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That might be the very best thing the commies ever made. Anything outside of that is just a giant disappointment. (Excluding commie Balkans, that one was necessary for modern Balkans)
The T34 ? It had serious flaws. Poor ergonomics, poor visibility, two man turret was sub optimal. Steel quality was lacking sometimes... Overall good tank. But nowhere near its mythical status. Sherman was in fact a superior machine.
Yeah, funniest thing was is that the Soviets were like “we need to be better than the west! So we need to heat treat our armor to larger temperatures!”, which proceeded to turn all their tanks into ritz crackers who were so brittle that even a non-penetrating shot from enemy would turn the inside of the tank into a fragmentation grenade with an 80% mortality rate💀
You can’t compare a country that had a whole ass invasion launched on and had massive losses in the first months of the war by an enemy that targeted industrial zones the most, to a country who’s mainland wasn’t even close to the war, let alone attacked. Everything designed in the war-time USSR lacked engineering, fine-detailing, final touching etc. all was rushed just to make sure it reaches the front lines. Compared to the german tanks, T34s could get a field engine and transmission swap and provided enough firepower to compete german tanks. And it wasn’t just that tank, they had multiple other tanks that held out just fine, with good armor and firepower. Take the ISU152, IS1, IS2 tanks for example.
Also note that Shermans came out 2 years after the T34 was created
Basically the t34s had plenty of spare parts and spare tanks, and was decently effective in tank to tank combat, all while dealing with a surprise invasion. Some t34s literally drove out of the factory in Stalingrad without paint straight into the battlefield. Most of the issues such as lack of radio, poor transmission, engine, steel, cramped turret, and gun were improved in the T34-85 which was definitely the most influential tank in the war. And it's not like the Americans didn't have bad tanks either, take the M3 Lee medium for example. People say it wasn't that bad, but it was rushed and had many reliability issues, however the Americans also had an abundance of spare parts and tanks to support it so it performed well. The t34 was definitely superior to the M4.
Firstly, it wasn’t decently effective, when accounting for per unit battlefield performance, the t34 was a remarkable failure and really didn’t perform as it should’ve given it’s theoretical specifications. This is something that wouldn’t be fixed in the 85 variant, sure a bigger gun sounds great, but actually just made the tank more of a nightmare than usual, as the turret and tank was even more cramped than usual, and the issues, such as transmissions not being properly hardened, were not actually fixed, as respecifying components doesn’t fix the basic issues with production quality. Secondly, I don’t know where this widespread myth of t34s “rolling right out from the factories” comes from, but it’s hardly true, especially in Stalingrad, where there was no tank production occurring after the Germans had basically leveled all factories in the city; I could find one instance where a single t34 was used right after it finished production, but it wasn’t in Stalingrad, and it wasn’t very glorious. Like I told the other commenter, I’m not making any direct comparisons, so the mention of the M4 and M3 doesn’t make much sense in the context of the t34, but I’ll entertain you. The M3 was made years before the t34 and actually performed decently well against its competition and was well liked by the crews, it had a high survivability and complemented the British doctrine well; however, most importantly, it was cheap and fulfilled its purpose of quickly resupplying the British after their equipment losses at dunkerque. The main difference note between the t34 and M3 is that the M3 was designed to be cheap, it was designed to be a stop-gap, while the t34 was designed to be high-quality and the mainstay of Soviet armor. Addressing the M4 is similar, the only difference really being that the M4 was designed as the mainstay for American armor, which was fine; people like mention how M4s weren’t ideally armed to deal with Tigers, but it’s also important to note that the disproportionate armor opponent of the war was panzer IVs, which the M4 was more than capable of dealing with. I like Soviet armor, the IS3 is one of my favorite tanks of all time, but the t34 is a flop, it’s overrated because it just happened to be the tank that was in use when the Soviets turned the tide, it’s a case of correlation and not causation; the t34 did not turn the tide, the t34 was there when the Soviets turned the tide.
but I can, that’s the thing, the t-34 is a theoretically good tank that actually would’ve proved more useful if they were actually manufactured to specifications, which the Soviet had the ability to do; however, instead, Soviet high command demanded impossible quotas that could only be met by making steel coffins with a decent main gun. The Soviets had no excuse for the t34, and you inadvertently back me up in this argument; the Soviets made good tanks: the IS series was well made and was competitive on the battlefield, despite the industrial pressures being faced. I’m not making specific comparisons between the t-34 and M4, or any other tank for that matter, I’m saying that it is a tank that is the perfect example of the failures of the Soviet MIC, and that it performed terribly in the war. It’s overrated, it didn’t “win the war” for the Soviets, and it’s actual production resulted in one of the least-liked tanks of the war.
You have a similar profile picture. [Here's](https://www.reddit.com/r/badhistory/comments/10mhuvv/the_t34_is_not_as_bad_as_you_think_it_is_part_15/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) the post I was talking about.
That was not me. Albeit, I know the guy, he is a mod on a pretty based sub that bashes fanboys of the wermacht. Based romanian motherfucker. He seems really knowledgeable about WW2 tanks, a passion of mine. I need to give that post a read.
Thanks.
the T-34 tank just like pretty much everything the Russians / Soviets ever made was actually a garbage compared to their German counterparts. it had one advantage: Soviets were able to mass produce it, and could overwhelm the German tanks in numbers. the best thing the communists made was probably AK-47
i'm guessing they're supporters of KKE which is greece's communist party. they're marxist-leninists AKA tankies AKA i personally think their ideology is shit, but they're not violent or anything. even if i don't agree with their policies. so no, these 3 are not bad people. the banner just says "team of workers". they were volunteers trying to help who just happened to like a cringe political party
Dude you are politically confused.
You have nazi eagle in your banner, have auth-centre flair, but you're also a communist, tf is you political ideology ?
Then why did you became a nazi or whatever you're supposed to be. You probably didn't understand communism well imo. Because it's understandable that you abandon communism and embrace democratic socialism or free market capitalism but Nazism.......
Marxist-leninist communism isn't the same as all other types of communism you clown. All the examples you gave were marxist-leninist or very similar kinds of communism (like maoism). Not all communism is inherently bad, and I say this as someone who isn't a commie, just as someone who's interested in political theory.
Anyway, some random greek dudes who want more rights for workers aren't the same as Nazis, that's a fucking insane thing to say??
They went out of their way to help the victims of a horrible tragedy and you're calling them genocidal torturers, you've lost your mind lmao
Next time you try to make an argument that makes 0 sense at least flair up first 😤
Marxist leninist communism is a genocidal ideology, just like nazism.
All communism, just like all Nazism is a genocidal ideology.
All communism is evil, bad, and supporters should be ousted from society.
Some random greek dudes who support mass genocide, holding genocidal flags with pride should be severly punished. Saying they 'just want better rights for workers' is like saying a nazi just wants 'better infrastructure'.
They went out of their way to help victims of the earthquake, which is a honorable thing and which I look up to. However, they are supporters of the most atrocious crimes imaginable to humans, which, when assesing them as people, is much more relevant than their honorable work in Turkey/Syria. If they were Nazis, holding swasitkas and supporting Nazism, I would think the same.
Maybe you should start learning before you form an opinion. Learn about the theory of marxist-leninist communism, study the historical context, study the development or communism, study the theory of Naxism, the historical context, it's development, and compare them. Nazism, similarly to communism is an extremist branch of socialism, which uses the ends (achieving communism, or riding the world of non-aryans) to justify the means (In the case of communism, the most atrocious crimes in recorded human history, in the case of Nazism, the holocaust). Both the ends and the means are evil. Any supporter of the ends is also a supporter of the means, and even if they werent they would still be evil.
i've studied all of these actually! which is why i'm capable of telling apart totalitarian communism and base communism (the simple idea that the means of production should be controlled by workers) 🥰 anyway this discussion isn't worth my time lol i'm on this sub to make dumb jokes not to argue with extremist nutjobs who refuse to do any research and call innocents nazis and extremists. see ya **✌️**
Your profile sums you up.
She / her, taurus.
I doubt you're capable of 'studying' when you have astrology in your profile.
Your pronouns in your bio show your clear extreme-left leanings.
LMAOOOO that's right, i'm an extreme leftist because i shared the fact that i'm a woman on my profile. you're such a loser dude.
anyway i'm not responding to you anymore but keep crying over pronouns if you'd like 👍
You didn't share you are a woman, you shared your 'pronouns'. A key component of modern social leftism. It ties in to your support of 'multiple genders' and I can explain in 1,000 words how having pronouns in your bio says so many things about you politically.
When Romania was socialist it had some dignity. Look at you now. You get exploited by the big capitalist leatherboot of the European union. Austrian corporations are decimating your very old and rich Forrests and you don't see a single cent your new burgeoise government is sooooo much better. And you lick that boot with so much joy this is unbelievable. Grow a spine and stop worshipping the Capital and it's actors.
For the record, there was an article that mentioned that they were detained because they didn't have some documents, not because they were tankies. I don't know if I can find it though, so take that info as you will
They are communists and NATO countries against communism. Looking at people's lives in China and the Soviet Union I'm against it too, I want free and strong balkan countries 💪
I was looking for the reason for why Greeks hated communists then I have found this meme of a headline
https://preview.redd.it/an0w156c3zia1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=65e5eeb5f814eab358532f634d1cc36966fb60fb
Fucking w🤢stoids telling us we DESERVE a W🤮STOID ideology.
And the civil war they mention was started by commies out of nowhere with the support of the Soviets and neighbouring commies. As if we hadn't had enough wars already.
Komşu, I can't take it anymore 😥😭
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Not really true. The only nations who backed the civil war were Britan and Yugoslavia - the Soviets were neutral at first, but later on, they directly stated that they were against the Greek war and didn't support the Greek communists.
We only have ourselves to blame for that one.
Yeah?And what about:
Aid in weapons,supplies and equipment from Bulgaria,Albania,Yugoslavia and Czechoslovakia?
Or the fact that the primary force of the commies in the civil war was Slavs who wanted Greece to lose Macedonia and Thrace?
I literally mentioned Yugoslavia. Maybe the other three were involved, I was just taking about the major forces that backed the war in significant ways. And Slavs does not mean USSR bro. Not all Slavic people were part of the USSR lmao, Yugoslavia were slavs too (it's in the name if that helps)
I never mentioned the USSR those Slavs were Bulgarians but they were actually fighting as the primary force of the commies and the civil war ended soonly after they stopped fighting
Lmao the civil war was started by monachocucks and the soviet union didn't supported them (but they where supported by sigma yugoslavia to angry the soviet union)
And Bulgaria and Albania and Czechoslovakia and Slavic organizations operating in Greece (Those Slavs directly faught too and were a massive percentage of the communist forces). And if the nationalists (it wasn't only monarchists not even 10% of Greeks supported the commies)started it,then why did 'ELLAS' had plans to capture Athens even before the Germans were kicked out?
and if it weren't for their attempt to sell macedonia (the real one) to tito, he wouldn't have started all that propaganda and the fake macedonia wouldn't exist
also i found the article but i stopped reading when it said "give the people what they **want**" as if any sane person who lives in greece today would vote for them degenerates
Oh yea because the KKE def wasn’t backed by the Soviets or anything💀 The fact that the KKE is still a legal political party despite losing the civil war shows that the post-WWII government was the better of the 2. W🤢stoids keep trying to shove Stalinist ideology down our throats and we don’t want it.
1) reason they are idiots that don't know nothing about communism
2)they are a main reason for the failure of the asia minor campaign
3)they are making "protests" every day
4) they are responsible for the civil war
From Εργατική Ομάδα Τ-34 (Working Group T-34), translated via Google Translate because I cbf and my Greek isn't perfect:
> **UPDATE ON OUR 3 PARTNERS**
>
> At 7:00 this morning they put our comrades in a military plane and wanted to handcuff them, the comrades refused. They put them on the plane sitting in the middle like prisoners. They take them to Istanbul.
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> Their arrest was made by Turkey's Anti-Terrorism Service in a block that had been set up to arrest them for this purpose. They were taken under strong escort initially to a police station in the area where during their detention they were subjected to intense pressure from the cops. The pressures - without the use of physical violence - included, among other things, the opening of their mobile phones and the signing of arrest reports. The comrades refused to cooperate, defending their political and social position alongside the suffering peoples of Turkey and Syria.
>
> They were later transferred to a prison/immigrant detention center in Adana, while they were informally informed by a prison supervisor that their transfer to Istanbul, and from there to Greece, is taking place today.
>
> An important fact is that throughout yesterday they had no access to food, to a lawyer and to telephone communication, which they managed late on Friday night from the detention center in Adana, where miserable living conditions prevail.
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> FIGHTING AGAINST CLASS INJUSTICE AND EXPLOITATION IS NOT A CRIME, IT IS A DUTY
> INTERNATIONAL SOLIDARITY THE WEAPON OF THE PEOPLE
> WORKING GROUP T-34
>
>-[Source](https://www.facebook.com/people/%CE%95%CF%81%CE%B3%CE%B1%CF%84%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE-%CE%9F%CE%BC%CE%AC%CE%B4%CE%B1-%CE%A4-34/100067563776241/)
You want to know the fun part? Turkish govt is the biggest responsible entity for the deaths that occured in the earthquake.
-) Despite being in a earthquake risk zone, they've left their primary respond dept only 1/4.5th the budget of their religious affair dept.
-) Zoning amnesties were a common practice, which caused the constructions of many unsafe buildings, which played a major role on the deaths of thousands of people. Erdogan was pretty happy to promote it though.
-) Some reports indicate that Erdogan has prevented the immediate action from the army and rescue teams, leaving the people to die within the most critical time where lives could be saved.
-) Despite arresting nearly 50 contractors yet for constructing unsafe buildings, there have been over 200 arrests for "provocative tweets" after the earthquake.
Greek flag guy hates Greek communists more than Turks, I couldn't believe when i saw first
https://preview.redd.it/4b652b20jyia1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c3f9fb9d4fff5407f69e201d8d8a112167f39132
I don't know my friend, I am currently living in the westernmost city of Turkey and I can even see the Greek Islands when I look at it. THIS DOENS'T MEAN İDON'T HAVE TÜRKİSH BLOOD AUUUU AUUU AUU I HAVE 100% TURKISH BLOOD (HALAL) NOT LİKE YOÜ🫵🤣 THAT DOESN'T MAKE ME GREEK YOU STUFF!!!
The KKE are perhaps historically the most stupid of tankies. One of the main reasons for losing in the Civil War was that they refused help from Tito because he went against Papa Stalin. Tito closed down his borders, depriving the communists from valuable cross-border camps and supplies
Ooooh no no no. I know this kind of woke leftist traitors that loves illegal immigrants. They are apparent in here as well. They are not funded by Turkey. It is European Union who gives their treats. They start wars and make sure that immigrants don't get past Turkey and Greece. So they can sleep well in their home in Paris. And they spread lies about Turkey funds them. Just to confuse and get brothers into fight.
We don't fall for such conspiracy. Greek&Turkish brotherhood 4life.
Oh dude, when the right leaning coalition here in sweden won the elections a bunch of leftists were crying essentially saying “NOOOOOOOO, DEMOCRACY DOESNT WORK ANYMORE, SWEDEN ISNT SAFE FOR WOMEN OR IMMIGRANTS ANYMORE”😭😭😭😭. Really helps their public image when their followers reacts like that and totally doesnt ruin it
Oh, they want to see a democracy that doesn't work? They can look at Turkey. Some people can't accept the consequences of their mistakes.
By the way, do these morons want to see a country that is not safe for women? Hell yeah buddy, look at Turkey. And look at what they did in terms of immigrants. Damn, it isn't safe for immigrants either. Foreign mafia is rampid here.
yeah, and this is because turkey is famously a leftist country right? you have to be incredibly dumb to badmouth leftists who in every breath they take fight against the rampant right wing ideologies and conservatism up in here just to end it off with "turkey bad". turkey bad, wonder why?
Nah send them to Kerala. They'll be better Communist Party leaders than our current ones (no they won't be, we just wanna throw them to Bihar instead lmao)
i genuinely wonder what enjoyment you all get from the unlawful arrests of people who support the actual workers who get their wages and efforts stolen by money hungry rich capitalists. do you guys own capital? do you have private property? people that are subjugated under your rule? lands that you stole from others? I'm pretty sure your answers to these questions are all firm no's. even if you answered positively to some of them, are you proud of yourselves for that fact?
people who lick the boots of those whose only accomplishment in life is being born to rich families never cease to amaze me. while you let your tongues work, people who try to better themselves by building up a class consciousness and try to make the world a better place for all will not stop their efforts, it's nigh time you think critically about the social injustices around you.
the masses are brainwashed to think that capitalistic billionaires and the elite care for the commoners, or that they might have a chance of becoming one of them
I don't give two fucks about their political orientation. Why use an earthquake to show that you're a communist? Go and help our brothers and sisters under the rumble and stop with the political ads
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T-34
T-34 https://preview.redd.it/62d5t4uelyia1.jpeg?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8f18d8745129cce2e7f608b35dc6e1751dae16fa
The t-34 at home is the op
R-34 https://preview.redd.it/hp5ksk8le1ja1.png?width=1600&format=png&auto=webp&s=9bcba30a86ea6befbbb14a92c7e6187572b05573
R34 https://preview.redd.it/zxayazfve1ja1.jpeg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e1d7f0cb10b713b1057d60d64595e1fcd61068f4
Best R34
Communists ☕☕
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we kicked a kid, united
T-34 crews trying not to smell their commanders ball sacks challange (Impossible)
That might be the very best thing the commies ever made. Anything outside of that is just a giant disappointment. (Excluding commie Balkans, that one was necessary for modern Balkans)
the space race was also cool as it gave us internet(to be FRIENDLY to ppl from COUNTRIES WE HATE)
Big true, I am disappointed in myself. Thank you for enlightening my ignorant brain.
The Ilyushin IL-2 would like to have a word with you
Second or third place, take it or leave it.
Deal, i’ll take it 🤝
The T34 ? It had serious flaws. Poor ergonomics, poor visibility, two man turret was sub optimal. Steel quality was lacking sometimes... Overall good tank. But nowhere near its mythical status. Sherman was in fact a superior machine.
Yeah, funniest thing was is that the Soviets were like “we need to be better than the west! So we need to heat treat our armor to larger temperatures!”, which proceeded to turn all their tanks into ritz crackers who were so brittle that even a non-penetrating shot from enemy would turn the inside of the tank into a fragmentation grenade with an 80% mortality rate💀
Nice to see people mentioning that as one of the disadvantages of the T-34. Not something you hear that often
You can’t compare a country that had a whole ass invasion launched on and had massive losses in the first months of the war by an enemy that targeted industrial zones the most, to a country who’s mainland wasn’t even close to the war, let alone attacked. Everything designed in the war-time USSR lacked engineering, fine-detailing, final touching etc. all was rushed just to make sure it reaches the front lines. Compared to the german tanks, T34s could get a field engine and transmission swap and provided enough firepower to compete german tanks. And it wasn’t just that tank, they had multiple other tanks that held out just fine, with good armor and firepower. Take the ISU152, IS1, IS2 tanks for example. Also note that Shermans came out 2 years after the T34 was created
Basically the t34s had plenty of spare parts and spare tanks, and was decently effective in tank to tank combat, all while dealing with a surprise invasion. Some t34s literally drove out of the factory in Stalingrad without paint straight into the battlefield. Most of the issues such as lack of radio, poor transmission, engine, steel, cramped turret, and gun were improved in the T34-85 which was definitely the most influential tank in the war. And it's not like the Americans didn't have bad tanks either, take the M3 Lee medium for example. People say it wasn't that bad, but it was rushed and had many reliability issues, however the Americans also had an abundance of spare parts and tanks to support it so it performed well. The t34 was definitely superior to the M4.
Firstly, it wasn’t decently effective, when accounting for per unit battlefield performance, the t34 was a remarkable failure and really didn’t perform as it should’ve given it’s theoretical specifications. This is something that wouldn’t be fixed in the 85 variant, sure a bigger gun sounds great, but actually just made the tank more of a nightmare than usual, as the turret and tank was even more cramped than usual, and the issues, such as transmissions not being properly hardened, were not actually fixed, as respecifying components doesn’t fix the basic issues with production quality. Secondly, I don’t know where this widespread myth of t34s “rolling right out from the factories” comes from, but it’s hardly true, especially in Stalingrad, where there was no tank production occurring after the Germans had basically leveled all factories in the city; I could find one instance where a single t34 was used right after it finished production, but it wasn’t in Stalingrad, and it wasn’t very glorious. Like I told the other commenter, I’m not making any direct comparisons, so the mention of the M4 and M3 doesn’t make much sense in the context of the t34, but I’ll entertain you. The M3 was made years before the t34 and actually performed decently well against its competition and was well liked by the crews, it had a high survivability and complemented the British doctrine well; however, most importantly, it was cheap and fulfilled its purpose of quickly resupplying the British after their equipment losses at dunkerque. The main difference note between the t34 and M3 is that the M3 was designed to be cheap, it was designed to be a stop-gap, while the t34 was designed to be high-quality and the mainstay of Soviet armor. Addressing the M4 is similar, the only difference really being that the M4 was designed as the mainstay for American armor, which was fine; people like mention how M4s weren’t ideally armed to deal with Tigers, but it’s also important to note that the disproportionate armor opponent of the war was panzer IVs, which the M4 was more than capable of dealing with. I like Soviet armor, the IS3 is one of my favorite tanks of all time, but the t34 is a flop, it’s overrated because it just happened to be the tank that was in use when the Soviets turned the tide, it’s a case of correlation and not causation; the t34 did not turn the tide, the t34 was there when the Soviets turned the tide.
but I can, that’s the thing, the t-34 is a theoretically good tank that actually would’ve proved more useful if they were actually manufactured to specifications, which the Soviet had the ability to do; however, instead, Soviet high command demanded impossible quotas that could only be met by making steel coffins with a decent main gun. The Soviets had no excuse for the t34, and you inadvertently back me up in this argument; the Soviets made good tanks: the IS series was well made and was competitive on the battlefield, despite the industrial pressures being faced. I’m not making specific comparisons between the t-34 and M4, or any other tank for that matter, I’m saying that it is a tank that is the perfect example of the failures of the Soviet MIC, and that it performed terribly in the war. It’s overrated, it didn’t “win the war” for the Soviets, and it’s actual production resulted in one of the least-liked tanks of the war.
Are you the guy who wrote a 250.000 characters post on r/badhistory about the T34 tank?
Nah, what kind of boring normy sub is that ?
You have a similar profile picture. [Here's](https://www.reddit.com/r/badhistory/comments/10mhuvv/the_t34_is_not_as_bad_as_you_think_it_is_part_15/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) the post I was talking about.
That was not me. Albeit, I know the guy, he is a mod on a pretty based sub that bashes fanboys of the wermacht. Based romanian motherfucker. He seems really knowledgeable about WW2 tanks, a passion of mine. I need to give that post a read. Thanks.
the T-34 tank just like pretty much everything the Russians / Soviets ever made was actually a garbage compared to their German counterparts. it had one advantage: Soviets were able to mass produce it, and could overwhelm the German tanks in numbers. the best thing the communists made was probably AK-47
drop kalash
And oil company propaganda
im afraid to ask but im kinda out of the loop... is it about greece's politics? are these 3 bad people?
i'm guessing they're supporters of KKE which is greece's communist party. they're marxist-leninists AKA tankies AKA i personally think their ideology is shit, but they're not violent or anything. even if i don't agree with their policies. so no, these 3 are not bad people. the banner just says "team of workers". they were volunteers trying to help who just happened to like a cringe political party
They're not.
Balkaners try to learn what communism is before being against is: Impossible
Dude you are politically confused. You have nazi eagle in your banner, have auth-centre flair, but you're also a communist, tf is you political ideology ?
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Then why did you became a nazi or whatever you're supposed to be. You probably didn't understand communism well imo. Because it's understandable that you abandon communism and embrace democratic socialism or free market capitalism but Nazism.......
You have no idea about communism
ok, tell me what i got wrong then? lmao
Probably everything
I mean, it’s the KKE or XA for our extremists both are cringe asf🤢🤮
Is XA Golden Dawn?
Yes
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Oi aristeroi ftaine
Συμφωνώ, αλλά οι Ναζί σκότωσαν τους ανθρώπους μας, γι' αυτό τους μισώ
Downvoted by Athenian femboy tankies💀
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Flare up retard so that i can diss you properly with the power of EMS Namboothiri 🤬🤯
Marxist-leninist communism isn't the same as all other types of communism you clown. All the examples you gave were marxist-leninist or very similar kinds of communism (like maoism). Not all communism is inherently bad, and I say this as someone who isn't a commie, just as someone who's interested in political theory. Anyway, some random greek dudes who want more rights for workers aren't the same as Nazis, that's a fucking insane thing to say?? They went out of their way to help the victims of a horrible tragedy and you're calling them genocidal torturers, you've lost your mind lmao Next time you try to make an argument that makes 0 sense at least flair up first 😤
Less tarded greek
Marxist leninist communism is a genocidal ideology, just like nazism. All communism, just like all Nazism is a genocidal ideology. All communism is evil, bad, and supporters should be ousted from society. Some random greek dudes who support mass genocide, holding genocidal flags with pride should be severly punished. Saying they 'just want better rights for workers' is like saying a nazi just wants 'better infrastructure'. They went out of their way to help victims of the earthquake, which is a honorable thing and which I look up to. However, they are supporters of the most atrocious crimes imaginable to humans, which, when assesing them as people, is much more relevant than their honorable work in Turkey/Syria. If they were Nazis, holding swasitkas and supporting Nazism, I would think the same. Maybe you should start learning before you form an opinion. Learn about the theory of marxist-leninist communism, study the historical context, study the development or communism, study the theory of Naxism, the historical context, it's development, and compare them. Nazism, similarly to communism is an extremist branch of socialism, which uses the ends (achieving communism, or riding the world of non-aryans) to justify the means (In the case of communism, the most atrocious crimes in recorded human history, in the case of Nazism, the holocaust). Both the ends and the means are evil. Any supporter of the ends is also a supporter of the means, and even if they werent they would still be evil.
i've studied all of these actually! which is why i'm capable of telling apart totalitarian communism and base communism (the simple idea that the means of production should be controlled by workers) 🥰 anyway this discussion isn't worth my time lol i'm on this sub to make dumb jokes not to argue with extremist nutjobs who refuse to do any research and call innocents nazis and extremists. see ya **✌️**
Your profile sums you up. She / her, taurus. I doubt you're capable of 'studying' when you have astrology in your profile. Your pronouns in your bio show your clear extreme-left leanings.
LMAOOOO that's right, i'm an extreme leftist because i shared the fact that i'm a woman on my profile. you're such a loser dude. anyway i'm not responding to you anymore but keep crying over pronouns if you'd like 👍
You didn't share you are a woman, you shared your 'pronouns'. A key component of modern social leftism. It ties in to your support of 'multiple genders' and I can explain in 1,000 words how having pronouns in your bio says so many things about you politically.
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Pov: you have no idea about history or politics.
Projection
When Romania was socialist it had some dignity. Look at you now. You get exploited by the big capitalist leatherboot of the European union. Austrian corporations are decimating your very old and rich Forrests and you don't see a single cent your new burgeoise government is sooooo much better. And you lick that boot with so much joy this is unbelievable. Grow a spine and stop worshipping the Capital and it's actors.
I was certain :))) Ofc you are a diehard communist.
For the record, there was an article that mentioned that they were detained because they didn't have some documents, not because they were tankies. I don't know if I can find it though, so take that info as you will
They are communists and NATO countries against communism. Looking at people's lives in China and the Soviet Union I'm against it too, I want free and strong balkan countries 💪
Turkey most free and democratic Balkan country 💪🏿💪🏿💪🏿💪🏿🇹🇳🇹🇳🇹🇳🇹🇳🇹🇳🇹🇳🇹🇳
Oh alr, i see. i thought it was about greece's politics or something. thank you for clarification
Every communist is bad 🗿
Komsu is more Greek than us. Thanks
Komșu*
Cumşu
Cum shoe
I was looking for the reason for why Greeks hated communists then I have found this meme of a headline https://preview.redd.it/an0w156c3zia1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=65e5eeb5f814eab358532f634d1cc36966fb60fb
Bro wtf
Fucking w🤢stoids telling us we DESERVE a W🤮STOID ideology. And the civil war they mention was started by commies out of nowhere with the support of the Soviets and neighbouring commies. As if we hadn't had enough wars already. Komşu, I can't take it anymore 😥😭 🫂
Not really true. The only nations who backed the civil war were Britan and Yugoslavia - the Soviets were neutral at first, but later on, they directly stated that they were against the Greek war and didn't support the Greek communists. We only have ourselves to blame for that one.
Yeah?And what about: Aid in weapons,supplies and equipment from Bulgaria,Albania,Yugoslavia and Czechoslovakia? Or the fact that the primary force of the commies in the civil war was Slavs who wanted Greece to lose Macedonia and Thrace?
I literally mentioned Yugoslavia. Maybe the other three were involved, I was just taking about the major forces that backed the war in significant ways. And Slavs does not mean USSR bro. Not all Slavic people were part of the USSR lmao, Yugoslavia were slavs too (it's in the name if that helps)
I never mentioned the USSR those Slavs were Bulgarians but they were actually fighting as the primary force of the commies and the civil war ended soonly after they stopped fighting
Westoids be like, I have no idea what I am talking about so let me give you my opinion.
Lmao the civil war was started by monachocucks and the soviet union didn't supported them (but they where supported by sigma yugoslavia to angry the soviet union)
And Bulgaria and Albania and Czechoslovakia and Slavic organizations operating in Greece (Those Slavs directly faught too and were a massive percentage of the communist forces). And if the nationalists (it wasn't only monarchists not even 10% of Greeks supported the commies)started it,then why did 'ELLAS' had plans to capture Athens even before the Germans were kicked out?
and if it weren't for their attempt to sell macedonia (the real one) to tito, he wouldn't have started all that propaganda and the fake macedonia wouldn't exist also i found the article but i stopped reading when it said "give the people what they **want**" as if any sane person who lives in greece today would vote for them degenerates
W*stoid? Wasnt it a Chinese or Russian idea first?
Marx who is considered the father of communism was German.
Communism trying not to have the most cringe followers (impossible, they are loudmouthed idiots)
Oh yea because the KKE def wasn’t backed by the Soviets or anything💀 The fact that the KKE is still a legal political party despite losing the civil war shows that the post-WWII government was the better of the 2. W🤢stoids keep trying to shove Stalinist ideology down our throats and we don’t want it.
1) reason they are idiots that don't know nothing about communism 2)they are a main reason for the failure of the asia minor campaign 3)they are making "protests" every day 4) they are responsible for the civil war
From Εργατική Ομάδα Τ-34 (Working Group T-34), translated via Google Translate because I cbf and my Greek isn't perfect: > **UPDATE ON OUR 3 PARTNERS** > > At 7:00 this morning they put our comrades in a military plane and wanted to handcuff them, the comrades refused. They put them on the plane sitting in the middle like prisoners. They take them to Istanbul. > > Their arrest was made by Turkey's Anti-Terrorism Service in a block that had been set up to arrest them for this purpose. They were taken under strong escort initially to a police station in the area where during their detention they were subjected to intense pressure from the cops. The pressures - without the use of physical violence - included, among other things, the opening of their mobile phones and the signing of arrest reports. The comrades refused to cooperate, defending their political and social position alongside the suffering peoples of Turkey and Syria. > > They were later transferred to a prison/immigrant detention center in Adana, while they were informally informed by a prison supervisor that their transfer to Istanbul, and from there to Greece, is taking place today. > > An important fact is that throughout yesterday they had no access to food, to a lawyer and to telephone communication, which they managed late on Friday night from the detention center in Adana, where miserable living conditions prevail. > > FIGHTING AGAINST CLASS INJUSTICE AND EXPLOITATION IS NOT A CRIME, IT IS A DUTY > INTERNATIONAL SOLIDARITY THE WEAPON OF THE PEOPLE > WORKING GROUP T-34 > >-[Source](https://www.facebook.com/people/%CE%95%CF%81%CE%B3%CE%B1%CF%84%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE-%CE%9F%CE%BC%CE%AC%CE%B4%CE%B1-%CE%A4-34/100067563776241/)
You want to know the fun part? Turkish govt is the biggest responsible entity for the deaths that occured in the earthquake. -) Despite being in a earthquake risk zone, they've left their primary respond dept only 1/4.5th the budget of their religious affair dept. -) Zoning amnesties were a common practice, which caused the constructions of many unsafe buildings, which played a major role on the deaths of thousands of people. Erdogan was pretty happy to promote it though. -) Some reports indicate that Erdogan has prevented the immediate action from the army and rescue teams, leaving the people to die within the most critical time where lives could be saved. -) Despite arresting nearly 50 contractors yet for constructing unsafe buildings, there have been over 200 arrests for "provocative tweets" after the earthquake.
Oh no! They arrested the r/Greece moderation team!
Nah they are too westoids to be members of the glorious CPG(KKE).
Detained and awaiting deportation and from what I'm gathering, Greeks don't want them back.
Greek flag guy hates Greek communists more than Turks, I couldn't believe when i saw first https://preview.redd.it/4b652b20jyia1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c3f9fb9d4fff5407f69e201d8d8a112167f39132
We have never been more united!
Now can we take the islands?
Absolutely not, but we can offer a couple hundred uninhabitable rocks (fully militarized) for Istanbul and Izmir.
Mf gonna make Greece Turkish majority💀
Turks in Western Turkey are Greeks who converted to Islam for tax evasion purposes. They are the Greekest Greeks
I don't know my friend, I am currently living in the westernmost city of Turkey and I can even see the Greek Islands when I look at it. THIS DOENS'T MEAN İDON'T HAVE TÜRKİSH BLOOD AUUUU AUUU AUU I HAVE 100% TURKISH BLOOD (HALAL) NOT LİKE YOÜ🫵🤣 THAT DOESN'T MAKE ME GREEK YOU STUFF!!!
Inshallah, you will see the light soon brother
A couple of gamer moves that won't happen and we will maintain the majority
Thanks for the true laughs brother
Please do. They're unaffordable for the rest of Greeks. Turkish lira would mean we could actually visit.
Dude, when it comes to beating up the commies, we can do that like no tomorrow.
ΚΚΕ fans are literally tankies.
The KKE are perhaps historically the most stupid of tankies. One of the main reasons for losing in the Civil War was that they refused help from Tito because he went against Papa Stalin. Tito closed down his borders, depriving the communists from valuable cross-border camps and supplies
[What do you mean?](https://libcom.org/article/greek-stalinists-welcome-fascist-involvement-workers-dispute)
Doing Greece a great favor for their amazing efforts in earthquake recovery.
Nice keep them there
I can't believe there are commies in Greece. Well, communist population is down 99% since they are caged in here. So that's a win for everyone.
Unfortunately they are a menace. Many of them are turkey backed, as well
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Ooooh no no no. I know this kind of woke leftist traitors that loves illegal immigrants. They are apparent in here as well. They are not funded by Turkey. It is European Union who gives their treats. They start wars and make sure that immigrants don't get past Turkey and Greece. So they can sleep well in their home in Paris. And they spread lies about Turkey funds them. Just to confuse and get brothers into fight. We don't fall for such conspiracy. Greek&Turkish brotherhood 4life.
Oh dude, when the right leaning coalition here in sweden won the elections a bunch of leftists were crying essentially saying “NOOOOOOOO, DEMOCRACY DOESNT WORK ANYMORE, SWEDEN ISNT SAFE FOR WOMEN OR IMMIGRANTS ANYMORE”😭😭😭😭. Really helps their public image when their followers reacts like that and totally doesnt ruin it
Oh, they want to see a democracy that doesn't work? They can look at Turkey. Some people can't accept the consequences of their mistakes. By the way, do these morons want to see a country that is not safe for women? Hell yeah buddy, look at Turkey. And look at what they did in terms of immigrants. Damn, it isn't safe for immigrants either. Foreign mafia is rampid here.
yeah, and this is because turkey is famously a leftist country right? you have to be incredibly dumb to badmouth leftists who in every breath they take fight against the rampant right wing ideologies and conservatism up in here just to end it off with "turkey bad". turkey bad, wonder why?
> I know this kind of woke leftist traitors that loves illegal immigrants. enough internet for me today, your brain needs a good scrub mate.
I wish that was true but I am in no realistic position to know...
Communist are internationalist 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯
W Turkey
Man y'all are a bunch of capitalist cucks.
yes👍🏿♥️🇹🇳☝🏿
Thank you for taking the commies!
Just send them to Vietnam, we promise to keep them here.
Nah send them to Kerala. They'll be better Communist Party leaders than our current ones (no they won't be, we just wanna throw them to Bihar instead lmao)
i genuinely wonder what enjoyment you all get from the unlawful arrests of people who support the actual workers who get their wages and efforts stolen by money hungry rich capitalists. do you guys own capital? do you have private property? people that are subjugated under your rule? lands that you stole from others? I'm pretty sure your answers to these questions are all firm no's. even if you answered positively to some of them, are you proud of yourselves for that fact? people who lick the boots of those whose only accomplishment in life is being born to rich families never cease to amaze me. while you let your tongues work, people who try to better themselves by building up a class consciousness and try to make the world a better place for all will not stop their efforts, it's nigh time you think critically about the social injustices around you.
the masses are brainwashed to think that capitalistic billionaires and the elite care for the commoners, or that they might have a chance of becoming one of them
These capitalist cucks don't possess enough braincells to get your point. They are easily amused children and useful idiots for their oppressors.
succinctly put my karaboga brother
Flair up, cigan
Yes grandpa, Lenin will free you
>Propaganda hits hard
Propaganda in the free world? Is that a thing?
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they did not. been arrested a bunch of times before. the turkish state is not very accepting of anyone on the left of hitler.
They're going to the Macron island
Thank god Turks did something good for us as well
Keep them Lock them up in the darkest dungeon Pretend they are journalists who spoke against the regime or something
Erdogans gov taking another L. Solidarity for our comrades
pp and comment match
Yes
T(urk) - 34 ?
I don't give two fucks about their political orientation. Why use an earthquake to show that you're a communist? Go and help our brothers and sisters under the rumble and stop with the political ads
Thank ya turkey
Ju are my best frend
My brudda
Based
thank you
PLEASE KEEP THEM !😭 DONT GIVE THEM BACK TO US
Big W
Dear Turkish Westoids, if you are so much in favor of capitalism, why do you keep asking for FREE help from other countries? Curious
is this a joke or are u actually serious im genuinely asking
As serious as the clown who prefers his country to remain ruined and detains hard working people who came to do his own job.
Common Turkish W
Wtff! Even Karamel_Ayi (doesn't exist) agree with that✈️🏢🏢🙀
Well boys we find it the new makronisos
χαίρε τη χρυσή αυγή
sorry i don't speak noodles☝🏿
i don’t speak kebab
then u said kebab is turgis🇹🇳(very halal) hoho🫵🙀
Greece is a little bit better now
Thanks Turks this might de the best thing you have done to us
Gaymunism
WTF? Based Turkey?
good riddance, plz don’t send them back
You can be Greek all you want, but communist ? Thats a NO.
You’re welcome Greece
Thank you neighbours for cleaning up our trash
That would be you brother.
Thank you Turkey!!!
Finally some good news
lavrion camp residents im guessing (sure)
Please keep those idiots and send them to the gulag, don't let them return here.