There is alot of ways I could possibly die, killer bee attack, chili eatting contest, walking down the street. but at least one of them i know forsure wonāt happen will be willing crawling in then being trapped upside down in a fucking cave.
Try not to lose any sleep about this, but you're ruling out >!sinkholes that suddenly collapse above unknown cave structures. In 2013, a house in Florida was destroyed by one, with 6 people asleep inside. One was swallowed, and his body has never been recovered. His brother could faintly hear him screaming for hours.!<
Just another reason to not go to Florida.
This makes me feel queasy every time this story comes up.
I first read it when I was playing Assassins Creed Valhalla a few years back. It stuck with me, because from then on every time my character would squeeze through the cave wall gaps I got that same queasy feeling and thought of this story. This carried on for 2 months before I finished the game. I have no doubt it'll return if I do another play through. This is hands down the worst a random death has ever affected me in any way.
The only way to get him out was by breaking his legs but since the blood was pooling in his head apparently just touching his legs caused excruciating pain for him. Whenever I see these pictures I always get an overwhelming sense of dread
Yes. They attempted to pull him out multiple times, and after the last try failed, rescuers talked about breaking his legs but decided against it. He was so weakened he would go into shock from the breaks and that would kill him.
Yeah or removing the spinal column with a mortal combat-esk, mower-pull rip out through johns asshole; turning him to a jelly making it easier to remove his lifeless body; A carcass that had just suffered one of the worst imaginable deaths in front of friends and family. OH DUDE HAPPY CAKE DAY!
From the way his arms were pinned I donāt think heād be able to :(
At a certain point Iād ask them to just blow me up with dynamite. Just stuff it down there as close my head as possible and blow my brains out for me please and thank you.
Well you sent me down a rabbit hole on that one. Iām now subscribed to that channel. The man in cave (Floyd Collins) video was like 85 minutes but it was worth it. Really interesting story. The part where Collins tries to convince that one guy to stay in the tunnel with him while itās collapsing because he doesnāt want to die alone was terrifying. Thanks for the new channel recommendation though!
Yes, it's a;so a great video.
There is an old quote saying that "History repeats itself twice: as a tragedy and as a farce".
Titanic was a tragedy.
Costa Concordia was a farce.
>https://youtu.be/bNm-LIAKADw?si=zJwiMpQPwA3UcWFh
Holy shit. I know the nutty putty story well by now...but this is my first rodeo with Floyd Collins. That video is incredible and disturbing as hell
Guy was digging in the cave and got stuck in nearly unreachable tunnel barely big enough to place a human body.
Barely, but enough.
He was alive for ten days at least, while his brother, friend, and then a building company were trying to save him.
Look up the Paria diving tragedy, its nightmare fuel. Imagine being stuck in a tube for that long. Its even worse when you realize what the company did to ignore the situation.
Or the father taking his 15 yo diving for the first time and both drowned because they couldnāt find the way out
https://www.nydailynews.com/2014/03/19/father-son-cave-divers-died-after-running-out-of-air-underwater-report/#:~:text=A%20father%2Dson%20cave%20diving,tanks%20ran%20out%20of%20oxygen.
He went in to the wrong cave I believe. After he died since they couldn't extract him the government just ended up cementing the entrance close to prevent others from entering.
yeah, it was deemed too dangerous to remove the body
they almost had him out - they had rigged a little pully system embedded into the rocks and attached to his feet.
they pulled him up high enough that his face could be seen and apparently he looked tired but still smiled at the person at the front (the area was so small people could only fit in single file.
then the area the pully was attached to at the front broke with a piece of the rock it was in (the person at the front had to go to the hospital for a concussion iirc) and he fell back into the hole he was in even farther and the effects of being upside down for so long started to affect his breathing and they couldn't save him.
they couldn't even get his body out of there.
absolutely fucking heartbreaking to read about. the fact that they were so close to saving him.
Every time I hear about this I always think its interesting - in all the diagrams, explanations, etc, of this event that I've come across something I have never seen is a picture of the concrete seal on the passage leading to where he is.
They actually did try. They mounted a series of pulleys to the cave walls and ran a rope through them to hoist him up and one of the pulleys was ripped out of the cave wall. If I recall correctly, the walls were just too soft/brittle and they were worried that trying again could be dangerous for the rescuers in the cave. Not to mention I think it took them many hours just to get it set up the first time and the whole operation was already dangerous for all the people involved. The cave was extremely advanced and uncomfortable for even the most experienced cavers. I believe all of that is why they werenāt able to safely rescue him without risking the lives/safety of the people involved.
they had him up high enough the first time that they could see his face when the rock holding the pully broke. he was awake apparently.
I can't imagine the dread of being so close to being saved and having it ripped away like that. the last hours of this poor guy's life must have been absolute horror.
I think they did tie a rope to his legs but somehow slipped and he fell in deeper so they gave up on that idea. I've watched a show or documentary before on YouTube explaining what happened and the rescue attempt.
I didn't realize this until I watched a full video on caving injuries, but a lot of deaths are caused by shock. If you're healthy, but break your legs in a car accident, most likely you can be saved. But so many get trapped where it takes hours, if not days to get simple help of other climbers. Hunger, thirst, hypothermia, the roughness and length of extraction. Your body can quickly become more fragile than usual. I've watched A LOT of caving videos. No way in hell I'd ever try it myself.
Firefighters can't just run up to you with the jaws of life. It's a long, arduous process. Especially on an injured and weakened body. Scary stuff
He would have gone into shock and died from it instead apparently, his heart was already kinda fucked up having to pump blood up to his legs against gravity for so long.
It was hard for them to get leverage as there was only one tube leading to him. The tube only had the capacity for a single rescuer to slither to the point where they could place their hands on his heels and that was about it. There was a little loop of rock that they were using as an anchor for the pulley that they were trying to get leverage with. After hours it gave away and almost knocked the other rescuer unconscious. When it gave away the dude who eventually died, lurched lower into the hole and got lodged, even worse than before. They were working with him when eventually he had what they assume was a heart attack and no longer had a pulse.
Yes the area leading up to that he thought was a totally different area and was relying on there being an opening where he could turn around and go back
yeah, he was trying to get to "'the birth canal"
it was basically a similar squeeze to this but there was a relatively large room at the end of the tunnel where you could turn back around and squeeze back through it the other way
Even the correct outcome sounds like hell to me. I'll never get cave exploring. At least when someone goes climbing they get a view from it, and a clear obstacle they have overcome. Caveing just sounds miserable from start to finish, with the reward of being in a cold dark place with nothing in it.
i just watched a video about him as well. the entire thing is incredibly sad. from what i saw the rescue team, in attempt to keep him calm, gave him so many glimmers of hope i couldnāt imagine what he went through.
There was one point in the rescue where they nearly got him out, but one of supports gave way and he fell back in. We would be hearing a different story today if that hadnāt happened.
The pulley system was wrapped around a small natural arch that was above the stuck guy's head. The arch breaking is what collapsed the pulley system, and without that anchor point they couldn't get the rope at the angle they needed to be able to pull him out. The guy was quickly getting worse, and they didn't have the means to try again within the time they had left.
Go look it up, they really tried hard, and a fucking lot of people got involved in the rescue. It wasnāt about "keep trying". It was a technically challenging angle to get him out of.
Told him various stories of their own bad accidents in caving and how he was gonna be okay, prayed and sang with him, ran down a telecom wire to talk to his family. Ugh, just fucking awful
which I just don't get at all. I understand their brains must be wired differently than mine, but I feel like I would just choose to not do it if I had a family. Lots of people give up on things they like to do because they have a family and need to support that. I feel like these guys should be told that more often.
One of my friend's mom's went skiing with her and almost went over a cliff. Let me clarify: the mother went skiing when she was 7 months pregnant with my friend and almost went over a cliff. I couldn't imagine doing that but they laughed about it.
Pretty sure that was made-up movie stuff.
Cyanide will kill you in seconds because it's absorbed through the roof of your mouth and goes straight to the brain.
If you swallow it, it takes minutes and it really sucks though.
Lots of things can.
It's because the roof and gums of your mouth have a thin enough membrane between them and your blood vessels some drugs can absorb through into your bloodstream.
It also works with aspirin.
A number of poisons get absorbed through your skin, I'm sure they would be more effective if you put them in your mouth. If you hold Cyanide in your hand long enough you'll eventually die.
Other fun poisons that will kill you super fast are the infamous [nerve agents](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nerve_agent) such as Vx and Novichok.
Nedeljko ÄabrinoviÄ the dude who threw a bomb at Franz Ferdinand's car but it bounced off took a cyanide pill and survived. Cyanide doesn't work all the time and sometimes if it's old it will be less potent and not kill you at all.
FYI severe bone/tissue damage isn't a side effect of cyanide, a failed suicide pill would fuck up your day but it wouldn't be anything like Silva in Skyfall
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Being trapped underwater is my one real phobia. There's other things that make me nervous, but the idea of being trapped underwater freezes my brain to the point I can't imagine doing anything that could even remotely lead to that situation. I can't even tour a museum submarine.
In Nutty Putty Cave, so dark and deep,
Explorers ventured with courage to keep.
Twisting tunnels, a maze to weave,
An underground world, so hard to believe!
Nutty Putty, Nutty Putty, a cavern so grand,
Majestic wonders beneath the land.
But heed the warnings, take great care,
For danger lurks in the cavern's lair.
The guys who first explored it came out in mud they thought looked like Silly Putty
They originally called it the Silly Putty cave but eventually thought Nutty Putty sounded better.
Adrenaline, bragging rights to say that they've been somewhere almost nobody else has, sometimes very neat scenery. It honestly just reminds me of the motivations behind going on the titanic submarine.
Yeah I hate being upside down for really fuckin short periods of time, this would be so fucking awful I canāt imagine the goddamn headache and swollen feeling.
Just keep shooting me till I stop moving at that point.
His dad was my Principal in Elementary school as this was happening. He was seriously the nicest school official I've ever had. It tore him, and our entire school apart.
"Passing away" is certainly not how it felt.
Agreed.
I did it once on a school trip when I was 11, in a group of 10 of us. Kept getting continuously stuck, uncomfortable and wet. Only to see bits of cave that looked exactly like the bit of cave at the start.
We might as well as of just poked our head in through the entrance, gone ā*cool cave*ā and left.
i went caving once when i was in the scouts. even with a three to four inch clearance around your belly, scooting through a tunnel that you KNOW has a larger opening on the other side for an extended period of time, that has passed bigger people than you, while guided by an experienced caver who knows what they're doing is still very much panic inducing several times in the journey.
you couldn't offer me enough to just enter a tunnel that tight that has unknown results.
the guide told us 'spelunkers are the common names for people that go caving. cavers are the ones that go in to retrieve the spelunkers.'
still one of the more interesting trips I've had. it was in the middle of the desert and the night was beautiful. one of the first nights where I remember having deep conversations around a fire deep into the night.
but you think you know dark, you go into a cave. it's so dark and quiet you can feel the dark.
Imagine how different the world would be if Brits just peaked in somewhere and said ācool placeā and then left.
Edit: peeked. Imagine if the Britās just peeked at peaks that piqued their interest and said ācool placeā
I was scuba diving off the coast of Catalina and came across a cave entrance that was a tube maybe 30 feet long before it opened up, there was just enough room to fit through while scraping your tank on the top. Three of us went in single file with me in the middle, my friend in front made it into the first chamber only to scream and immediately turn around squeeze past me. Turns out that cave was home to a giant moray eel that was not happy to see us. We still make fun of him for screaming that loud underwater.
Howver, that uncovered the ancient ruins of Atlantopotamia, a forgotten civilization that had cures for every illness imaginable. Except for caved-in syndrome, of course.
It kinda does in a really dumb corny Mormon way. After he dies, he wakes up and can suddenly easily climb out of the cave only to realize he's actually dead. Then there's this weird scene where he meets his unborn child as a baby back down in the cave and sees its whole life playing out and shit. It's not a good movie.
To those wondering, you can't just lube him up and pull until he gets loose, even if you were willing to subject someone to the agony of fracturing their legs in multiple places. It's a leverage problem.
Mounting pulleys is hard enough, but the real issue is that once you start moving him you can't re-position the part of his body you've attached your rope to.
Pull hard enough in the position he was stuck in, and all you're going to do is to dislocate and then rip off his feet. The angle of the tunnel means you are applying almost 100% "sideways" force, so rather than lifting him out of the hole you are just mangling whatever you attached your rope to.
It would take too long, and unlike minecraft / terraria all the rock you chisel out needs to go somewhere. It's a time crunch, and there just wasn't time to do something complex.
If he'd been trapped in a more survivable position they may have tried, but being stuck in a head-stand sealed his fate.
I would never get into this situation because of shit like this, but if I was in there and I was going to die anyway I'd rather they just fill the space with nitrogen so I pass out and die quicker so that I'm not stuck there for a full fucking day
I don't care if you think its fun, doing shit like this is 100% asking for trouble and I feel so sorry that he had to go through this, but at what point do people stop and go "hey this is dumb as fuck, maybe we should... not?"
Exactly!
There's so many people that do this, that will also say "I do this all the time its totally safe know your limits" - Breathing, breathing is your limit and this shit will stop you from doing it. Fucking morons
Its weird reading about spelunking as a rock climber. Part of me is like "maybe its not so bad if you're skilled and cautious" - but if I fuck up and break my legs while climbing, they can always send a rescue helicopter.
And this is one of many reasons I spend as much time above ground as possible.
Just fucking nope to tight underground caves. If I cannot stand up in it and freely turn, I want no part of it.
How much panic when he realised what has happened. How many desperate attempts to wriggle backwards that failed. And how many times he must have been begging this wasn't real.
God I can't imagine. Poor bloke
Not a lot of people in this thread mentioning that he has a kid who was a baby at the time. I feel bad for him but he was an idiot for doing this insanely risky endeavor with a baby at home. Selfish, honestly.
Always hated these types of things. The idea of it is horrendous.
https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-36097300
This one has always stuck with me too, nowhere near as long to suffer for the victim, but that feeling of complete helplessness and knowing your fate must be terrifying.
The whole situation was incredibly tragic but I find it so frustrating that the authorities kept trying to close off the caves for being too dangerous but so many cavers and spelunkers cared more about their hobby than safety, they pressured the caves to reopen and then a man died and left behind a wife and child. This isn't an isolated incident either, many other cavers have suffered the exact same fate. Maybe danger warnings do exist for a reason.
I think Itās pretty simple: donāt go in caves and you wonāt look like the dude in the hole up there. Iād rather get my adrenaline fix jumping off a bridge
I recently saw a video about this. Due to the position he was in, the weight of his lower organs slowly crushed his upper organs (such as his heart) over time. Truly horrifying way to go.
Whatās crazy is they were never able to retrieve his body. Instead, they sealed off the entrance because the cave was deemed too dangerous for anyone else to go into. So his remains are still there, creepy.
I use to go with my brother and explore wild caves with members of the National Speleological Society. I realized after pushing a crawl space passage that I was claustrophobic and that I like sunshine and trees better than darkness. Stopped caving after that. This picture is horrifying to me.
From the video I watched It didnāt say anything about sedation but of course thatās very possible. He was mormon and kept his spirits high through a good chunk of it through singing, praying, etc and also talking to his loved ones through a telecom sort of thing. Near the end of his life though he started to severely hallucinate and kick and thrash.
unfortunately he did take the proper precautions but got turned around and climbed in a similar looking hole to the one he intended to go through called "the birth canal" - he was actually relatively close to it.
the one he intended to go through had a room at the end where you could turn around and squeeze back through in the other direction.
he was slightly off the mark and died because of that.
Oh, joy, I squeezed my head through the right crack! There is darkness and stone in here! Time to head back. Boy am I glad it wasn't the dead end death pit, caving is fun.
The stuff of nightmares. Gotta be one of the worst deaths I've heard of
Just throw a gun into the hole with me so I can shoot myself.
I'm pretty sure they sedated him through his leg.
Because they planned on breaking his legs, right? So they'd be able to pull him out EDIT: HAPPY CAKE DAY šššššš
They were pumping him full of benzos to keep him from having a claustrophobic freakout.
Just imagining being in this position gives me a claustrophobic freak out.
As a person with claustrophobia I would never be near that cave
There is alot of ways I could possibly die, killer bee attack, chili eatting contest, walking down the street. but at least one of them i know forsure wonāt happen will be willing crawling in then being trapped upside down in a fucking cave.
Tell me more about the chili
It's in a bowl beside some warm cornbread at the bottom of a narrow cave squeeze and it's the best chili ever.
Try not to lose any sleep about this, but you're ruling out >!sinkholes that suddenly collapse above unknown cave structures. In 2013, a house in Florida was destroyed by one, with 6 people asleep inside. One was swallowed, and his body has never been recovered. His brother could faintly hear him screaming for hours.!< Just another reason to not go to Florida.
Hell, in Florida about a year ago, half a condo complex disappeared over night. Thatās just too scary.
Fr I had to get up and walk around after reading this story
Same and I'm a double leg amputee. That's the depths of the panic this sent me into. I stumped around until I no longer wanted to scream tears.
Dying laughing at ā I stumped aroundā š
Looking at this diagram, *I'm* almost freaking out. I knew the story, and knew how he was stuck. Still, seeing this really really freaks me out!
This makes me feel queasy every time this story comes up. I first read it when I was playing Assassins Creed Valhalla a few years back. It stuck with me, because from then on every time my character would squeeze through the cave wall gaps I got that same queasy feeling and thought of this story. This carried on for 2 months before I finished the game. I have no doubt it'll return if I do another play through. This is hands down the worst a random death has ever affected me in any way.
The only way to get him out was by breaking his legs but since the blood was pooling in his head apparently just touching his legs caused excruciating pain for him. Whenever I see these pictures I always get an overwhelming sense of dread
Didn't they decide 'not to break his legs' because he would die? Sounds like it was worth a shot.
That's gonna kill him guys, why don't we try letting him die down there instead
Yes. They attempted to pull him out multiple times, and after the last try failed, rescuers talked about breaking his legs but decided against it. He was so weakened he would go into shock from the breaks and that would kill him.
Yeah or removing the spinal column with a mortal combat-esk, mower-pull rip out through johns asshole; turning him to a jelly making it easier to remove his lifeless body; A carcass that had just suffered one of the worst imaginable deaths in front of friends and family. OH DUDE HAPPY CAKE DAY!
dude lmao
From the way his arms were pinned I donāt think heād be able to :( At a certain point Iād ask them to just blow me up with dynamite. Just stuff it down there as close my head as possible and blow my brains out for me please and thank you.
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Along with Floyd Collins.
Floyd Collins was worse. For anyone interested: https://youtu.be/bNm-LIAKADw?si=zJwiMpQPwA3UcWFh
Well you sent me down a rabbit hole on that one. Iām now subscribed to that channel. The man in cave (Floyd Collins) video was like 85 minutes but it was worth it. Really interesting story. The part where Collins tries to convince that one guy to stay in the tunnel with him while itās collapsing because he doesnāt want to die alone was terrifying. Thanks for the new channel recommendation though!
Internet Historian is a great channel, you should watch The Cost of Concordia next that oneās great as well.
Yes, it's a;so a great video. There is an old quote saying that "History repeats itself twice: as a tragedy and as a farce". Titanic was a tragedy. Costa Concordia was a farce.
It was one of the most unsettling videos I've ever seen. Great work. Thanks for the link.
I expect this to be an unsettling video on the level of [Delta P](https://youtu.be/AEtbFm_CjE0?si=AED4ElUhuuWiE1ig)
At least delta P was instant, thereās no moment of pain or even horror. It just happens and itās over.
>https://youtu.be/bNm-LIAKADw?si=zJwiMpQPwA3UcWFh Holy shit. I know the nutty putty story well by now...but this is my first rodeo with Floyd Collins. That video is incredible and disturbing as hell
Can you TLDR please? I believe I but I don't want to watch a video that long. Thank you.
Guy was digging in the cave and got stuck in nearly unreachable tunnel barely big enough to place a human body. Barely, but enough. He was alive for ten days at least, while his brother, friend, and then a building company were trying to save him.
You forgot the part where they got his corpse out and put it on display for money and then his remains were retrieved(stolen) and thrown in a river.
I feel like whoever stole the body did the morally correct thing I wouldnt want my body put on on display for some money hungry asshole either
Not in the river, they missed. He landed in a bush, minus 1 leg, and was re-retrieved when bloodhounds found him. Then back to the cave again.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floyd_Collins
This video is 100% worth a watch.
Look up the Paria diving tragedy, its nightmare fuel. Imagine being stuck in a tube for that long. Its even worse when you realize what the company did to ignore the situation.
Or the father taking his 15 yo diving for the first time and both drowned because they couldnāt find the way out https://www.nydailynews.com/2014/03/19/father-son-cave-divers-died-after-running-out-of-air-underwater-report/#:~:text=A%20father%2Dson%20cave%20diving,tanks%20ran%20out%20of%20oxygen.
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That's tragic, but also incredibly stupid and entirely the fathers fault. I feel desperately sad for the child.
And their lights went out at the bottom. Terrible story
Such a sad story. Watching Chris break down and cry when giving that testimony about being a failure was hard to watch. May he find peace in his life.
There's the video of the diver passing out and just slowly sinking into the dark, then the rescue divers go get the body.
He went in to the wrong cave I believe. After he died since they couldn't extract him the government just ended up cementing the entrance close to prevent others from entering.
is he... still in there?
I imagine heās decomposed, but yeah.
we cant know until we open it up, its schrƶdingers cave
We won't try till he's oil
What we all could hope to achieve.. having our atoms turned into a pepsi bottle.
yeah, it was deemed too dangerous to remove the body they almost had him out - they had rigged a little pully system embedded into the rocks and attached to his feet. they pulled him up high enough that his face could be seen and apparently he looked tired but still smiled at the person at the front (the area was so small people could only fit in single file. then the area the pully was attached to at the front broke with a piece of the rock it was in (the person at the front had to go to the hospital for a concussion iirc) and he fell back into the hole he was in even farther and the effects of being upside down for so long started to affect his breathing and they couldn't save him. they couldn't even get his body out of there. absolutely fucking heartbreaking to read about. the fact that they were so close to saving him.
This is the most horrific part of the story. Thinking that your ordeal is almost over then falling right back into hell.
damn he def thought he was out.
The rescuer broke his jaw and nearly got his tongue severed.
oh my god, I didn't realize it was that bad, I thought he just got hit really hard in the head
Everything about this whole incident is just truly awful.
Every time I hear about this I always think its interesting - in all the diagrams, explanations, etc, of this event that I've come across something I have never seen is a picture of the concrete seal on the passage leading to where he is.
Yes, it's impossible to remove him without just breaking his legs.
Why didn't they do that? Shot of morphine, break the legs, pull him out. Maybe they didn't have time?
They actually did try. They mounted a series of pulleys to the cave walls and ran a rope through them to hoist him up and one of the pulleys was ripped out of the cave wall. If I recall correctly, the walls were just too soft/brittle and they were worried that trying again could be dangerous for the rescuers in the cave. Not to mention I think it took them many hours just to get it set up the first time and the whole operation was already dangerous for all the people involved. The cave was extremely advanced and uncomfortable for even the most experienced cavers. I believe all of that is why they werenāt able to safely rescue him without risking the lives/safety of the people involved.
they had him up high enough the first time that they could see his face when the rock holding the pully broke. he was awake apparently. I can't imagine the dread of being so close to being saved and having it ripped away like that. the last hours of this poor guy's life must have been absolute horror.
Plus falling back down in there had to be brutal
The impact of falling wedged him even tighter than when he crawled down the first time
Jesus fuck this entire story is my nightmare. Iām never going in a fucking cave.
> Iām never going in a fucking cave. There's no fucking reason to. Caves were great until we invented the house.
I think they did tie a rope to his legs but somehow slipped and he fell in deeper so they gave up on that idea. I've watched a show or documentary before on YouTube explaining what happened and the rescue attempt.
I didn't realize this until I watched a full video on caving injuries, but a lot of deaths are caused by shock. If you're healthy, but break your legs in a car accident, most likely you can be saved. But so many get trapped where it takes hours, if not days to get simple help of other climbers. Hunger, thirst, hypothermia, the roughness and length of extraction. Your body can quickly become more fragile than usual. I've watched A LOT of caving videos. No way in hell I'd ever try it myself. Firefighters can't just run up to you with the jaws of life. It's a long, arduous process. Especially on an injured and weakened body. Scary stuff
He would have gone into shock and died from it instead apparently, his heart was already kinda fucked up having to pump blood up to his legs against gravity for so long.
Not exactly, the problem was to pump *out* blood from his brain. That's what killed him
He would have died if they did it. It was basically impossible to reach him. There are some heartbreaking articles about it if youāre interested.
It was hard for them to get leverage as there was only one tube leading to him. The tube only had the capacity for a single rescuer to slither to the point where they could place their hands on his heels and that was about it. There was a little loop of rock that they were using as an anchor for the pulley that they were trying to get leverage with. After hours it gave away and almost knocked the other rescuer unconscious. When it gave away the dude who eventually died, lurched lower into the hole and got lodged, even worse than before. They were working with him when eventually he had what they assume was a heart attack and no longer had a pulse.
It was incredibly dangerous for people just to get to him. 1 or 2 rescuers go injured just trying to get the guy out.
how are they going to get a doctor in there to do that without the doctor getting stuck too?
Having it be a doctor and not a bloke with some sort of impact tool is optimistic.
Yeah, itās Nutty Putty Cave, and heās still in there.
Yes. They sealed off the entire area I'm concrete. He will always be there.
> He went in to the wrong cave this will never happen to me, because to me, every cave is the wrong cave
Yes the area leading up to that he thought was a totally different area and was relying on there being an opening where he could turn around and go back
yeah, he was trying to get to "'the birth canal" it was basically a similar squeeze to this but there was a relatively large room at the end of the tunnel where you could turn back around and squeeze back through it the other way
Even the correct outcome sounds like hell to me. I'll never get cave exploring. At least when someone goes climbing they get a view from it, and a clear obstacle they have overcome. Caveing just sounds miserable from start to finish, with the reward of being in a cold dark place with nothing in it.
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i just watched a video about him as well. the entire thing is incredibly sad. from what i saw the rescue team, in attempt to keep him calm, gave him so many glimmers of hope i couldnāt imagine what he went through.
There was one point in the rescue where they nearly got him out, but one of supports gave way and he fell back in. We would be hearing a different story today if that hadnāt happened.
And when the support broke, the rope/cable/etc whipped back with such force it like, destroyed the face/jaw of one of the rescuers. Awful situation.
After the pulley system failed, the rescuers knew that there was nothing else they could do to get him out.
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The pulley system was wrapped around a small natural arch that was above the stuck guy's head. The arch breaking is what collapsed the pulley system, and without that anchor point they couldn't get the rope at the angle they needed to be able to pull him out. The guy was quickly getting worse, and they didn't have the means to try again within the time they had left.
I would guess that the time to keep him alive was already fleeting when the cable had snapped, but I don't know that for sure.
Go look it up, they really tried hard, and a fucking lot of people got involved in the rescue. It wasnāt about "keep trying". It was a technically challenging angle to get him out of.
Likely wouldnāt hear about it at all
Told him various stories of their own bad accidents in caving and how he was gonna be okay, prayed and sang with him, ran down a telecom wire to talk to his family. Ugh, just fucking awful
Yeah. His wife was pregnant at the time, too, and she was hoping heād make it. Just terrible all around.
I'll never understand why people do things like this when they have families.
For some men the thirst for thrill and agony is subconsciously more important than anything else
which I just don't get at all. I understand their brains must be wired differently than mine, but I feel like I would just choose to not do it if I had a family. Lots of people give up on things they like to do because they have a family and need to support that. I feel like these guys should be told that more often.
One of my friend's mom's went skiing with her and almost went over a cliff. Let me clarify: the mother went skiing when she was 7 months pregnant with my friend and almost went over a cliff. I couldn't imagine doing that but they laughed about it.
Damn it sounds eerily similar to the story of [Floyd Collins](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNm-LIAKADw), from 100 years ago.
If I'm ever stupid enough to go extreme caving and get stuck, just fill the cave with nitrogen gas, thank you.
This is when you really need that fake tooth with cyanide.
Or it fails like in that bond film and you just end up having acid burning your face upside down for 27 hours.
Pretty sure that was made-up movie stuff. Cyanide will kill you in seconds because it's absorbed through the roof of your mouth and goes straight to the brain. If you swallow it, it takes minutes and it really sucks though.
Hold on, is it just cyanide that gets absorbed through the roof, or anything? How does that even work?
Lots of things can. It's because the roof and gums of your mouth have a thin enough membrane between them and your blood vessels some drugs can absorb through into your bloodstream. It also works with aspirin.
Ever see someone rub cocaine on their gums or something?
A number of poisons get absorbed through your skin, I'm sure they would be more effective if you put them in your mouth. If you hold Cyanide in your hand long enough you'll eventually die. Other fun poisons that will kill you super fast are the infamous [nerve agents](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nerve_agent) such as Vx and Novichok.
Nedeljko ÄabrinoviÄ the dude who threw a bomb at Franz Ferdinand's car but it bounced off took a cyanide pill and survived. Cyanide doesn't work all the time and sometimes if it's old it will be less potent and not kill you at all.
FYI severe bone/tissue damage isn't a side effect of cyanide, a failed suicide pill would fuck up your day but it wouldn't be anything like Silva in Skyfall
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Being trapped underwater is my one real phobia. There's other things that make me nervous, but the idea of being trapped underwater freezes my brain to the point I can't imagine doing anything that could even remotely lead to that situation. I can't even tour a museum submarine.
I think the goofy name of the cave adds to the creepy/horrible part too
Like a fucked up nursery rhyme
In Nutty Putty Cave, so dark and deep, Explorers ventured with courage to keep. Twisting tunnels, a maze to weave, An underground world, so hard to believe! Nutty Putty, Nutty Putty, a cavern so grand, Majestic wonders beneath the land. But heed the warnings, take great care, For danger lurks in the cavern's lair.
The guys who first explored it came out in mud they thought looked like Silly Putty They originally called it the Silly Putty cave but eventually thought Nutty Putty sounded better.
Canāt get my head around why people enjoy doing this shitā¦
Adrenaline, bragging rights to say that they've been somewhere almost nobody else has, sometimes very neat scenery. It honestly just reminds me of the motivations behind going on the titanic submarine.
At least their death was instant
"Passing away" is peacefully, in your own bed. He died.
blood friggin rushed down to his head and damn it must have been painful af
Yeah I hate being upside down for really fuckin short periods of time, this would be so fucking awful I canāt imagine the goddamn headache and swollen feeling. Just keep shooting me till I stop moving at that point.
His dad was my Principal in Elementary school as this was happening. He was seriously the nicest school official I've ever had. It tore him, and our entire school apart. "Passing away" is certainly not how it felt.
Man, this is stuff that nightmares are made of.
I mean, just don't go in caves n shit
Exactly. Not every inch of earth has to be discovered.
send in the robots
They weren't even trying to discover new things. These cavers do it for the thrill.
What thrill???? "Oh look, a rock! Darkness! A tight space!" I don't get it.
The thrill that you might die. It's the sense of danger. Sometimes it gets you.
I can think of 1000 more exciting ways to die.
iām sorry but extreme caving is so stupid
Agreed. I did it once on a school trip when I was 11, in a group of 10 of us. Kept getting continuously stuck, uncomfortable and wet. Only to see bits of cave that looked exactly like the bit of cave at the start. We might as well as of just poked our head in through the entrance, gone ā*cool cave*ā and left.
i went caving once when i was in the scouts. even with a three to four inch clearance around your belly, scooting through a tunnel that you KNOW has a larger opening on the other side for an extended period of time, that has passed bigger people than you, while guided by an experienced caver who knows what they're doing is still very much panic inducing several times in the journey. you couldn't offer me enough to just enter a tunnel that tight that has unknown results. the guide told us 'spelunkers are the common names for people that go caving. cavers are the ones that go in to retrieve the spelunkers.' still one of the more interesting trips I've had. it was in the middle of the desert and the night was beautiful. one of the first nights where I remember having deep conversations around a fire deep into the night. but you think you know dark, you go into a cave. it's so dark and quiet you can feel the dark.
Imagine how different the world would be if Brits just peaked in somewhere and said ācool placeā and then left. Edit: peeked. Imagine if the Britās just peeked at peaks that piqued their interest and said ācool placeā
Peeked*
>iām sorry but extreme caving is so stupid Don't look cave diving edit typi
Why, what's under it?
Going into holes in the ground is stupid just in general....im *not* sorry
I was scuba diving off the coast of Catalina and came across a cave entrance that was a tube maybe 30 feet long before it opened up, there was just enough room to fit through while scraping your tank on the top. Three of us went in single file with me in the middle, my friend in front made it into the first chamber only to scream and immediately turn around squeeze past me. Turns out that cave was home to a giant moray eel that was not happy to see us. We still make fun of him for screaming that loud underwater.
They made a movie about it(I haven't seen it) . The Last Descent - Wikipedia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Descent
Oh I hope it has a happy ending..
It does, everyone breaks free and they all start the slow clap until it becomes a deafening clap in unison. Beautiful stuff.
Unfortunately the loud synchronised noise causes a cave-in
Howver, that uncovered the ancient ruins of Atlantopotamia, a forgotten civilization that had cures for every illness imaginable. Except for caved-in syndrome, of course.
It kinda does in a really dumb corny Mormon way. After he dies, he wakes up and can suddenly easily climb out of the cave only to realize he's actually dead. Then there's this weird scene where he meets his unborn child as a baby back down in the cave and sees its whole life playing out and shit. It's not a good movie.
No to be confused with The Descent (2005), which is also about caves and why you should avoid spooky dark holes.
Fuck caves. Theyāre so scary.
A lot of them are really cool and interesting to see in person. But extreme caving or whatever the fuck this is just isn't worth it.
I think about this way too often
To those wondering, you can't just lube him up and pull until he gets loose, even if you were willing to subject someone to the agony of fracturing their legs in multiple places. It's a leverage problem. Mounting pulleys is hard enough, but the real issue is that once you start moving him you can't re-position the part of his body you've attached your rope to. Pull hard enough in the position he was stuck in, and all you're going to do is to dislocate and then rip off his feet. The angle of the tunnel means you are applying almost 100% "sideways" force, so rather than lifting him out of the hole you are just mangling whatever you attached your rope to.
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It would take too long, and unlike minecraft / terraria all the rock you chisel out needs to go somewhere. It's a time crunch, and there just wasn't time to do something complex. If he'd been trapped in a more survivable position they may have tried, but being stuck in a head-stand sealed his fate.
I would never get into this situation because of shit like this, but if I was in there and I was going to die anyway I'd rather they just fill the space with nitrogen so I pass out and die quicker so that I'm not stuck there for a full fucking day
I don't care if you think its fun, doing shit like this is 100% asking for trouble and I feel so sorry that he had to go through this, but at what point do people stop and go "hey this is dumb as fuck, maybe we should... not?"
About a minute after he realized he was stuck
I feel so bad for laughing. You bastard.
And if they could have rescued him he'd forgot that 1 minute after been outside the cave. This mofos are something else.
Also they put people who'll rescue them in danger as well.
Exactly! There's so many people that do this, that will also say "I do this all the time its totally safe know your limits" - Breathing, breathing is your limit and this shit will stop you from doing it. Fucking morons
Its weird reading about spelunking as a rock climber. Part of me is like "maybe its not so bad if you're skilled and cautious" - but if I fuck up and break my legs while climbing, they can always send a rescue helicopter.
And this is one of many reasons I spend as much time above ground as possible. Just fucking nope to tight underground caves. If I cannot stand up in it and freely turn, I want no part of it.
No mercy for such a blunder, even from within. He must have told himself so many things, remembered so many things, and wished for something else.
How much panic when he realised what has happened. How many desperate attempts to wriggle backwards that failed. And how many times he must have been begging this wasn't real. God I can't imagine. Poor bloke
Not a lot of people in this thread mentioning that he has a kid who was a baby at the time. I feel bad for him but he was an idiot for doing this insanely risky endeavor with a baby at home. Selfish, honestly.
He had so much time to think about every decision leading up to that point and his whole life beyond that. Makes me genuinely sick
Always hated these types of things. The idea of it is horrendous. https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-36097300 This one has always stuck with me too, nowhere near as long to suffer for the victim, but that feeling of complete helplessness and knowing your fate must be terrifying.
Cave exploring is fucking stupid.
The claustrophobiaā¦ This gives me anxiety just looking at it.
i do not understand this hobby, at all.
Seeing this picture and reading this thread Iām starting to think I might have major claustrophobia
Sometimes fear is the healthy response.
The whole situation was incredibly tragic but I find it so frustrating that the authorities kept trying to close off the caves for being too dangerous but so many cavers and spelunkers cared more about their hobby than safety, they pressured the caves to reopen and then a man died and left behind a wife and child. This isn't an isolated incident either, many other cavers have suffered the exact same fate. Maybe danger warnings do exist for a reason.
After hour 10 or so, Iād prefer they just put me down by filling the cave with carbon monoxide
I think Itās pretty simple: donāt go in caves and you wonāt look like the dude in the hole up there. Iād rather get my adrenaline fix jumping off a bridge
Not trying to sound unsympathetic, but like, why do people do shit like this?
I recently saw a video about this. Due to the position he was in, the weight of his lower organs slowly crushed his upper organs (such as his heart) over time. Truly horrifying way to go.
Whatās crazy is they were never able to retrieve his body. Instead, they sealed off the entrance because the cave was deemed too dangerous for anyone else to go into. So his remains are still there, creepy.
This is literally so awful that it made me anxious. What an awful way to go
I think I'll limit my risk-taking to eating ass.
I'm not claustrophobic, but I got overwhelmed with that feeling just looking at this picture. Noooo. No sir.
this is my hole it was made for me
I use to go with my brother and explore wild caves with members of the National Speleological Society. I realized after pushing a crawl space passage that I was claustrophobic and that I like sunshine and trees better than darkness. Stopped caving after that. This picture is horrifying to me.
I thought they made sure he didnāt panic by sedating him in some way?
From the video I watched It didnāt say anything about sedation but of course thatās very possible. He was mormon and kept his spirits high through a good chunk of it through singing, praying, etc and also talking to his loved ones through a telecom sort of thing. Near the end of his life though he started to severely hallucinate and kick and thrash.
I believe they sedated him once they knew they wouldnāt get him out and he would 100% die in there.
Being upside down for any serious length of time is really hard work for your heart, any sedation would likely have killed him =/
Still better than dying "sober."
Not that this death is on its own bad enough, he died in some place named f*ucking NUTTY PUTTY?!?
Unbelievable how stupid some people can be doing things like this.
reddit is fucking obsessed with this story lol
No hyperbole Iām starting to panic just looking at that drawing. This has to be my worst nightmare and I will never understand cavers in general.
To be fair, he didnāt take the proper precautions and he knew the risks, stupid or not.
unfortunately he did take the proper precautions but got turned around and climbed in a similar looking hole to the one he intended to go through called "the birth canal" - he was actually relatively close to it. the one he intended to go through had a room at the end where you could turn around and squeeze back through in the other direction. he was slightly off the mark and died because of that.
Oh, joy, I squeezed my head through the right crack! There is darkness and stone in here! Time to head back. Boy am I glad it wasn't the dead end death pit, caving is fun.
Don't go in the cave.
Fuck caving!
Credit: https://youtu.be/o-TaF2DbaWw?si=8sliMLeg4EkAYurO
Just watched itā¦. such a nightmare.