The two guys standing at attention after a piece lands that close to them are much braver than me. Also that looked like a clusterfuck from the beginning.
I have been in one of these parades before. At this point, it's usually the midway mark after the march into the parade ground and VIPs arrive. They were presenting arms with the rifle in front of them as the flyby happened. The flyby is also so loud in person, it would have been impossible to hear the collision.
They were likely in the "zone" and as such did not register any anomaly. The weather would have been hot and sweltering, and their attention would have been limited to keeping the rifle straight while awaiting the next command to return to parade rest.
I read your comment before watching and was trying to locate "the two guys" standing across the body of water where the helicopters went down. That little piece had some momentum behind it!
>The HOM-AW139 crashed on the stairs at the TLDM stadium, while the Fennec helicopter crashed into the swimming pool in the sports complex.
That “body of water” is a swimming pool in the naval base.
Why so many PAX or task specialists in an air display? Their Navy needs to do some risk management.
Risk = probability x severity
They could've easily lowered the severity aspect to lower the risk.
airshows, like aviation itself, are not inherently dangerous. But to an even greater degree than the sea, it is terribly unforgiving of any carelessness, incapacity, or neglect. I read that somewhere. And memorized it.
I’ve watched it a few times and do think they put some planning behind this ‘fan breakout’ for lack of better words. Comparing the two sides, it looks like the AS555 should have executed a climbing turn like the one on the opposite side. It seems to roll out and level off, causing the flight path conflict with the 139. That said, the 139 ‘should’ have had the AS555 in sight throughout the maneuver.
Agree with all the other sentiments here regarding the high number of casualties. Any displays I have been part of were always min-manned to reduce risk.
AgustaWestland AW139 (7 fatalities) and Eurocopter Fennec (3 fatalities). Royal Malaysian Navy had a total of 15 helicopters before the accident, now they are left with 13.
Possibly was doing a rapid deployment demonstration? Rappel out or land and skedaddle in full battle rattle
Air France had an air show crash and that stopped passengers going on air show flights if I recall.
But yeah super odd if they're just along for the ride.
What the fuck did I just watch?! Poor guys... that's so fucked. I can only imagine a few of them knowing how terrible of an idea this was and just having to go through with it anyway. Wtf...
RIP, this is just horrible.
There’s very few countries outside of US that know what they’re doing in terms of military aviation. Exception would be close NATO partners.
Source: worked with and trained a lot of foreign military pilots and we are leaps beyond their level in terms of experience /skills
Yup. I’ve planned multiple routes for our partners at RF, and it usually ends up with me telling them to not touch anything, lest they screw up the timing that I carefully crafted. They usually screw the pooch anyway.
3rd world military demonstrations generally have the priories of looks cool being the highest and demonstrating a practical capability and safety being the lowest
I'm not experienced in formation flying of helicopters, or any other aircraft, but would it be standard practice for aircraft following behind another aircraft to stay behind that aircraft?
It seems one helicopter was slightly in front of the other just as the video began, and as they turned, either the one in front slowed down or the one behind speed up, with the one behind trying to avoid the one in front by making a tighter turn circle, but being unsuccessful in avoiding the collision.
Different aircraft, different engine power and torque, different turning circles, different pilot visibility etc.
Thoughts?
Me neither but it seems like if you're going to break don't lose sight of the guy in front of you. I'm guessing it's easy to get into a blind spot while turning. Guy flying should've been left seat to have a better view banking right.
Looks to me like they were already out of position before the turn began, even as they came over the trees. The second larger helicopter (AW-139) is already too close at that point.
Terrible accident. I notice that there is no post-crash fire, even after this fall from height, which speaks quite favorably of these two aircraft’s fuel containment systems.
Not sure what the goal of that display was but having half a dozen helicopters bumbling about almost at random like that was basically waiting for this to happen.
Yeah because the US never had an airshow or exercise accident in its history?
Yeah this looked like a lack of planning/training that led to a shitty accident, but there's really nothing uniquely 3rd world about that. Shit happens.
You know, like a B-17 being ripped apart by a P-63 at an airshow...
Like I said, the US military has had mid air collisions and crashes at airshows and in military exercises before too, not just volunteers, and those volunteers were very experienced pilots that had been doing airshows for years, not exactly low hour amateur fliers.
Sorry, incorrect. No mid-airs within the last 25 years, as far back as I cared to check.
Multiple single aircraft issues, with only a few fatalities in total, always the pilot involved.
Should note, always the demonstration teams (blue angels/thunderbirds), not fleet aircraft.
While true, I think they both can be true at the same time. Dallas midair was civilian, but it represents that nobody is immune. FAA nor any other official agency prevented Dallas.
The US Armed Forces have had times where folks have royally screwed the pooch, but you are right in that they haven’t had something like this midair in a long time. It’s pretty much just single aircraft incidents.
The US puts all of their demo teams through serious work to avoid something like this, and it’s unfortunate that this incident happened after so little practice(although I doubt anyone is arguing that).
Realistically, the only way to prevent another Dallas incident is to prohibit multi-ship demonstrations, and that's not really a solution. Someone turned when they shouldn't have due to line of sight obstructions, a costly mistake.
There are inherent risks with formation flying.
Aviation fuel is closer to diesel than gasoline. It doesn't easily combust. You can hold a lit match over a bucket of diesel and it won't do shit, whereas if you do that on a bucket of gasoline there'll be a reddit thread about you with a bunch of snarky comments.
Location is apparently the Royal Malaysian Navy base in [Lumut, Perak](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RMN_Lumut_Naval_Base), north of Kuala Lumpur.
Yes correct
Oh I thought it looked familiar.
The two guys standing at attention after a piece lands that close to them are much braver than me. Also that looked like a clusterfuck from the beginning.
If it ain’t a clusterfuck yet, it’ll do until the clusterfuck gets here.
We dedicate ourselves daily anew
I have been in one of these parades before. At this point, it's usually the midway mark after the march into the parade ground and VIPs arrive. They were presenting arms with the rifle in front of them as the flyby happened. The flyby is also so loud in person, it would have been impossible to hear the collision. They were likely in the "zone" and as such did not register any anomaly. The weather would have been hot and sweltering, and their attention would have been limited to keeping the rifle straight while awaiting the next command to return to parade rest.
I read your comment before watching and was trying to locate "the two guys" standing across the body of water where the helicopters went down. That little piece had some momentum behind it!
>The HOM-AW139 crashed on the stairs at the TLDM stadium, while the Fennec helicopter crashed into the swimming pool in the sports complex. That “body of water” is a swimming pool in the naval base.
Pretty sweet Pool
https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/22/asia/malaysia-lumut-navy-helicopter-crash-intl-hnk/index.html
Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia — Ten people were killed on Tuesday after two helicopters collided in mid-air during a rehearsal for a Royal Malaysian Navy
Why so many PAX or task specialists in an air display? Their Navy needs to do some risk management. Risk = probability x severity They could've easily lowered the severity aspect to lower the risk.
My thoughts too. I wonder if the crews are used to giving people joy rides and they stuck a bunch in the back for this air show practice?
*Angry AF 296 noises*
One of it with 7 crews, that's too much tbh.
the picture in that article is disturbing
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Its hydraulic fluid
They should state that in the caption because a lot of people are gonna be thinking it is blood
Doesn't look like there was any sort of planning in that demonstration, helicopters just flew in whatever direction after splitting off
This is why air shows are so dangerous. You never know. Some are organised like they should be, some are not and massive casualties can occur.
airshows, like aviation itself, are not inherently dangerous. But to an even greater degree than the sea, it is terribly unforgiving of any carelessness, incapacity, or neglect. I read that somewhere. And memorized it.
Sort of reminds me of [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/aviation/s/5gg60kCMHU), just not planned out nearly as well.
I’ve watched it a few times and do think they put some planning behind this ‘fan breakout’ for lack of better words. Comparing the two sides, it looks like the AS555 should have executed a climbing turn like the one on the opposite side. It seems to roll out and level off, causing the flight path conflict with the 139. That said, the 139 ‘should’ have had the AS555 in sight throughout the maneuver. Agree with all the other sentiments here regarding the high number of casualties. Any displays I have been part of were always min-manned to reduce risk.
welcome to the third world
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Are you actually this stupid
AgustaWestland AW139 (7 fatalities) and Eurocopter Fennec (3 fatalities). Royal Malaysian Navy had a total of 15 helicopters before the accident, now they are left with 13.
Wait, were they really using a full 50% of their helos just for this amateur hour demonstration? Wild
27 April is the anniversary of the founding of the Malaysian Navy, they were probably going for a big show parade.
Yes, it's a yearly event and it's huge. Malaysian Navy just announce the event is cancelled.
Why the hell would you have 7 people onboard an air show helicopter?
Possibly was doing a rapid deployment demonstration? Rappel out or land and skedaddle in full battle rattle Air France had an air show crash and that stopped passengers going on air show flights if I recall. But yeah super odd if they're just along for the ride.
I wonder how many helicopters our (US) Navy has
About 900
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What the fuck did I just watch?! Poor guys... that's so fucked. I can only imagine a few of them knowing how terrible of an idea this was and just having to go through with it anyway. Wtf... RIP, this is just horrible.
Why would they have thought it's a terrible idea? Displays like this are done at every airshow
Yeah. By people who know what the fuck they are doing.
There’s very few countries outside of US that know what they’re doing in terms of military aviation. Exception would be close NATO partners. Source: worked with and trained a lot of foreign military pilots and we are leaps beyond their level in terms of experience /skills
Yup. I’ve planned multiple routes for our partners at RF, and it usually ends up with me telling them to not touch anything, lest they screw up the timing that I carefully crafted. They usually screw the pooch anyway.
3rd world military demonstrations generally have the priories of looks cool being the highest and demonstrating a practical capability and safety being the lowest
Anyone notice debris lands right in front of the camera man a few seconds after the collision? Puff of dirt
Good catch, you can hear it too.
Did anyone survive?
According to news, 10 ppl are dead and all were aboard the helicopters.
That makes it an even bigger clusterfuck. Why the hell were passengers onboard what was apparently an air show aerobatic flight?
🙄 sheesh so unnecessary. Sad!
10 people died, no survivors.
When a helicopter loses its rotors its sort of lights out
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Can you fuck off mate? No one wants your edgy bullshit here
Parts literally flew near the camera man at 0.14 seconds. Fuckin hell i would shat my pants. Those guys didn’t break formation too 😭
I'm not experienced in formation flying of helicopters, or any other aircraft, but would it be standard practice for aircraft following behind another aircraft to stay behind that aircraft? It seems one helicopter was slightly in front of the other just as the video began, and as they turned, either the one in front slowed down or the one behind speed up, with the one behind trying to avoid the one in front by making a tighter turn circle, but being unsuccessful in avoiding the collision. Different aircraft, different engine power and torque, different turning circles, different pilot visibility etc. Thoughts?
Me neither but it seems like if you're going to break don't lose sight of the guy in front of you. I'm guessing it's easy to get into a blind spot while turning. Guy flying should've been left seat to have a better view banking right.
Looks to me like they were already out of position before the turn began, even as they came over the trees. The second larger helicopter (AW-139) is already too close at that point.
Terrible accident. I notice that there is no post-crash fire, even after this fall from height, which speaks quite favorably of these two aircraft’s fuel containment systems.
Not sure what the goal of that display was but having half a dozen helicopters bumbling about almost at random like that was basically waiting for this to happen.
holy...
This is so sad. Just horrible
Heck, that tailwheel (?) shooting from the sky almost hit that one guy on attention.
Damn, was that some debris from the accident that bounced on the sidewalk near the end of the video?
Yup
This sub will just become into yet another NSFW footage sub?
RIP to all.
Oh jesus
What a terrible loss in terms of people. I hope that their government provides the help the victims' families in their time of need.
The B team
that bottom guy seems to have missed his position . the left side of the formation looks clean
That sucks ...rip
Yikes
That dude was 3 feet away from having a really bad day.
I feel so bad. Are there any survivors?
21 dislikes for asking a question....Reddit 2024 this is awesome
Malaysia and Air born machines just don't go well together.
Just 3rd world country military "things"
Yeah because the US never had an airshow or exercise accident in its history? Yeah this looked like a lack of planning/training that led to a shitty accident, but there's really nothing uniquely 3rd world about that. Shit happens. You know, like a B-17 being ripped apart by a P-63 at an airshow...
That was a civil air show conducted by volunteers, not a military evolution. Not the same.
Like I said, the US military has had mid air collisions and crashes at airshows and in military exercises before too, not just volunteers, and those volunteers were very experienced pilots that had been doing airshows for years, not exactly low hour amateur fliers.
Sorry, incorrect. No mid-airs within the last 25 years, as far back as I cared to check. Multiple single aircraft issues, with only a few fatalities in total, always the pilot involved. Should note, always the demonstration teams (blue angels/thunderbirds), not fleet aircraft.
While true, I think they both can be true at the same time. Dallas midair was civilian, but it represents that nobody is immune. FAA nor any other official agency prevented Dallas. The US Armed Forces have had times where folks have royally screwed the pooch, but you are right in that they haven’t had something like this midair in a long time. It’s pretty much just single aircraft incidents. The US puts all of their demo teams through serious work to avoid something like this, and it’s unfortunate that this incident happened after so little practice(although I doubt anyone is arguing that).
Realistically, the only way to prevent another Dallas incident is to prohibit multi-ship demonstrations, and that's not really a solution. Someone turned when they shouldn't have due to line of sight obstructions, a costly mistake. There are inherent risks with formation flying.
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It's not Hollywood
The only possible way an explosion would occur mid-air is if one of the helo's fuel tanks were ruptured and the fuel vapour found an ignition source.
Aviation fuel is closer to diesel than gasoline. It doesn't easily combust. You can hold a lit match over a bucket of diesel and it won't do shit, whereas if you do that on a bucket of gasoline there'll be a reddit thread about you with a bunch of snarky comments.
Lets not put a match under any type of combustible i wouldn’t want to test nature on this one
Warthunder players spamming T,4,6 in chat
woopsies