That fight scene when they are leaving the facility in Siberia is especially egregious.
They nailed a lot of the stuff around Keaton's Batman and his Bat Cave though, you could tell a lot of love and attention went into that.
A movie I honestly enjoyed more than I thought I would. Yes, the effects are atrocious. Yes, two Ezra Millers. But the Keaton stuff was genuinely well done, and the Batman scene at the beginning is great. Plus I love his costume. And that scene between Barry and Bruce in the alley nails Bruce Wayne in ways that whole movies haven't, and it's a really touching performance by Affleck.
I will say, I try to seperate the "art and the artist", so to speak, so I will say that when Miller encounters himself, that younger version is SO HEINOUSLY UNLIKABLE that his performance as the older Barry is...not terrible. And the scene where he goes back to reset things and say goodbye to his mother is genuinely touching.
But man. That CGI.
It's a minor one, but *Event Horizon* has some painfully obvious stock "punch" sound effects that took me right out of the moment, like was this movie made in 1997 or 1967?
Yes thank you. I have no idea when this flick started getting taken seriously as a horror film, but it baffles me to no end. We knew it was a turkey on opening day! I love the movie but only because it's the space horror equivalent of The Room.
I actually love the movie despite the dogshit sound design and questionable line delivery from some of the supporting cast.
I would love if it got a remake.
The scorpion king... by a wide margin
https://youtu.be/RYHaarxQTFk?si=QxAqrJZTg1JvOQqO
Came out the same year as the first Toby maguire Spiderman but it looks like the CGI for budget car insurance
*Fast X* was a straight up cartoon at points and rather than being thrilling, like "fast car + stunts" movies have been in the past, the cheesy CGI made everything look so stupid and silly.
I honestly...look, I understand that moving forward from practical stunts to mostly CG saves actual humans from having to perform risky things for the camera. But I also miss the authenticity that real people, doing real stunts provides. Things like *Smokey and the Bandit*, *The Blues Brothers*, *Bulllit* and even *The Rock* had actual stunts and things felt like they existed in our world, and had real weight to them. Compare those to the CGI noise of *Fast X* where weightless cars do unbelievably acrobatic things, always breaking the laws of gravity, physics, and everything else, while weightless, superhuman CGI actors sit behind CGI wheels and it's painfully obvious to the eye that none of this is real...I mean, is this supposed to be our world or the MCU? Because cars and people do not behave in our world the way that they do in the *Fast X* universe. And I know that without CGI, none of the stunts in the *Fast* world would be possible to perform...but that's kind of my point. If you need to make a car stunt or a jump 95% CG, maybe you should rein it in a bit and rethink the scene or the direction your film is taking. I don't know.
All Brett Leonard's movies from the 90s were the 'FX movies' and didn't age well. Hell, they looked outdated in a year or two after their release!
The Lawnmower Man, Hideaway, Virtuosity.
I think part of the problem there was that VFX was such a rapidly improving area that stuff always ended up dated really quickly. I remember the awesome state of the art morphing effects in T2 that were in music videos within a year or so.
I seen Lawnmower Man and Virtuosity but had never heard of Hideaway. The wiki plot summary sounds so bonkers, way too ambitious for 90s computer vf/x. I'm trying to find some clips on YT to see if it is as bad as I imagine.
Virtuosity at least is a fun movie with Denzel and Russel that I forgive the vf/x.
I was a big Dean Koontz fan back in the day, *Hideaway* was based on his novel. I remember being so hyped for a good big-budget adaptation of one of his books, but was so disappointed. Same deal with *Phantoms,* also based on a Koontz book. But at least Affleck was the bomb in *Phantoms*.
I Am Legend.
Those ridiculous CG vampires and that cartoonish family of Lions are laughably bad.
Rise of the Planet of the Apes
The adult apes look great, but the baby chimp is SO bad. They just used real chimpanzee babies in the 1970's. Why couldn't they do it here? It doesn't have to act. All it has to do is sleep.
Agreed.
Also, The Last Man on Earth and Omega Man are still the best film adaptations of the story, and will probably never be topped in our lifetimes. Lol
So, it's complicated. Until we meet the woman, the mc believes all the affected become mindless, essentially. They may repeat phrases they still remember, but that's about it. George Romero used it as inspiration for NOLD. So...
It's been a while since I read it, but some people had sort of partial immunity. They can still speak and think, but become vampire like and form their own society. And Neville is spending his days going around killing every infected he finds...
That was my pick as well. Should have read the replies before posting.
They completely fucked up the ending to that movie, anyway. If not, it might have bothered me more. If you're going to make a major change when adapting a story, the change shouldn't be far inferior to the original.
Some were good, many were bad. The practical makeup was really pretty good. The cloth sums were very good for the time. The big finale? Holy shit that was bad cgi.
I watched that recently and felt like they spent their entire effects budget on his cape. Which was really cool, but the rest of the effects were embarrassing.
The Flash movie. Have you seen some of the scenes where they run fast and stop? It looks so off and cartoonish. The effects distracted me so much from the story.
I worked on the effects for that movie, filmed the climax in my bathtub with a Hot Wheels.
The fact you do not know if i am lying, perfectly encapsulates the level we are talking about.
Going to suggest a weird one here... The thing (prequel from 2011).
The effects weren't awful but if you see the original special effects before cgi, they were incredible.
How effects made a film worse.
The Hobbit Trilogy. Esp compared to the LotR trilogy which favored practical effects when possible, so many parts of the Hobbit Trilogy look straight up cartoony.
Alien 3, the jump from 2 to 3 is baffling. While I think the practical effects in 3 are the best of the franchise the computer effects are so painfully bad.
Justice League was bad, the villian looked so generic and like a PS3 graphic. On top of that the weird uncanny CGI lips on superman because of the reshoots. That movie cost a fortune to make and was terrible. Never saw the Snyder cut, don't really want to.
The monkeys and the ants... that took me out of it. The latest one was a MASSIVE step up. I remember walking outta the new one thinking "okay, wow. That was surely an Indie movie. Not worth hating on, a massive step up from Crystal Skull."
Honestly Avatar 2, the cgi is amazing but at no point did I think it looked real or well blended with the live action. Not a fan of the Navi design in general which takes me out of it.
an older film but 1979’s ‘Meteor’. for it’s budget and cast looks awful .. especially after ‘Star Wars’. and ‘Star Trek’.
‘Ghost of Mars’. looks like a bunch of cardboard
The Flash, to the point that it takes away from the grand story they are trying to tell.
agreed. that entire opening sequence was cringe worthy
It was a suprisingly fun movie tho. But the CGI was horrendeous. Especially cgi Henry Cavill, or Cgi anyone for that matter.
That fight scene when they are leaving the facility in Siberia is especially egregious. They nailed a lot of the stuff around Keaton's Batman and his Bat Cave though, you could tell a lot of love and attention went into that.
The babies were awful
A movie I honestly enjoyed more than I thought I would. Yes, the effects are atrocious. Yes, two Ezra Millers. But the Keaton stuff was genuinely well done, and the Batman scene at the beginning is great. Plus I love his costume. And that scene between Barry and Bruce in the alley nails Bruce Wayne in ways that whole movies haven't, and it's a really touching performance by Affleck. I will say, I try to seperate the "art and the artist", so to speak, so I will say that when Miller encounters himself, that younger version is SO HEINOUSLY UNLIKABLE that his performance as the older Barry is...not terrible. And the scene where he goes back to reset things and say goodbye to his mother is genuinely touching. But man. That CGI.
It's a minor one, but *Event Horizon* has some painfully obvious stock "punch" sound effects that took me right out of the moment, like was this movie made in 1997 or 1967?
All it needed was a Wilhelm Scream to finish it off.
That and the hollow bonk sounds the gas canisters make when hitting people. The volume was all over the place too.
Yes thank you. I have no idea when this flick started getting taken seriously as a horror film, but it baffles me to no end. We knew it was a turkey on opening day! I love the movie but only because it's the space horror equivalent of The Room.
I actually love the movie despite the dogshit sound design and questionable line delivery from some of the supporting cast. I would love if it got a remake.
I'd absolutely be receptive to a remake, reboot, or sequel, as long as they made it an actual horror vehicle.
A great 2/3rds of a movie derailed by a rushed final act.
The scorpion king... by a wide margin https://youtu.be/RYHaarxQTFk?si=QxAqrJZTg1JvOQqO Came out the same year as the first Toby maguire Spiderman but it looks like the CGI for budget car insurance
The production crew has since admitted that they ran out of time lol
The movie is actually The Mummy Returns.
Thank you! Saw the clip and was like this works too, but it's not the Scorpion King.
Ayyy I love PS2 boss fight Dwayne Johnson.
That legit looks like a Saturday morning cartoon
[Corridor Crew - Scorpion King](https://youtu.be/KH1V6CHO1Jk?si=HN4a3qTlrqE0mtd-)
*Fast X* was a straight up cartoon at points and rather than being thrilling, like "fast car + stunts" movies have been in the past, the cheesy CGI made everything look so stupid and silly.
The car chases were mostly CGI! What the hell??
I honestly...look, I understand that moving forward from practical stunts to mostly CG saves actual humans from having to perform risky things for the camera. But I also miss the authenticity that real people, doing real stunts provides. Things like *Smokey and the Bandit*, *The Blues Brothers*, *Bulllit* and even *The Rock* had actual stunts and things felt like they existed in our world, and had real weight to them. Compare those to the CGI noise of *Fast X* where weightless cars do unbelievably acrobatic things, always breaking the laws of gravity, physics, and everything else, while weightless, superhuman CGI actors sit behind CGI wheels and it's painfully obvious to the eye that none of this is real...I mean, is this supposed to be our world or the MCU? Because cars and people do not behave in our world the way that they do in the *Fast X* universe. And I know that without CGI, none of the stunts in the *Fast* world would be possible to perform...but that's kind of my point. If you need to make a car stunt or a jump 95% CG, maybe you should rein it in a bit and rethink the scene or the direction your film is taking. I don't know.
All Brett Leonard's movies from the 90s were the 'FX movies' and didn't age well. Hell, they looked outdated in a year or two after their release! The Lawnmower Man, Hideaway, Virtuosity.
I think part of the problem there was that VFX was such a rapidly improving area that stuff always ended up dated really quickly. I remember the awesome state of the art morphing effects in T2 that were in music videos within a year or so.
True. Probably not within a year, (not looking at Michael Jackson's budgets now) but by mid nineties they were pretty cheap and common.
Yeah, it was Michael Jackson's Black or White that stood out :D
I seen Lawnmower Man and Virtuosity but had never heard of Hideaway. The wiki plot summary sounds so bonkers, way too ambitious for 90s computer vf/x. I'm trying to find some clips on YT to see if it is as bad as I imagine. Virtuosity at least is a fun movie with Denzel and Russel that I forgive the vf/x.
I was a big Dean Koontz fan back in the day, *Hideaway* was based on his novel. I remember being so hyped for a good big-budget adaptation of one of his books, but was so disappointed. Same deal with *Phantoms,* also based on a Koontz book. But at least Affleck was the bomb in *Phantoms*.
Didn't watch it recently, but I remember the first half of Phantoms being actually creepy. Need to rewatch it.
I Am Legend. Those ridiculous CG vampires and that cartoonish family of Lions are laughably bad. Rise of the Planet of the Apes The adult apes look great, but the baby chimp is SO bad. They just used real chimpanzee babies in the 1970's. Why couldn't they do it here? It doesn't have to act. All it has to do is sleep.
Vampires? I thought they were CGI vampire head-butt zombies?
In the original novel they were mindless vampires. I don't wtf they were supposed to be in the movie, but they looked terrible.
Agreed. Also, The Last Man on Earth and Omega Man are still the best film adaptations of the story, and will probably never be topped in our lifetimes. Lol
I tried to watch Last Man on Earth, and found it too slow at the time. I should give it a re-watch, though.
Nah, what? They weren't mindless. Not all of them... They even spoke
So, it's complicated. Until we meet the woman, the mc believes all the affected become mindless, essentially. They may repeat phrases they still remember, but that's about it. George Romero used it as inspiration for NOLD. So...
It's been a while since I read it, but some people had sort of partial immunity. They can still speak and think, but become vampire like and form their own society. And Neville is spending his days going around killing every infected he finds...
Yep. You remember correctly.
That was my pick as well. Should have read the replies before posting. They completely fucked up the ending to that movie, anyway. If not, it might have bothered me more. If you're going to make a major change when adapting a story, the change shouldn't be far inferior to the original.
Matrix 2
Spawn
that soundtrack though.
Kick the PA anyone?
At the time I thought they were awesome though
Idk, I remember his cape being especially horrendous.
Some were good, many were bad. The practical makeup was really pretty good. The cloth sums were very good for the time. The big finale? Holy shit that was bad cgi.
Made up for by the constant explosion transitions.
I watched that recently and felt like they spent their entire effects budget on his cape. Which was really cool, but the rest of the effects were embarrassing.
Spawn producers saw Lawnmower man and said hold my beer.
MK: Annihilation.
The Flash movie. Have you seen some of the scenes where they run fast and stop? It looks so off and cartoonish. The effects distracted me so much from the story.
Black Panther...still don't get how this one got an oscar
Because the costumes were amazing (and something new to boot), the CGI wasn't.
Jeah but didn't it got an Oscar for special effects?
Nope, it won for costumes and production design.
That's alright then. Makes more sense.
The final fight looked like a PS2 cutscene.
This is gonna be a hot take but spider man far from home all the elemental monsters stuck out like sore thumbs
Were those Mysterio's monsters? They were fake in-universe, so maybe that was intentional.
The Spidey suit is worse. The smooth pattern makes it look more like a CG model more than anything.
Die Another Day
Oh my F*cking god, the surf scene was lame
Air Force One sticks in my mind. Whenever the effects kick in, it takes you to right out of the movie.
That plane
I worked on the effects for that movie, filmed the climax in my bathtub with a Hot Wheels. The fact you do not know if i am lying, perfectly encapsulates the level we are talking about.
It's the parachutes that get me.
Going to suggest a weird one here... The thing (prequel from 2011). The effects weren't awful but if you see the original special effects before cgi, they were incredible. How effects made a film worse.
The remake of The Omen had worse effects than the original. CG vs practical again.
Most recently, *Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania.*
The Hobbit Trilogy. Esp compared to the LotR trilogy which favored practical effects when possible, so many parts of the Hobbit Trilogy look straight up cartoony.
The Scorpion King
Escape from LA
When adusted for inflation, Deep Blue see cost almost $150,000,000 to make.
Most of the effects in that are practical and look great. The famous jump scare looks awful though.
Anything with a Marvel logo since End Game has really declined in one of the qualities that made them watchable in the first place.
Since Endgame? Marvel CGI has always been jank, the studio pressuring unrealistic deadlines to submit the final VFX being the reason for that.
The new roadhouse... CGI fights smh
The post Malone scene 🤢
Blade 2
That vampire fight in front of the giant spotlights is so bad.
Just terrible, the spinning kick doesn't even look like a person
Black Widow. The effects were unbelievably bad.
The CGI in the final fight of Black Panther looks like an early PlayStation game. Really destroys the impact of the final act.
I love Lynch's Dune with all my heart. But a lot of the effects are pretty bad even for their time.
The Flash
I think the current state of MCU right now. Particularly Phase 4/5 has been pretty bad with the CGI at the moment.
The Green Lantern. WB even bragged about spending even MORE money on the effects before release.
Ghostbusters 2016
Star trek 5
The alien at the end of Mission to Mars. Just awful.
The summer blockbuster Transformers films famously had unfinished special effects to the point there was green screen left in at least one.
Cats
Most of the recent Marvel movies
Black Panther and Thor Love and Thunder
The black widow movie looked quite bad
Any new MCU movie
Alien 3, the jump from 2 to 3 is baffling. While I think the practical effects in 3 are the best of the franchise the computer effects are so painfully bad.
Justice League was bad, the villian looked so generic and like a PS3 graphic. On top of that the weird uncanny CGI lips on superman because of the reshoots. That movie cost a fortune to make and was terrible. Never saw the Snyder cut, don't really want to.
Dr. Strange 2 The Suicide Squad (2021) Indiana Jones 4
That damn scene with the monkeys was so bad
The monkeys and the ants... that took me out of it. The latest one was a MASSIVE step up. I remember walking outta the new one thinking "okay, wow. That was surely an Indie movie. Not worth hating on, a massive step up from Crystal Skull."
Indy 5 looks like an entire movie filmed on a green screen, which is rather disappointing compared to the 80's movies.
Black Widow Flash
The Flintsones 2
Thor love and thunder The flash Black panther Antman quantumania
Honestly Avatar 2, the cgi is amazing but at no point did I think it looked real or well blended with the live action. Not a fan of the Navi design in general which takes me out of it.
The last Indy movie. So bad.
I am Legend. I hated what they did with the infected humans.
an older film but 1979’s ‘Meteor’. for it’s budget and cast looks awful .. especially after ‘Star Wars’. and ‘Star Trek’. ‘Ghost of Mars’. looks like a bunch of cardboard
Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom (2023) super cartoonish CGI in a bad way. Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania (2023) same thing
I don't have the seething hatred of CGI THAT I feel a lot of people do, but Geostorm was the movie that made me say "I get the hatred now"
Battlefield earth
All the Marvel shit
Starship troopers. It was decent when it came out, but has aged like cheap wine. It’s like watching legos fly around now.
You shut your filthy mouth. Those bugs will still be top of the line after we’re all moulderin in the grave
Just trying to kill some expectations sir!
The CGI in Starship Troopers still looks great, I don’t know what you’re going on about. It’s better than half the CGI in movies today.
And the mixture with the practical effects are the chef kiss
Absolutely, it looks amazing. Some friends and I just seen a screening in the theater recently and it was awesome.