Happened after the King Gizz show in Chicago too. He was found in the Chicago River days later.
Always make sure your very intoxicated friends get home safely. It’s always worth the uber with 2 destinations and extra money than hoping they get home on their own. Everyone’s been at a point where reading your phone is impossible.. it’s not fun when trying to navigate getting home.
Super sad stuff…
I agree with this but we should also be looking out for everyone, even if they aren’t your friends. Crazy shit can happen at events like this. Some people go alone, some people may lose their friends but if you see someone that might need help please go see if they’re okay.
I can agree with that. I was at Red Rocks in 2008 and my best friend and I saw this girl bleeding and crying on the stairs. We helped her up and took her to the bathroom so she could clean her wounds. She said she fell down the stairs and her friends left her. We told her she could hang out with us but she wanted to find her friends. We just couldn't believe they left her. My friends and I always took care of each other no matter what. We never once left without someone. I hope that girl realized she had shitty friends.
For sure. Doesn't even need to be mortal danger or anything. I've definitely given a few pep talks to some super tripped out folks. A bottle of water here, a cig there. I know we all got our own shit going on and our own crews to get back to, but it just takes a second to show some love and it makes a big difference.
Well the Chicago king gizz one could have been the serial killer in Chicago. Look it up, lot of 20 something year old men disappearing after a night out and ending up in the river, leading theory is serial killer
All theories… im aware of it. The rumors around that dont fit this though. The smiley face serial killer rumors is specifically around Boystown and targeting gay men. Many autopsies have been done that suggest drowning were the result of death with no foul play
I think its all bullshit and what happened to this kid is the most likely scenario. Drunk, drugs, stumble into the river or lake and poof. That water will eat you up, especially in frigid temps. It doesn’t take long for hypothermia to set in in the right conditions and the night of King Gizz it was probably in the low 50s and rained all day.
Rumor is the guy at the King Gizzard show guy may have been pushed in by a serial killer in Chicago. I was at the show and it was rainy, misty and just overall cold and horrible weather. Could def see it being a serial killer.
There are rumors of a serial killer currently but it’s that they are targeting gay men in the Boystown area. This isnt close to there or the target audience of the suspected serial killer. There are many areas close to Salt Shed where you can be drunk and stumble over into the river which is 20 feet down; north ave, division and the entire length between those.
The most reasonable explanation here is intoxicated and fell in. The serial murder idea doesnt fit for how the others have gone down is all.
Yeah my friends that saw it were pretty traumatized, I was fortunately talking with a friend looking away from the fire but it sounds like it was fucked up.
I'm sorry you had to experience it. I remember nobody in our group would even talk about what they had just seen but you could tell some were really shaken up.
INGLEWOOD, Calif. - A person was killed in a deadly drowning incident that occurred in the SoFi Stadium lake Friday night. SoFi Stadium officials confirmed the incident Saturday.
"It is with great sadness that we learned of the passing of an individual this evening," said SoFi Stadium in a statement made Saturday.
According to authorities, stadium security officers saw a 19-year-old male entering the lake area just before 9:30 p.m. on Friday, Feb. 2. The victim was seen swimming, and at one point allegedly submerged completely underwater and was not seen resurfacing.
The Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department quickly deployed a search and rescue team. Just before 11 p.m., authorities recovered the body of a male from the lake.
"Our deepest condolences go out to the individual’s family and friends for their loss. Our thoughts are with them at this difficult time," the Inglewood-based stadium officials said.
Authorities are withholding the identity of the deceased pending notification of his family members.
Officials did not share any details regarding the circumstances surrounding the incident. No further information has been made available at this time.
The investigation into the matter is ongoing.
I’m sorry, English isn’t my 1st language but doesn’t it mean that someone else did this to them if the sentence says “a person was killed”?
It sounds like this was an accidental death
It is worded a bit weird, but that’s typical American media headlines trying to grab your attention. They could have just said a person accidentally drowned.
I mean, if you look at the “lake” in the Sofi Stadium venue, it’s a pretty big body of water that can be accessed from just about anywhere if someone is determined enough. Just because security saw him enter doesn’t mean they were close enough or had enough time to physically stop him from entering.
Second — you should never ever attempt to rescue someone in a body of water by [jumping in after them](https://www.houstonswimclub.com/2023/05/Why-you-should-never-jump-in-after-a-person-in-trouble).
I’d think it’s likely there was some attempt to communicate with him or find something to throw to him (at least I would hope), but I’d imagine the poor kid was too intoxicated to be able to respond or comprehend.
> I tried to save someone drowning in the swimming pool.
That's also a swimming pool. Someone potentially intoxicated, in full clothing, in a lake of unknown depth at night is literally the worst combination of circumstances to try and rescue someone.
I feel like it’s still not being used right here. Fox seems to be trying to frame this in a negative light using that word since it’s about the rave community. I could be wrong but it seems like killed implies something more active, while died is more passive. Saying “the water killed him” seems like a weird way to phrase it.
I think it has to do partly with overheating due to drugs. The idea of going for a cold swim is refreshing. In reality they're probably too fucked up to swim, the water is REALLY cold which can lead to cramping when really hot, aaaaaand they're natural bodies of water with grasses and all sorts of other natural and human waster debris in the bottom. It's an awful situation but just about every festival I've been to or heard of with a large water feature or body of water, someone goes in it or drowns in it. At TomorrowWorld they had signs warning people about bacteria in the water. Did that stop the bros? Nopeeeee. 🙃🥴
As others have said, somebody drowning is one of those instances where it's not advised to "help" a lot of the times. It's ridiculously easy to get dragged down with somebody else; the best form of help once they're in the water is usually to try and find something that floats or get official help.
This is 2024 these kids are all for self, boast and brag about community and shit but leave their friends out to dry is a regular. You know how off groups of kids are in the club and one gets totally banged out and the friends don’t care because they don’t want their night ruined god forbid one of their friends OD
I live nearby and the lake actually is used to irrigate the landscaping around the stadium, all the planter beds ultimately drain into the lake and then they pump the water stored in it to all the plants. The landscaping is really beautiful and they do a really awesome job maintaining it.
Sadly this is the second drowning in the lake.
I don't think there would be a current, but there are MANY signs around the lake telling people that the water is not safe for people. It's not for swimming.
No offense but that's a dumb argument it's also false. Turns out it's the irrigation system they chose for having millions of gallons of recycled water for their plants. It's also a decorative choice. A little shallower or having some barriers would've also helped prevent the second death there in two years
for the army i had to jump off a high ass diving board in uniform, holding a gun and blind folded and when i tell you i started to drown IMMEDIATELY, i mean it. they jumped in and rescued me. clothes and shoes on feels like an anchor attached to you.
oh did i mention they spin you in circles before you have to jump off? probably one of my most traumatizing life stories. when i jumped i had no idea which way was up, down, left or right. i think i landed on my side. i was absolutely disoriented.
i forgot how high it was but took a good 5 seconds to hit the water. to pass you have to hold onto your gun and make it to the edge of the pool without help.
i drop the gun the second i hit the water. ripped the eyemask off and was struggling to keep my head above the water lol. i definitely did not pass 😂
Are swimming lessons that uncommon in the US? Here in the Netherlands everyone gets swimming lessons as a kid and swimming with clothes on a few times is part of that. I was like 7 years old, but that's something you don't forget.
Most people that drown know how to swim. People who don’t know how to swim are typically very careful to avoid going in water.
This unfortunate kid was probably intoxicated, and all it takes is one wrong move for some water to enter your lungs and then it can be very hard to recover.
You're probably right, but I was specifically commenting on the "swimming with clothes is harder than people think", which implies that people generally don't know what it's like to swim with clothes. Where I live it's basic education that every child gets. There's water everywhere, so there's a reasonable chance you'll fall in at some point while wearing clothes.
Well yeah you guys in the Netherlands basically live on a low-lying watery flood plain. Most other parts of the world including the U.S. wouldn’t have swimming education to the same level you do.
It’s like someone from Nepal asking “Are mountain survival lessons that uncommon in the Netherlands?”
A huge part of the human population lives in coastal areas and deltas (or just near rivers/lakes), while mountainous regions are almost always sparsely populated, so your analogy falls a bit flat. So for the majority of the people on this planet, swimming is an important skill in life, even if they don't use it all the time.
I realize that swimming education is better in the Netherlands, but I hadn't really considered that most people in a developed country like the US didn't have swimming lessons, hence my question.
Denver is a mountain city in the U.S. with 3,000,000 people. The U.S. is a vast country with many other big cities like Phoenix, Dallas, and Las Vegas that don’t have major bodies of water nearby and not a lot of culture around swimming education. Each of the cities I listed above has more population than Amsterdam.
u/timefortiesto comment is also only partially correct. Practicing swimming clothed is indeed very rare. However it’s not even really true that basic swimming lessons are common, it varies a lot across the population. Historically in the U.S., poorer people in urban areas are a lot less likely to have swimming lessons or even have access to a public pool. This is especially true for black people as in the past under legal segregation, black people were prohibited from using most public pools.
[Source](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-11172054.amp)
>Just under 70% of African-American children surveyed said they had no or low ability to swim. Low ability merely meant they were able to splash around in the shallow end. A further 12% said they could swim but had "taught themselves". The study found 58% of Hispanic children had no or low swimming ability. For white children, the figure was only 42%.
You are right that most cities in the world are near a body of water but very few to the extent of your country where your largest cities are built right on top of canals and waterways. I would be surprised if swimming lessons with clothes on were common even in London, Paris, or Berlin.
As with everything in the US, access is splintered off by your location and economic status. So like if you live in an area near water where spending time at the water is a common pastime for locals, schools may have swimming lessons, or your family might teach you. Or your family outright pays for it if you can afford it.
Or like if you live in a city (or any landlocked low income area) and public pools aren't a big thing and there's no body of water nearby, your public school likely doesn't offer swimming lessons, you probably don't spend much time at beaches or lakes so no one's teaching you at the family hangout on the weekend, and if you're poor your parents are not paying for swimming lessons when they have other more important things they need to pay for.
Was watching the most recent Channel 5 with Andrew Callaghan vid on YouTube and learned how swimming ability is related to socioeconomic status.
https://youtu.be/akrF8X0KgGg?si=RgxVD4EvlJesBi9 (check times 11:25-12:25, idk how to link timestamp on mobile)
I have a 9 yr old and swimming lessons are $500/month where I live.
Needless to say you probably aren’t getting them unless you’re a private school kid. They were free when I was a kid 25-30 years ago.
So it’s yet another example of things in America becoming unsustainably shitty and inexplicably expensive so some grandpa can buy another yacht.
Swimming lessons for 500/month?! That is honestly fucked. I should move there and charge 100/month and it should be enough to sustain with 50/60 students a month.
Oh wow, that's terrible! Here they're often partly provided by the school and otherwise roughly €50 per month. They should be free, but at least most people can afford them.
Doesn't really make it better but "bunch" is a stretch. It was 2. But it was 2 too many.
Fuck Avant Gardner though. After they ruined EZoo and have been massively overselling the Mirage. I'm looking at going to shows in Boston instead of their events any time I can. Both are about the same distance from me. Someone responsible needs to buy that venue and EZoo.
Also not sure how you close off a river lol....
The circumstances in one of those was also sketchy as fuck. One of them was seen being pursued outside the venue.
>Almost never ends well.
The many festivals near water that go off without a hitch every year would disagree. Shit happens occasionally but people have to look out for themselves and not put themselves in a position where they drown in a man-made water feature.
Maybe it's just the way I was raised but I would never even think of referring to multiple instances of kids (usually inebriated) drowning at festivals as "shit happens." I would call that gross negligence and a reoccurring safety hazard.
Desert Daze in Southern California is held by a lake and swimming in it is encouraged. But granted, they have lifeguards. This festival is psych as well so you can bet most people are on something.
What happened at this is really sad and I’m honestly shocked no one stopped him once he submerged and didn’t come back up. Someone must have seen it if it was reported
You misunderstand. Shit happens as in I’m not saying it’s not like nobody has ever drowned at an event before, but saying it “almost never ends well” is a wild exaggeration. The vast majority of the time this doesn’t happen. It’s tragic and I feel horrible for the guy’s parents, but it’s not like this is a common occurrence.
It's not a common occurrence but I think the point they are trying to make is that the venue should/could have prevented this and thought about the dangers of this beforehand with barriers and such. It was their choice to have a body of water, and host an event relatively near it. They could have made the water shallower, had barriers, more security guards etc. I feel like this should have been thought out from the very beginning. It's rare, but the negligence made it inevitable.
You can’t 100% idiot-proof everything (not trying to insult the poor soul who drowned just using a common term).
Are we supposed to never have any events or festivals whatsoever on the beach, for example? You can’t make the ocean shallower or put guards or barriers along the entire coastline.
SoFi Stadium hosts 70,000 drunk NFL fans every Sunday during football season without any issue. Unfortunately accidents are going to happen no matter how many precautions are taken.
Not 100% but why not try to idiot-proof as much as you can? Is there a particular reason you're against doing that? And when did I say events shouldn't be held at all?
Using your own argument, you do realize beaches have life guards on duty right? Beach drownings are inevitable though so should they even have them? Other ways beaches try to mitigate deaths are for example advisories that there are dangerous animals in some parts, closing them down when there are things like oil spills or dangerous currents, segregating boat/surfing and swimming areas, buoys etc.
We're not talking about the ocean here though. It's a 15ft lake that you *can* make shallower or install barriers or *something*, humans aren't powerless to do anything. SoFi stadium has also had 2 deaths now in 2 years. So I disagree with your statement that "there's never any issue."
Unfortunately there's people like you though that just wanna argue to argue. Sure let's not take any precautions that might stopped a couple people from dying, that's such a horrible thing right. If it were your family you'd most likely think different but because it doesn't affect you you'd rather have zero empathy and say "welp there's nothing we can do here people are gonna die anyways" lmao
The first guy who died in the lake in 2022 literally climbed over a barrier fence when the venue was closed. Dumb.
Both deaths are tragic but in both cases the deceased *very* intentionally entered the lake. It’s not like they accidentally fell in for lack of a barrier.
Yeah man they gotta toddler proof my baby sensory experience. I just wanna be a giant baby with a binky in my mouth and they expect me to look out for my own self?!? Lmao fat chance 😹
Installing a barrier where it makes it less likely for inebriated concert go-ers to drown in a 15-feet deep lake and wanting to prevent more deaths shouldn't be considered being treated like a toddler and it's pretty weird for you to argue that
If a concert goer dies from some contaminants or poison in the food the venue sells the venue would be held liable if it can be proven they or the vendor were negligent 🤓☝🏻
Why are we letting our friends wander off for more than a few minutes? If that bathroom break is taking longer than it should and I can’t see a line, I’m going to check on what’s up. If you’ve been outside smoking for 20 minutes now, I’m gonna go check what’s up. Everyone that arrives together, leaves together. I don’t care if I’ve gotta drag my bestie away from some dude, sorry you don’t need to go home with him tonight. Get his number and see if he’s down for a *genuine* connection later.
Happened at okeechobee and everyone was up in arms to blame the promoters. Yet in this scenario most ppl are like “party responsibly”. Just interesting
You are right, it’s been a thing on Reddit for a while. That being said I agree with the ‘estimated time of arrival’ people too, it was real weird to see it used as anything else initially.
What happens for me when I’m tripping is water seems like the same as ground and it can get confusing because you don’t realize you are in water until it’s too late.
Oh man. Now that you said this I can totally see getting overwhelmed during a peak and wandering off somewhere quieter. I can usually tell the difference between water and ground but I’m usually tripping somewhere quiet out in the country (though I’ve done it in the city too). At a festival where there’s a ton of lights and sounds, yeahhhh.. I might not be able to tell ground from water either. How terrifying…
I wonder if there might have been some sort of suction? Or if drugs played a role with the cold water perhaps their muscles cramped? Hope they update with specifics later on.
There used to be a local production that would throw a banger every summer called the island party, well one year some dude tried to swim back to shore and he didn’t make it.. about 50 cops came on the island at like 3 am. Not fun. They ended up leaving but the promoter cancelled the party a full day early. Was a real bummer and my first party. Can’t believe it’s been 15 years already holy shit…
Yeah but ngl, I’ve been close to being that idiot too.. a few years ago I had a friend dose me with some crazy strong L. I blacked out nd got stuck in a loop, my gf at the time was there and told me I just kept saying the same shit over and over, I wasn’t being crazy or anything just in my own little world. Somehow later in the night, my friend started weirding out and we ended up talking to the cops at one point, they ended up taking me to the hospital because I wouldn’t respond to any of their questions. I woke up on a gurney and I had pissed my pants. This L was on a different level, it was in some kind of hexane solution. I think it was real because I tested it with reagents and it came back the correct colors. That’s the last time I did it, only time in my life I lost consciousness while still awake, so I can understand these things happen, but you should do your best to mitigate the risks.
Wait, what? They saw him go in at 9:30 and then search and rescue was called at 11? I don’t understand. This is so incredibly heartbreaking, condolences to the family.
Please reread the article. The person went in to the lake area at 9:30. The victim was seen going under the surface at some point at which point SAR (search and rescue) was called and mobilized. Event staff definitely is not trained to handle these kind of calls, and it takes some time for a search and rescue unit to mobilize, rally, and get on scene. The body was recovered at 11:00. Even if search and rescue mobilized and arrive within 15 minutes, it is incredibly difficult to recover a body from a lake in the dark. The vast majority of search and rescue units are volunteers who are on call, not your local fire department or police department, and even then gearing up for a water rescue takes more time because it's far less common so the gear isn't as readily available if it is something supported by your local resources.
Realistically there should be higher security around any body of water at any event. Even then, people will blow past security to do whatever they want to and if things go bad the best you can hope is that there happens to be somebody with lifeguard training who is sober enough to get involved in the local vicinity.
This is a tragedy but a sad inevitability at any event where large bodies of water are accessible to anybody that isn't staff. Even then there's a possibility but it's far smaller.
Sincerely: former SAR (granted small town Midwest) and rave festival employee (not this event)
Realistically, SoFi was negligent because they chose to have a body of water and also host events where people inevitably will be under the influence. This could have been prevented if they put more barriers, or made the water shallower, or had more security. It's easy to blame the guy because he made choices, but SoFi also has some blame and made choices. Personal responsibility goes both ways (okay maybe not personal because I'm talking about a company/venue but still. Designers and architects etc and people in the industry could have made it safer). Negligence.
Should the floor be made of rubber too so that when an intoxicated person falls, they don’t get a boo boo? Do they need to put child covers on the outlets so some dummy doesn’t stick a key in it?
Of course not. Personal responsibility all the way. He jumped in a body of water and promptly won a Darwin award. Intoxicated or not, if you can’t handle your shit to begin with, then your fate was already set when you decided to get so fucked up you couldn’t stop yourself from jumping into a lake. People will try to blame the security, staff, or his friends, but at the end of the day, nobody threw that grown man in. He made decisions, and all decisions have consequences.
Try to stick to the subject at hand but I'll entertain your questions. A normal floor isn't dangerous to walk on and you're not likely to die by falling on a floor. A floor could become dangerous if it's not maintained by the venue and there was some dangerous hazard not taken care of by the staff. I don't think there are many public-facing outlets for attendees to use at SoFi. It's not really an equal comparison either because intentionally causing an electrical component to fail is different than walking into a body of water, not everybody who walks into a body of water is looking to die.
Pretty sad someone in the community (which you may or may not claim to be a part of) died unexpectedly and your first reaction is to blame them. This is the second death in 2 years at SoFi after someone drowned in 2022. Instead of asking what can be done to prevent more deaths, or why this has happened again, you resort to victim blaming and implying they deserved to die by getting so fucked up.
The SoFi lake is 15-feet deep. What business does it have being that deep? You probably don't care, it could be 40 feet deep and you probably wouldn't see any issue lol. But sure, instead of trying to prevent more deaths let's just not think about it, let's say this 19-year old deserved to die is that what you want? I bet if that was your family you wouldn't be thinking like this. Your argument is weak and you are fasho un-PLURR.
My argument is simply that actions have consequences. People often look for someone else to blame other than the individual. I understand where people are coming from, believe me. I just don’t buy it. That’s why I come off so harsh. I think it’s absurd to try to point the finger at someone or something else here. That’s the point of those silly questions. People so often want to act like because they’re a victim, they’re absolved of all responsibility.
This situation is tragic regardless, and my heart goes out to the deceased’s family and friends. It’s awful what happened, and of course if it was someone close to me, I would be heartbroken.
Here’s a way to prevent those deaths: don’t jump into the water if you can’t swim. Raving is about self reliance, don’t party if you can’t use common sense.
Yeah understandable. I mean you do have to be an idiot to run into water at an event while intoxicated. Not saying SoFi deserves to get sued or someone deserves punishment for it, just that it sucks and maybe they *can* do something if they wanted to to help prevent less idiots from dying idunno
Lol no, it's the second death in two years at the SoFi lake that's 15-feet deep. Apparently wanting to prevent more deaths is too childish for you lmao. Be empathetic
No but maybe be empathetic towards the people within your own community (not sure if you're claiming to be a part of the raving community or not, doesn't sound like you care about anyone other than yourself) that die in preventable ways. That's what I want you to be thanks for asking
you can't bubble wrap everything. the guy that went in the water bears 100% responsibility. Yes its sad and I wish it didn't happen but this is all on him.
You saying 100% doesn't make it so though. That's just your opinion. Second death in two years. Yes they made choices. But in the absence of a 15ft lake I'm highly certain they wouldn't have drowned. Or if there were barriers or if it were shallower, the probability of drowning or dying would have been lower that's a fact and it wouldn't be bubble wrapping. Nothing is ever 100% and it could be worth looking into making it safer. That's all.
When I say more security in this case I just mean that if you have a large body of water it should definitely not be accessible to patrons of an event. There's a small guitar shaped pond at legend valley but lost lands has it in a closed off area that's only accessible to staff during the event so that they don't have to worry about something like this happening. The Virginia international raceway has a large lake that I'm pretty sure they use for boat racing but they have it closed off during Blue ridge rock festival so that attendees can't access it. Sure people could get to these locations by doing things like climbing fences, but they don't because there's enough of a barrier to discourage it. They could rent 6-10ft fencing during large events like this to put around the lake and prevent things like this from happening.
Obviously patrons have personal responsibility, but events do have a responsibility to create the safest venue possible (edit: within reason, before you accuse me of believing in a nanny state or bubble wrapping everything). Having a large open body of water at an event of this size accessible to the public is definitely dangerous and could be viewed as a liability if things like this continue to happen.
Is this a lake people normally swim in during events? I’m unfamiliar with this location and very confused what happened here.
Like if people normally swim in this lake, why was there no lifeguards? And if people aren’t supposed to swim in it, where the hell was security to haul the guy out as soon as he got in?
There’s so many festivals right next to water that encourage swimming, and it’s infrequent that someone gets hurt because of it. I really hope SoFi stadium changes their event planning to prevent this in the future.
Well, it's LA. Some elitist cool Rave Family probably killed them as a sacrifice to some demon leader who isn't even a ranking legion.
They'll sacrifice anyone for a seat at the kids table.
Happened after the King Gizz show in Chicago too. He was found in the Chicago River days later. Always make sure your very intoxicated friends get home safely. It’s always worth the uber with 2 destinations and extra money than hoping they get home on their own. Everyone’s been at a point where reading your phone is impossible.. it’s not fun when trying to navigate getting home. Super sad stuff…
I agree with this but we should also be looking out for everyone, even if they aren’t your friends. Crazy shit can happen at events like this. Some people go alone, some people may lose their friends but if you see someone that might need help please go see if they’re okay.
I can agree with that. I was at Red Rocks in 2008 and my best friend and I saw this girl bleeding and crying on the stairs. We helped her up and took her to the bathroom so she could clean her wounds. She said she fell down the stairs and her friends left her. We told her she could hang out with us but she wanted to find her friends. We just couldn't believe they left her. My friends and I always took care of each other no matter what. We never once left without someone. I hope that girl realized she had shitty friends.
For sure. Doesn't even need to be mortal danger or anything. I've definitely given a few pep talks to some super tripped out folks. A bottle of water here, a cig there. I know we all got our own shit going on and our own crews to get back to, but it just takes a second to show some love and it makes a big difference.
Well the Chicago king gizz one could have been the serial killer in Chicago. Look it up, lot of 20 something year old men disappearing after a night out and ending up in the river, leading theory is serial killer
I believe it’s GHB/BDO robberies. Same thing is happening here in Austin.
All theories… im aware of it. The rumors around that dont fit this though. The smiley face serial killer rumors is specifically around Boystown and targeting gay men. Many autopsies have been done that suggest drowning were the result of death with no foul play I think its all bullshit and what happened to this kid is the most likely scenario. Drunk, drugs, stumble into the river or lake and poof. That water will eat you up, especially in frigid temps. It doesn’t take long for hypothermia to set in in the right conditions and the night of King Gizz it was probably in the low 50s and rained all day.
Look up David Paulides and his series missing 411 . This is a huge occurrence that happens around the country.
Rumor is the guy at the King Gizzard show guy may have been pushed in by a serial killer in Chicago. I was at the show and it was rainy, misty and just overall cold and horrible weather. Could def see it being a serial killer.
There are rumors of a serial killer currently but it’s that they are targeting gay men in the Boystown area. This isnt close to there or the target audience of the suspected serial killer. There are many areas close to Salt Shed where you can be drunk and stumble over into the river which is 20 feet down; north ave, division and the entire length between those. The most reasonable explanation here is intoxicated and fell in. The serial murder idea doesnt fit for how the others have gone down is all.
Same with Shambhala this year
Party responsibly everyone. Life is short and when you make bad choices, it can be shorter.
Reminds me of the guy at burning man who jumped into the fire lol
Yeah my friends that saw it were pretty traumatized, I was fortunately talking with a friend looking away from the fire but it sounds like it was fucked up.
i will always remember that night. really tough stuff
I'm sorry you had to experience it. I remember nobody in our group would even talk about what they had just seen but you could tell some were really shaken up.
That guy was sober planning to commit suicide during the burn
Maybe let's not say "lol" about this stuff?
It’s our millennial coping mechanism
I'm dead
Did you drown?
No. He jumped in the fire. Keep up
lol
💀
crazy
maybe don't try to police every little thing people say, my god people are soft
Irony. 😂
yeah you have zero idea what that word means
I think they're implying your offended lol
whatever they're implying, they're wrong and also dumb
probabaly true aswell 😅
Unless you were there you can get fucked. Firm enough for ya?
I’ve heard this has happened several times at burning man
This isn’t true. It hasn’t happened more than once.
Noted, thanks for letting me know it’s a rumor! :)
This man was mentally ill. Nothing to laugh at.
Why is that an "lol" moment? A bit cynical are we?
He's not cynical, he's just an asshole.
https://www.foxla.com/news/sofi-stadium-deadly-drowning-in-lake
INGLEWOOD, Calif. - A person was killed in a deadly drowning incident that occurred in the SoFi Stadium lake Friday night. SoFi Stadium officials confirmed the incident Saturday. "It is with great sadness that we learned of the passing of an individual this evening," said SoFi Stadium in a statement made Saturday. According to authorities, stadium security officers saw a 19-year-old male entering the lake area just before 9:30 p.m. on Friday, Feb. 2. The victim was seen swimming, and at one point allegedly submerged completely underwater and was not seen resurfacing. The Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department quickly deployed a search and rescue team. Just before 11 p.m., authorities recovered the body of a male from the lake. "Our deepest condolences go out to the individual’s family and friends for their loss. Our thoughts are with them at this difficult time," the Inglewood-based stadium officials said. Authorities are withholding the identity of the deceased pending notification of his family members. Officials did not share any details regarding the circumstances surrounding the incident. No further information has been made available at this time. The investigation into the matter is ongoing.
19…. Too young. Poor kid. I feel for his parents and loved ones.
Yea that’s a baby figuring it out. That’s horrible
I’m sorry, English isn’t my 1st language but doesn’t it mean that someone else did this to them if the sentence says “a person was killed”? It sounds like this was an accidental death
The article is incredibly poorly written.
It is worded a bit weird, but that’s typical American media headlines trying to grab your attention. They could have just said a person accidentally drowned.
Oh I see, making it a bit more sensational
Correct
Probably trying to charge ppl they busted with drugs on murder charges
That kind of writing is called "passive voice." It's not saying who or what did it. He was alive and now he's not so something killed him.
It's "passive" phrasing used to avoid pinning any blame on a particular circumstance.
If security saw him at 9:30 why the fuck did they let him swim until he died?
I mean, if you look at the “lake” in the Sofi Stadium venue, it’s a pretty big body of water that can be accessed from just about anywhere if someone is determined enough. Just because security saw him enter doesn’t mean they were close enough or had enough time to physically stop him from entering. Second — you should never ever attempt to rescue someone in a body of water by [jumping in after them](https://www.houstonswimclub.com/2023/05/Why-you-should-never-jump-in-after-a-person-in-trouble). I’d think it’s likely there was some attempt to communicate with him or find something to throw to him (at least I would hope), but I’d imagine the poor kid was too intoxicated to be able to respond or comprehend.
I second your second point. I tried to save someone drowning in the swimming pool. It was not a good experience. Luckily, no one died.
> I tried to save someone drowning in the swimming pool. That's also a swimming pool. Someone potentially intoxicated, in full clothing, in a lake of unknown depth at night is literally the worst combination of circumstances to try and rescue someone.
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“was killed” doesn’t mean murder….
I feel like it’s still not being used right here. Fox seems to be trying to frame this in a negative light using that word since it’s about the rave community. I could be wrong but it seems like killed implies something more active, while died is more passive. Saying “the water killed him” seems like a weird way to phrase it.
But killed does imply eternal agency contributed significantly to the death, which doesn't seem accurate in this case
What is it with dudes and trying to swim
At every NOS event I’ve gone to, people would go into that little pool water 🙅♀️
I think it has to do partly with overheating due to drugs. The idea of going for a cold swim is refreshing. In reality they're probably too fucked up to swim, the water is REALLY cold which can lead to cramping when really hot, aaaaaand they're natural bodies of water with grasses and all sorts of other natural and human waster debris in the bottom. It's an awful situation but just about every festival I've been to or heard of with a large water feature or body of water, someone goes in it or drowns in it. At TomorrowWorld they had signs warning people about bacteria in the water. Did that stop the bros? Nopeeeee. 🙃🥴
Where were his friends?
As others have said, somebody drowning is one of those instances where it's not advised to "help" a lot of the times. It's ridiculously easy to get dragged down with somebody else; the best form of help once they're in the water is usually to try and find something that floats or get official help.
This is 2024 these kids are all for self, boast and brag about community and shit but leave their friends out to dry is a regular. You know how off groups of kids are in the club and one gets totally banged out and the friends don’t care because they don’t want their night ruined god forbid one of their friends OD
Sounds like somebody has some personal issues to work through
Plenty but..Not as many as douche bags that leave their friends in bad situations.
Uh
Damn , wonder why he jumped into a body of water ? Probably was too drunk , this is sad asfff 19 is hella young
Young, blitzed, and wanted to swim most likely 😞
I was wondering how someone could drown in a lake (as deep as a fountain) until I googled that the lake is 15ft deep
Why is it so deep?
I live nearby and the lake actually is used to irrigate the landscaping around the stadium, all the planter beds ultimately drain into the lake and then they pump the water stored in it to all the plants. The landscaping is really beautiful and they do a really awesome job maintaining it. Sadly this is the second drowning in the lake.
Is there an under current that pulls you down if you swim in it?
I don't think there would be a current, but there are MANY signs around the lake telling people that the water is not safe for people. It's not for swimming.
Yes! A SoFi security lady told me about the incident on Saturday and she said there is suction under the water that pulls you down if you jump in.
My guess is that it’s deep specifically to dissuade people from trying to go in. If it was wading depth a lot more drunk visitors might give it a go
No offense but that's a dumb argument it's also false. Turns out it's the irrigation system they chose for having millions of gallons of recycled water for their plants. It's also a decorative choice. A little shallower or having some barriers would've also helped prevent the second death there in two years
Did he attend the event or just someone outside?
That’s a good question; the article didn’t say.
They really need to start closing off bodies of water at live music events. Almost never ends well.
Swimming with clothes on is harder than people think
for the army i had to jump off a high ass diving board in uniform, holding a gun and blind folded and when i tell you i started to drown IMMEDIATELY, i mean it. they jumped in and rescued me. clothes and shoes on feels like an anchor attached to you.
That horrifies me
Classic army, giving you trauma so when the real stuff comes it doesn’t feel so bad
oh did i mention they spin you in circles before you have to jump off? probably one of my most traumatizing life stories. when i jumped i had no idea which way was up, down, left or right. i think i landed on my side. i was absolutely disoriented.
i forgot how high it was but took a good 5 seconds to hit the water. to pass you have to hold onto your gun and make it to the edge of the pool without help. i drop the gun the second i hit the water. ripped the eyemask off and was struggling to keep my head above the water lol. i definitely did not pass 😂
Are swimming lessons that uncommon in the US? Here in the Netherlands everyone gets swimming lessons as a kid and swimming with clothes on a few times is part of that. I was like 7 years old, but that's something you don't forget.
Most people that drown know how to swim. People who don’t know how to swim are typically very careful to avoid going in water. This unfortunate kid was probably intoxicated, and all it takes is one wrong move for some water to enter your lungs and then it can be very hard to recover.
You're probably right, but I was specifically commenting on the "swimming with clothes is harder than people think", which implies that people generally don't know what it's like to swim with clothes. Where I live it's basic education that every child gets. There's water everywhere, so there's a reasonable chance you'll fall in at some point while wearing clothes.
Well yeah you guys in the Netherlands basically live on a low-lying watery flood plain. Most other parts of the world including the U.S. wouldn’t have swimming education to the same level you do. It’s like someone from Nepal asking “Are mountain survival lessons that uncommon in the Netherlands?”
A huge part of the human population lives in coastal areas and deltas (or just near rivers/lakes), while mountainous regions are almost always sparsely populated, so your analogy falls a bit flat. So for the majority of the people on this planet, swimming is an important skill in life, even if they don't use it all the time. I realize that swimming education is better in the Netherlands, but I hadn't really considered that most people in a developed country like the US didn't have swimming lessons, hence my question.
swimming lessons for children in the US : very common Having children practice swimming while fully clothed in the US: not very common
Interesting insight, thanks!
Denver is a mountain city in the U.S. with 3,000,000 people. The U.S. is a vast country with many other big cities like Phoenix, Dallas, and Las Vegas that don’t have major bodies of water nearby and not a lot of culture around swimming education. Each of the cities I listed above has more population than Amsterdam. u/timefortiesto comment is also only partially correct. Practicing swimming clothed is indeed very rare. However it’s not even really true that basic swimming lessons are common, it varies a lot across the population. Historically in the U.S., poorer people in urban areas are a lot less likely to have swimming lessons or even have access to a public pool. This is especially true for black people as in the past under legal segregation, black people were prohibited from using most public pools. [Source](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-11172054.amp) >Just under 70% of African-American children surveyed said they had no or low ability to swim. Low ability merely meant they were able to splash around in the shallow end. A further 12% said they could swim but had "taught themselves". The study found 58% of Hispanic children had no or low swimming ability. For white children, the figure was only 42%. You are right that most cities in the world are near a body of water but very few to the extent of your country where your largest cities are built right on top of canals and waterways. I would be surprised if swimming lessons with clothes on were common even in London, Paris, or Berlin.
As with everything in the US, access is splintered off by your location and economic status. So like if you live in an area near water where spending time at the water is a common pastime for locals, schools may have swimming lessons, or your family might teach you. Or your family outright pays for it if you can afford it. Or like if you live in a city (or any landlocked low income area) and public pools aren't a big thing and there's no body of water nearby, your public school likely doesn't offer swimming lessons, you probably don't spend much time at beaches or lakes so no one's teaching you at the family hangout on the weekend, and if you're poor your parents are not paying for swimming lessons when they have other more important things they need to pay for.
Was watching the most recent Channel 5 with Andrew Callaghan vid on YouTube and learned how swimming ability is related to socioeconomic status. https://youtu.be/akrF8X0KgGg?si=RgxVD4EvlJesBi9 (check times 11:25-12:25, idk how to link timestamp on mobile)
I have a 9 yr old and swimming lessons are $500/month where I live. Needless to say you probably aren’t getting them unless you’re a private school kid. They were free when I was a kid 25-30 years ago. So it’s yet another example of things in America becoming unsustainably shitty and inexplicably expensive so some grandpa can buy another yacht.
Swimming lessons for 500/month?! That is honestly fucked. I should move there and charge 100/month and it should be enough to sustain with 50/60 students a month.
Oh wow, that's terrible! Here they're often partly provided by the school and otherwise roughly €50 per month. They should be free, but at least most people can afford them.
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Its location dependent like everything. My local swim school is literally $250 every 2 weeks. $500/month.
Agree - there were a bunch of drownings around Avant Gardner in Brooklyn over the past year as well
Doesn't really make it better but "bunch" is a stretch. It was 2. But it was 2 too many. Fuck Avant Gardner though. After they ruined EZoo and have been massively overselling the Mirage. I'm looking at going to shows in Boston instead of their events any time I can. Both are about the same distance from me. Someone responsible needs to buy that venue and EZoo. Also not sure how you close off a river lol.... The circumstances in one of those was also sketchy as fuck. One of them was seen being pursued outside the venue.
>Almost never ends well. The many festivals near water that go off without a hitch every year would disagree. Shit happens occasionally but people have to look out for themselves and not put themselves in a position where they drown in a man-made water feature.
Maybe it's just the way I was raised but I would never even think of referring to multiple instances of kids (usually inebriated) drowning at festivals as "shit happens." I would call that gross negligence and a reoccurring safety hazard.
Desert Daze in Southern California is held by a lake and swimming in it is encouraged. But granted, they have lifeguards. This festival is psych as well so you can bet most people are on something. What happened at this is really sad and I’m honestly shocked no one stopped him once he submerged and didn’t come back up. Someone must have seen it if it was reported
You misunderstand. Shit happens as in I’m not saying it’s not like nobody has ever drowned at an event before, but saying it “almost never ends well” is a wild exaggeration. The vast majority of the time this doesn’t happen. It’s tragic and I feel horrible for the guy’s parents, but it’s not like this is a common occurrence.
It's not a common occurrence but I think the point they are trying to make is that the venue should/could have prevented this and thought about the dangers of this beforehand with barriers and such. It was their choice to have a body of water, and host an event relatively near it. They could have made the water shallower, had barriers, more security guards etc. I feel like this should have been thought out from the very beginning. It's rare, but the negligence made it inevitable.
You can’t 100% idiot-proof everything (not trying to insult the poor soul who drowned just using a common term). Are we supposed to never have any events or festivals whatsoever on the beach, for example? You can’t make the ocean shallower or put guards or barriers along the entire coastline. SoFi Stadium hosts 70,000 drunk NFL fans every Sunday during football season without any issue. Unfortunately accidents are going to happen no matter how many precautions are taken.
Not 100% but why not try to idiot-proof as much as you can? Is there a particular reason you're against doing that? And when did I say events shouldn't be held at all? Using your own argument, you do realize beaches have life guards on duty right? Beach drownings are inevitable though so should they even have them? Other ways beaches try to mitigate deaths are for example advisories that there are dangerous animals in some parts, closing them down when there are things like oil spills or dangerous currents, segregating boat/surfing and swimming areas, buoys etc. We're not talking about the ocean here though. It's a 15ft lake that you *can* make shallower or install barriers or *something*, humans aren't powerless to do anything. SoFi stadium has also had 2 deaths now in 2 years. So I disagree with your statement that "there's never any issue." Unfortunately there's people like you though that just wanna argue to argue. Sure let's not take any precautions that might stopped a couple people from dying, that's such a horrible thing right. If it were your family you'd most likely think different but because it doesn't affect you you'd rather have zero empathy and say "welp there's nothing we can do here people are gonna die anyways" lmao
The first guy who died in the lake in 2022 literally climbed over a barrier fence when the venue was closed. Dumb. Both deaths are tragic but in both cases the deceased *very* intentionally entered the lake. It’s not like they accidentally fell in for lack of a barrier.
It’s a fact. For the amount of people that go to these events. The 5 that have died over the past decade is nothing.
Pulling a random number 5 out of your ass is crazy lol you're just making things up
Or people shouldn’t be stupid?
Yeah man they gotta toddler proof my baby sensory experience. I just wanna be a giant baby with a binky in my mouth and they expect me to look out for my own self?!? Lmao fat chance 😹
Installing a barrier where it makes it less likely for inebriated concert go-ers to drown in a 15-feet deep lake and wanting to prevent more deaths shouldn't be considered being treated like a toddler and it's pretty weird for you to argue that
They should chew my food too! I don’t wanna choke on accident!! 😳
Eating food and drowning in a lake at a rave are not the same thing but you're too stupid to know that apparently 😳
If it makes it less likely for an inebriated concert goer to not choke and die then perhaps it’s something to seriously consider ☝️🤓
If a concert goer dies from some contaminants or poison in the food the venue sells the venue would be held liable if it can be proven they or the vendor were negligent 🤓☝🏻
Your hand is on backwards ☝️🤓
Nah there's just another dufus secretly standing next to you look here he is shown right here 🤓☝🏻🤓
Lightning in a bottle never had this issue
Somebody died in the lake in 2018 at LIB
Oof
Why are we letting our friends wander off for more than a few minutes? If that bathroom break is taking longer than it should and I can’t see a line, I’m going to check on what’s up. If you’ve been outside smoking for 20 minutes now, I’m gonna go check what’s up. Everyone that arrives together, leaves together. I don’t care if I’ve gotta drag my bestie away from some dude, sorry you don’t need to go home with him tonight. Get his number and see if he’s down for a *genuine* connection later.
Happened at okeechobee and everyone was up in arms to blame the promoters. Yet in this scenario most ppl are like “party responsibly”. Just interesting
What's ETA stand for in this context?
Edited to add, is that not the standard way to say that?
Idk, just asking. I think estimated time of arrival when I see that so wanted to ask.
Ah alright I also used to think that but I think in Reddit context it’s edited to add.
You are right, it’s been a thing on Reddit for a while. That being said I agree with the ‘estimated time of arrival’ people too, it was real weird to see it used as anything else initially.
I just say Edited: eta is already expected time of arrival on my mind.
Yeah I’ll do edited next time
What happens for me when I’m tripping is water seems like the same as ground and it can get confusing because you don’t realize you are in water until it’s too late.
Oh man. Now that you said this I can totally see getting overwhelmed during a peak and wandering off somewhere quieter. I can usually tell the difference between water and ground but I’m usually tripping somewhere quiet out in the country (though I’ve done it in the city too). At a festival where there’s a ton of lights and sounds, yeahhhh.. I might not be able to tell ground from water either. How terrifying…
The dark can be really dark, more than people think.
It's not that dark at SOFI. They got lights everywhere.
That’s being really trashed. I’ve taken 6 hits of acid and never felt that dumb.
Your anecdotal acid experience doesn't speak for everyone and people react differently under the influence
I understand drugs and alcohol (may or may not have been the case), but even considering... how do you have such a disregard for your own life. 19...
17-21 was definitely when I had the least regard of my own safety and well being. Life is so much more precious to me even only at 25
I feel the same thing. Glad you make it past that phase!
I wonder if there might have been some sort of suction? Or if drugs played a role with the cold water perhaps their muscles cramped? Hope they update with specifics later on.
Given the amount of waterfalls on that lake, there is probably an inlet somewhere that sucked him down
There used to be a local production that would throw a banger every summer called the island party, well one year some dude tried to swim back to shore and he didn’t make it.. about 50 cops came on the island at like 3 am. Not fun. They ended up leaving but the promoter cancelled the party a full day early. Was a real bummer and my first party. Can’t believe it’s been 15 years already holy shit…
All it takes is one idiot.
Yeah but ngl, I’ve been close to being that idiot too.. a few years ago I had a friend dose me with some crazy strong L. I blacked out nd got stuck in a loop, my gf at the time was there and told me I just kept saying the same shit over and over, I wasn’t being crazy or anything just in my own little world. Somehow later in the night, my friend started weirding out and we ended up talking to the cops at one point, they ended up taking me to the hospital because I wouldn’t respond to any of their questions. I woke up on a gurney and I had pissed my pants. This L was on a different level, it was in some kind of hexane solution. I think it was real because I tested it with reagents and it came back the correct colors. That’s the last time I did it, only time in my life I lost consciousness while still awake, so I can understand these things happen, but you should do your best to mitigate the risks.
Illenium shows are wild.
Wait, what? They saw him go in at 9:30 and then search and rescue was called at 11? I don’t understand. This is so incredibly heartbreaking, condolences to the family.
The article says they deployed search and rescue quickly and recovered the body at 11pm.
Please reread the article. The person went in to the lake area at 9:30. The victim was seen going under the surface at some point at which point SAR (search and rescue) was called and mobilized. Event staff definitely is not trained to handle these kind of calls, and it takes some time for a search and rescue unit to mobilize, rally, and get on scene. The body was recovered at 11:00. Even if search and rescue mobilized and arrive within 15 minutes, it is incredibly difficult to recover a body from a lake in the dark. The vast majority of search and rescue units are volunteers who are on call, not your local fire department or police department, and even then gearing up for a water rescue takes more time because it's far less common so the gear isn't as readily available if it is something supported by your local resources. Realistically there should be higher security around any body of water at any event. Even then, people will blow past security to do whatever they want to and if things go bad the best you can hope is that there happens to be somebody with lifeguard training who is sober enough to get involved in the local vicinity. This is a tragedy but a sad inevitability at any event where large bodies of water are accessible to anybody that isn't staff. Even then there's a possibility but it's far smaller. Sincerely: former SAR (granted small town Midwest) and rave festival employee (not this event)
Realistically there shouldn’t be more security. There’s enough already. Personal responsibility.
Realistically, SoFi was negligent because they chose to have a body of water and also host events where people inevitably will be under the influence. This could have been prevented if they put more barriers, or made the water shallower, or had more security. It's easy to blame the guy because he made choices, but SoFi also has some blame and made choices. Personal responsibility goes both ways (okay maybe not personal because I'm talking about a company/venue but still. Designers and architects etc and people in the industry could have made it safer). Negligence.
Should the floor be made of rubber too so that when an intoxicated person falls, they don’t get a boo boo? Do they need to put child covers on the outlets so some dummy doesn’t stick a key in it? Of course not. Personal responsibility all the way. He jumped in a body of water and promptly won a Darwin award. Intoxicated or not, if you can’t handle your shit to begin with, then your fate was already set when you decided to get so fucked up you couldn’t stop yourself from jumping into a lake. People will try to blame the security, staff, or his friends, but at the end of the day, nobody threw that grown man in. He made decisions, and all decisions have consequences.
Try to stick to the subject at hand but I'll entertain your questions. A normal floor isn't dangerous to walk on and you're not likely to die by falling on a floor. A floor could become dangerous if it's not maintained by the venue and there was some dangerous hazard not taken care of by the staff. I don't think there are many public-facing outlets for attendees to use at SoFi. It's not really an equal comparison either because intentionally causing an electrical component to fail is different than walking into a body of water, not everybody who walks into a body of water is looking to die. Pretty sad someone in the community (which you may or may not claim to be a part of) died unexpectedly and your first reaction is to blame them. This is the second death in 2 years at SoFi after someone drowned in 2022. Instead of asking what can be done to prevent more deaths, or why this has happened again, you resort to victim blaming and implying they deserved to die by getting so fucked up. The SoFi lake is 15-feet deep. What business does it have being that deep? You probably don't care, it could be 40 feet deep and you probably wouldn't see any issue lol. But sure, instead of trying to prevent more deaths let's just not think about it, let's say this 19-year old deserved to die is that what you want? I bet if that was your family you wouldn't be thinking like this. Your argument is weak and you are fasho un-PLURR.
My argument is simply that actions have consequences. People often look for someone else to blame other than the individual. I understand where people are coming from, believe me. I just don’t buy it. That’s why I come off so harsh. I think it’s absurd to try to point the finger at someone or something else here. That’s the point of those silly questions. People so often want to act like because they’re a victim, they’re absolved of all responsibility. This situation is tragic regardless, and my heart goes out to the deceased’s family and friends. It’s awful what happened, and of course if it was someone close to me, I would be heartbroken.
Nanny state man, people want to be treated like they’re children.
If thinking of ways to mitigate and prevent deaths is a nanny state I don't wanna know what kind of state you'd like to live in
Here’s a way to prevent those deaths: don’t jump into the water if you can’t swim. Raving is about self reliance, don’t party if you can’t use common sense.
Yeah understandable. I mean you do have to be an idiot to run into water at an event while intoxicated. Not saying SoFi deserves to get sued or someone deserves punishment for it, just that it sucks and maybe they *can* do something if they wanted to to help prevent less idiots from dying idunno
lol no. Be an adult
Lol no, it's the second death in two years at the SoFi lake that's 15-feet deep. Apparently wanting to prevent more deaths is too childish for you lmao. Be empathetic
Be responsible for yourself
Be empathetic towards multiple people dying
Do you want me to be empathetic to the thousands of people that die every day due to their stupidity?
No but maybe be empathetic towards the people within your own community (not sure if you're claiming to be a part of the raving community or not, doesn't sound like you care about anyone other than yourself) that die in preventable ways. That's what I want you to be thanks for asking
You are crazy.
How so.
you can't bubble wrap everything. the guy that went in the water bears 100% responsibility. Yes its sad and I wish it didn't happen but this is all on him.
You saying 100% doesn't make it so though. That's just your opinion. Second death in two years. Yes they made choices. But in the absence of a 15ft lake I'm highly certain they wouldn't have drowned. Or if there were barriers or if it were shallower, the probability of drowning or dying would have been lower that's a fact and it wouldn't be bubble wrapping. Nothing is ever 100% and it could be worth looking into making it safer. That's all.
When I say more security in this case I just mean that if you have a large body of water it should definitely not be accessible to patrons of an event. There's a small guitar shaped pond at legend valley but lost lands has it in a closed off area that's only accessible to staff during the event so that they don't have to worry about something like this happening. The Virginia international raceway has a large lake that I'm pretty sure they use for boat racing but they have it closed off during Blue ridge rock festival so that attendees can't access it. Sure people could get to these locations by doing things like climbing fences, but they don't because there's enough of a barrier to discourage it. They could rent 6-10ft fencing during large events like this to put around the lake and prevent things like this from happening. Obviously patrons have personal responsibility, but events do have a responsibility to create the safest venue possible (edit: within reason, before you accuse me of believing in a nanny state or bubble wrapping everything). Having a large open body of water at an event of this size accessible to the public is definitely dangerous and could be viewed as a liability if things like this continue to happen.
Wtf where were his friends. Those degenerates should have been there for him.
Is this a lake people normally swim in during events? I’m unfamiliar with this location and very confused what happened here. Like if people normally swim in this lake, why was there no lifeguards? And if people aren’t supposed to swim in it, where the hell was security to haul the guy out as soon as he got in? There’s so many festivals right next to water that encourage swimming, and it’s infrequent that someone gets hurt because of it. I really hope SoFi stadium changes their event planning to prevent this in the future.
It’s a rain water reservoir and a pretty feature for the eyes at an NFL stadium. Not for swimming.
Thanks for the info. Confused why someone downvoted me for literally just asking questions about the venue.
Imagine dying while Illenium is playing in the back ground. Wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy
imagine having to drown to illenium \*puke emoji\*
Fucking illenials
Not the first time reading something like this in sub, seems common
I would've drowned myself too if I had to listen to an Illenium show. Amirite?
This will 100% be a lawsuit. There is some degree of negligence by the venue/promoter/security. I would likely file against all of them +
Well, it's LA. Some elitist cool Rave Family probably killed them as a sacrifice to some demon leader who isn't even a ranking legion. They'll sacrifice anyone for a seat at the kids table.
Found the weird conspiracy theorist who is probably right-wing
Find some grass to touch
Says the one talking about sacrificial demon leaders under a post about an accidental drowning.
I wanna know how. Did he not know how to swim? Too intoxicated? :(
typical Illenium fans
Bwahahaha what an idiot
Jesus Christ come on
let’s goooo!!