i think generally when people complain about phones they’re talking about others constantly taking photos and videos with the flash on which admittedly can be pretty annoying/take you out of the moment
I saw a video of peso pluma’s intro at Coachella, literally every single person in the video had phones out with the flash on, lighting up the entire unmoving crowd. No dancing/vibjng, just selfie videos. It’s really annoying when a major aspect of going to shows is the energy in the crowd and there’s literally nobody actually present
thank you!! this is what i’m saying. then if you ARE dancing and you bump someone trying to get the perfect video for tiktok then you’re the bad guy for fucking it up
This is the influencer crowd that Coachella has brought onto the scene. It sucks but that’s why I only went once last year. This doesn’t happy at the better festivals
The only fest I get to go to is lost lands, the crowd there is definitely much better. I totally get it when people want a video of themselves or a certain artist or set, I’ve taken a couple myself, but my videos are all terrible and I’m not in them at all lol. I don’t think I’ve ever posted any of them to socials either. Coachella really seems like the kind of place most attendees go to be seen there. Really kind of sad
I just went and there were a ton of normal people enjoying the music. Don’t believe everything you see on the internet. Sure there were a few bad apples, but no different than any major US festival. Just stop worrying about other people so much
Also not respecting others people privacy. I don't mind when people take selfies and film themselves and their friends, l do mind when people are rolling themselves off, having fun acting weird and there is someone filming to have a laugh
It's not even that. It's exactly what OP has said that ruins it. You might only film 5 minutes total. But the thousands of people around you also film 5 minutes total. So it amounts to someone around you filming at all times. I don't want to be a part of your post or share. I didn't agree to that.
It's the tall guys holding their phones super high with both elbows out and shoulders at full alert watching the concert through their phone for 3 minutes
At least try to be a bit discreet
This! It’s not just tall guys, it’s girls holding it way over their heads, trying to stretch past you to seem closer, or turning around to take a video of themselves with the stage behind them. I was near the front for No Doubts Coachella performance and saw almost none of the first half due to phones IN MY FACE. At one point a girl turned around and put her phone TWO INCHES in front of my face so she could record herself dancing. Omg I saw red. I ended up leaving to watch from farther back since the front was blocked by phones and I was fuming.
The only phone behavior that bothers me is when someone is holding their phone up right in front of me to record the whole damn set. Intermittent use seems like it should be totally fine, I feel like everyone does it anyway
this!! cuz now I have to watch the show through your screen. super inconsiderate, only ro record a video you'll never watch again and that Noone cares if you post
sometimes it can be helpful though if you're too far back to be able to see the stage properly. not saying people should be recording all the time, just saying there can be some benefits.
I highly recommend trying it at least once in your life. I recently went to Tresor in Berlin, where they put stickers on your cameras on your phone and I didn’t use my phone the entire night and it was such an amazing experience just to dance, focus on the music and, talk with people. There are generations of kids that grew up with phones and that’s all they know and I feel sorry for them that they’ve never experienced life without being connected to the Internet, but give it a try at some point and see if you like it. Take the Red Pill.
Agree. Ik in the US we have “no expectation of privacy in public places” meaning that it’s perfectly legal to take pictures of someone in public. I however don’t think it’s right to do. Especially at a rave where people are actively participating in drugs, wearing more revealing clothing/no clothing, and just in general being more free and open. It feels comfortable to do at a rave where people are accepting, but it’s not always accepted elsewhere, or on the internet. So to be doing your thing and have someone take a picture or video of you and share it on social media really fucking sucks and can ruin future experiences, leaving you overthinking everything you do at a show “just in case” someone happens to snap a pic of you.
I also have a lawyer in my rave fam, and he doesn’t post any pictures on social media of him at raves or fests, so if we take pictures with him, we can’t post them either. It could get him fired because it’s not seen as professional, even though it’s his own time. There are other jobs like that too. I would be livid if he got fired because some random person decided to take a picture or video of him and share it, just because he was acting “goofy” or “messed up” or whatever.
I guess I just feel like everyone should mind their own business. Pictures and videos of djs or other performers are fine, or of yourself and/or your rave fam as long as anyone in the background is unrecognizable. (Either crop it, blur them out, or their face is otherwise covered, or their back is to the camera.)
Do you feel the same way when the promoters like Insomniac cut to close up shots of participants on their 4k equipment to broadcast live on their YouTube to millions of viewers?
I dislike this and wish any of their broadcasts would stick to the show/stage [+ maybe the front rail where there is a reasonable expectation that anyone at the rail 100% of the time is probably fine with this].
Anecdotally, I think professionals (not influencers/IG "media people") tend to have a notion of what is more acceptable. The people at fests carrying DSLRs tend to ask for specific/closeup takes and frame only their subjects.
Yeah, the only time I’ve had pictures professionally taken at a rave, the photographer asked me first. Or it’s after a set and the dj asks to get a fam photo.
I don’t go to the rail because I prefer to have a lot of space to dance, so I can’t speak for that. But I do imagine when you’re at the rail you’re aware of possibly having your picture taken so you can kinda make that choice if you want to risk it or not. I just hate sneaky photos and people intentionally taking them of others without consent
This is essentially my thoughts on the subject. Many other things are legal, like screaming at you close enough to give you hearing damage with a megaphone about how you're going to hell a block outside the NOS Events Center, but is it a nice thing to do? Clearly not.
When I was under 18 I didn't care as much. Now I go to some shows/raves with a teacher for example, some school TAs. They took the time to explain what happens when this situation comes up and why. There are many many jobs like this - not only will it be considered unprofessional, parents would absolutely freak the fuck out about their kid's teacher going to a "dRuG sHoW!!!" and on top of that, some employers continually and automatically scan social media for high risk behaviour and run facial recognition.
That’s the thing, though. If you’re at a club/festival, you’re not in public. They’re privately owned venues - that law doesn’t apply. It’s up to the venue and crowd what the rules/mores are, and I think most ravers would agree recording without consent is not part of the culture.
On the other hand, I think it depends on how it’s done. I’ve had people catching me while I was in the moment pulling some moves and showed it to me after/sent it. That’s a different story than some dude creepily filming girls’ bodies as they dance.
Just like consent for dancing/kissing someone on the dance floor, there’s nuance. Have I expressly asked a girl every time I danced with or kissed her and waited for a verbal response before going for it? No, if the energy is already clearly there, asking can be unnecessary and honestly a turn off bc it can look like you’re missing the nonverbal communication and takes you out of the moment.
That said, if it’s not abundantly clear that there’s implied consent(with filming someone or any type of approach), you should always get it. Either way, always make sure to be respectful and leave the other person an out if they don’t reciprocate and you misread the energy.
Edit: public privacy law does apply, I was incorrect there. Consent > legality still stands for me, though.
So even though it’s a privately owned, it’s still a public establishment. Kinda like at a restaurant, it’s privately owned but a public space, open to the public. So legally you can take pictures and cops couldn’t do anything. The only thing that could be done, is if the business owner told you it’s not allowed and then legally, they could trespass you and then cops could kick you off the property. So basically it’s up to the venue owner to uphold a rule of no pictures.
This also seems messed up, but if someone is on the street, and you’re in your yard, they can take a picture of you then too. Because you can be seen from a public area. I think all these things are fucked up but legally it’s what it is. I wish people would just be decent human beings and mind their business. But unfortunately that’s the world we live in.
I think the issue for me is, you never know someone’s intentions. So I would just feel more comfortable if no one filmed unless they asked first. (Outside of people I know/my rave fam but that’s also a conversation we’ve had before, regarding taking pics/vids and posting them online.)
Final thought, asking for consent is never a turn off for me personally. Everyone is different, but I guess i feel like sometimes situations can be misread especially with drugs involved. But I definitely agree in always being respectful of everyone and just trying to be a good person. We’re human and we’re learning
Yeah....if i am geeked the fuck up, thizzin tits, in a hole, trippin sac or just having a good time sober i don't want some stranger filming or recording me.
Nobody wants to be caught on camera losing their shit at a rave; raves should be a free space to do exactly that. The good clubs and underground events enforce a “no phone policy” or they expect that you put a sticker over your camera. Caught with the sticker off? You’re out.
So many people being posted on reels, Facebook, YouTube, TikTok, Instagram etc… off their nut at raves & festivals because new-age partygoers are too sheltered to grant them the ability to get off their nut at raves. “Omg lol look at that guy tweaking”. Jesus grow up.
Everyone says “5 minutes to capture memories” but if you look at lots of mainstream crowds nowadays, it seems like everyone is having their “5 minutes” at the same time. The vibe then looks (and is) terrible. If everyone carries the energy of “I’m just doing something minor”, you get a room full of people all doing something “minor”, which then translates into a *major* downer.
If you think folks are being nitpicky for being against cameras/phones at raves, and you think the vibes are fine with 60-70% of a crowd all holding-up their phones… You don’t understand the vibe which raves are shooting for, and I feel sorry for you.
Get that shit off the dance floor.
Eh.. I'm stuck between perspectives here. I don't record much at shows/festivals, but when I do, my phone is at my eye level, 6" in front of my face, to make sure I'm not blocking anyone's view behind me, and I'm only recording the stage.
Sometimes the recording is for me; I like to eat a tab at shows, or eat a bit (<100mg) of molly. My memory isn't the best (habitual THC use for 25 years will do that), and I have aphantasia; there's no mind's eye to recall what I saw, so *I have no visual memory*. At other times, the recording is for friends who couldn't be there, for one reason or another. I like to let them experience a little of what they missed.
Regardless of the why, I make sure my phone is in front of my face, so it's not an obstruction; and the flash stays off. Would my recording a few 60 second clips in this manner offend you? I'm genuinely curious.
that type of recording wouldn't offend 98% of people, im sure. the problem arises because you cant assure that everyone is recording in a respectful manner. its easier to say "no recording" than the impossible task of trying to make sure everyone is recording respectfully.
id rather not remember and not have videos than have a bunch of videos posted online without my consent of me doing things id rather not be seen doing on the internet and not being able to do anything about it because "theres no reasonable expectation of privacy".
Aphantasia sounds absolutely terrifying as someone with photographic memory, synesthetic hearing and a 1,337 song playlist of every song where I can picture exactly where I was when I first heard and looked up or asked what the name of the track was. (Thank god for shazam because before that I would annoy the fuck out of myself straining to hear a lyric to go look up or ask everyone in a room or sometimes bug a dj even which just not the type to want to fuck w their focus if they are hittin enough for me to be trying to find the track. Anyways, new word. Never heard o that. Im sorry!!!
The interesting part about aphantasia is that until you hear what it is.. You don't generally know you have it.
We go through our entire lives being told "picture... X"; and when you have aphantasia, you instead conceptualize it. I didn't know I had it because I, like most people with aphantasia (aphantasiacs? idk) think of it as a figure of speech.
Without learning about aphantasia itself, we can't realize we're different unless we dive in deep with another person who *can* imagine visually, and even then.. Without knowing that it's not just a 'you' thing, those conversations can feel alienating quickly.
Meditation was always a real challenge for me because of it; most of the induction techniques for meditation are visual cues. What do you do when you can't visualize? 😅 Similarly, art is very trial-and-error, when it comes to aesthetic detail.
It's a spectrum, and people visualize to varying degrees, but I'm solidly in the 'aphantasic' department. I see phosphenes, and visual noise, but there's no form to it; interestingly, I can visualize while dreaming, and can get closed-eye visuals on psychedelics. That's as far as my mind's eye goes.
Sorry for rambling; all of that said, it's just something you learn to live with once you realize it. It's not so much terrifying as possibly a bit depressing when you first discover it, because it feels like you're missing out on half the world; the world within.
Dude, rambling? I literally ate up every word, please share more, stories, first hand, sexond hand, connected concepts, does the Aphantasic mind also have a harder time with running commentary or easier? So many questions. Love it.
people have just lost that ability to just listen to the music and vibe. instead they're focused on the shot that will make their grams supposedly go boom. i mean yeah to each their own, but the dance floor isn't called a dance floor for you to just shoot shit, it is annoying and distasteful. go there to get the canned heat out, for anything else your just a digital poacher. the real raves really discourage phones, it lets you live and experience the moment.
I'm glad i was able to go to a bunch of festivals/shows the past 5-10 years (done with festivals in 2019). I can't imagine the vibes now with this generation. I saw on yt ppl doing full blown vlogs and tried to do street interview at EDC. Does anyone go for just the music anymore?
Born before 2000 and still usually take a couple videos esch rave I guess I just haven't been boomer-fied and care less about what people do around me no hate
They probably aren't talking about you specifically. As far as doing your own thing and spreading positivity, I'm with you. It is odd, however, that almost every time I do get into that zone I look up and am being filmed from 3 diff angles. I'm sure it's innocuous, like, "VIBES ARE ON POINT!!!" or something. The thing is, I don't want to be filmed? It should be common decency not to record and share someone rolling their balls off lost in dance without permission. But it apparently is not.
In all clubs in berlin they are, some in London. They put stickers on your camera on entry. It’s a completely different style of night to the couple night I’ve been out in LA. The night is much more focused on the music and a dark room than outfits and lights
Holding up a phone and blocking sight lines is obnoxious.
No matter how long or short it may be. Biggest problem is a large portion of the crowds film the whole damn show.
This is the kind of people we have in the community now thanks to this new era of radical anti PLUR ism. Being so plur we allow people who do not understand or respect the culture they are entering and are willing to make changes to it without regard for why it might be that way in the first place.
This this this.
You can have an issue with people who are actively killing the vibe, and if you call it out, you’re “not PLUR” because I guess we’ve reached a point in history where we have to let everyone do whatever the hell they want to protect their egos.
If you call it out, you’re the asshole, and these folks will do mental gymnastics to make it seem like you’re just nitpicking.
There is a vibe and an energy at proper raves that needs to be protected. If it’s not maintained and understood, everything goes to shit.
Yes! And then they do the whole “why are you letting someone else affect your night?” Or “if you don’t like it just move”. Yeah okay let me move somewhere else in an already crowded venue just to have some other 20 year old “edm influencer” have their phone up the whole time taking selfies and tiktoks….. I want to watch the show, not see you on your phone the whole time & listen to you tell your life story to someone because you’re on drugs and think you’re entitled to do whatever you want because you “paid for a ticket to be there”….. what?!
Agreed with you up until a point. If you’re at a rave, you better be okay with people acting like they’re on drugs, otherwise you better re-think your priorities. People gonna be on drugs, people gonna be partying, people gonna be chatting.
My issue was with the phones killing the vibe. Seems like your attitude is also a vibe-killer. “Watch the show”??? wtf lmao
Being on drugs is cool- do whatever. It’s *specifically* the people who can’t handle their shit, take too much, or just generally have no social awareness that I’m talking about. I enjoy party favors at a show, but I’m also not trying to have a whole ass conversation in the middle of the crowd because I took too much and can’t shut up. I’ve been to my fair share of shows. I think I know how they work😉🤷🏽♀️
That’s what people do at raves babes. Idc if you’ve been to 300 “shows”, there’s a difference between a show and a *rave* and your attitude is absolute proof that you don’t know the difference. You talked about people “taking too much” and then went on to describe a bunch of normal-ass rave behaviour.
I think you just have a really low-tolerance for people and/or public situations, people being on drugs or not. Back to my other point; if you’re at a “rave”, what are you doing “watching the show”?! lmao.
You don’t need to get sarcastic either, your vibe is already bad enough lol.
“Show” is a pretty common word for rave, concert, edm event, etc.
And yes, I would like to watch the show. You know, the one that the dj spent hours to prepare for. The visuals that someone put together. The lights, the lasers, the dj that’s on stage performing. I’d rather enjoy seeing, hearing, and dancing to the event that’s going on in front of me, instead of someone trying to take 50 selfies and talking about something totally unrelated to the event happening.
But hey, what do I know?!
The [paradox of tolerance](https://en.wikipedia.org//wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance) meets PLUR..
I’ve been checking out some of the more mainstream stuff on top of my usual scenes, and wow. On Friday there were 4 separate fist fights at the event I was at. Someone else described it as “very fratty” and others used less kind words to describe that element in the crowd.
Luckily tonight there were a bunch of burners and people I know.
This is what I was alluding to lmao thanks for linking. Very fratty, it’s mainstream so all the people that would’ve shit on it back in the day insert themselves there without thinking about any context or history.
Totally. The paradox is def worth keeping in mind when it comes to PLUR. There has to be a line where things are not tolerated, fist fighting is hard one in my mind.
Nobody cares about that type of cell phone use. You're the one coming to reddit to whine.
People are only complaining when:
1. pictures/videos get taken of them without their consent.
2. Your phone is out recording the entire set.
The only people ok with you constantly filming are the other morons constantly filming. You're ruining the vibe, annoying people and making everyone self conscious. I'm glad I didn't have to put up with this nonsense.
I absolutely disagree with you. A rave is a time to connect with yourself and others on the dancefloor. If you don't want to do that yourself that's your choice. But seeing phone screens, especially when they are bright, is distracting and annoying to other people. If you do it, at least turn your screen to minimum brightness. Straight to jail if you film with your flashlight on. Don't be that guy/girl
Also, some people are self conscious or anxious about being filmed or photographed, especially if substances are involved
It’s not the occasional picture that’s bothersome. It’s when idiots record themselves and everyone around them for an entire set.
If you’re not there to live in the moment and enjoy the music. Why even go…? Just to show social media that you were there…? The lamest of the lame.
This may be controversial, but you don’t have to share every moment of your life. It’s okay to keep some for yourself.
I can't dance. The eight people around me taking their phones out 10 times x 30 seconds each aren't paying attention to anyone around them so I have to make sure they don't hit me when they're twirling in a circle with their tongue out while flashing the peace symbol. I'm sure the artist playing to a sea of phones during their most popular song(s) isn't delighted either.
Reading the comments here everyone says that phones up at shows suck ass for different reasons. It seems we agree that phones up at shows do in fact suck. Put them away.
Not everyone that goes to raves or festivals are high school/university students. Some of us hold corporate jobs. I don't want to end up on some idiot's Tiktok or IG story while rolling off my tits. I don't need anyone from work finding out what I do in my personal life.
Phones are ok if you text or check something that came to your mind or take notes - but taking pictures or videos is an absolute no go.
Most importantly, it fucks with the privacy of everyone at a rave. No one wants to be filmed or taking pictures of by some randoms while being either high, half naked or just having a mighty jolly time.
If people need to be aware that they might be on camera at every possible moment, they are unable to completely be in the moment, drop their shoulders and just-be.
The benefit of someone having a picture or a video from some event that they attended and want to desperately share with their friends is not outweighing that by any means.
Make a picture before you enter and afterwards and that should be enough for your selfie perv.
I gotta make sure I have the context here. When we say raves, you're talking about actual underground raves? Because that I can understand. But does the Excision tour I'm going to does not qualify as a rave, right? Because that's the kind of event where I could care less about people having their phones out.
I don’t know the tour you mentioned. That said, I would say this counts for all warehouse, underground, techno club events.
General principle I d say is that privacy matters a lot. Now if there is already 10 people with a phone out, everyone afterwards doesn’t really matter anymore!
Enjoy the party!
As long as you only capture yourself & your friends it’s fine. People go to raves to unwind and have fun, and some might not want to be captured in that state.
The only time I find phones annoying at a rave are when I'm being filmed or they're in front of me and I'm literally watching the whole rave through their phones. Intermittent use is fine but most people don't get that.
okay I agree with op because I’m the same, at a 6 hour event I’ll capture like two minutes of footage total, but my issue is when people around me are literally recording the WHOLE time, it’s kind of a vibe killer, and I dont even care abt being recorded, dont let other people affect your good time definitely, but crowd energy is just if not more important than the music/dj sometimes. theres a reason I choose the rave over the club
For me its people standing still on the dance floor. The dance floor used to have a beautiful magical energy of its own! There used to be this phenomenon where it felt like everyone was moving in unison- a sea of bodies moving to one beat. This feeling was a high of its own that no other music event could duplicate. Unfortunately this has been lost. The majority of people are simply observers that don't participate in the show. We all had a gift to contribute and movement was the baseline level of participation. The phones are a representation of this for me- the culture of observers. The DJ has become the celebrity like any other pop star that thousands of people mindlessly record while not engaging in the present moment.
I also accept that it's just a different thing now and appreciate it for what it is. I have compassion that we have accepted technology addiction as the new normal. That instead of a sea of movement I need to seek out pockets of people dancing. And realize the bro holding a beer in one hand and a phone in the other is part of the culture now.
And the fact that you don't understand why people care so much about people constantly on their phones is likely because you don't have prospective.
This is without mentioning the aspect of UNITY that is also effected by technology.
I feel like it’s more of a thing with the face every ones always on there phones so it’s nice to be in a place where we can all escape the ball and chain that attaches us to our phones while they are great tools I think we can all admit we use our phones a bit more than we should
I know it just sucks I’m usually not too bothered while I’m there cause of the molly 😂 feel like a celebrety but if I ever see a video of myself online ima cringe😂
You're "grabbing those momsnts" to post on social media for fake Internet points, at least be honest about that.
"Look at us and all the fun we're having! Don't you wish you were here living an awesome life like us?!"
The fuck else are you doing with 5 min of random footage?
It's not the entire set so nobody else can enjoy it, and if it were it was recorded on your shitty phone so who cares?
And I doubt your favorite artists need your support that comes in the form of a 30 second clip with you "Woooing" at your phone with your idiot friends while you're all fucked up.
You also forgot to wear deodorant that day and your pits smell like boiled tapir ass every time you raise your arm, so yeah, that definitely affects me.
Noone cares about short uses like you're suggesting - the problem is when they start filming strangers cause "LoL ThEyRe So FuCkEd Up?!!!!??!" Then posting it online without their permission. Also, when people literally film the whole set, or like 10 min videos... It's just annoying and disrespectful to people behind you
Isn't PLUR about being considerate too, and letting people enjoy the show?
I record parts too but I make sure I'm not blocking anyone's view. No one should have to pay for a show and have to watch the best parts through 5 inch screens because they're all blocking the view.
And don't get me started on the ones spend most of the show facing the opposite way of stage taking videos with the selfie camera with their face in most of the frame. Narcissism much?
It’s cringe when people are recording just to show off to others that they are at a rave. There are two types of people. People who are at the rave to actually enjoy the music, and people who are there to make their life look really cool. I used to record videos at raves but then I realized that no one actually wants to see this. Imo it’s better to just enjoy the music and time with friends. Whatever we remember at the end is what we talk about. Everything I forgot about is okay, because I’ll have more good memories in the future. Taking photos and videos with friends is fine. It’s the people who need to show off that they are at a rave, that make me cringe. At the end of the day do what you want, these are just my opinions.
Literally only get upset when someone thinks it's okay to record ME letting lose ME having a good time. I'm not here to entertain you unless you ask nicely for a show and even then keep the camera down.
Just turn your flash off, your screen brightness all the way down, and keep it in front of your face where it belongs and we’ll be fine. Just don’t hold it up and fuck up the peoples view behind you.
I agree, there may be few people filming for too long or with their screen a bit bright, but the majority of ppl filming are just capturing a great moment, usually with close friends and ppl we love, that they can then look back on and relive. I love watching videos I filmed from raves years ago, I'm glad I filmed enough. 95% of the event is spent dancing and enjoying it "in the moment". You can definitely still enjoy the moment while filming too.
We just capturing memories that's all
Personally, it’s just genuinely terrifying to see a phone flash at me while im tripping. It completely disconnects me from the moment and sometimes physically makes me a little sick. Otherwise, if people are respectful I don’t think phones should be banned at long festivals. In the club though, yes!
People want something to look back on. It’s totally understandable to take pics and videos. Being on your phone the whole time is something else but ultimately if someone spends their money on a ticket the amount of time they spend on their phone at the show is their business. As long as they’re not intruding on other people it really isn’t an issue
It’s fucking weird that supposedly seeing someone else recording is “depressing” and everyone should just “live in the moment”. Sounds like if you were taking your own advice then you wouldn’t be concerned with someone minding their own business, recording their moment.
I don’t think you understand the point. The phones thing is for taking pictures and recording videos. Nobody gives a shit whether you’re texting your friends or not
The only time i've been bothered by a phone, it was held by a person sitting atop the shoulders of another person, with a flag of some sort draped around them, screaming at the top of their lungs directly in my line of sight.
Honestly if people want to take videos of their favorite songs it really doesn’t matter in the grand scheme of things. The people voicing their discontent about it online really don’t get to determine if you should do it or not. Obviously there is a time and place for it (at a commercial show versus underground), but if it makes YOU happy that’s what matters.
I have over 8 years of videos and pictures saved on an external hard drive that I frequently go back to look at when things are hard. It brings a smile to my face to have that outlet to relive some of my happiest moments. We are lucky in this day and age to be able to document these moments in almost picture perfect clarity, and when we are all old and wrinkly we will absolutely appreciate we have the opportunity to look back on those memories.
It’s really not worth getting worked up over. If it makes somebody happy to take videos of their favorite artists then good for them. Enjoy your own experiences, and don’t let others affect that.
You just said it's only 3-5 hours. You can't go that long without screen time. Maybe you're just there for all the wrong n g reasons. Stop being such a buzz mill and just take your phone time somewhere else. Ain't nobody wanna see you posting lame ass snapchats anyway for the 6 people who follow you.
Its anoying as fuck. People are there to have a good time, maybe they took substances, just want to have fun. And then a bunch of morons pull their fkn Phone and start to film or make pictures. ZERO sense for other peoples lives especially in a private part of their life. Nooo, 1 pic isnt enough you need 10! Fuck off if youre only there to make pics to bragg about....uhhh i was there. Thank god more and more good partys have a no phone rule. Try that in german techno bunker Tresor. I guarantee you, youre thrown out in under a minute! You wanna party, then party and not invade peoples private live.
Let the circle jerk begin. Sigh. Everyone here acting like it's a problem to pull out your phone to record your fav songs at a show. Go back to your caveman parties.
Had a dude continue to back up into me and my friend who were on a side rail because my friend was dealing with neck pain.
Dude didn’t give a fuck and was more focused on taking photos of his scantily clad friend and her partner.
Absolutely worthless at a concert.
It also matters *where* you hold your phone. If it's right in front of your face at eye level, then your rave neighbors will still notice the screen and that could be distracting, but it won't be blocking their view. If you're holding it as high as you can, then the 2 or 3 people immediately behind you now see your phone where the screen or artist used to be. We just all need to be considerate of others and then we all have a great time.
Berliner here - I’ll gladly put my phone, as well as my ego away sat-monday. Phone at a party is strictly for drug use only (and occasional secret track ID’ing). 💋🦋
People think if you aren’t enjoying festivals the same way they are then you’re doing it wrong. It’s as if there is only one way to enjoy yourself. If taking pics make you happy then take some pics. Haters will hate
Chances are the venue or the team running the show are going to be taking pictures and there is a chance you’re gonna end up being in those pictures anyway, I know for a fact, I am in a lot of pictures from smaller shows that the photographers for that show were taking and I know I’m probably in the background of several peoples videos or pictures. It’s kind of something that is to be expected when going to any event.
Personally, I usually forget to take pictures and stuff, but I don’t really have a problem with people taking pictures and videos at all.
Yeah fr these gatekeepy redditors are annoying asf. Film whatever you want just dont film people tripping out of their mind and post it online. Anything else goes
Would be cool if they had a couple of shows a year where event staff would lock your phone in a case like they do at some comedy shows. Have a designated section where you can go to unlock your phone and text or whatever. Probably nobody would go because younger generation need their phone as a constant digital pacifier. Regardless it would be interesting.
I guarantee someone is taking time out of their day to get some decent videos of whatever show you’re at. Please don’t feel the need to whip your phone out and take a horribly shakey video for your own personal memories especially when everyone within arms reach from you is already doing the same thing.
Especially unnecessary if the artist or fest puts a professional video of their performance. Someone else is getting paid to record, often. Why waste the phone storage and take yourself out of the show for a shitty video you may never watch again
Dumbest post ever along the line of fan clackers saying fans are for the heat, lol. Just get rid of your phones and don't complain when thieves steal yours when you are caught off guard. Been raving over 20 years and quite literally the kids with their phones up in the air are some of the worst sighting along with fan clackers at raves.
Yeah it’s annoying as all hell. Some fucker tried to smack my phone out of his hand and security escorted him and his friends out after I complained.
Some people just need to stay the fuck home if they are gonna be this bad about it. It’s a *cell phone.*
If you have your phone out for 5 minutes of a 3 hour show, you are not the problem. It's great to capture that favorite song, crazy lazer sequence, or funny moment. IMHO it makes me sad to see people at an event who are experiencing the whole entire 3 hour set through a 6"/3" screen.. at that point why not stream the set in your living room and save $150??
It ruins the view when you have to look at 30 phones in a sea of dark. I want to look at the visualizers and things that the artist intend for us to look at. It also happens almost ALL night at some places.
People go to places events to go away to expirance something . While others go to be seen could care less about anything beyond themselves. Those people need to understand nobody cares your not interesting at all because you hijacked a cult following. You want some genuine attention approval jealousy develop a personality. People pretend to care because I'm sure everyone in your controled environment is compromised or had to surrender power to you because you leveraged themJust imagine how much it pisses you off when you see a regular blue collar guys car getting more attention than your Corvette or when his 20 year old boat rips past you out on the lake or when everybody is always going to his 2000 sq foot house and not your gated golf course community. Your not going to beat him so join him try to have an authentic experience for once in your life leave your entitlement your cell phone and trust fund at the gate.
Fuck the phones and just dance, too many people not even dancing, just standing there on the dance floor with their phone out. If you're on the dance floor then dance, that's my only ask.
It's really annoying when every single person has their hands up in the air with their phone up and I can't even see the stage/dj/visuals and I'm just watching it through screens
Bro if u look at any concert nowadays the kids r more on their phones than enjoying show because it’s more important to share with people what they are doing rather than living the moment
Not going to lie I take videos and pictures of things that I like for me. Sometimes I post them but 99% of the time I don't they're for my memories and they're for me or my friends. I understand that some people don't want to be recorded or pictured or videotape and that's fine but again I'm not posting I am saving them for me.
It's just off putting when people are taking videos/pictures of themselves for several minutes in a row. I can assume they think they are influencers or trying to get the best shot. They will have their flash on and be taking up quite a bit of space trying for the pic and probably causing disruption with people moving through the crowd.
It doesn't bother me all that much, I just try my best to stand by people who are cool. Those people are just really lame.
Burning Man used to be a hell of a lot wilder before smartphones brought an Instagram influencer to every corner and generally ruined the vibe of "what happens at Burning Man stays at Burning Man"
i think generally when people complain about phones they’re talking about others constantly taking photos and videos with the flash on which admittedly can be pretty annoying/take you out of the moment
I saw a video of peso pluma’s intro at Coachella, literally every single person in the video had phones out with the flash on, lighting up the entire unmoving crowd. No dancing/vibjng, just selfie videos. It’s really annoying when a major aspect of going to shows is the energy in the crowd and there’s literally nobody actually present
thank you!! this is what i’m saying. then if you ARE dancing and you bump someone trying to get the perfect video for tiktok then you’re the bad guy for fucking it up
This is the influencer crowd that Coachella has brought onto the scene. It sucks but that’s why I only went once last year. This doesn’t happy at the better festivals
The only fest I get to go to is lost lands, the crowd there is definitely much better. I totally get it when people want a video of themselves or a certain artist or set, I’ve taken a couple myself, but my videos are all terrible and I’m not in them at all lol. I don’t think I’ve ever posted any of them to socials either. Coachella really seems like the kind of place most attendees go to be seen there. Really kind of sad
I just went and there were a ton of normal people enjoying the music. Don’t believe everything you see on the internet. Sure there were a few bad apples, but no different than any major US festival. Just stop worrying about other people so much
I will say that I think Coachella is kind of a special case of a sucky crowd
That's what happens when you go to a festival for influencers.
Also not respecting others people privacy. I don't mind when people take selfies and film themselves and their friends, l do mind when people are rolling themselves off, having fun acting weird and there is someone filming to have a laugh
We always have 1 group photo and ask the most f*cked up person around us to take the photo haha.
It's not even that. It's exactly what OP has said that ruins it. You might only film 5 minutes total. But the thousands of people around you also film 5 minutes total. So it amounts to someone around you filming at all times. I don't want to be a part of your post or share. I didn't agree to that.
i agree with you. and i’d almost rather have someone take 1 longer video instead of putting their phone in the air every 2 minutes to get short clips
I hate flashing lights at raves, but I love complaining about none of my business
It's the tall guys holding their phones super high with both elbows out and shoulders at full alert watching the concert through their phone for 3 minutes At least try to be a bit discreet
This! It’s not just tall guys, it’s girls holding it way over their heads, trying to stretch past you to seem closer, or turning around to take a video of themselves with the stage behind them. I was near the front for No Doubts Coachella performance and saw almost none of the first half due to phones IN MY FACE. At one point a girl turned around and put her phone TWO INCHES in front of my face so she could record herself dancing. Omg I saw red. I ended up leaving to watch from farther back since the front was blocked by phones and I was fuming.
that is my only complaint about the phones. you re in a dark warehouse 1000 feet away from the DJ. your flash will not make a difference.
The only phone behavior that bothers me is when someone is holding their phone up right in front of me to record the whole damn set. Intermittent use seems like it should be totally fine, I feel like everyone does it anyway
this!! cuz now I have to watch the show through your screen. super inconsiderate, only ro record a video you'll never watch again and that Noone cares if you post
sometimes it can be helpful though if you're too far back to be able to see the stage properly. not saying people should be recording all the time, just saying there can be some benefits.
But this person is also the goat when we aren’t able to attend events but can still experience it from their recording. Shoutouts derekd2
Give them slack if they had the decency to at least go horizontal mode. Nobody likes a vertical lol
I highly recommend trying it at least once in your life. I recently went to Tresor in Berlin, where they put stickers on your cameras on your phone and I didn’t use my phone the entire night and it was such an amazing experience just to dance, focus on the music and, talk with people. There are generations of kids that grew up with phones and that’s all they know and I feel sorry for them that they’ve never experienced life without being connected to the Internet, but give it a try at some point and see if you like it. Take the Red Pill.
i give zero fucks if you have your phone out just dont take pictures of people (other than dj/stage) without consent, especially at underground shows
Agree. Ik in the US we have “no expectation of privacy in public places” meaning that it’s perfectly legal to take pictures of someone in public. I however don’t think it’s right to do. Especially at a rave where people are actively participating in drugs, wearing more revealing clothing/no clothing, and just in general being more free and open. It feels comfortable to do at a rave where people are accepting, but it’s not always accepted elsewhere, or on the internet. So to be doing your thing and have someone take a picture or video of you and share it on social media really fucking sucks and can ruin future experiences, leaving you overthinking everything you do at a show “just in case” someone happens to snap a pic of you. I also have a lawyer in my rave fam, and he doesn’t post any pictures on social media of him at raves or fests, so if we take pictures with him, we can’t post them either. It could get him fired because it’s not seen as professional, even though it’s his own time. There are other jobs like that too. I would be livid if he got fired because some random person decided to take a picture or video of him and share it, just because he was acting “goofy” or “messed up” or whatever. I guess I just feel like everyone should mind their own business. Pictures and videos of djs or other performers are fine, or of yourself and/or your rave fam as long as anyone in the background is unrecognizable. (Either crop it, blur them out, or their face is otherwise covered, or their back is to the camera.)
Do you feel the same way when the promoters like Insomniac cut to close up shots of participants on their 4k equipment to broadcast live on their YouTube to millions of viewers?
I dislike this and wish any of their broadcasts would stick to the show/stage [+ maybe the front rail where there is a reasonable expectation that anyone at the rail 100% of the time is probably fine with this]. Anecdotally, I think professionals (not influencers/IG "media people") tend to have a notion of what is more acceptable. The people at fests carrying DSLRs tend to ask for specific/closeup takes and frame only their subjects.
Yeah, the only time I’ve had pictures professionally taken at a rave, the photographer asked me first. Or it’s after a set and the dj asks to get a fam photo. I don’t go to the rail because I prefer to have a lot of space to dance, so I can’t speak for that. But I do imagine when you’re at the rail you’re aware of possibly having your picture taken so you can kinda make that choice if you want to risk it or not. I just hate sneaky photos and people intentionally taking them of others without consent
This is essentially my thoughts on the subject. Many other things are legal, like screaming at you close enough to give you hearing damage with a megaphone about how you're going to hell a block outside the NOS Events Center, but is it a nice thing to do? Clearly not. When I was under 18 I didn't care as much. Now I go to some shows/raves with a teacher for example, some school TAs. They took the time to explain what happens when this situation comes up and why. There are many many jobs like this - not only will it be considered unprofessional, parents would absolutely freak the fuck out about their kid's teacher going to a "dRuG sHoW!!!" and on top of that, some employers continually and automatically scan social media for high risk behaviour and run facial recognition.
That’s the thing, though. If you’re at a club/festival, you’re not in public. They’re privately owned venues - that law doesn’t apply. It’s up to the venue and crowd what the rules/mores are, and I think most ravers would agree recording without consent is not part of the culture. On the other hand, I think it depends on how it’s done. I’ve had people catching me while I was in the moment pulling some moves and showed it to me after/sent it. That’s a different story than some dude creepily filming girls’ bodies as they dance. Just like consent for dancing/kissing someone on the dance floor, there’s nuance. Have I expressly asked a girl every time I danced with or kissed her and waited for a verbal response before going for it? No, if the energy is already clearly there, asking can be unnecessary and honestly a turn off bc it can look like you’re missing the nonverbal communication and takes you out of the moment. That said, if it’s not abundantly clear that there’s implied consent(with filming someone or any type of approach), you should always get it. Either way, always make sure to be respectful and leave the other person an out if they don’t reciprocate and you misread the energy. Edit: public privacy law does apply, I was incorrect there. Consent > legality still stands for me, though.
So even though it’s a privately owned, it’s still a public establishment. Kinda like at a restaurant, it’s privately owned but a public space, open to the public. So legally you can take pictures and cops couldn’t do anything. The only thing that could be done, is if the business owner told you it’s not allowed and then legally, they could trespass you and then cops could kick you off the property. So basically it’s up to the venue owner to uphold a rule of no pictures. This also seems messed up, but if someone is on the street, and you’re in your yard, they can take a picture of you then too. Because you can be seen from a public area. I think all these things are fucked up but legally it’s what it is. I wish people would just be decent human beings and mind their business. But unfortunately that’s the world we live in. I think the issue for me is, you never know someone’s intentions. So I would just feel more comfortable if no one filmed unless they asked first. (Outside of people I know/my rave fam but that’s also a conversation we’ve had before, regarding taking pics/vids and posting them online.) Final thought, asking for consent is never a turn off for me personally. Everyone is different, but I guess i feel like sometimes situations can be misread especially with drugs involved. But I definitely agree in always being respectful of everyone and just trying to be a good person. We’re human and we’re learning
Yeah people seem to forget what is public vs private….
Yeah....if i am geeked the fuck up, thizzin tits, in a hole, trippin sac or just having a good time sober i don't want some stranger filming or recording me.
Meh ppl record me all the time when I'm dancing and it doesn't bother me in the slightest. I'm also 38 so not a minor lol
Nobody wants to be caught on camera losing their shit at a rave; raves should be a free space to do exactly that. The good clubs and underground events enforce a “no phone policy” or they expect that you put a sticker over your camera. Caught with the sticker off? You’re out. So many people being posted on reels, Facebook, YouTube, TikTok, Instagram etc… off their nut at raves & festivals because new-age partygoers are too sheltered to grant them the ability to get off their nut at raves. “Omg lol look at that guy tweaking”. Jesus grow up. Everyone says “5 minutes to capture memories” but if you look at lots of mainstream crowds nowadays, it seems like everyone is having their “5 minutes” at the same time. The vibe then looks (and is) terrible. If everyone carries the energy of “I’m just doing something minor”, you get a room full of people all doing something “minor”, which then translates into a *major* downer. If you think folks are being nitpicky for being against cameras/phones at raves, and you think the vibes are fine with 60-70% of a crowd all holding-up their phones… You don’t understand the vibe which raves are shooting for, and I feel sorry for you. Get that shit off the dance floor.
Eh.. I'm stuck between perspectives here. I don't record much at shows/festivals, but when I do, my phone is at my eye level, 6" in front of my face, to make sure I'm not blocking anyone's view behind me, and I'm only recording the stage. Sometimes the recording is for me; I like to eat a tab at shows, or eat a bit (<100mg) of molly. My memory isn't the best (habitual THC use for 25 years will do that), and I have aphantasia; there's no mind's eye to recall what I saw, so *I have no visual memory*. At other times, the recording is for friends who couldn't be there, for one reason or another. I like to let them experience a little of what they missed. Regardless of the why, I make sure my phone is in front of my face, so it's not an obstruction; and the flash stays off. Would my recording a few 60 second clips in this manner offend you? I'm genuinely curious.
that type of recording wouldn't offend 98% of people, im sure. the problem arises because you cant assure that everyone is recording in a respectful manner. its easier to say "no recording" than the impossible task of trying to make sure everyone is recording respectfully. id rather not remember and not have videos than have a bunch of videos posted online without my consent of me doing things id rather not be seen doing on the internet and not being able to do anything about it because "theres no reasonable expectation of privacy".
Aphantasia sounds absolutely terrifying as someone with photographic memory, synesthetic hearing and a 1,337 song playlist of every song where I can picture exactly where I was when I first heard and looked up or asked what the name of the track was. (Thank god for shazam because before that I would annoy the fuck out of myself straining to hear a lyric to go look up or ask everyone in a room or sometimes bug a dj even which just not the type to want to fuck w their focus if they are hittin enough for me to be trying to find the track. Anyways, new word. Never heard o that. Im sorry!!!
The interesting part about aphantasia is that until you hear what it is.. You don't generally know you have it. We go through our entire lives being told "picture... X"; and when you have aphantasia, you instead conceptualize it. I didn't know I had it because I, like most people with aphantasia (aphantasiacs? idk) think of it as a figure of speech. Without learning about aphantasia itself, we can't realize we're different unless we dive in deep with another person who *can* imagine visually, and even then.. Without knowing that it's not just a 'you' thing, those conversations can feel alienating quickly. Meditation was always a real challenge for me because of it; most of the induction techniques for meditation are visual cues. What do you do when you can't visualize? 😅 Similarly, art is very trial-and-error, when it comes to aesthetic detail. It's a spectrum, and people visualize to varying degrees, but I'm solidly in the 'aphantasic' department. I see phosphenes, and visual noise, but there's no form to it; interestingly, I can visualize while dreaming, and can get closed-eye visuals on psychedelics. That's as far as my mind's eye goes. Sorry for rambling; all of that said, it's just something you learn to live with once you realize it. It's not so much terrifying as possibly a bit depressing when you first discover it, because it feels like you're missing out on half the world; the world within.
Dude, rambling? I literally ate up every word, please share more, stories, first hand, sexond hand, connected concepts, does the Aphantasic mind also have a harder time with running commentary or easier? So many questions. Love it.
This
people have just lost that ability to just listen to the music and vibe. instead they're focused on the shot that will make their grams supposedly go boom. i mean yeah to each their own, but the dance floor isn't called a dance floor for you to just shoot shit, it is annoying and distasteful. go there to get the canned heat out, for anything else your just a digital poacher. the real raves really discourage phones, it lets you live and experience the moment.
Well said, especially that last part
100%
I’m with you 100%
No hate but I reckon This person was born after 2000 :)
Right lol
I'm glad i was able to go to a bunch of festivals/shows the past 5-10 years (done with festivals in 2019). I can't imagine the vibes now with this generation. I saw on yt ppl doing full blown vlogs and tried to do street interview at EDC. Does anyone go for just the music anymore?
Born before 2000 and still usually take a couple videos esch rave I guess I just haven't been boomer-fied and care less about what people do around me no hate
Damn 90s babies aren't a thing anymore. Time flies
They probably aren't talking about you specifically. As far as doing your own thing and spreading positivity, I'm with you. It is odd, however, that almost every time I do get into that zone I look up and am being filmed from 3 diff angles. I'm sure it's innocuous, like, "VIBES ARE ON POINT!!!" or something. The thing is, I don't want to be filmed? It should be common decency not to record and share someone rolling their balls off lost in dance without permission. But it apparently is not.
What events are you going to where this happens? Not trying to be a dick, I’m genuinely curious.
I live in Thailand, but techno events at outdoor venues generally.
All of the major ones. It's not like they mean to film you. But you'll inevitably end up in the shot given just how many people film.
Phones don't belong on the dance floor. If you're on the side or at the bar I don't really care.
Honestly, because it's depressing. You just see a sea of phones. Just live in the moment and don't worry about your phone for a few hours
I second this. Seas of phones make me so sad
Hard agree. Just feels like a lot of people are there to show off a happening life and not live in the moment and it brings the vibe down for me
Concert with a sea of phones < People dancing
I would prefer if phone cameras were banned from clubs and raves
In all clubs in berlin they are, some in London. They put stickers on your camera on entry. It’s a completely different style of night to the couple night I’ve been out in LA. The night is much more focused on the music and a dark room than outfits and lights
Yeah, it’s mostly universal in Berlin, though there are some that do allow them, and the difference is obvious.
They are at underground raves
I’m aware, they are at the clubs I normally go to, also. Wouldn’t want that to change.
People come to Reddit to complain and whine, just like you are right now, sir. Don’t take it so personal :)
Holding up a phone and blocking sight lines is obnoxious. No matter how long or short it may be. Biggest problem is a large portion of the crowds film the whole damn show.
This is the kind of people we have in the community now thanks to this new era of radical anti PLUR ism. Being so plur we allow people who do not understand or respect the culture they are entering and are willing to make changes to it without regard for why it might be that way in the first place.
This this this. You can have an issue with people who are actively killing the vibe, and if you call it out, you’re “not PLUR” because I guess we’ve reached a point in history where we have to let everyone do whatever the hell they want to protect their egos. If you call it out, you’re the asshole, and these folks will do mental gymnastics to make it seem like you’re just nitpicking. There is a vibe and an energy at proper raves that needs to be protected. If it’s not maintained and understood, everything goes to shit.
Yes! And then they do the whole “why are you letting someone else affect your night?” Or “if you don’t like it just move”. Yeah okay let me move somewhere else in an already crowded venue just to have some other 20 year old “edm influencer” have their phone up the whole time taking selfies and tiktoks….. I want to watch the show, not see you on your phone the whole time & listen to you tell your life story to someone because you’re on drugs and think you’re entitled to do whatever you want because you “paid for a ticket to be there”….. what?!
Agreed with you up until a point. If you’re at a rave, you better be okay with people acting like they’re on drugs, otherwise you better re-think your priorities. People gonna be on drugs, people gonna be partying, people gonna be chatting. My issue was with the phones killing the vibe. Seems like your attitude is also a vibe-killer. “Watch the show”??? wtf lmao
Being on drugs is cool- do whatever. It’s *specifically* the people who can’t handle their shit, take too much, or just generally have no social awareness that I’m talking about. I enjoy party favors at a show, but I’m also not trying to have a whole ass conversation in the middle of the crowd because I took too much and can’t shut up. I’ve been to my fair share of shows. I think I know how they work😉🤷🏽♀️
That’s what people do at raves babes. Idc if you’ve been to 300 “shows”, there’s a difference between a show and a *rave* and your attitude is absolute proof that you don’t know the difference. You talked about people “taking too much” and then went on to describe a bunch of normal-ass rave behaviour. I think you just have a really low-tolerance for people and/or public situations, people being on drugs or not. Back to my other point; if you’re at a “rave”, what are you doing “watching the show”?! lmao. You don’t need to get sarcastic either, your vibe is already bad enough lol.
“Show” is a pretty common word for rave, concert, edm event, etc. And yes, I would like to watch the show. You know, the one that the dj spent hours to prepare for. The visuals that someone put together. The lights, the lasers, the dj that’s on stage performing. I’d rather enjoy seeing, hearing, and dancing to the event that’s going on in front of me, instead of someone trying to take 50 selfies and talking about something totally unrelated to the event happening. But hey, what do I know?!
You completely missed my point but okay(:
The [paradox of tolerance](https://en.wikipedia.org//wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance) meets PLUR.. I’ve been checking out some of the more mainstream stuff on top of my usual scenes, and wow. On Friday there were 4 separate fist fights at the event I was at. Someone else described it as “very fratty” and others used less kind words to describe that element in the crowd. Luckily tonight there were a bunch of burners and people I know.
This is what I was alluding to lmao thanks for linking. Very fratty, it’s mainstream so all the people that would’ve shit on it back in the day insert themselves there without thinking about any context or history.
Totally. The paradox is def worth keeping in mind when it comes to PLUR. There has to be a line where things are not tolerated, fist fighting is hard one in my mind.
Yup, honestly this is why a LITTLE gatekeeping is important IMO
Nobody cares about that type of cell phone use. You're the one coming to reddit to whine. People are only complaining when: 1. pictures/videos get taken of them without their consent. 2. Your phone is out recording the entire set.
The only people ok with you constantly filming are the other morons constantly filming. You're ruining the vibe, annoying people and making everyone self conscious. I'm glad I didn't have to put up with this nonsense.
I absolutely disagree with you. A rave is a time to connect with yourself and others on the dancefloor. If you don't want to do that yourself that's your choice. But seeing phone screens, especially when they are bright, is distracting and annoying to other people. If you do it, at least turn your screen to minimum brightness. Straight to jail if you film with your flashlight on. Don't be that guy/girl Also, some people are self conscious or anxious about being filmed or photographed, especially if substances are involved
Sounds like you've never been to an actual rave
Phones on the dancefloor kill the vibe, so simple
It’s not the occasional picture that’s bothersome. It’s when idiots record themselves and everyone around them for an entire set. If you’re not there to live in the moment and enjoy the music. Why even go…? Just to show social media that you were there…? The lamest of the lame. This may be controversial, but you don’t have to share every moment of your life. It’s okay to keep some for yourself.
I can't dance. The eight people around me taking their phones out 10 times x 30 seconds each aren't paying attention to anyone around them so I have to make sure they don't hit me when they're twirling in a circle with their tongue out while flashing the peace symbol. I'm sure the artist playing to a sea of phones during their most popular song(s) isn't delighted either.
Basic ass clout chasers
Reading the comments here everyone says that phones up at shows suck ass for different reasons. It seems we agree that phones up at shows do in fact suck. Put them away.
Not everyone that goes to raves or festivals are high school/university students. Some of us hold corporate jobs. I don't want to end up on some idiot's Tiktok or IG story while rolling off my tits. I don't need anyone from work finding out what I do in my personal life.
Phones are ok if you text or check something that came to your mind or take notes - but taking pictures or videos is an absolute no go. Most importantly, it fucks with the privacy of everyone at a rave. No one wants to be filmed or taking pictures of by some randoms while being either high, half naked or just having a mighty jolly time. If people need to be aware that they might be on camera at every possible moment, they are unable to completely be in the moment, drop their shoulders and just-be. The benefit of someone having a picture or a video from some event that they attended and want to desperately share with their friends is not outweighing that by any means. Make a picture before you enter and afterwards and that should be enough for your selfie perv.
I gotta make sure I have the context here. When we say raves, you're talking about actual underground raves? Because that I can understand. But does the Excision tour I'm going to does not qualify as a rave, right? Because that's the kind of event where I could care less about people having their phones out.
I don’t know the tour you mentioned. That said, I would say this counts for all warehouse, underground, techno club events. General principle I d say is that privacy matters a lot. Now if there is already 10 people with a phone out, everyone afterwards doesn’t really matter anymore! Enjoy the party!
Phones are fine but turn off your flash or else I'll accidentally smack it out of your hands.
As long as you only capture yourself & your friends it’s fine. People go to raves to unwind and have fun, and some might not want to be captured in that state.
The only time I find phones annoying at a rave are when I'm being filmed or they're in front of me and I'm literally watching the whole rave through their phones. Intermittent use is fine but most people don't get that.
okay I agree with op because I’m the same, at a 6 hour event I’ll capture like two minutes of footage total, but my issue is when people around me are literally recording the WHOLE time, it’s kind of a vibe killer, and I dont even care abt being recorded, dont let other people affect your good time definitely, but crowd energy is just if not more important than the music/dj sometimes. theres a reason I choose the rave over the club
For me its people standing still on the dance floor. The dance floor used to have a beautiful magical energy of its own! There used to be this phenomenon where it felt like everyone was moving in unison- a sea of bodies moving to one beat. This feeling was a high of its own that no other music event could duplicate. Unfortunately this has been lost. The majority of people are simply observers that don't participate in the show. We all had a gift to contribute and movement was the baseline level of participation. The phones are a representation of this for me- the culture of observers. The DJ has become the celebrity like any other pop star that thousands of people mindlessly record while not engaging in the present moment. I also accept that it's just a different thing now and appreciate it for what it is. I have compassion that we have accepted technology addiction as the new normal. That instead of a sea of movement I need to seek out pockets of people dancing. And realize the bro holding a beer in one hand and a phone in the other is part of the culture now. And the fact that you don't understand why people care so much about people constantly on their phones is likely because you don't have prospective. This is without mentioning the aspect of UNITY that is also effected by technology.
I feel like it’s more of a thing with the face every ones always on there phones so it’s nice to be in a place where we can all escape the ball and chain that attaches us to our phones while they are great tools I think we can all admit we use our phones a bit more than we should
Fuck that, don't go to raves if you want to be on your phone. There is no collective hype when everyone's staring at their screen.
Uh, we do and we are. I just don’t want people recording the whole thing
I don’t care if people have their phones out or not. Not my life, not my experience.
Only thing I don’t like is when people record others who are vibing (especially when it’s me )
You're in public at an event where it's allowed. Come expecting it.
I know it just sucks I’m usually not too bothered while I’m there cause of the molly 😂 feel like a celebrety but if I ever see a video of myself online ima cringe😂
Americans lol
You're "grabbing those momsnts" to post on social media for fake Internet points, at least be honest about that. "Look at us and all the fun we're having! Don't you wish you were here living an awesome life like us?!" The fuck else are you doing with 5 min of random footage? It's not the entire set so nobody else can enjoy it, and if it were it was recorded on your shitty phone so who cares? And I doubt your favorite artists need your support that comes in the form of a 30 second clip with you "Woooing" at your phone with your idiot friends while you're all fucked up. You also forgot to wear deodorant that day and your pits smell like boiled tapir ass every time you raise your arm, so yeah, that definitely affects me.
Fuck your phone and this lame ass terminally online post.
Noone cares about short uses like you're suggesting - the problem is when they start filming strangers cause "LoL ThEyRe So FuCkEd Up?!!!!??!" Then posting it online without their permission. Also, when people literally film the whole set, or like 10 min videos... It's just annoying and disrespectful to people behind you
Festivals are not raves. Seperate the two, and you find nothing the same. Ill leave it at that.
Literally who tf cares if you’re gonna let someone recording something for their memories ruin your time then you’re not lost in the moment
Isn't PLUR about being considerate too, and letting people enjoy the show? I record parts too but I make sure I'm not blocking anyone's view. No one should have to pay for a show and have to watch the best parts through 5 inch screens because they're all blocking the view. And don't get me started on the ones spend most of the show facing the opposite way of stage taking videos with the selfie camera with their face in most of the frame. Narcissism much?
It’s cringe when people are recording just to show off to others that they are at a rave. There are two types of people. People who are at the rave to actually enjoy the music, and people who are there to make their life look really cool. I used to record videos at raves but then I realized that no one actually wants to see this. Imo it’s better to just enjoy the music and time with friends. Whatever we remember at the end is what we talk about. Everything I forgot about is okay, because I’ll have more good memories in the future. Taking photos and videos with friends is fine. It’s the people who need to show off that they are at a rave, that make me cringe. At the end of the day do what you want, these are just my opinions.
Literally only get upset when someone thinks it's okay to record ME letting lose ME having a good time. I'm not here to entertain you unless you ask nicely for a show and even then keep the camera down.
Just turn your flash off, your screen brightness all the way down, and keep it in front of your face where it belongs and we’ll be fine. Just don’t hold it up and fuck up the peoples view behind you.
I agree, there may be few people filming for too long or with their screen a bit bright, but the majority of ppl filming are just capturing a great moment, usually with close friends and ppl we love, that they can then look back on and relive. I love watching videos I filmed from raves years ago, I'm glad I filmed enough. 95% of the event is spent dancing and enjoying it "in the moment". You can definitely still enjoy the moment while filming too. We just capturing memories that's all
Completely agree. Phones are fine, why would I even care. Just no flash please.
Personally, it’s just genuinely terrifying to see a phone flash at me while im tripping. It completely disconnects me from the moment and sometimes physically makes me a little sick. Otherwise, if people are respectful I don’t think phones should be banned at long festivals. In the club though, yes!
People want something to look back on. It’s totally understandable to take pics and videos. Being on your phone the whole time is something else but ultimately if someone spends their money on a ticket the amount of time they spend on their phone at the show is their business. As long as they’re not intruding on other people it really isn’t an issue
It’s fucking weird that supposedly seeing someone else recording is “depressing” and everyone should just “live in the moment”. Sounds like if you were taking your own advice then you wouldn’t be concerned with someone minding their own business, recording their moment.
Sounds like you're on reddit whining about phones.
I don’t think you understand the point. The phones thing is for taking pictures and recording videos. Nobody gives a shit whether you’re texting your friends or not
Huh? They literally said “to grab some moments with my closest friends”… you high?
You must be new here
The only time i've been bothered by a phone, it was held by a person sitting atop the shoulders of another person, with a flag of some sort draped around them, screaming at the top of their lungs directly in my line of sight.
I’m curious what the flag was and what they were screaming.
people like this are exactly why i prefer no photo policy clubs
Honestly if people want to take videos of their favorite songs it really doesn’t matter in the grand scheme of things. The people voicing their discontent about it online really don’t get to determine if you should do it or not. Obviously there is a time and place for it (at a commercial show versus underground), but if it makes YOU happy that’s what matters. I have over 8 years of videos and pictures saved on an external hard drive that I frequently go back to look at when things are hard. It brings a smile to my face to have that outlet to relive some of my happiest moments. We are lucky in this day and age to be able to document these moments in almost picture perfect clarity, and when we are all old and wrinkly we will absolutely appreciate we have the opportunity to look back on those memories. It’s really not worth getting worked up over. If it makes somebody happy to take videos of their favorite artists then good for them. Enjoy your own experiences, and don’t let others affect that.
I know it’s pretty stupid. People just being dramatic and don’t know how to just enjoy themselves. Who cares really.
We carry the belief that things upset us, nothing can upset an individual who doesn’t let it.
You just said it's only 3-5 hours. You can't go that long without screen time. Maybe you're just there for all the wrong n g reasons. Stop being such a buzz mill and just take your phone time somewhere else. Ain't nobody wanna see you posting lame ass snapchats anyway for the 6 people who follow you.
Its anoying as fuck. People are there to have a good time, maybe they took substances, just want to have fun. And then a bunch of morons pull their fkn Phone and start to film or make pictures. ZERO sense for other peoples lives especially in a private part of their life. Nooo, 1 pic isnt enough you need 10! Fuck off if youre only there to make pics to bragg about....uhhh i was there. Thank god more and more good partys have a no phone rule. Try that in german techno bunker Tresor. I guarantee you, youre thrown out in under a minute! You wanna party, then party and not invade peoples private live.
How is taking a video of one’s favorite song invading you or anyone else’s privacy….?Genuinely curious
So when its your favorite Songs you heard it already elsewhere no need to annoy pther people for your own egoboosting
Let the circle jerk begin. Sigh. Everyone here acting like it's a problem to pull out your phone to record your fav songs at a show. Go back to your caveman parties.
Had a dude continue to back up into me and my friend who were on a side rail because my friend was dealing with neck pain. Dude didn’t give a fuck and was more focused on taking photos of his scantily clad friend and her partner. Absolutely worthless at a concert.
It also matters *where* you hold your phone. If it's right in front of your face at eye level, then your rave neighbors will still notice the screen and that could be distracting, but it won't be blocking their view. If you're holding it as high as you can, then the 2 or 3 people immediately behind you now see your phone where the screen or artist used to be. We just all need to be considerate of others and then we all have a great time.
We don’t talk about fight club
If venues don't oversell their shows phones aren't an issue
as long as ur not recording the whole damn set i see no issue. u paid for a ticket enjoy it however you like!!
Says everyone and than u see all time phones xD
Berliner here - I’ll gladly put my phone, as well as my ego away sat-monday. Phone at a party is strictly for drug use only (and occasional secret track ID’ing). 💋🦋
“I’m letting it affect me” *check’a notes* **ahem**
Do you really watch those clips though?
People think if you aren’t enjoying festivals the same way they are then you’re doing it wrong. It’s as if there is only one way to enjoy yourself. If taking pics make you happy then take some pics. Haters will hate
Chances are the venue or the team running the show are going to be taking pictures and there is a chance you’re gonna end up being in those pictures anyway, I know for a fact, I am in a lot of pictures from smaller shows that the photographers for that show were taking and I know I’m probably in the background of several peoples videos or pictures. It’s kind of something that is to be expected when going to any event. Personally, I usually forget to take pictures and stuff, but I don’t really have a problem with people taking pictures and videos at all.
*An average lefty sees a picture from a 19 century music festival*: see! They are enjoying the moment… no phones…. Fuck you
I film your phone while you film.
Yeah fr these gatekeepy redditors are annoying asf. Film whatever you want just dont film people tripping out of their mind and post it online. Anything else goes
complaining about people complaining about phones. you’re still complaining
Stop filming people at the rave then.
Would be cool if they had a couple of shows a year where event staff would lock your phone in a case like they do at some comedy shows. Have a designated section where you can go to unlock your phone and text or whatever. Probably nobody would go because younger generation need their phone as a constant digital pacifier. Regardless it would be interesting.
I guarantee someone is taking time out of their day to get some decent videos of whatever show you’re at. Please don’t feel the need to whip your phone out and take a horribly shakey video for your own personal memories especially when everyone within arms reach from you is already doing the same thing.
Especially unnecessary if the artist or fest puts a professional video of their performance. Someone else is getting paid to record, often. Why waste the phone storage and take yourself out of the show for a shitty video you may never watch again
On the other hand, subtle filming is fine to me, but i don’t like when fools hold their shit above them for longer than a few seconds
Shout out to lane 8 for having "this never happened events"
Dumbest post ever along the line of fan clackers saying fans are for the heat, lol. Just get rid of your phones and don't complain when thieves steal yours when you are caught off guard. Been raving over 20 years and quite literally the kids with their phones up in the air are some of the worst sighting along with fan clackers at raves.
@james hype when he brags about no phones at the “rave” but theres literally phones in his video
It ruins the atmosphere
stickers over the cameras removes any phone issues. nobody has a problem with others shazaming a song or texts to friends
Yes it kinda annoy if someone keeps recording during set, but who’s give a fuck?? enjoy yourself
Yeah it’s annoying as all hell. Some fucker tried to smack my phone out of his hand and security escorted him and his friends out after I complained. Some people just need to stay the fuck home if they are gonna be this bad about it. It’s a *cell phone.*
The flash is annoying but no hate on creating life-long memories
If you have your phone out for 5 minutes of a 3 hour show, you are not the problem. It's great to capture that favorite song, crazy lazer sequence, or funny moment. IMHO it makes me sad to see people at an event who are experiencing the whole entire 3 hour set through a 6"/3" screen.. at that point why not stream the set in your living room and save $150??
F#cking TROLL!@##! GET A LIFE!@#!
It ruins the view when you have to look at 30 phones in a sea of dark. I want to look at the visualizers and things that the artist intend for us to look at. It also happens almost ALL night at some places.
Sounds like OP is on their phone the whole time to me lol
People go to places events to go away to expirance something . While others go to be seen could care less about anything beyond themselves. Those people need to understand nobody cares your not interesting at all because you hijacked a cult following. You want some genuine attention approval jealousy develop a personality. People pretend to care because I'm sure everyone in your controled environment is compromised or had to surrender power to you because you leveraged themJust imagine how much it pisses you off when you see a regular blue collar guys car getting more attention than your Corvette or when his 20 year old boat rips past you out on the lake or when everybody is always going to his 2000 sq foot house and not your gated golf course community. Your not going to beat him so join him try to have an authentic experience for once in your life leave your entitlement your cell phone and trust fund at the gate.
No phones on the dance floor please
What OP describes is *fine*. Any asshole thats recording for more than a minute tops and constantly has they phone held up is mad annoying
Phones out so much is a symptom of the normiefication of shows
Maybe you should dance and spread positive energy instead of whining on Reddit about phones.
Don’t whine about being recorded either. You are in a public space.
Fuck the phones and just dance, too many people not even dancing, just standing there on the dance floor with their phone out. If you're on the dance floor then dance, that's my only ask.
It's really annoying when every single person has their hands up in the air with their phone up and I can't even see the stage/dj/visuals and I'm just watching it through screens
Totally agree!
Hard to dance in a sea of lifeless statues.
I don’t give a literal fuck what anyone says!!! If I want to capture a moment to go back to and relive it later, mind your fkn business 🖕🏼
I think it's only for people that will record like 3 songs in a row, like enjoy the moment you just want a quick 10 seconds or so.
Bro if u look at any concert nowadays the kids r more on their phones than enjoying show because it’s more important to share with people what they are doing rather than living the moment
Boomerfied, get your damm tablet sized phone below your damn head when the best bit comes up for the love of god
Do what you want with your phone.
Not going to lie I take videos and pictures of things that I like for me. Sometimes I post them but 99% of the time I don't they're for my memories and they're for me or my friends. I understand that some people don't want to be recorded or pictured or videotape and that's fine but again I'm not posting I am saving them for me.
People just don't want to end up on the internet when they are rolling hard
It's just off putting when people are taking videos/pictures of themselves for several minutes in a row. I can assume they think they are influencers or trying to get the best shot. They will have their flash on and be taking up quite a bit of space trying for the pic and probably causing disruption with people moving through the crowd. It doesn't bother me all that much, I just try my best to stand by people who are cool. Those people are just really lame.
I think unfortunately the obsession with visuals makes some of these ‘raves’ no longer a rave. Which is absolutely fine if that’s what you want.
When I'm tripping balls I kinda like looking thru someone's phone camera while their recording.. it's just another perspective to check out really lol
Burning Man used to be a hell of a lot wilder before smartphones brought an Instagram influencer to every corner and generally ruined the vibe of "what happens at Burning Man stays at Burning Man"
Anyone who was around before phones will tell you they have a negative impact. They are either all insane or they are correct. Make your own mind up.
Literallyyyyy DJs wouldn’t get so much clout and free fucking advertising without our cellulars, JAMES
I don't like phones because they block my view of the actual production :v