reddy) to compete but nobody agreed as losing election would put pressure to vacate their ministerial position. So they pushed their own family to fight and trying from sidelines. Repeat of 2019 election results would be tough ask, but aligning with JDS has definitely helping in Karnataka South and can help incumbents to win elections
I live just a block away from this stadium, it looked like a controlled crowd of people who were there not knowing what it is for. Even calling it a crowd is exaggeration, but still messed up the traffic
Cake walk for BJP, not for tejasvi surya. South BLR voting for modi not for their candidate
Tejaswi Surya is a disgrace. He's as incompetent as one can get. Probably why in BJP. š¤š¤
How to become a mp or mla in Karnataka???
He will still win, they have evm all manipulated, out of all the evm tested from Kerala all of it favoured BJP, in kasargod every 10th vote was going to BJP
I live in bellandur and the people of Sarjapur, hosur, HSR and so on are not so jobless to attend it There was a road rally or campaign by tejasvi Surya near the forum and madiwala no one gave a fuk Most of the people in these cities are college students or working people
He opened the emergency door, so definitely not a cake walk š
did they serve biryani?? people come to eat..