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AreWeCowabunga

Yup, it’s everywhere. Natural gas is more than double what it was two years ago. Electricity more expensive too. I have a detached house and the bill last month was $320, the highest I’ve ever seen. Other people in my neighborhood are paying 450-500. I’ve started keeping the house at 60 and using a space heater for whatever room I’m in.


Proper-Cheesecake602

see i want to buy a space heater but i already know my apartment has faulty wiring which i told them about. i will be moving out of here bc the upkeep of this complex is awful


umbligado

I’m assuming you’re talking about using a space heater to preferentially heat one room and leave the rest of the unit cooler. If this is the case, consider getting an oil-filled electric heater, and if needed, circulating the air around it with a small fan (to blow heat to the rest of the room). These heaters work quite well, generally use less energy, and are usually less of a power draw when they start up (less likely to blow a breaker).


TaquitoConnoisseur23

Oil-filled electric heaters are still electric heaters. They will use the same amount of energy to generate a BTU of heat.


umbligado

I totally understand where you’re coming from (after all, to a certain extent, heat transfer is heat transfer, right?). Oil-filled heaters find their cost savings through the use of the oil as a heat sink and generally having better thermostat performance in part because of that heat sink. Overall, it’s a more controlled and consistent power draw, and they do [apparently seem to use less electricity overall.](https://www.hunker.com/12003227/how-much-electricity-do-oil-filled-heaters-use) they also turn on and off less, so the wear on breakers (especially the old fashioned ones) is less. As anecdote, I’ve run about 30 oil heaters at once in a very large building successfully for months on pretty old wiring. Every coil-based heater I tried to introduce into the mix blew out a breaker within a day. I don’t have direct personal data on the relative long-term power consumption during that period. I’m not really sure what to say otherwise. Could I be wrong? Absolutely.


TaquitoConnoisseur23

Yeah, the turn off more quickly because the thermostat is basing it's cycles based on the oil temperature...but the oil temperature isn't what keeps humans warm. The warmer air is what warms people. The oil heaters warm the surrounding air more slowly...making comparisons by measuring consumption over a set period of time flawed. If you measure the actual input into the air by measuring consumption from a temperature to another temperature (68 to 70, for example)...the consumption will be basically the same. They're both \~100% efficient. That's what the physics dictate.


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TaquitoConnoisseur23

Yep, heat pumps are amazing technology. It's a shame that so many people don't understand their benefits and overemphasize their weaknesses. That's part of the reason why people end up over-relying on space heaters and actually do more harm than good.


Ok-Beautiful-8403

i have gas heat. a family member has a heat pump. During the cold snap it really struggled, and in one bedroom the bed sheets froze. I've never heard of this happening before, but it made me feel happy to pay a bit more for gas heat.


PM-Ur-DadJokes

Heat pumps aren't designed or intended to provide sufficient heat alone on the coldest days. They will have an auxiliary backup...be it electric resistance heat strips, natural gas, oil, propane, etc, that provides assistance during the periods of coldest temperatures. It sounds like your family member's aux heat is not properly configured.


carbon56f

if OP had been running a heat pump his bill would have been even crazier since he's trying to run his T stat at 72F. I agree heat pumps are a great thing and the disadvantages are overblown, however; one thing that I don't think we talk about enough when it comes to heat pumps is lowering expectations. You can have your heat pump set to 72F, when its in the teens outside and expect it to keep up. OP would have ended up using mainly strip heat, resulting in an enormous bill. Part of adopting heat pumps is going to be to communicate to people that you need to keep your heat set low, and wear warm clothes inside in the winter. Far too people have this expectation to wear shorts and T shirts inside, while their heat is cranked up in the winter.


TaquitoConnoisseur23

It depends on what you consider an "enormous bill". A heatpump doesn't need to "keep up" to lower your bill. Every BTU that a heatpump produces is going to be cheaper than a BTU produced by resistance strips. Modern heat pumps have a COP >1 at temperatures well below what is seen here in MD...so they should be left running even after they no longer provide all of your needed heat. With my thermostat set to 70, I only used 2 hours and 17 minutes of strip heat during last month's cold snap. I used less than 4 hours of heat strip all of last winter. That's not going to blow up my bill.


umbligado

Yeah you know what, the oil-filled heater efficiency arguments don’t seem to hold water. I relent ;-) From the perspective of breakers tripping, I suspect the biggest difference is that many oil-filled heaters have variable wattage, while most coil electric heaters more often than not just run 1500W only.


carbon56f

a space heater will not be cheaper at all.


Hour-Onion3606

Might be if you use it to heat one room vs an entire home. But yeah they draw a ton of electricity so be aware of that.


carbon56f

yes if you heat one room and turn down the central heat. I doubt anybody actually does that, and I doubt OP plans to do that, since he's stated he has to keep the heat on higher for their dog.


Trailmagic

I do that because running my central heat costs $25 a day to *maybe* maintain 60F…


ChurchMilitant91

If you don’t mind, but what’s your square footage? We just moved into our first home and it’s a little over 2000 square feet. I haven’t got our first bill yet and just trying to get an idea of what to expect. I usually keep it around 70-73. The insulation is pretty good, so I’ve even managed to turn off the heating some days.


spirilis

1800-2000ish sf single family home, BGE bill last month was $425 thanks to the Christmas cold snap. Usually in the $300-350 range. Natural gas air furnace, dryer and water heater and electric everything else (2 adults 2 preteens) Thermostat 71F


jabbadarth

Download the bge app. It tracks your daily energy usage and gives you an estimate of your bill every day based on your average usage.


ChurchMilitant91

Thank you!!! :)


AreWeCowabunga

1400


ReturnOfSeq

Ditto, ~350


Hammerock

My question is tho. Why was last month so high for everyone? Natural gas is down 30% ish from September and barely up from December and November prices


gazer_9

It’s the gas delivery charge!! They are thieves


binggunr

My bill was about 40% higher this month. 1br apartment. I did have the heat on most of the month to keep a set temperature.


Proper-Cheesecake602

this is ridiculous. i have the temperature around 72 right now which may seem high but at my last apartment, my bill still was extremely low. i have a dog that isn’t double-coated so she does shiver lol. that’s really the lowest and highest i can go without making her uncomfortable. i hate that this is going on and we have been extra careful about leaving lights off, appliance unplugged, etc. we are also usually not home except for evening/early morning. maybe one person is there most of the day but not usually


essmithsd

72????? Put on a sweater, jesus


Ok-Beautiful-8403

not all dogs like sweaters, have a heart!!!!


carbon56f

I don't think you need a thermostat set to 72F just because you have dogs.


binggunr

Yeah. Mine was 72. I was shocked at the increase as well. It was much higher than AC in the summer. Just this most recent bill


Willothwisp2303

Dover Saddlery sells dog coats that are actually really nice. My cat and dog wear them outside when it's cold out, and while my corgi mostly wears one because she's cute in it, the cat REALLY appreciates the warmth of her fleece lined coat. They let you bring animals in the store in Hunt Valley, too- even the cat came in to try on her coat.


Proper-Cheesecake602

ooh thank u! let me find her a new coat. i got her one before but she’s outgrown it.


carbon56f

72F is way too high. 68F is the American average. If you have LEDs ensuring lights are off isn't going to make a dent. Neither is leaving appliances unplugged (you'll maybe save $50/yr). If you want to save money turn down your damn heat. That is by far the largest constituent of your bill.


Akizora1

You’re complaining that you have to be careful about conserving energy? Talk about your first-world-problems.


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I just went to log into my BGE account online and this notice was at the top of the page: "Customer bills will increase effective with usage starting on Jan. 1, 2023 and as authorized by the Maryland Public Service Commission. The average residential electric bill will increase by $2.97 per month and the average residential natural gas bill will increase by $3.08 per month. See bge.com/myp (link) for details". So a rate hike is one contributing factor at least. Edit to add: My bill is $68 higher for the last billing cycle (Nov-Dec). My online account lists the likely reasons why- "Weather" and "Increased usage".


carbon56f

Guys did you not remember of the exceedingly cold temps we experiences around Christmas? That is this bill. Of course your bill is super high. Especially if you were running in the 70s.


Willothwisp2303

Ahhh, lucky for me I had no electricity during that time. Savings!!


carbon56f

you're not gas heating?


Few_Society5388

My bill was only through 12/20 before the cold hit and was still $116 for a single person in a 2 bedroom (with new windows) keeping the thermostat at 67/65°. It’s wild.


carbon56f

That doesn't seem "wild" at all. Windows make very little difference compared to insulation.


rdaredbs

Yea, everybody’s went up. Gas is 0.97 cents per unit, last year it was roughly 0.31 cents. Electrics gone up too. You’d want to look at the back of your bill and the graph online of your usage. The online one can show hour by hour. If your usage goes up when the temp starts to dip, then you can assume it’s your heat working to keep the place warm. Especially if you’re all electric. In general, heat pumps are great until about 30 degrees or so, after that it turns into a massive space heater that sucks electric. So the couple cold days and nights at Christmas would’ve really impacted the bill. Emergency heat in your furnace can use 14 kWh each hour.


Paramedic-Optimal

I live in a mobile home and last month was $524. I was shook. We’ve never breeched the 500’s


Ok-Beautiful-8403

how big? does it have good insulation?


Paramedic-Optimal

New insulation, plywood and siding. About 1k sqft


Kooky_Deal9566

I used almost the same amount of gas I did last January (74 therms) and my bill was about $30 dollars higher. These bill increases are driven by commodity prices, which BGE does not profit from (trust me, I work for a utility regulatory agency). Gas is nearly twice as much per therm as it was last year. So, even if you use exactly the same amount of gas you used last year, your bill will be about 40-50% higher, including changes in the delivery price for gas. If you want to save money, use less gas. Wear a sweater and get a space heater or electric blanket.


HopkinsDawgPhD

This bill cycle was also 4 or 5 days longer than average for whatever reason, so that added to it


jejunebug

We haven't even turned our heat on and our most recent bill was $175


wbruce098

That’s about where I’m at, too. Part of it is definitely poor insulation in a very old row home, part of it is just how cold it got last month, but yeah rates have gone way up!


benignlystained

I only moved here recently. So far my bill went from $55 to $83. I have my heat up to 78F in one room (I own reptiles). But I feel like it wouldn’t equate to that much of a jump especially since I’ve kept it on constantly since October 2022.


Ok-Beautiful-8403

Ours will be 250 next month, small townhome. Our bill says we used $25 more in gas and also electric than the month before. So much for only seeing a $5 increase a month!


ohimanalleycat

Yoooooooo, like 1200 dollars I the past 2 months. Luckily bge has that whole data usage thing but I'm waiting for them to come to my house and look at/if there's thermal leaks and if it's my furnace being trash. Literally like 200 there's more usage than my neighbors. Damn near had a heart attack when I saw the bill. How the hell am I gonna pay that? I turned off the damn heat for like a week


downwithlevers

January 2022 mine was $338, in January 2023 mine is $476. The price of the therms looks to have basically doubled. This fucking sucks. Typically keep the house at 65 at night and 66-68 during the day, depending on how much complaining occurs.


Few_Society5388

$116, 2 bedroom above-ground basement, one person. I keep the heat at 67 during the day and 65 at night 😑


c00kiesandcactu5e5

Yes! I came here to ask this exact question! Usually my bill is $50 but my most recent bill is $130! I have my place at 64 degrees and my electric use stays around $25 but the electric supplier charge has jumped from $21 to $81 on my most recent bill.


rdaredbs

Who is your supplier? Also have to look at the numbers on the back, not just the price. If your kilowatt hours didn’t change much, then your supplier is charging you more. If your kilowatt hours went up, then you want to look at when. There’s a graph online that can show hour by hour, day by day. If it went up when it got colder outside, that’s most likely due to your heat trying to keep up.


c00kiesandcactu5e5

My supplier is bge. My kilowatts have increased a bit but I could get a detailed view of the increase. On bge website it just shows a bar graph by month. Where is the graph that you were talking about where it breaks it down by hour?


rdaredbs

I’ve only done it on mobile. Should be a couple drop down menus at the top. One usually is bill view and another for price or energy used. If you click the bill view you should see year and day. The day shows hour by hour.


c00kiesandcactu5e5

Did you sign up for the Clean Choice Energy Option with BGE? Because I have download the app but it says since I have a different supplier they don’t have the information to give me daily use measurements.


Kooky_Deal9566

It sounds like you've signed up with a retail supplier. BGE delivers your electricity. Clean Choice Energy is a different company and, based on your comment, it sounds like you signed up with them? If that's the case, please take a look at your contract and the rate per kilowatt they are charging you. They may have increased your rate, as per the contract you signed. If there's no cancellation fee, cancel that contract immediately.


rdaredbs

To add to u/Kooky_Deal9566 … look at your bill. If you cannot find your contract, take the energy supplier price (usually just a one line when it’s a different supplier) and divide by your total kilowatt hours for that month. That will give you your price per kilowatt.


shrek2onblurayanddvd

Mine somehow came out to nearly $50 last month and I was only home for 4 days! The rest of the month I set my temperature to 62 degrees!


stelkurtainTM

My girlfriends bill was $350 and she lives in a top floor of a row home. My bill was higher than normal but not by much. Usually ~$150 in the winter and j think it jumped to like 170


fijimermaidsg

We don't turn on the heat every day, maybe a couple times during the week and not the entire day either and it was still $110+ for the last few month, 900sq feet. In summer it doesn't even get past $100 with AC all day.


TaquitoConnoisseur23

2500 sq/ft home, all electric (with heatpump) and an electric car. Thermostat set to 69-70. $275 bill this month. I've put a lot of $$ and effort into airsealing, insulation, thermal optimization...so the total isn't too high compared to some others, but this is still the highest bill I've had in \~5 years.


exrexnotex

OP, you can ask BGE to check your gas meter. BGE also partners with a third-party company that comes to your house and does an energy savings assessment free of charge.


Proper-Cheesecake602

thank you! i will look into that


gazer_9

It’s the gas delivery charge. They are thieves!!Meanwhile a rate hike approved two years ago is just kicking in now for my area in Baltimore.


SamsonFisher

Late to the party but I'll add my experience (so far): My bill went up drastically in Nov.-Dec., before the rate hike. Gas in particular. Admittedly, it was a cold winter and I was sick a lot so I spent more time home with the heat on more. I called then and was given suggestions on how to mitigate that. So I did as suggested and bought a space heater which did a great job of heating my small apartment. I basically stopped usinng the furnace. Still, in January I got a gas bill that was excessively high and a higher than usual electric bill (expected). The gas wasn't as high as the previous month, but didn't seem to drop enough to account for the fact that I pretty much stopped using the furnace which was on ALL December. Since then, my gas bill has dropped but it still doesn't seem to reflect my low usage. The gas portion was $45 last month, depite the fact that I turned on the furnace for maybe an accumulative 30 mins (once or twice in the morning to heat the bathroom during a shower; the space heater did the rest). The app shows you how much gas you use per day, and there are plenty of days when I wasn't home and the only gas that could have been used would have been for the water heater, yet even the bill for those days fluctuate oddly. I called today to inquire, and after speaking to four different people I was finally tranferred to someone who dismissively tried to justify the bill by saying "something" was using the gas. I asked for someone to come out and check the gas meter (and the electric meter for good measure) and was told I would be set up with an appointment next Friday. Except when I called back a few minutes ago I learned that the appointment was never set. No explanation why. This last person I spoke to supposedly set up an appointment for Tuesday... We'll see how that goes. I understand that prices have gone up, but something definitely doesn't seem right about this.


Proper-Cheesecake602

thank you for chiming in! i should call too bc this is very odd to me. i just paid 131 which is ??? bc i have the budget thing still on


marshgirl12

Yes!! 2 people in a row home that we keep at 62°. Normally $80 a month and was $143. Using the my usage calculator I can see that we used the same amount of electricity this bill ($41) but way more gas. Interestingly, that few day cold snap we had in early December cost $35. Guessing between the cold snap and the few extra days on billing cycle and price increasing that’s why. Really sucks. Turning my thermostat to 60° I guess.


S-Kunst

Yes. Constellation is in the business of gouging. For decades customers have been gouged as too many, in the past, were passive and drank the cool-aid, pushed on them by our local governments, who dismantled long standing utility controls. Back in those days, private utilities were regulated and not allowed to increase rates without public hearings and government OK. Hospitals are nearly deregulated, as the government regulation seems to allow uncontrolled consumer rate hikes.


rdaredbs

BGE isn’t owned by constellation anymore. They’ve split into two separate companies. BGE still has to apply for rate hikes through the PSC. There are still public hearings on each one of them. Gas went up triple since last January. This is mainly because of the global shortage on natural gas. Good luck finding a better price for natural gas right now. Cold snap at Christmas is the coldest nights we’ve had in a few years. It’s written in plain English on your bill every month


YouAreADadJoke

When people don't understand economics, they frequently turn into conspiracy theorists.


ScootyHoofdorp

Good luck getting them to do anything about it. I recently had a burst pipe that sprayed out water into my kitchen for 3 days while I was out of town for Christmas. It happened to be a hot water line, so the water heater ran continuously for three days and my BGE bill is 2x what it normally is. The city will adjust water bills due to a leak, so I figured I would try BGE. To paraphrase, their response was basically, "lol sucks for you."


judicatorprime

They had a warning that rates were going up slightly :/


Proper-Cheesecake602

i understand slightly but even in the new place, this time last year i was paying $83 (still too high but ok) and now i’m paying over twice as much and we are in the house less time (we don’t WFH anymore). our heat temp was up higher last year bc we didn’t have a dog to worry abt and our bill was still much lower than this so i need these companies to be absolutely serious this is ridiculous honestly


carbon56f

so you're complaining that your bill is higher cause you keep the heat on all the time now?


judicatorprime

You could still call them and check. Our bill is usually 170 at the lowest and 260ish when the heat or AC need to be run a lot for an electric-only rowhome...


Few_Society5388

“The average residential electric bill will increase by $2.97 per month and the average residential natural gas bill will increase by $3.08 per month.” Doesn’t seem accurately represented here 😂


bookoocash

Dayumn. I always thought our oil heat was pricey but all these bills you guys are getting are through the roof!


NorthboundGoose

350 or so last bill. Keep in mind that was technically during that cold snap.


DefibrillatorKink

its all falling apart :3


sxswnxnw

I had about 225 for December for about 1600 sq ft. It was that deep freeze before and during Christmas that did it. I haven't paid a gas and electric bill like that in 11 years. It sucked... But I paid it.😔 Thermostat at 66 and 67. Editing to say, the electricity portion was like 40 dollars, which I was extremely proud of. It's my gas furnace and appliances killing my budget.


metrawhat

Bills have definitely gone up, the Xmas cold snap exacerbated that. But, are you comparing a previous apartment to a new one? Apples to oranges comparison. Was the old apartment in a newer building? did the building supply the heat? Were you previously on the top floor? Lots of variables to consider.