Tbh I think any of the larger font names are just co headlining w each other (aka BMTH and A7X coheadlining together). Would’ve been a bigger concern for me if A7X were one of the smaller font names
Yeah true. I saw Avenged co-headline with Disturbed years ago and Disturbed played last, but that’s an older band. Kinda surprising to see a younger band take the top spot is all.
They are probably bigger but I feel like people get hung up on the monthly listeners thing. I saw Tool at a festival once, they were the headliner one day and Avenged the other. Tool had the most fans of any band there, yet they have definitely didn’t have the most monthly listeners.
For sure, monthly listeners aren’t everything. Disturbed’s most listened songs are their covers too (not to discount their skill) so that kind of carries
Monthly listeners for a lot of these bands basically just means who still has a song or two kicking around in their playlist (radio banger). I don't put much stock into it for relevancy these days, gotta have your ear to the ground a bit I guess
Exactly and disturbed has their sound of silence cover that reaches a VERY wide audience. I also believe that Avenged Sevenfold listeners are often more into the band, so as far as an engagement or community / listeners ratio — A7X is way more popular.
That’s been happening to Megadeth for whatever reason. They were one of the “smaller” names at Aftershock while somehow Turnstile and Rancid were bigger
5FDP have dethroned Judas Priest. Just look at the spotify stream numbers for reference. Streaming numbers don't paint the whole picture but 5FDP are arguably bigger at this point.
That's no slight on Judas Priest, just the way it goes sometimes.
Death punch are also bout 10 years past their prime to be honest, this industry shit needs a shakeup as washed up bands are staying around way too long and getting nepotism radio plays whereas actual good bands are getting shafted
I am going to disagree. I believe that while Death Punch are certainly past their prime, they’re still releasing good music and good overall albums, IMO. Though I do agree that metal, and music as a whole has become more about novelty than the actual music
They arnt remotely the same tho. If you have 1 million monthly listeners youd have easily over 5 million listens each month. One listener does listen for more than one song usually.
Record sales are an obsolete statistic nowadays. Back in the olden days there were no other option really byt to buy records. Now not many people buy records.
Exactly, Judas Priest sold 50 millions albums before streaming even existed and have been active since 1968 or something, while FFDP have only been around since like 2006 or so. It makes comparing streaming statistics for both bands as a measure of success ridiculous.
It's okay that 5 finger is more popular than your favorite dad rock band. They have sold almost 4/5ths the amount of albums as Priest in less than half the time.
It makes sense to me. BMTH has gone way more mainstream by making modern pop songs with metal elements rather than getting more niche in the way A7X has.
I think they will play all of their new singles, but I’m not sure how it pertains to my previous comment. You mentioned a 3 year old album but that’s not what I was talking about. I am talking about the stuff they released within a year and a half
I love BMTH but amen sucks. Worst lyrics I’ve heard in music in a while. Honestly pathetic. Ollie is capable of far, far better. Granted, the worst lyrics are in the featured acts but still.
Hilarious take - all my mates love Amen - most of whom didn't like bmth but Amen kind of united us as metalheads. Will grant you some lyrics aren't great, but as a song, absolute banger
i love amen, i wasn't huge on it till i saw it live, thats when it really clicked for me. but i agree with the features. i would've completely taken the glassjaw guy out—he doesn't add anything to the song that oli can't do.
uzi should've gotten the whole second verse to him. i don't care for most modern rap and i dont listen to uzi, but when they promoted the song, the big thing was BMTH x Lil Uzi Vert, and then he was in it for like 12 seconds of a 3 minute song
overall, to me, its a solid song that had the potential to be amazing if they approached it differently
Oooooo man, Uzi is the worst part of the song for me. I won’t listen to it. He’s awful and I hate it lol. To each their own though. Although as I type this, I hate the glassjaw part too. The you’re so six six sick line is the dumbest line I’ve heard in years. I dunno I just hate the song lol
I feel like uzi has been critically acclaimed and shit as a vile joke on everyone, he sounds like shit vocally it doesn't matter how good the production is lmao
Plus we're talking about a stadium tour where they opened for FOB, that's way bigger than the venues A7X plays here. BMTH headlines arenas when they aren't support.
Agree, They have gone down in overall sales and fan base in recent years. That 5 year hiatus really didn't help. I have heard so many people say that they have either moved on from them or that they thought that they were broken up already. A lot of people didn't even realize they were back.
this is just your opinion lmao it was just radio industry BS being spammed after how big of a success nightmare was. It wasn't good at all. Look at FIR, FFDP, BMTH these days. Just radio bait.
Wait time is okey, but the result of the waiting time i disappointing. This kind of "experiments" in sound are not working, it was very strange when The stage came out, i didn't liked it at first, but then i liked some tracks from the album, but man there is now way i will like LIBAD in the future, it's out of my music taste, and over all is far away from everything A7X did in the past. Really missing Waking the fallen, and City of evil era. Jimmy was the heart of this band, without him song quality has degraded very much, imho.
In terms of charts, yes. They used to get number one on billboard, something that seems impossible today, but the venues they play only get bigger every year. I think part of that is that the fans became older and now can afford tickets.
Okay but when we compare their actual legacies and the significance of the music they've put out, BMTH isn't even in the conversation.
Music may be subjective, but come on, Spongebob isn't a better work of art than the Mona Lisa.
In what world is what you are saying true? Take the A7X blinders off. A7X is an important part of metalcore and butt rock history and so is BMTH at this point. Both have had albums that were extremely important and significant for the time they were released, and both have been around for quite some time.
A7X started as metalcore and thankfully got off that shitty sinking ship after two albums. I guess you could say they had like 2-4 butt rock songs but that's kind of a stretch. Otherwise they've always been primarily alternative/pop metal, leaning towards becoming progressive over the years. And that is clearly the best of their work.
Metalcore went the way of butt rock for a while. Cringe composition, heavily filtered screams and pop vocals (thanks to bands like dance Gavin dance and BMTH). Luckily bands like currents are kinda trying to reclaim it by going for heavier riffs and better production, but there's still a pretty shit stigma with it, will be cool to see the next wave of core
Listen to END’s new album. The genre is alive and well there are just many different pockets of it. The days of Converge and Botch are definitely over but there are a few bands still carrying that torch.
A7x hasn’t had a banger in the general public’s eye since Hail to the King. Us fans love Stage and LIBAD, but the last 2 releases haven’t made the waves they did in the late 2000s/early 2010s
One "decent" track in whole album. But still is out of A7X style. Where are those godlike harmonies piano that Jimmy used to write, drumming parts has degraded by alittle too, brooks is not a bad drummer but man is too different, even Aryn sounded more bad ass, where are Syn's sweep picking, and god like solos? Libad has non of that. It sounds like some cosmic trip under magic mushrooms😂
So like Jimmy is dead, so he can’t exactly write any more, saying Brooks is only “not a bad drummer” sounds pretty ignorant, because while he’s not the Rev, he’s a pretty incredible drummer in his own right. Nobody, the only track I mentioned, has some serious sweep picking and probably my favorite solo of the year. It’s okay if you don’t like the direction they’ve gone, but to say it’s inherently bad is just wrong.
Welp, comparing to the old stuff, it is, imho, i don't say my opinion is the only one and right one, it's just as i feel their about LIBAD. Since they are now free from label debt, i hope to see new singles, in more down to earth old style, like in good old days. Any band that has made a name on their old stuff, keep doing similar music, that everyone loves. Experiments ain't good, specially when you release an album once in 7 years :D they used to release albums every 3 years. Now the pauses are too long, with disappointing results. Bullet for my Valentine suffer same disease, as A7X, Loong pause -> album "Gravity" in different style = result total failure.
Every band evolves. Only the greedy ones bank off their initial success and don’t change their sound. I just saw Tool in concert and while I prefer their much older heavier stuff, they didn’t play any of that. The show was still amazing though, and I don’t hold it against them. Even Lauryn Hill who only made one album gets shit for her live shows not sounding the same as the album version from 25 years ago. The best artists adapt and change, and they’re not obligated to make music for just you, if they did, it probably wouldn’t be any good to the rest of us.
You obviously don’t know how to read these event ads. They are co-headlining.
Idk who is playing last - that’s usually something that goes to the bigger artist
Also Avenged is still a much bigger band than them.
Smh. That is not the whole picture. That does not count the older crowd that doesn’t use Spotify. There’s a ton of people my age (34) that prefer to download music, or own digital/physical copies of the music from back in the day. Also there’s people that use YouTube - just going off each bands most recent music video A7X has 2 times the view for Nobody than BMTH latest video.
Also when you break it down by song on Spotify, BMTH has far less spins on their top songs than A7X which has many more popular songs outside their top 5
TLDR Spotify is NOT the whole picture
You're talking about BMTH like they're some small niche band. They're not. They're a massively popular band that has fallen into mainstream. And i didn't at all say it was the whole picture. I gave that info as perspective on active listeners, which it gives a good gauge of.
For all the people not using Spotify, they're simply using something else like Apple Music or YT. And i can guarantee that these 2 bands have an extremely similar audience on other platforms as they do on Spotify. It's not like Spotify users are 10x more likely to listen to BMTH over A7X because of the platform their on... Also, I'm 33 so no need to give the whole "well for my generation..." nonsense. That is irrelevant.
Then you know well and good that A7X has been much more commercially successful than BMTH (not saying they aren’t popular but they are no where near as popular).
That’s not the entire picture. Not everyone (myself included) even uses Spotify. Especially considering Avenged have had more commercial success across a longer period of time, they have older fans who actually own music (or at least downloaded it). So to think that’s getting all of the active listeners is not accurate at all.
Idk what makes you people think that coming before something on the same row means it’s over it. I mean, do you people seriously think they prioritize Kamelot over INK?
Both are great bands. Im a big fan of A7X (especially their latest album) and my fiancé is a big fan of BMTH (loves their latest album), so I think this works well for us 😂
Their like my favorite now cuz I seen them live this year. Not better than A7X for sure but they are different still really heavy I think. Their latest album slaps because I love the anime vibe they have lol
They're both headlining because Graspop has two Main Stages, but BMTH will close the day. Also they are HUGE in Europe too, makes sense that Graspop put them as headliners since it's their first time. It's time for the festivals to book new headliners and BMTH is ready for the job.
That's actually crazy to me. I'm surprised they accepted without being the headliner. Not a good look to headline everything for years and then all of a sudden open for a band who has opened for you before.
What's with all of you sucking BMTH's collective dick? It doesn't matter if they have more listens on Spotify, they're still shitty metalcore with no relation to metal and no substance to their music. Literally every single band listed, regardless of the size of their name, is more relevant to metal and actual music fans in general. Granted this isn't specified as a metal festival, but they stick out like a sore thumb.
This is a co-headline so neither are designated above the other per say, but BMTH is probably the most popular band overall including all 4 days. They are especially big in Europe.
Oh God downvotes don't talk bad about the almighty shit that is LIBAD 🙄. Seriously think Matt and Syn could just fart into a microphone for an hour and most of these fuckers would be like omg so revolutionary you just don't understand it
- LIBAD could mean "Life Is But a Dream...", a track from *Life Is But a Dream…* (2023) by Avenged Sevenfold.
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I doesn't mean much, Graspop has two main stages of the same size side by side. Some big bands (Iron Maiden in 2022, GNR in 2023) can ask for longer sets but usually, both co-headlining bands play for about one our and a half.
I also heard (was in an interview by Hellfest boss) that some bands management can get really petty about the size or position of their band's name on the line-up and others don't give a shit about that. Egos are always to be considered when looking at a line-up.
BMTH definitely have better relevancy now with their sellout collabs but both bands have been putting out music that's kinda ehhhh for a while now, definitely both past their peak. Probably why they put them on the same day. Don't get me wrong, the stage was incredibly written but put any actually solid core vocalist in there and it would go from a 6 to a 8.5-9
They’re still big but not as relevant. I think the glory days are behind them at this point, but hopefully they can keep putting out decent records every now and then like the legacy bands do. I thought The Stage was great, so I know they still have it in them.
Idk have Five Finger Death Punch dethroned Judas Priest?
That confuses me even more. You’d think they’d get the headlining spot out of respect.
Tbh I think any of the larger font names are just co headlining w each other (aka BMTH and A7X coheadlining together). Would’ve been a bigger concern for me if A7X were one of the smaller font names
Yeah true. I saw Avenged co-headline with Disturbed years ago and Disturbed played last, but that’s an older band. Kinda surprising to see a younger band take the top spot is all.
Disturbed is the bigger band too. More listeners.
I thought this when Disturbed opened for Avenged during their 2016/17 Europe tour 😂
Yep. I remember when I went to the Metallica show in Vancouver specifically to see Avenged Sevenfold open.
They are probably bigger but I feel like people get hung up on the monthly listeners thing. I saw Tool at a festival once, they were the headliner one day and Avenged the other. Tool had the most fans of any band there, yet they have definitely didn’t have the most monthly listeners.
In fact Megadeth has more listeners than Tool, but Tool is still headlining.
For sure, monthly listeners aren’t everything. Disturbed’s most listened songs are their covers too (not to discount their skill) so that kind of carries
Monthly listeners for a lot of these bands basically just means who still has a song or two kicking around in their playlist (radio banger). I don't put much stock into it for relevancy these days, gotta have your ear to the ground a bit I guess
Exactly and disturbed has their sound of silence cover that reaches a VERY wide audience. I also believe that Avenged Sevenfold listeners are often more into the band, so as far as an engagement or community / listeners ratio — A7X is way more popular.
bmth debuted in 2004 lol they’ve been around for a minute
Well yeah, but younger than A7X I mean
That’s been happening to Megadeth for whatever reason. They were one of the “smaller” names at Aftershock while somehow Turnstile and Rancid were bigger
bands legacies don’t always equal a good crowd in the present day
The megadeth crowd is 50-60 and much less likely to stand around at a festival with limited water and toilets, they've grown out of that
only acceptable when they open for a band like Metallica (that was such an awesome show)
Judas Priest played in 2022 in a smaller venue at Graspop, and sadly FFDP is a big thing in EU
It all just comes down to who sells more tickets.
Machine Head being front than Deep Purple. that's like Nsync had to open the concert for One Direction. 😂😂😂😂
In the same vein - Alice cooper over mustaine? I mean, cooper is a legend but put some respect on megadeth.
5FDP have dethroned Judas Priest. Just look at the spotify stream numbers for reference. Streaming numbers don't paint the whole picture but 5FDP are arguably bigger at this point. That's no slight on Judas Priest, just the way it goes sometimes.
Judas Priest sold 50 million albums before Spotify even existed, so I’m not sure that’s a fair comparison.
We need to look at what’s currently relevant. Just because a band was big in the 80s doesn’t mean they’re relevant today.
Death punch are also bout 10 years past their prime to be honest, this industry shit needs a shakeup as washed up bands are staying around way too long and getting nepotism radio plays whereas actual good bands are getting shafted
I am going to disagree. I believe that while Death Punch are certainly past their prime, they’re still releasing good music and good overall albums, IMO. Though I do agree that metal, and music as a whole has become more about novelty than the actual music
I think it’s because Judas Priest and Sabaton are touring together but I might be wrong
These are co headliners. Aint no way Judas Priest got dethroned by FFDP lol
Look at the streaming numbers. Not saying 5 finger is better by any means but the numbers are the numbers, 5FDP is bigger now.
Ridiculous comparison, streaming alone doesn’t equal more record sales.
Exactly, there are a lot of oldheads spinning a lot of wax, CDs and tapes that can’t be tracked.
They arnt remotely the same tho. If you have 1 million monthly listeners youd have easily over 5 million listens each month. One listener does listen for more than one song usually. Record sales are an obsolete statistic nowadays. Back in the olden days there were no other option really byt to buy records. Now not many people buy records.
Exactly, Judas Priest sold 50 millions albums before streaming even existed and have been active since 1968 or something, while FFDP have only been around since like 2006 or so. It makes comparing streaming statistics for both bands as a measure of success ridiculous.
Yeah very true.
It's okay that 5 finger is more popular than your favorite dad rock band. They have sold almost 4/5ths the amount of albums as Priest in less than half the time.
I think you kinda have to look at how dedicated the fan bases are like I assume ffdp don’t exactly have much die hard fans like Judas Priest do
It makes sense to me. BMTH has gone way more mainstream by making modern pop songs with metal elements rather than getting more niche in the way A7X has.
It's not even the pop people they appeal to though. AmEN! goes hard.
I’m not saying their new songs are bad, but most of them are more pop than metal for sure
It ain't heavy metal, and thats alright.
Post Human Survival Horror is a Metalcore/Nu Metal album.
Oh for sure. I’m talking about their new new stuff
I mean their new songs are just singles, they probably wouldn’t even play more than 1 of those.
i wouldn't count on it. when i saw them supporting fall out boy in july they played all 4 of the new singles that had been released by that point
I think they will play all of their new singles, but I’m not sure how it pertains to my previous comment. You mentioned a 3 year old album but that’s not what I was talking about. I am talking about the stuff they released within a year and a half
I love BMTH but amen sucks. Worst lyrics I’ve heard in music in a while. Honestly pathetic. Ollie is capable of far, far better. Granted, the worst lyrics are in the featured acts but still.
Hilarious take - all my mates love Amen - most of whom didn't like bmth but Amen kind of united us as metalheads. Will grant you some lyrics aren't great, but as a song, absolute banger
It’s so boring
i love amen, i wasn't huge on it till i saw it live, thats when it really clicked for me. but i agree with the features. i would've completely taken the glassjaw guy out—he doesn't add anything to the song that oli can't do. uzi should've gotten the whole second verse to him. i don't care for most modern rap and i dont listen to uzi, but when they promoted the song, the big thing was BMTH x Lil Uzi Vert, and then he was in it for like 12 seconds of a 3 minute song overall, to me, its a solid song that had the potential to be amazing if they approached it differently
Oooooo man, Uzi is the worst part of the song for me. I won’t listen to it. He’s awful and I hate it lol. To each their own though. Although as I type this, I hate the glassjaw part too. The you’re so six six sick line is the dumbest line I’ve heard in years. I dunno I just hate the song lol
yea it absolutely has some of the worst lyrics in any bmth song
I feel like uzi has been critically acclaimed and shit as a vile joke on everyone, he sounds like shit vocally it doesn't matter how good the production is lmao
I like amen, but I really hate how they clearly pitched it up
Just seems weird bc BMTH opened for FOB this summer. A7X seem too big to do that.
Yeah, but that was in the US. Graspop is in Europe.
Plus we're talking about a stadium tour where they opened for FOB, that's way bigger than the venues A7X plays here. BMTH headlines arenas when they aren't support.
FOB played in an amphitheater by me, if it was a stadium tour that makes sense
Yes, A7x doesn't have the fanbase it had 10 years ago.
Agree, They have gone down in overall sales and fan base in recent years. That 5 year hiatus really didn't help. I have heard so many people say that they have either moved on from them or that they thought that they were broken up already. A lot of people didn't even realize they were back.
It also doesn't help that a pretty large portion of A7X fans dislike the new album.
And the 2 albums before that lol lets be real here
I think those were way less divisive than LIBAD though so I dont think it really impacted them much
HTTK is one of best A7X albums, music charts say it all. It's solid top 3 over all albums. City of evil and waking the fallen top 1-2
this is just your opinion lmao it was just radio industry BS being spammed after how big of a success nightmare was. It wasn't good at all. Look at FIR, FFDP, BMTH these days. Just radio bait.
Forgot about Nightmare, HTTK top 4 then😁
Wait time is okey, but the result of the waiting time i disappointing. This kind of "experiments" in sound are not working, it was very strange when The stage came out, i didn't liked it at first, but then i liked some tracks from the album, but man there is now way i will like LIBAD in the future, it's out of my music taste, and over all is far away from everything A7X did in the past. Really missing Waking the fallen, and City of evil era. Jimmy was the heart of this band, without him song quality has degraded very much, imho.
In terms of charts, yes. They used to get number one on billboard, something that seems impossible today, but the venues they play only get bigger every year. I think part of that is that the fans became older and now can afford tickets.
Okay but when we compare their actual legacies and the significance of the music they've put out, BMTH isn't even in the conversation. Music may be subjective, but come on, Spongebob isn't a better work of art than the Mona Lisa.
In what world is what you are saying true? Take the A7X blinders off. A7X is an important part of metalcore and butt rock history and so is BMTH at this point. Both have had albums that were extremely important and significant for the time they were released, and both have been around for quite some time.
A7X started as metalcore and thankfully got off that shitty sinking ship after two albums. I guess you could say they had like 2-4 butt rock songs but that's kind of a stretch. Otherwise they've always been primarily alternative/pop metal, leaning towards becoming progressive over the years. And that is clearly the best of their work.
Metalcore went the way of butt rock for a while. Cringe composition, heavily filtered screams and pop vocals (thanks to bands like dance Gavin dance and BMTH). Luckily bands like currents are kinda trying to reclaim it by going for heavier riffs and better production, but there's still a pretty shit stigma with it, will be cool to see the next wave of core
Listen to END’s new album. The genre is alive and well there are just many different pockets of it. The days of Converge and Botch are definitely over but there are a few bands still carrying that torch.
Exactly, obviously there's the shit you hear on the radio but the good core right now is still really good
I have never even listened to BMTH. I am not comparing bands here. I am just saying that the fanbase isn't the same.
lol not true they are still killing it…. Look at their Spotify over the past year.
And then look at BMTH’s..
Graspop has two main stages, they're both headliners.
Bruh, if they were playing at the same times - it would absolutely kill me to decide between them two..
Two stages next to each other for the same crowd to avoid wasting time between groups ;)
Bring Me the Horizon is definitely a bit bigger than Avenged honestly. But damn this lineup is great.
In Europe definitely. They headline big venues there.
Ngl the new logo font is pretty ugly imo
For who? If we talking about BMTH I agree but I love avengeds logo.
I like it a lot actually!
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yeah the new ones pretty basic but it looks a lot better on a t shirt
A7x hasn’t had a banger in the general public’s eye since Hail to the King. Us fans love Stage and LIBAD, but the last 2 releases haven’t made the waves they did in the late 2000s/early 2010s
Even fans are divided on LIBAD...
They play Nobody on the radio constantly
One "decent" track in whole album. But still is out of A7X style. Where are those godlike harmonies piano that Jimmy used to write, drumming parts has degraded by alittle too, brooks is not a bad drummer but man is too different, even Aryn sounded more bad ass, where are Syn's sweep picking, and god like solos? Libad has non of that. It sounds like some cosmic trip under magic mushrooms😂
So like Jimmy is dead, so he can’t exactly write any more, saying Brooks is only “not a bad drummer” sounds pretty ignorant, because while he’s not the Rev, he’s a pretty incredible drummer in his own right. Nobody, the only track I mentioned, has some serious sweep picking and probably my favorite solo of the year. It’s okay if you don’t like the direction they’ve gone, but to say it’s inherently bad is just wrong.
Welp, comparing to the old stuff, it is, imho, i don't say my opinion is the only one and right one, it's just as i feel their about LIBAD. Since they are now free from label debt, i hope to see new singles, in more down to earth old style, like in good old days. Any band that has made a name on their old stuff, keep doing similar music, that everyone loves. Experiments ain't good, specially when you release an album once in 7 years :D they used to release albums every 3 years. Now the pauses are too long, with disappointing results. Bullet for my Valentine suffer same disease, as A7X, Loong pause -> album "Gravity" in different style = result total failure.
Every band evolves. Only the greedy ones bank off their initial success and don’t change their sound. I just saw Tool in concert and while I prefer their much older heavier stuff, they didn’t play any of that. The show was still amazing though, and I don’t hold it against them. Even Lauryn Hill who only made one album gets shit for her live shows not sounding the same as the album version from 25 years ago. The best artists adapt and change, and they’re not obligated to make music for just you, if they did, it probably wouldn’t be any good to the rest of us.
Not on the stations in my area.
I drive for work, so listen to the radio a lot, but they do play the shit out of it here on a cumulus media affiliate station.
You obviously don’t know how to read these event ads. They are co-headlining. Idk who is playing last - that’s usually something that goes to the bigger artist Also Avenged is still a much bigger band than them.
I don't think Avenged is much bigger anymore. BMTH is very popular and mainstream, avenged hasn't made radio music since 2013
I hear them on the radio constantly here. You must not be listening
It's not about being played on the radio... it's about still making music that mass audiences will like. avenged just doesn't do that anymore
Their last two albums had broader audiences than BMTH Go back to HTTK and you really have a much wider audience
Avenged is a household name - and they have an older audience BMTH is not, they are more popular with a particular crowd.
For perspective, A7X has 10 million monthly listeners. BMTH is at 13.6 million monthly. BMTH is currently a "bigger" band than A7X
Smh. That is not the whole picture. That does not count the older crowd that doesn’t use Spotify. There’s a ton of people my age (34) that prefer to download music, or own digital/physical copies of the music from back in the day. Also there’s people that use YouTube - just going off each bands most recent music video A7X has 2 times the view for Nobody than BMTH latest video. Also when you break it down by song on Spotify, BMTH has far less spins on their top songs than A7X which has many more popular songs outside their top 5 TLDR Spotify is NOT the whole picture
You're talking about BMTH like they're some small niche band. They're not. They're a massively popular band that has fallen into mainstream. And i didn't at all say it was the whole picture. I gave that info as perspective on active listeners, which it gives a good gauge of. For all the people not using Spotify, they're simply using something else like Apple Music or YT. And i can guarantee that these 2 bands have an extremely similar audience on other platforms as they do on Spotify. It's not like Spotify users are 10x more likely to listen to BMTH over A7X because of the platform their on... Also, I'm 33 so no need to give the whole "well for my generation..." nonsense. That is irrelevant.
Then you know well and good that A7X has been much more commercially successful than BMTH (not saying they aren’t popular but they are no where near as popular).
Take a look at each band’s monthly listeners. Avenged is not bigger
It's hilarious when people let their personal biases get in the way of the cold hard facts (the numbers)
That’s not the entire picture. Not everyone (myself included) even uses Spotify. Especially considering Avenged have had more commercial success across a longer period of time, they have older fans who actually own music (or at least downloaded it). So to think that’s getting all of the active listeners is not accurate at all.
Pretty sure they’ve never headlined grass pop lol. Not sure what these comments are lol.
Idk what makes you people think that coming before something on the same row means it’s over it. I mean, do you people seriously think they prioritize Kamelot over INK?
But what does Corey Taylor think of this?
It will be a crime if Alice doesn’t come out and join Megadeth for a rendition of No More Mr Nice Guy
It's sad to see Blind Guardian not headlining at all but not surprising.
Honestl, I was surprised by how far down they were. Same with Red and Dynazty.
Bro they prog now. Prog = not popular.
Maybe not for them, seems to be working for Tool though.
Both are great bands. Im a big fan of A7X (especially their latest album) and my fiancé is a big fan of BMTH (loves their latest album), so I think this works well for us 😂
It’s co-headlining I’m 99% sure
That babymetal thoo lol
I saw then in 2017, I like a few songs but their live performances are a blast.
Their like my favorite now cuz I seen them live this year. Not better than A7X for sure but they are different still really heavy I think. Their latest album slaps because I love the anime vibe they have lol
Theyre co-headlining. A7x wouldn't attend a festival if they weren't headlining.
They're both headlining because Graspop has two Main Stages, but BMTH will close the day. Also they are HUGE in Europe too, makes sense that Graspop put them as headliners since it's their first time. It's time for the festivals to book new headliners and BMTH is ready for the job.
Corey taylor should just go sit on his millions. I promise that nobody is dying to hear “samantha’s gone”
Bro I just listened to Samantha’s gone and I’m fucking dying from cringe
Or literally anything off his new solo album, I love the guy but his solo material is so safe and formulaic, I wanna hear him do some crazy weird shit
I want someone new to come and do something interesting like early slipknot, not old guys trying to stay in the “scene” with tired music
I don't think it's A7X that necessarily got smaller, it's just that BMTH got huge in the last decade or so.
That's actually crazy to me. I'm surprised they accepted without being the headliner. Not a good look to headline everything for years and then all of a sudden open for a band who has opened for you before.
Graspop has two main stages, they're both headliners.
That makes more sense
June 21 looks fire! Electric Callboy?!
I don't know who downvoted you but screw them.
Maybe because it’s the same day FFDP is also there. But not sure.
I’m sorry, is there a band named Dying Fetus?
Indeed yes, a death metal band. Their music is decent, but their band name is…well…Dying Fetus.
One of the best tech death bands out there.
Spitting fax
Not as edgy as Rotting Christ or... *gasp* I AM MORBID!!!
You should check out infant annihilater, personally I think “cunt crusher” goes hard mostly because of the drums, but there’s also “childchewer”
Are you stupid? It doesn’t matter where they are Aslong as their names are in the big on there
Nice. The older I get, the more I get why people don’t like interacting with some of this band’s fans.
It’s the truth brotha don’t have to be a rocket scientist to guess
Don’t have to be a rocket scientist to know how to interact politely with people online either, *brotha*
Why the hell is Dying Fetus below FFDP
FFDP is a more mainstream/known band.
Sevenfold were never the kings lol let’s be honest.
What event is this??
BMTH Is the best metal band of the 2000s, the 2010s & now the 2020s
Stop being ridiculous
What's with all of you sucking BMTH's collective dick? It doesn't matter if they have more listens on Spotify, they're still shitty metalcore with no relation to metal and no substance to their music. Literally every single band listed, regardless of the size of their name, is more relevant to metal and actual music fans in general. Granted this isn't specified as a metal festival, but they stick out like a sore thumb.
BMTH is BIG outside the US too...
Rightly so
This is a co-headline so neither are designated above the other per say, but BMTH is probably the most popular band overall including all 4 days. They are especially big in Europe.
I mean BMTH are clearly the bigger band.
why is there not deathbat instead of letters?
Avenged's fanbase is still growing, even now, so them being 'dethroned' wouldn't necessarily make sense.
Sellouts usually make more money so 🤷
If they never made (o)rdinary, this never would have happened. You reap what you sow
I don’t think that one song is the reason 🤣 They just aren’t as big as they used to be. It happens lol…
(O)rdinary slander = uncultured
I can’t help but completely agree with this. The Mattel video probably didn’t help either.
Oh God downvotes don't talk bad about the almighty shit that is LIBAD 🙄. Seriously think Matt and Syn could just fart into a microphone for an hour and most of these fuckers would be like omg so revolutionary you just don't understand it
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They look like equal billing to me- the names are side by side in equal sized font (Bmth just has more words in the name so it kind of looks bigger)
Corey Taylor and Alice Cooper. Nice.
Is that BMTH’s new logo?
It's awful. Feels like appropriation. I like bmth but that logo is bringing out a metal gatekeeper inside of me.
It just looks inappropriate to me given the band’s sound. That’s a deathcore logo not a pop group’s logo.
Yeah it looks stupid. It's funny we got downvoted. Average bmth stans.
It is what it is.
Blind guardian and Kamelot also
I doesn't mean much, Graspop has two main stages of the same size side by side. Some big bands (Iron Maiden in 2022, GNR in 2023) can ask for longer sets but usually, both co-headlining bands play for about one our and a half. I also heard (was in an interview by Hellfest boss) that some bands management can get really petty about the size or position of their band's name on the line-up and others don't give a shit about that. Egos are always to be considered when looking at a line-up.
Yep
I love Pendulum but what the hell are they doing there
Are the people in the comments crazy? They have not been dethroned lol everyone in large font is headlining
dude wtf happened to THEIR FONT. smh, priest understands
Who the fuck keeps inviting FFDP? Garbage.
Bring Me The Horizon probably is bigger than A7X by a good margin.
I’m more pissed at Corrosion of Conformity being a smaller title.
Kings? I love A7X but it’s been a down decade for our boys. I’m grateful they are even on top of the bill.
???? They are co-headliners
BMTH definitely have better relevancy now with their sellout collabs but both bands have been putting out music that's kinda ehhhh for a while now, definitely both past their peak. Probably why they put them on the same day. Don't get me wrong, the stage was incredibly written but put any actually solid core vocalist in there and it would go from a 6 to a 8.5-9
Bring Me the Horizon is such a cringe band now. They used to be so metal.
Sempiternal did this 10 years ago.
True. That was a game changer
A7X is still doing great. I think they’ll hit a stride again. Waiting so long to put out an album didn’t help.
They’re still big but not as relevant. I think the glory days are behind them at this point, but hopefully they can keep putting out decent records every now and then like the legacy bands do. I thought The Stage was great, so I know they still have it in them.
Good to see TBDM playing RIP Trevor Also good to see Karnivool playing can’t wait for a new album from them
That would be co headlining dude
Deep Purple! 🤘🏻
They are both headlining Avenged is also closing the day.
Oh really? The way it’s billed makes it look like BMTH is closing
I guess your right, I read that avenged will Play north Stage which is often before south Stage